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[六道仙人]

guys, surely you're pretty moody...

just calm down, I know that this chapter was an asspull and most of all you have lost faith in Kishimoto, I can understand that... But don't think that this will put some bad thing for NS. We don' still what kind of plans are inside of kishimoto's head.
Honestly sometime he floors me but he's still predicable. This chapter regards only Sasuke and his development, not any pairing craps.

Karin acting like a fangirl doesn't implies the fact that also Sakura will act so. Sakura is different from Karin and you should know this.

[dragonflyx11]

Part I Sakura didn't fangirl over Sasuke who had planned mass genocide.

Because in your opinion Naruto isn't as clever as he is when he is around Sasuke, Sakura will fangirl? Sorry, but I think you're just making jumps with your assumptions.

You spelt than wrong.

really using grammar? i meant they were both comedic relief (naruto does something stupid and sakura hits him, after that she fangirls over sasuke) same thing with karin,suigetsu and sasuke. i am not assuming at all, i am just using my past experience with the manga to make a hypothesis.

[kirabook]

I have plenty of Naruto mechandise, my proudest object being a metal lunchbox of Team 7 back in part 1. What I spend my money on has nothing to do with it.

If I see fit, I will criticize Kishi for going against his own writing. I saw a problem with Twilight, I criticize it. I see huge problems with the wrongful continuation of one of my favorite book series Mortal Instruments, and I criticize.

I hate to see something I love going bad and I won't just sit back and take it because the author can do no wrong. He built a story, now he's ruining it.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Sometimes I wonder if these people who make these assumptions are ss shippers. The amount if faith they have in this pairing is astounding. Still, I don't think somehow a bad chapter justifies Sakura mockery.

Naw, Sakura's always been a target for mockery, starting from her sad beginnings as "that annoying b-word who keeps beating up Naruto," to her recent lack of action scenes. She's fodder for mockery, and it's sad.

[luffyq1]

Some people just don't get it. If something as repulsive as this can happen, then that just means anything goes from now on.

[sushi.]

How long will they take to get there?

A while. We may shift back to Yamato or the dead Kages. The..other dead kages. XD

Remember how long it took for the alliance to get there?

[shadow_Uzumaki]

A while. We may shift back to Yamato or the dead Kages. The..other dead kages. XD

Remember how long it took for the alliance to get there?

You know what this calls for? A fiiiilllleeeerrr!

Or maybe more story telling from the Four Hokages to Ickle Sasuke-kun!

And then they get there.


Speaking of Yamato.... Poor dude still stuck inside an eldritch, gigantic, wooden statue of an ancient, demonic entity of destruction, ain't he?

[TouKen4Life3g]

guys, surely you're pretty moody...

just calm down, I know that this chapter was an asspull and most of all you have lost faith in Kishimoto, I can understand that... But don't think that this will put some bad thing for NS. We don' still what kind of plans are inside of kishimoto's head.
Honestly sometime he floors me but he's still predicable. This chapter regards only Sasuke and his development, not any pairing craps.

Karin acting like a fangirl doesn't implies the fact that also Sakura will act so. Sakura is different from Karin and you should know this.

It's good to know that you're still around. I guess you got the right understanding. The problem is that people tends to use the latest moment for the future reference. Karin is different from Sakura and she does have that crazy obsession. That's already given. Look, we don't know if this will keep up for a long time. For all we know, Sasuke still may need saving later. Besides, if it's like this, Sasuke x ??? won't happen at all if everyone is back to square one. Just don't get carry away. While I don't blame you guys about being upset, don't tried to judge this moment for the upcoming chapters.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 10 April 2013 - 07:08 PM.

[六道仙人]

It's good to know that you're still around. I guess you got the right understanding. The problem is that people tends to use the latest moment for the future reference. Karin is different from Sakura and she does have that crazy obsession. That's already given. Look, we don't know if this will keep up for a long time. For all we need, Sasuke still may need saving later. Besides, if it's like this, Sasuke x ??? won't happen at all if everyone is back to square one. Just don't get carry away. While I don't blame you guys about being upset, don't tried to judge this moment for the upcoming chapters.

Simply Sasuke doesn't have any romantic interest.

[sushi.]

It's good to know that you're still around. I guess you got the right understanding. The problem is that people tends to use the latest moment for the future reference. Karin is different from Sakura and she does have that crazy obsession. That's already given. Look, we don't know if this will keep up for a long time. For all we need, Sasuke still may need saving later. Besides, if it's like this, Sasuke x ??? won't happen at all if everyone is back to square one. Just don't get carry away. While I don't blame you guys about being upset, don't tried to judge this moment for the upcoming chapters.

What I fear is not that Sakura will fangirl over Sasuke. It's that it's still likely that she'll say "I'll let Naruto deal with Sasuke-kun", and be a crying witness.

Anyhow, I fear that the phasing will be slow again next chapter. Kishi's phasing is either way too fast or way too slow. Either that or something epic will happen.

[Nefertieh]

really using grammar? i meant they were both comedic relief (naruto does something stupid and sakura hits him, after that she fangirls over sasuke) same thing with karin,suigetsu and sasuke. i am not assuming at all, i am just using my past experience with the manga to make a hypothesis.

The dynamic between Naruto and Sakura is different from Sasuke and the team. You realise that, right? People change, and I'm sure if you found out your crush planned othe deaths of every living person in your town, you'd treat them differently as well.

A hypothesis is a scientific assumption. Unfortunately I can't see any science, so I can say you're making an assumption.

Then and than are different words with different meanings and pronuncitations.

Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[lord287]

Simply Sasuke doesn't have any romantic interest.

He doesnt but what I have seen from this chapter he will develop interest in sakura in very end and they will live happily evr after go SS!!Go NH!!

kittenK all the development NS HAD!! YAY KISHI U DID GR8!!

[dragonflyx11]

some people are not mad cause they think this chp means WTF THIS MAKES SS CANON OMG WTF BBQ!!!! some of us are mad because this chapter is horribly rushed and feels like kishi may of been sleep writing, or high? or maybe a combination of borh

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Simply Sasuke doesn't have any romantic interest.

Pfft, you're wrong! I ship SasukexRevenge! His one, true love.


All joking aside, yeah, I really do ship SasukexRevenge.

It's the same as Mace WinduxCoruscant. No, seriously, read the Revenge of the Sith novelized version. It's actually better than the movie, but I totally laughed when I read
(paraphrased) "Mace Windu does have a true love. He loves Coruscant...." or something like that.

[Nefertieh]

Naw, Sakura's always been a target for mockery, starting from her sad beginnings as "that annoying b-word who keeps beating up Naruto," to her recent lack of action scenes. She's fodder for mockery, and it's sad.

But surely fans have enough respect and maturity or the character to mock her?

[narusakuluv]

Sasuke stabbed Karin and then told Sakura to kill her because she was worthless to him. If she went back to him in real life, she would be classified as an abused woman. Having her forgive him sends a bad message to kids everywhere. Judging by the way he has consistently sidelined female characters since the beginning of part 2, I know Kishi's probably not thinking of the girls reading this (I don't think the realize how large a part of his fanbase they are). However what kind of message does this send to the young boys? That if you are a cool guy its okay to betray girls who are completely devoted to you, so long as you apologize to them?
We can say things like "oh, Karin's a mess, she's always been a mess" but will the younger kids be thinking that? This is a manga that has always been for adolescent boys, no matter how much teens, adults and girls enjoy it. Its like Harry Potter. And therefore like JK Rowling Kishi has to be careful of the subliminal messages he's sending. The reason so many people are disappointed with him on this point is because it feels like he's treating a very delicate subject carelessly.
As far as Sasuke turning good goes, I'm dubious about that sticking or even being real at all. In fact, my first impression when I read it was that Kishi was trying to pull a fast one on us, but it was so out of left field no one was going to believe it.
Oh, how I was wrong.
Not only do plenty of people believe it, there are many people on the forums who are glad this happened. They are calling it an "epic chapter" and "the best chapter." I can only hope these are the aforementioned twelve year old boys coming to this conclusion.
Logically, I doesn't make any sense. Forget all the hints about an epic Sasuke and Naruto confrontation, I'm a writer who has studied plot extensively and having Sasuke turn suddenly good wouldn't make any sense for the plot. Right now, we've got two definite bad guys: Obito and Madara. Meanwhile on the side of good we have the entire shinobi world, including Naruto, who is supposed to be the greatest shinobi since the First Hokage. For some reason I can't fully comprehend, this is an even fight. (So much for the new generation surpassing the previous). But since Madara is the grand-daddy of all Uchiha and the greatest supervillain in Naruto history, and Tobi is his protege, I'll buy it sort of.
Now for a finale, Naruto needs an opponent who is as great as him, who no one else can fight, to fight on his own. So lets say he gets either Obito or Madara. That leaves the other one to face the entire shinobi world, which is a battle they will hopefully lose (if not, see this TvTropes page). Suspending my disbelief, let's just say this is a difficult battle, worthy of being the final fight of the series, but our heroes pull through. It is a decent ending, but not worthy of a story of this scale. There needs to be a moment, a crisis, where all hope is lost and it genuinely looks like the hero will not pull through. The odds need to be turned against the hero, all hope needs to be lost and then the hero does something incredible and miraculously wins the fight. And honestly, this is a pattern that Kishimoto follows pretty consistently for Naruto's fights.
So let's say Sasuke comes along with Orochimaru and his merry band of Hokages. And they join the entire shinobi world against Madara and Obito. The First is supposed to be as strong as Madara. So what, its Naruto, Sasuke, Orochimaru, three Hokages and the entire shinobi world against Obito now??? At least when Kabuto was around there were zombies to keep the entire shinobi world occupied.
Something's going to shift in the favor of evil and my bet is that Sasuke and/or Orochimaru are not suddenly all good and buddy-buddy with Konoha. The First is out of Orochimaru's control and could probably kill them all. So why not bring him to the battlefield where Madara can occupy his attention? I can see it in my head easily: "Oh look, Sasuke and Orochimaru are good and brought us zombie Hokages as presents how thoughtful - WHY IS THE FOURTH TRYING TO KILL KAKASHI???"
It makes sense. Evil gets Sasuke, Orochimaru, and the three zombie Hokages while Good gets the First Hokage. Its enough to tip the scales in the favor of Evil but with the addition First Hokage who can fight against the biggest threat (Madara), the odds aren't impossible.
Naruto is about underdogs. If Orochimaru and Sasuke joined the side of good, Madara and Obito would be extreme underdogs.
Even if they aren't tricking the First so they can get to the battlefield, something more is going on. Look beneath the underneath.
p.s. Why don't we have a Kakashi emoticon?

[Slextrem]

How about I make you deal. You have faith in Kishi that Orochimaru has something up his sleeve and just hang in there. And if it turns out im wrong, I will write a dialoge that makes fun of Kishi, NS and me. Agreed. You followed the story since you were 14? Good. Now hang on to the good times and you will get trough this.

Why cant we just trust in Kishi that he knows what he`s doing. This is Kishi the man who created NaruSaku. Have some faith people.

Sure, I could see the old Orochimaru scheming something behind everyone's back, but this is an entirely different character than the one that I remember. He was pouting to the Third, his sensei that he killed, about the fact that he wasn't selected as a candidate for Hokage. That's not Orochimaru.

Can somebody explain to me why some people think that:

• Sakura can only love someone else aside Sasuke only if Sasuke was evil?
• Karin fangirling automatically means Sakura will too?

The mockery and immaturity in this thread is worse than Sakura's fangirling and the SS scene, which didn't happen.

Most of the people here were expecting more out of Karin. She was a lot closer to Sasuke than Sakura was and she got it much worse than Sakura did during the Summit Arc. I was expecting their confrontation to be taken much more seriously than it was. I was expecting Karin to want a fight, for a divide to happen between Team Taka, for Sasuke to take responsibility for his actions. Karin didn't even get a serious apology from Sasuke and she was over it and clinging to him in no time at all. #Chris Brown 2.0

If Kishimoto was willing to do that to Karin, how can I expect Sakura's reunion to be any different? I don't think Sakura's going to fangirl all over Sasuke like Karin did, but I can easily see her forgiving him entirely for everything that he's done to her, the village, and Naruto in the past. I can also just as easily see that old crush of her's resurfacing, which in my eyes has never done any good for her character.

Do I think this will make her lose whatever feelings she has for Naruto at this point? No, but I do feel that whatever development that is to come between her and Sasuke will dampen my feelings for NaruSaku entirely. I don't want a sloppy canon OTP.

I also don't want to see her moment come because of Sasuke's arrival. I was hoping to see more development for her that doesn't have to do with pairings. I wanted to see her fighting because she wants to protect what's important to her, not waiting until Sasuke shows up to do something significant. And I can guarantee that if Sasuke enters this battle, Sakura is going to be sidelined once again, (after she's done playing her role as pairing fodder, of course). I thought that she would get an opportunity to have her "shining moment" once we returned to the Alliance fight, but with Sasuke and the Hokages on their way, there's no chance of that happening.

Kishimoto loves Sasuke too much to let Sakura stand out on her own while he's around.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Simply Sasuke doesn't have any romantic interest.

Pretty much.

What I fear is not that Sakura will fangirl over Sasuke. It's that it's still likely that she'll say "I'll let Naruto deal with Sasuke-kun", and be a crying witness.

Anyhow, I fear that the phasing will be slow again next chapter. Kishi's phasing is either way too fast or way too slow. Either that or something epic will happen.

I understand. I feel like Kishi may be in fact tricking us. Again, it feels too easy. I feel that something may happen. You said it will take them a while to get there, right? Anything can happen and for all we know, the battle can end though Madara may leave elsewhere. Not saying he retreats or anything, but something can happen.

He doesnt but what I have seen from this chapter he will develop interest in sakura in very end and they will live happily evr after go SS!!Go NH!!

kittenK all the development NS HAD!! YAY KISHI U DID GR8!!

Calm down. I can understand about being upset with this chapter, but jumping conclusion for well conclusions is not needed.

[HauntedCake]

Why should she put faith in Kishi to do anythign right after all he's messed up in 1 chapter? In 1 chapter he's destroyed 300 or so chapters and development. (leading up to NvS)

Time after time,
"It's ok, have faith. Kishi will fix it."
"Don't worry, it'll all make sense later."
"Stop panicking, you're thinking about it too much. Kishi would never mess up like that."
"Stop bashing Kishi, you just don't trust him."

No, I don't trust Kishi to do anything right, for sure now. First Sakura -pretty much stunting her development that isn't about pairings-, then Naruto -never any arcs or ANYTHING involving him wanting to know about his family or the past and STILL chasing after Sasuke when it's hopeless-, Sasuke -self explanatory- and with that the entire plot.

What will have to happen now for you to understand that Kishi is not an invincible mangaka and he's ruining his plot?

Yep, i refuse to put any faith into kishi anymore. He's betrayed me for long enough.

Simply Sasuke doesn't have any romantic interest.

Someone called for an ASSPULL???

[Nefertieh]

Some people just don't get it. If something as repulsive as this can happen, then that just means anything goes from now on.

Anything goes, but half the people here are just imagining SS? I would assume people would be more optimistic if they really believed 'anything goes.' But no, every time Sasuke appears, SS hysteria follows.

It's good to know that you're still around. I guess you got the right understanding. The problem is that people tends to use the latest moment for the future reference. Karin is different from Sakura and she does have that crazy obsession. That's already given. Look, we don't know if this will keep up for a long time. For all we need, Sasuke still may need saving later. Besides, if it's like this, Sasuke x ??? won't happen at all if everyone is back to square one. Just don't get carry away. While I don't blame you guys about being upset, don't tried to judge this moment for the upcoming chapters.

This.

some people are not mad cause they think this chp means WTF THIS MAKES SS CANON OMG WTF BBQ!!!! some of us are mad because this chapter is horribly rushed and feels like kishi may of been sleep writing, or high? or maybe a combination of borh

That's fine, I've been commenting about this since the second page. My comments are aimed at the people making SS prophecies and character bashing.

Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 07:07 PM.