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[Tokura Misaki]

It's like watching a movie.

[FoolishYoungling]

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I pushed the fact that holding hands like that is generally accepted as a romantic gesture, yes. I also pushed that, given the history of romantic feelings on Hinata's side of things, the gesture of hand-holding being initiated by Naruto can be seen as romantic, yes. I haven't pushed that on anyone; I've pushed the point that people should stop trying to say it can't be romantic despite the fact that I know if it was Naruto and Sakura, they'd be jumping up and down screaming it's romance.

But sure, let's agree to disagree.

I say that the handholding was romantic, but only for Hinata. Naruto had no strong feelings about holding her hand. Sense he didn't, it tells the reader that Naruto still only loves Sakura.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Whether in-manga it was considered a romantic moment or not, let me state the facts here:

-This is a cover of a Naruto manga volume
-On it, Naruto and Hinata are holding hands
-Naruto is not in his Kyuubi cloak, signifying the transfer of chakra; this is a contrast to what happened in the manga
-They are in the foreground of the cover

That's enough to aggravate me, at least.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 27 March 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Super Boom]

*Looks at cover image*

Come on, Kishi...I used to think you were cool!

Seriously though, weren't there more important things Kishi could have used for this cover image? Like...I dunno...NEJI? Obviously, the N/H thing was an important scene, but geez. It feels like Kishi's just taking any opportunity he can to throw pairing fanservice in our faces.

It's this sort of thing that makes me prefer Tite Kubo's style of using characters instead of scenes for his cover images.

Also, I wasn't surprised that we would have a NH cover this time. To be very honest, I don't really care about the manga anymore. Right now FT is at the top of my list followed by Bleach.

Heck yeah! I'm in the same boat. Though I might be more into Bleach at the moment, it's hard to say. Kubo and Hiro are both putting up valiant fights over my apparently valuable attention. Natsu going full force to defend Lucy the same week we learn of the reason behind Ichigo's Hollow Form?

Edited by Super Boom, 27 March 2013 - 02:32 AM.

[Grace]

I say that the handholding was romantic, but only for Hinata. Naruto had no strong feelings about holding her hand. Sense he didn't, it tells the reader that Naruto still only loves Sakura.

So because you personally don't think it was romantic for Naruto, it suddenly tells every reader that he loves only Sakura? How about: the fact that Kishimoto chose to depict Naruto initiating the hand-holding means something? He took the time to draw each step of it: Naruto reaching up to cup her hand while it was on his face, Naruto strengthening that grip and maintaining the hold while he stood, and how (once Hinata was also on her feet), he continued to hold her hand. This wasn't some random, minuscule panel that was lost in favor of other, more highlighted actions. This was something Kishi devoted a few pages to, and then chose to use as the focus of a manga cover. It's kind of important, whether it conflicts with or advances whatever pairing you support.

[merryGOflava]

I should be more worried...but I just can't help but find this whole pairing war is becoming a circle....XD LOL

and I guess we are next~

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sigh. Oh do hurry up, battlefield...Thank god I have Bioshock to help...

[CynMichi]

So because you personally don't think it was romantic for Naruto, it suddenly tells every reader that he loves only Sakura? How about: the fact that Kishimoto chose to depict Naruto initiating the hand-holding means something? He took the time to draw each step of it: Naruto reaching up to cup her hand while it was on his face, Naruto strengthening that grip and maintaining the hold while he stood, and how (once Hinata was also on her feet), he continued to hold her hand. This wasn't some random, minuscule panel that was lost in favor of other, more highlighted actions. This was something Kishi devoted a few pages to, and then chose to use as the focus of a manga cover. It's kind of important, whether it conflicts with or advances whatever pairing you support.

Open again to interpretation.......Neji just died and Naruto was in shock he took her hand and stood up yes but I didn't see him blissfully gaze into her eyes while "cupping her hand" come on! Now your really overly romanticizing it! He stood up because yes her speech gave him strength to fight again! Hinata obviously relished holding his hand and yes we get a panel dedicated to her romantic albeit ill timed inner thoughts but Naruto we have no idea what he's thinking. I'd HOPE hes focused on the war and not how soft and dainty Hinata's hand is while fantasizing what their children will look like. <sarcasm

Again though your not focused on arguing pairing ...

[Moriarty]

Sigh. Oh do hurry up, battlefield...Thank god I have Bioshock to help...

I call it friendly debate. Not really required to stay and read any of it.

What a lovely cover, don't you think? It definitely sends a lovely message of a strong bond that was created and the acceptance of intimacy.

[CynMichi]

Oh vey it's like banging your head against a brick wall ....when your finished the wall is still there and you walk away with a headache

On that note goodnight all I look forward to flashbacks ending tomorrow!

[merryGOflava]

I call it friendly debate. Not really required to stay and read any of it.

What a lovely cover, don't you think? It definitely sends a lovely message of a strong bond that was created and the acceptance of intimacy.

eeh To-may-to, To-maa-to XD

Edited by merryGOflava, 27 March 2013 - 03:02 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Oh vey it's like banging your head against a brick wall ....when your finished the wall is still there and you walk away with a headache

On that note goodnight all I look forward to flashbacks ending tomorrow!

I will definitely use this metaphor in the future. Brilliant.

[Grace]

Open again to interpretation.......Neji just died and Naruto was in shock he took her hand and stood up yes but I didn't see him blissfully gaze into her eyes while "cupping her hand" come on! Now your really overly romanticizing it! He stood up because yes her speech gave him strength to fight again! Hinata obviously relished holding his hand and yes we get a panel dedicated to her romantic albeit ill timed inner thoughts but Naruto we have no idea what he's thinking. I'd HOPE hes focused on the war and not how soft and dainty Hinata's hand is while fantasizing what their children will look like. <sarcasm

Again though your not focused on arguing pairing ...

Nope, I'm not arguing the pairings, I'm arguing the intent of the author and the implications of a physical gesture~

Oh my, did I say, "Blissfully gazed into her eyes"? Oh, nope, just double-checked. I said nothing of the sort; I said he cupped her hand because that's what he did. If you'd like to expand on the implications of that as being romantic and warranting "blissful gazing", be my guest~

I over-romanticized exactly what happened? I'm on fire tonight! Honestly, you're in need of going back and rereading those pages if you think I'm adding too much to what happened:

Chapter 615, page 18 --Click here to view--

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c615/18.html

He held her hand while it touched his face. He tightened his grip. He continued to hold her hand while he stood up, then while she stood up herself.

Oh yes, bad Hinata. How dare you think, "Naruto's hand is...so big...so manly...but most importantly...it makes me feel...safe!!!"--a thought that took you maybe all of five seconds to think--in the middle of a war when the guy you're in love with is holding your hand and giving you a sense of safety. Really, for shame e____e

[TouKen4Life3g]

I call it friendly debate. Not really required to stay and read any of it.

What a lovely cover, don't you think? It definitely sends a lovely message of a strong bond that was created and the acceptance of intimacy.

I do like the cover. I made a post before but yeah. Well my idea is about friendship and while yes romance can be shown in hand holding, there are couple of things to be well aware. First off, you only get 50% of romance and obviously it comes from Hinata. Naruto didn't show it. So it begs the question: where does it leads? If Naruto still loves Sakura, then this moment is now a bond of friendship. If he moves on, it's a bond of strong personal relationship, alas love. So yes, pretty much it's on the mercy of Naruto.

Lastly, Japan is known to show it in a level we can easily see romance, yet it's up to them to make it confirmation. It's about the atmosphere and how it was presented in the moment. Oddly enough, it didn't have that special background that screams "strong emotion inbound". Anyway, I stand by that the volume was in fact about friends' bond. Neji was like a sacrifice to let everyone know that they shouldn't stop and continue to move, which is why he's in the middle. Naruto and Hinata may be in question about romance, but again, Hinata got the Shikamaru effect in which she get the bigger focus in this volume, not to mention this most likely will close the whole Hyuuga situation, especially well, Neji is most likely going to get revive and no longer cursed, which can be the best possible ending, even though I don't want Pain 2.0 but what can you do.

Bottom line, one NS moment can just tell this moment a friendship bond alas friendzoned. It's only matter of time for NH to finally be a real possible pairing or a friendship that love can only exist in a fan fiction. Time is ticking.

[AzureWaters]

I should be more worried...but I just can't help but find this whole pairing war is becoming a circle....XD LOL

and I guess we are next~

Going off the pretense that he's giving something to every pairing and not actually focusing on the one he wants. Or is it only when he hits NaruSaku that there's no more trolling and playing around? And what determines that exactly?

[Moriarty]

Oh vey it's like banging your head against a brick wall ....when your finished the wall is still there and you walk away with a headache

On that note goodnight all I look forward to flashbacks ending tomorrow!

I think it's more like a brick wall keeps knocking into any opposing opinion. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

eeh To-may-to, To-maa-to XD

[merryGOflava]

Someone's touchy.

when I said "tomato tomato" I meant....what you think is romantic doesn't look romantic to me.

look the only reason your here is to brag, just get on with it.

(and usually I'm the happy one)

I'm just getting tired of naruhina fans coming to knock us down when we are feeling disappointed. anyone else?

Edited by merryGOflava, 27 March 2013 - 03:20 AM.

[Moriarty]

I do like the cover. I made a post before but yeah. Well my idea is about friendship and while yes romance can be shown in hand holding, there are couple of things to be well aware. First off, you only get 50% of romance and obviously it comes from Hinata. Naruto didn't show it. So it begs the question: where does it leads? If Naruto still loves Sakura, then this moment is now a bond of friendship. If he moves on, it's a bond of strong personal relationship, alas love. So yes, pretty much it's on the mercy of Naruto.

Lastly, Japan is known to show it in a level we can easily see romance, yet it's up to them to make it confirmation. It's about the atmosphere and how it was presented in the moment. Oddly enough, it didn't have that special background that screams "strong emotion inbound". Anyway, I stand by that the volume was in fact about friends' bond. Neji was like a sacrifice to let everyone know that they shouldn't stop and continue to move, which is why he's in the middle. Naruto and Hinata may be in question about romance, but again, Hinata got the Shikamaru effect in which she get the bigger focus in this volume, not to mention this most likely will close the whole Hyuuga situation, especially well, Neji is most likely going to get revive and no longer cursed, which can be the best possible ending, even though I don't want Pain 2.0 but what can you do.

Bottom line, one NS moment can just tell this moment a friendship bond alas friendzoned. It's only matter of time for NH to finally be a real possible pairing or a friendship that love can only exist in a fan fiction. Time is ticking.

I believe it's more about how much one has invested into the relationship. Naruto had nothing to go by at first. Hinata had more to go by. So yeah, I think Hinata may have had a more romantic feel to it. For Naruto, the possibility of.

I think there is a silent understanding on what is going on. There was a message of encouragement and not giving up, and it was sent and received. Very much a new bond created or an old one strengthened.
I love Neji, I cried when he died, I honestly don't think that it will happen.

[Moriarty]

Someone's touchy.

when I said "tomato tomato" I meant....what you think is romantic doesn't look romantic to me.

look the only reason your here is to brag, just get on with it.

(and usually I'm the happy one)

I'm just getting tired of naruhina fans coming to knock us down when we are feeling disappointed. anyone else?

I didn't know what it meant. It's more of an inside use of terms. There was nothing to your response for me to really reply. Gif of my lovely Sherlock seemed appropriate.

Brag? I don't brag or I don't like to, it's against my core and if I do it, it's to tease a friend. Shipping is a hobby I like to enjoy, if it happens, I'm happy. But we are talking about non-canon pairings and debating why or why not it will not happen. It's kind of a nice way to gain insight of real relationships.

And I don't remember ever coming in here to attack anyone. Or to knock you down as you put it. There was no personal attacks, I did not insult any person. I did comment on some absurd observations, but that is about it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe it's more about how much one has invested into the relationship. Naruto had nothing to go by at first. Hinata had more to go by. So yeah, I think Hinata may have had a more romantic feel to it. For Naruto, the possibility of.

I think there is a silent understanding on what is going on. There was a message of encouragement and not giving up, and it was sent and received. Very much a new bond created or an old one strengthened.
I love Neji, I cried when he died, I honestly don't think that it will happen.

It seems like the chance is increasing. The fact Kishi brought up Obito can do it sounds like a setup. The fact he's really given for turning good, the fact a person from K9, and fact that Madara can feel another betrayal on the horizon. Yes, I don't want to happen, but it seems like it's building up that way. I think what makes me think about it more is his cursed seal. It seems like he will be revived, strangely like resurrection. It's like second chance. Also, I feel that the battle at night is setting up a sunlight to be seen as "battle over, good overcome." Time will tell.