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#261 fireandice

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE (T XD @ Jan 23 2013, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really can't. We need to tell to get the balance again, and reassure.


I'm joining you with this dry.gif

Let's not get so bent out of shape by Hinata...with the reactions I'm seeing, if I hadn't read the chapter, I wouldn't have known Hinata only got like two panels and no spoken dialogue.

Kishi is not Kubo. He has been guilty of neglecting characters, but he does not randomly forget to draw them. Even if he did, he has his assistants, editors to help, and as far as I see, he quite pays attention to detail.

Remb during the Pain invasion arc? Some people were like LOL Sai and Yamato are mysteriously missing, maybe Kishi couldn't be bothered to draw them. But it was shown they were tracking Kabuto. Yes, maybe a convenient thing so there was no one to repress Kurama, but he didn't forget them and leave it unexplained.

Now, the last time we saw Sakura, she was next to Kakashi and reacting to something...She had entire panel to herself, and the colour cover... And there are her words to Naruto that she was going to be fighting together with him. So I doubt she was forgotten.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 23 2013, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not BS, Hinata jumped and said "i love you" but before that she had 0 development, then she goes missing for almost 70 chapters, Naruto even goes back to konoha and she does not even appear, Naruto only interacted with Sakura before he went to the island, then we got a real development for her on this arc.

Sakura didnt have a fight because kishi showed she was always healing people over.
It's matter of stuff, Medical ninja never take the credit for things they do, they do something important but the people always looks down to them it happens even on MMORPGS, no one like playing a healer because they never take the credit for the things they do, but they do play a important role.


this make sense since they told the medical ninja must be alive until the end and fight at the end.... so, what a coincidence.... Sakura was the last one in 573.

Be patience guys, we're still at the beginning of the battle.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (neoshadow @ Jan 23 2013, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think because unlike Sakura or Shizune she's a medical nin second and her family jutsu is integral to the plan.


QUOTE (fireandice @ Jan 23 2013, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Umm I think the anime might have messed this one up by making it look like ALLGURLZRMEDICS, but from what I see, I think Ino has some basic medical training, but she is not a FULL-FLEDGED medical ninja like Sakura. Her specialty seems to very much be infiltration, torture and interrogation using the Shintenshin, as in the Pain arc we saw she was with her dad and stuff.

I am sure Sakura will show up. Kishi wouldn't have her say those words in 573 for her NOT to do anything. smile.gif


It may be that. That was bothering me since everyone was saying that Sakura was not fighting because she's a medical nin, but I keep looking at Ino in the frontline and thinking .. but she's one too!

but yeah she has such a special ability and probably never went into much in that medical stuff.


I hope Kishi do something big with Sakura, something that can "clean up" her image with the fandom, I really don't want the manga ends with her being as hated as she is now. sad.gif

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (fireandice @ Jan 23 2013, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes!!! This.

I mean isn't it quite obvious the chapters are following the order of path to radiance? Hinata was first, then it was Team 10, then Lee...with Sai and Sakura the last.

For now, it seems the order of 573, but it's somewhat mixed.So, we can't tell for sure. But, Sakura will get something in this arc.
It's too early to say "outshined". The villains aren't defeated yet, and they gave the group shot and it failed. Typical in a fight with the protagonist and side characters to miss the defeating of the villain. There is round 2 next up XD

But, I hope we won't shift to Sasuke. I want to continue to know what's happening in this battle. Though, I think that it will shift to Sasuke... for now.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 23 2013, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this make sense since they told the medical ninja must be alive until the end and fight at the end.... so, what a coincidence.... Sakura was the last one in 573.

Be patience guys, we're still at the beginning of the battle.


She was the last one because she's supposedly the heroine...

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

Que the music.

No, no, no, not that one. The other one.....geez hard to get good help these day...


Thank you. Okay, everyone is down again. Let's see what I can do.

First off, dislocated shoulder is not medical. Anyone can relocate a shoulder. "Anyone? Then why did Hinata do it?" Hmm, good question, but before we do that let us remember that HEALING a teammate is NOT romantic. Most of us here agree with this, but still stunned that it should have been Sakura doing the healing. I can think of a couple reasons why Hinata doing it is legit.

1. She is next to Naruto already.
2. She can see it...literally.
3. She has the means to do it without making it hurt in the short amount of time they had to do it.

But again, this is not healing. I am also surprised Naruto's arm isn't swollen by now. I have had my limbs dislocate and put back in and it hurt like hell, plus I was swollen for a week and couldn't walk. I guess pure Kurama's chakra makes him heal fast.

If Healing anything = love then I guess NS is canon...again. It's funny how we jump at so much with this. It's funny how we look at one or two trees and assume it is how the entire forest is.

I am not going to let this bother me because, as 615 proved to me, I overreacted to something that became nothing and I am not going to do that each and every single week to myself. I am letting it roll. I am letting go how it is and I have already expected Hinata to be in the next 5 chapters. So this comes as no surprise. It shouldn't to any of you either.

I also know that Sakura is being pushed aside and we are all tired of waiting for Kishi to show her off. I understand you guys, but think of it this way. We had 2 weeks of Sakura no shows. We have what? 2 more years of Naruto? What if we have nothing, but Sakura for three months? It will make these chapters look like nothing and we will be laughing at it. "What if it is nothing, but Hinata from now on?" While it is possible I don't see how. Hinata has nothing to do with Sasuke and she has no right to be there. To plug her in will be more forced than chapter 615.

We can't live our lives week by week, because that is not really how this manga is supposed to be read and if you look, compared to everything else, this is a drop in an ocean.

It's even more ad when you have the radical fans taking something so hyped. "Hinata is in the scene, it is a NaruHina moment. She healed Naruto's arm, it is totally a NH moment." This is why things get out of hand. Meanwhile the regular fans are reading this manga like "So?" My brother who reads this manga read all this and said "So? What's the big deal?"

We also have fans who say that because Sakura is gone, she will do something obvious in the future like go to Tsunade. It is a fine assessment and if it happens, great, but again what will Naruto think? Let's see what happens when she disappears and Naruto goes looking for her. Wondering where she is. Then he goes looking for her and ignores Hinata again and we know Naruto doesn't need Hinata to track Sakura given that he can track people with Sage mode.

You know what though? If NH becomes canon in the end, then Kishi ruined his manga entirely. If NH becomes canon due to all these forced events and forced emotions and breaking the characters. It's nonsense. Even if a NH fan comes to me and brags to my face about it all I will say to them is "Congrats, and all it took was to destroy everything in the manga to do it causing the death of one character and undermining the rest of them. That's what it took to make NH canon. Congrats."

I am not going to live like that and instead just going to easy ride this. 615 opened my eyes to a truth that we take our pairings waaaay too seriously and that we need to calm down. "We don't care about the manga, we care about our pairing" It's not how it's supposed to be read. Last week, I expected Hinata to still be in the chapters. I expected her to do a lot more damage too and just see her and Naruto fighting alone, yet we got Lee making an excellent move against Madara, (Go Lee, man. I am glad you got some time), and the most of the entire shinobi army attacking

Then we had the interview with Kishi
Kishi: About the future development of the manga, yes?… Hereafter the Great Shinobi War will reach its final phase and yet more astonishing characters will appear, like this character after that character. It'll gain momentum, I think.
...Damn it, I don't care anymore, I'm gonna tell too many things (=spoilers), ok?
Yes, a faceoff between Naruto and Sasuke is waiting as well.
First of all 'beep!' come(/comes) back and because 'beep!',
'beep!' resurge(/s) from 'beep!'. And then the bijus gather together and 'beep' to 'beep(/win)!'.
This way there are many dramas(=dramatic events) planned for (/toward) the end and as 'beep' of 'beep' are going to fall like 'beep', your eyes will be glued (to the manga), I reckon.

Towards the end both the manga and the anime will get exciting, and as I'm writing the manga (the original), I'll make it exciting even if it costs me my life. I guarantee it will be thrilling, so please, get thrilled with it. Please, wait for that, I wont let u down. I'll try my best. Whatever comes I will do my best.
…I don't have any more to say…(laughter from the crew

This interview gave me hope more than any chapter in this entire manga. Kishi is like he is telling me, things are going to get rough, but it will all be okay in the end. I expect that. He even says a lot more drama will occur. Dramatic events that will end on a high note. This could involve pairing drama too which is exactly what is happening now. Everyone here is taking it so dramatically and I thought to myself "This is exactly what he said will happen."

I am not worried. Things may bum me out and I am not always going to get what I want right now, but since we are in the final two years...anything can happen. I half expected the worst in 616 and 617 and look what happened? I got something better.

I see no NH moments in these past chapters. I see Naruto and Hinata moments of interaction, but no NH moments at all.


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Jan 23 2013, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That should be pretty illuminating when it comes to pairings, too. I sort of plan to just do some lurking until we get more shipping material, as I am not so interested in talking about Naruto in general. I just know my contributions are going to be missed around here. laugh.gif


I used to be like that, then I realized how selfish and stupid I was because all I cared about was my favorite characters getting their time to shine. I also realized that the quality of the manga is more important than any pairing canon. If the quality has to sacrifice to cater to the fans then the manga is not worth it.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 23 2013, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Kishi do something big with Sakura, something that can "clean up" her image with the fandom, I really don't want the manga ends with her being as hated as she is now. sad.gif


Nothing Kishimoto can do will clean up Sakura's image to the people who hate her and imo he shouldn't bother trying, I like Sakura, always have, always will. People who hate her grasp at straws to make up reasons to hate her and they will no matter what he does.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 23 2013, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It may be that. That was bothering me since everyone was saying that Sakura was not fighting because she's a medical nin, but I keep looking at Ino in the frontline and thinking .. but she's one too!

but yeah she has such a special ability and probably never went into much in that medical stuff.


I hope Kishi do something big with Sakura, something that can "clean up" her image with the fandom, I really don't want the manga ends with her being as hated as she is now. sad.gif



of course He will do.... I mean, even Akamaru got the chakra from Naruto and has showed in first line!! Guys, AKAMARU!!

Like so I believe that a new meeting between Sasuke&Co and Karin is inevitable since they're in Konoha now. It's only a question of time.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 23 2013, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It may be that. That was bothering me since everyone was saying that Sakura was not fighting because she's a medical nin, but I keep looking at Ino in the frontline and thinking .. but she's one too!

but yeah she has such a special ability and probably never went into much in that medical stuff.


I hope Kishi do something big with Sakura, something that can "clean up" her image with the fandom, I really don't want the manga ends with her being as hated as she is now. sad.gif


He can try to clean her image, though there's nothing really wrong with her image to begin with. It's just she's not getting her deserved panel time. I don't really care what order things are supposed to go because really, it shouldn't even apply to her at all given her status and how little we've seen her during this entire war as it is. We have Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke. All of them are main characters, and yet, they're not getting shafted. It's Sakura that is. I'm never gonna be okay with this, and I'm definitely not gonna settle and keep on getting my hopes up only to end up disappointed repeatedly. kitten that.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Jan 23 2013, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing Kishimoto can do will clean up Sakura's image to the people who hate her and imo he shouldn't bother trying, I like Sakura, always have, always will. People who hate her grasp at straws to make up reasons to hate her and they will no matter what he does.


sadly true.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 23 2013, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I used to be like that, then I realized how selfish and stupid I was because all I cared about was my favorite characters getting their time to shine. I also realized that the quality of the manga is more important than any pairing canon. If the quality has to sacrifice to cater to the fans then the manga is not worth it.

Oh no, I meant that I'm just not interested in talking about the general stuff. I love reading about it, I love Sasuke's story the most of all, and it probably has the least romance than any other character's. biggrin.gif The shipping stuff is the only part that I want to discuss myself and hear other people's thoughts about. The more general stuff I'm just happy to read.

Edit.

Sakura's image: I would just say not to bother to think about her haters. They are going to complain, no matter what Sakura does. She is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Sometimes some characters just get reaction like that out of the fandom, and there is nothing that can be done about that. It is ridiculous. Kishi should just do as he planned to do with her and let the haters hate.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 23 January 2013 - 11:23 AM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE (fireandice @ Jan 23 2013, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm joining you with this dry.gif

Let's not get so bent out of shape by Hinata...with the reactions I'm seeing, if I hadn't read the chapter, I wouldn't have known Hinata only got like two panels and no spoken dialogue.

Kishi is not Kubo. He has been guilty of neglecting characters, but he does not randomly forget to draw them. Even if he did, he has his assistants, editors to help, and as far as I see, he quite pays attention to detail.

Remb during the Pain invasion arc? Some people were like LOL Sai and Yamato are mysteriously missing, maybe Kishi couldn't be bothered to draw them. But it was shown they were tracking Kabuto. Yes, maybe a convenient thing so there was no one to repress Kurama, but he didn't forget them and leave it unexplained.

Now, the last time we saw Sakura, she was next to Kakashi and reacting to something...She had entire panel to herself, and the colour cover... And there are her words to Naruto that she was going to be fighting together with him. So I doubt she was forgotten.

Thanks XD

Yes, Sakura will have something to do. Kishi has yet to do with some other characters to shine and the others that has already shined too. The arc isn't over yet. It still got a few chapters to go, that from the battle against Madara and Obito.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

Hinata... you relocated my shoulder, just like how you relocated my heart......
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Jan 23 2013, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh no, I meant that I'm just not interested in talking about the general stuff. I love reading about it, I love Sasuke's story the most of all, and it probably has the least romance than any other character's. biggrin.gif The shipping stuff is the only part that I want to discuss myself and hear other people's thoughts about. The more general stuff I'm just happy to read.


Yeah, but do you put your pairing before the manga? I know you are a NH fan and all, but if the manga suffered to make your pairing canon would it bother you?

For the sake of argument and general opinion, let's say without a doubt the manga got ruined, but your pairing became canon because of it. How would you feel about it?
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Jan 23 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He can try to clean her image, though there's nothing really wrong with her image to begin with. It's just she's not getting her deserved panel time. I don't really care what order things are supposed to go because really, it shouldn't even apply to her at all given her status and how little we've seen her during this entire war as it is. We have Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke. All of them are main characters, and yet, they're not getting shafted. It's Sakura that is. I'm never gonna be okay with this, and I'm definitely not gonna settle and keep on getting my hopes up only to end up disappointed repeatedly. kitten that.

Exactly, I love her character but not only she doesn't get the screetime these 3 receives she doesn't have their relevance. People can tell me to wait but we shouldn't have to wait in the first place, it's just plain simple bad writing and I'm not going to excuse it.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Jan 23 2013, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing Kishimoto can do will clean up Sakura's image to the people who hate her and imo he shouldn't bother trying, I like Sakura, always have, always will. People who hate her grasp at straws to make up reasons to hate her and they will no matter what he does.

Totally true... unfortunately.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 23 2013, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, but do you put your pairing before the manga? I know you are a NH fan and all, but if the manga suffered to make your pairing canon would it bother you?

For the sake of argument and general opinion, let's say without a doubt the manga got ruined, but your pairing became canon because of it. How would you feel about it?

For me the manga to be ruined, something absolutely horrible and vile would have to happen. And now we are talking about stuff like extreme misogyny, someone raping somebody in a graphic scene or Naruto decapitating Sasuke and laughing about it or smt like that. If anything like that happened, the whole manga would be ruined for me. It would no comfort that my favourite pairings happened.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 23 2013, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, but do you put your pairing before the manga? I know you are a NH fan and all, but if the manga suffered to make your pairing canon would it bother you?

For the sake of argument and general opinion, let's say without a doubt the manga got ruined, but your pairing became canon because of it. How would you feel about it?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

I'll admit that part of this chapter I kept wondering "Where exactly is Sakura?", and then when I saw that hand to help Naruto with his shoulder I thought we would finally see her, so I felt disappointed that it was actually just Hinata. But then I thought that it actually made sense since her open palm was perfect to put a joint back into place. I'm sure Sakura could do it as well, but Hinata's open palm seemed like the quickest and most practical solution for it.

Guys, it's not like Naruto had some open wound, his bone was just out of place and Hinata probably noticed it with her byakugan. She was just the perfect candidate for that specific situation.

This chapter just strengthens my believe that Kishi is leaving Sakura out of the picture on purpose. Last chapter's cover page should be a dead give away that Sakura is still on Kishi's mind. He put her in a battle ready position side by side with Naruto.

As for what reasons he not including her right now, I simply don't know. But if Sakura was just meant to take a basic role as the rest of the characters then she would've at least appeared in the group shot and be attacking the juubi just as the rest.

If Sakura was just meant to keep herself in the background to just heal people then I'm pretty sure that Kishi wouldn't have bothered giving her a speech of how she'll be together with Naruto no matter what he says. What is most telling in her speech is that she singled herself out before mentioning and everyone would fight together with him.

If she was simply going to heal in the background I think it would've looked more appropriate in 573 for her to say something like "Naruto, don't worry, with my healing jutsu I'll get everyone back on their feet so they can help you", but no, she said that they would fight together. I'll hold on to the hope that Kishi is not such a fool as to contradict what he makes characters say, which would be incredibly retarded now considering how he made Hinata's wish more true.

Sakura's absence is something to take notice of and something to be believed to be done on purpose. If Kishi really is saving her for the next arc then she should at least appear with the rest of the giant group fighting with Naruto, she would deserve that much at the very least considering that she's part of Naruto's team.

Sakura has a role to play considering all I just said, and if that isn't the case then Kishi is simply a fool, but I believe he's actually playing everyone for a fool right now. Let's wait and see.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 23 2013, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If this was NS, (I might not be shipping it as hard)
Pros:
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Cons:
Kishi is a kitten writer

Even if it happened with NS it would be dumb because like i said after Naruto's shoulder got dislocated, he throw two rasenshuriken and now suddenly he felt that his shoulder is dislocated.
This was bad writing it could even been Ino doing that it does not change that the scene was retarded.

And about NH naruto showed off he loves Sakura all the way along and suddenly changes his mind when she starts showing affection for him, and moreover this manga is being ruined since this arc started.
NAruto undying obssession for Sasuke and Sasuke being seemed as a victim all the time, i'm just waiting this arc to ends to decide if i drop or not.
Madara's edo tensei, completely retarded, Kabuto being defeated by an asspull genjutsu with a trash explanation adn without purpose, i have any doubts why all my friends dropped Naruto, if i wanst a shipper i would already dropped this manga.
Little by little i'm losing interest on NS.
NH and SS are trash, NS is just going on this way, with unfinished scenes and resolutions without coming to a conclusion.

Girls who still have feeling for guys who tried to kill them more than 1 time, Sasuke already told ehr that he didnt loved her, with words and with actions lots of time.

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