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[Nefertieh]

Don't forget in Kakashi's flashback on Obito's death during the Invasion arc, Obito's sharingan had three tomoe instead of two. Another very obvious mistake.

[candycane-chan]

This page, right in the middle.

Thanks for the fanfic link, I'll definitely read it.

As for the NS moment, it was exactly what I was thinking. I think if he gets to see Sakura could lash out at her because she'd remind him too much of Rin. Either that or he'll sympathize with Naruto. But yeah it's hard to say for sure. We'll just have to see where the story goes.

i'd like to see that happen offcurse if it turns out to be the "obito" then its possible for him to bring up rin,damn this week seems so long

[HalfStarStudios]

Your allowed to complain just if you can't handle his writing then don't read the manga it's as simple as that.

Don't give me that BS. I'm not gonna quit the manga because of one bad chapter. I've been reading this manga for years, i'm not gonna quit now. I can handle it. I still like the series. Also telling me to quit the series because I criticize one chapter is the worst argument i've even seen.

Try again.

Ok so there have been several notable contradictions in the latest chapters so I felt the urge to make a note of them and why the chapter was as blasphemous as it was. The most talked about inconsistency being Minato's face on the Hokage monument years(?) before it should be.

Now, Minato's face on the monument could just be an artist error since it was only one panel. Just a few pages before, Kishi depicted a Jonin Minato and Hiruzen sporting his Kage hat almost confirming this.

One panel of Minato's face on the monument in the entire chapter [Page 7]:

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Jonin Minato/Hokage Hiruzen [Pages 3 - 4]:

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What Kishi did, however, is contradict the Databook info regarding Kakashi and Hayate Gekko. The Obito/Tobi thing can be resolved with a thorough explanation but the inconsistency between what he showed us this chapter and what is listed in the Databooks cannot be mended or ignored. Kakashi should have already been a Chuunin by age 6 (sounds stupid, I know, but it is what it is) and yet he's shown participating in the Chuunin exams as a preteen.

Even more surprising, he is shown to have entered the academy on the same day as Obito - who is listed in the Databook to have graduated from the academy at age 9, Rin - at age 9, Asuma - at age 9, Kurenai - at age 9, Guy - at age 7, Genma - at age 10, Ebisu - at age 10, and Hayate Gekko [who is supposed to be 4 years younger than Kakashi's generation mind you] - is listed to have graduated at age 12. Tell me how it makes any sense for them all to attend the academy in the same year.

Academy entrance ceremony [Page 2]:

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Either they all entered the academy around the same time Kakashi did, which would make them 5 - 6 years old in the scan above, and Hayate a 1 year old, or Kishi just contradicted everything listed of their pasts in the Databook.

The argument that Kakashi took the exam a second time with his team because only teams of 3 could participate, thus giving Obito and Rin a chance to advance to Chuunin as well would be valid if not for the fact that he is shown receiving his official certificate of promotion and a brand new Chuunin vest, which he wouldn't have needed to receive or show off like he did since he would have already received them years before.

Preteen-looking Kakashi showing off his certificate and new Chuunin vest [Page 11]:

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Oh and by the way, chech out 1 year old Hayate Gekko with that sword [Page 3]:

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That's some good genes he has.

Kishi messed up way too much in one chapter. You really have to wonder if his assistants were high that day or something.

Also Rin was not in that coffin. It was confirmed to be Madara in Obito's flashback.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 01 September 2012 - 01:25 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Kishi messed up way too much in one chapter. You really have to wonder if his assistants were high that day or something.

Also Rin was not in that coffin. It was confirmed to be Madara in Obito's flashback.

Nice job compiling all of that. I'm guessing Sandaime was too comfortable in his robes to give them up. Interestingly Anko seems to have some teammates, when the original flashback in Part I seemed to suggest she was the sole student of Orochimaru. I wonder if the Japanese fanbase are talking about these inconsistencies as well?

I have completely forgotten about that Madara flashback. >_<

[HalfStarStudios]

Nice job compiling all of that. I'm guessing Sandaime was too comfortable in his robes to give them up. Interestingly Anko seems to have some teammates, when the original flashback in Part I seemed to suggest she was the sole student of Orochimaru. I wonder if the Japanese fanbase are talking about these inconsistencies as well?

I have completely forgotten about that Madara flashback. >_<

Thanks! Also like to add that Anko looks a little old for a 2 year old there. xD They most likely are. Now what i've seen a lot about the people here and that they think i'm talking about Obito being Tobi is a bad thing. I do not this this. I love the idea of Obito being Tobi and it easily be made sense of. Dova's arguments about Obito being Tobi is a bad thing because he became so strong is invalid since in just 1 year, Naruto went from Chuunin Level to God-Tier.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 01 September 2012 - 02:03 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thanks! Also like to add that Anko looks a little old for a 2 year old there. xD They most likely are. Now what i've seen a lot about the people here and that they think i'm talking about Obito being Tobi is a bad thing. I do not this this. I love the idea of Obito being Tobi and it easily be made sense of. Dova's arguments about Obito being Tobi is a bad thing because he became so strong is invalid since in just 1 year, Naruto went from Chuunin Level to God-Tier.

i made any arguments of obito being tobi i just say he could be anyone, my question is, naruto went to god-tier level because of his hard and he took a lot of time to achieve this level, we have a 1 or 2 years between "obito's death" and the kyuubi's attack it just does not make any sense some goes to god-tier level with one technique but we have minato he's god level with that thunder god flying technique, but the things he knew and his ability does not make any sense when he fought minato, tobi being obito would allows kishi to develop kakashi more but he really did a sh*tty explanation, and screwed everything, ok it's shows a parallel of naru/saku and obito/rin but we already knew that since kakashi gaiden it wasnt needed to make this flashbakc he could just did a resume of kakashi gaiden and finish with his face being revealed not just a bad compilation of his childhood and pre-teen and put everyone of the previous generation on a single place, to show that he was the naruto that failed and lose someome important( rin- and even bringing kakashi to his senses but it cost his "Life", it was unecessary i think kishi and his assistance smoke too much weed when they did this chapter.

the list of failures in this war arc is too big, and he just put and tells to the fans to shut the kitten up, some people here says that narusaku is end-game but since the recents events and how he is drawing this manga he can put naruhina without any logic explanation just saying.

that izanami really made me rage, kabuto was a nice villain he started weak and trained hard he even find a way to avoid all genjutsu by simple closing his eyes that itachi put him on genjutsu using an ass-pull jutsu without explanation, why someome would lose an eye to make another uchiha less rude/evil.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 September 2012 - 02:46 PM.

[Verilance]

first of all databooks of any manga should never replace manga reality, very few of them are actually written by the mangaka but by others

[HalfStarStudios]

i made any arguments of obito being tobi i just say he could be anyone, my question is, naruto went to god-tier level because of his hard and he took a lot of time to achieve this level, we have a 1 or 2 years between "obito's death" and the kyuubi's attack it just does not make any sense some goes to god-tier level with one technique but we have minato he's god level with that thunder god flying technique, but the things he knew and his ability does not make any sense when he fought minato, tobi being obito would allows kishi to develop kakashi more but he really did a sh*tty explanation, and screwed everything, ok it's shows a parallel of naru/saku and obito/rin but we already knew that since kakashi gaiden it wasnt needed to make this flashbakc he could just did a resume of kakashi gaiden and finish with his face being revealed not just a bad compilation of his childhood and pre-teen and put everyone of the previous generation on a single place, to show that he was the naruto that failed and lose someome important( rin- and even bringing kakashi to his senses but it cost his "Life", it was unecessary i think kishi and his assistance smoke too much weed when they did this chapter.

the list of failures in this war arc is too big, and he just put and tells to the fans to shut the kitten up, some people here says that narusaku is end-game but since the recents events and how he is drawing this manga he can put naruhina without any logic explanation just saying.

Obito could have worked hard to, what's to say that he didn't? Also I wouldn't day Minato is God Level. He's more just high Kage level. Also you have to remember that Obito still lost to Minato. He got owned hard. It was Kurama who finished off Minato. As for the NaruSaku/ObiRin thing, i'm going to be honest. I could really care less about that. You also can't say that Kishi gave us a sh*tty explanation for Obito being Tobi when we didn't even have one yet. I agree about the flasback thing, it was uneeded and didn't show us any reason why Obito went the path he went. Add to the fact that the flashback itself was written so horribly with so many inconsistencies.

If Kishi makes NaruHina or Tobi=Obito happen without any logical explanation, I will go to Japan and beat him with his wife.

first of all databooks of any manga should never replace manga reality, very few of them are actually written by the mangaka but by others

Kishi wrote the databooks himself.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 01 September 2012 - 02:50 PM.

[Nefertieh]

i made any arguments of obito being tobi i just say he could be anyone, my question is, naruto went to god-tier level because of his hard and he took a lot of time to achieve this level, we have a 1 or 2 years between "obito's death" and the kyuubi's attack it just does not make any sense some goes to god-tier level with one technique but we have minato he's god level with that thunder god flying technique, but the things he knew and his ability does not make any sense when he fought minato, tobi being obito would allows kishi to develop kakashi more but he really did a sh*tty explanation, and screwed everything, ok it's shows a parallel of naru/saku and obito/rin but we already knew that since kakashi gaiden it wasnt needed to make this flashbakc he could just did a resume of kakashi gaiden and finish with his face being revealed not just a bad compilation of his childhood and pre-teen and put everyone of the previous generation on a single place, to show that he was the naruto that failed and lose someome important( rin- and even bringing kakashi to his senses but it cost his "Life", it was unecessary i think kishi and his assistance smoke too much weed when they did this chapter.

the list of failures in this war arc is too big, and he just put and tells to the fans to shut the kitten up, some people here says that narusaku is end-game but since the recents events and how he is drawing this manga he can put naruhina without any logic explanation just saying.

Kishimoto will probably explain the major Obito/ Tobi problems later on. There is no way Obito could have been so close to death, then walked away, and then became evil. The Tobi who killed Minato may not be the same Tobi as the one Naruto is fighting right now, for all we know.

Kishimoto can end the manga without any set pairings if he wanted to. =/

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Obito could have worked hard to, what's to say that he didn't? Also I wouldn't day Minato is God Level. He's more just high Kage level. Also you have to remember that Obito still lost to Minato. He got owned hard. It was Kurama who finished off Minato. As for the NaruSaku/ObiRin thing, i'm going to be honest. I could really care less about that. You also can't say that Kishi gave us a sh*tty explanation for Obito being Tobi when we didn't even have one yet. I agree about the flasback thing, it was uneeded and didn't show us any reason why Obito went the path he went. Add to the fact that the flashback itself was written so horribly with so many inconsistencies.

If Kishi makes NaruHina or Tobi=Obito happen without any logical explanation, I will go to Japan and beat him with his wife.


Kishi wrote the databooks himself.

you forgot that before this fight he put obito to control the mizukage on the very same war that he fought with rin and kakashi because when he removed the mask in front of kisame, kisame still recognized as the guy that was controlling the mizugake.
plus the fact he participated on the uchiha's massacre with a long hair similar to madara.

it's like kishimoto saying to the fans "DEAL WITH IT".
someome please make on OC with kishimoto wearing black glasses, i will give my internets.( i'll pay with japanase narusaku fanart)
i'll save this OC for chapter 600.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 September 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

you forgot that before this fight he put obito to control the mizukage on the very same war that he fought with rin and kakashi because when he removed the mask in front of kisame, kisame still recognized as the guy that was controlling the mizugake.
plus the fact he participated on the uchiha's massacre with a long hair similar to madara.

it's like kishimoto saying to the fans "DEAL WITH IT".
someome please make on OC with kishimoto wearing black glasses, i will give my internets.( i'll pay with japanase narusaku fanart)
i'll save this OC for chapter 600.

Dude, I completely agree with you. If Obito is indeed the ONLY Tobi. That's where my 3 Tobi's theory kicks in.

I'm sure Kishi will give us a good explanation though. The only thing that cannot be explained is that bullsh** flashback.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Dude, I completely agree with you. If Obito is indeed the ONLY Tobi. That's where my 3 Tobi's theory kicks in.

I'm sure Kishi will give us a good explanation though. The only thing that cannot be explained is that bullsh** flashback.

i hope if this theory becomes reality if not i would start to worry about the manga's future.

because when the author itself starts contradicting what he said/did before all the statements made on the previous mangas and development of the things like narusaku will mean nothing at all.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 September 2012 - 03:21 PM.

[Nefertieh]

i hope if this theory becomes reality if not i would start to worry about the manga's future.

because when the author itself starts contradicting what he said/did before all the statements made on the previous mangas and development of the things like narusaku will mean nothing at all.

It's going to be ok. The situation could be the same as Pain's, who was controlled by Nagato, who was not the actual leader of the Akatsuki. Madara personally knows Tobi, so it is probably safe to say thaf Tobi is not completely Obito, and that Izuna will come back into the picture.

[kirabook]

Just speaking about the Hokage mountain bit:

It was either an honest mistake that will be edited out in the actual volume of the manga.

or

It could have been metaphorical for all we know. It would have been better represented if the Hokage mountain was still under construction, but *shrug*

In the end, I think it was just a mistake.

[HalfStarStudios]

Just speaking about the Hokage mountain bit:

It was either an honest mistake that will be edited out in the actual volume of the manga.

or

It could have been metaphorical for all we know. It would have been better represented if the Hokage mountain was still under construction, but *shrug*

In the end, I think it was just a mistake.

Most likely this. Kishi has done artist mistakes a lot in they get fixed in the actual volume.

[Verilance]

Kishi wrote the databooks himself.

I imagine he did just as much as Oda does which is not much really

[HalfStarStudios]

I imagine he did just as much as Oda does which is not much really

He wrote every little thing.

[AnaHatakechan]

Oh my god! I knew it was Obito! I just knew it!!!
I can't wait to hear the explanation behind all of this though, but I think it will go something like this
Obito/Tobi is somehow related to Madara.
Obito didn't die stright away when the boulders collapsed on top of him, Zetsu noticed and rescued him.
I think maybe the reason Obito became evil is because Rin died protecting Kakashi, instead of the other way round (Kakshi protecting Rin) As Obito gave Kakashi his sharingan so he could sense Rin's spirit leave, and assumed that Kakashi let her die. Because Obito always loved Rin he was basicaly pissed off xD
I'm terrible at explaing things But you get my drift D:! I can't wait until the next chapter!!

Edited by AnaHatakechan, 01 September 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[redragon88]

He wrote every little thing.

Why are you so sure about it?

Is there like some interview in which he said he wrote all of the detail in the databooks?

[HalfStarStudios]

Why are you so sure about it?

Is there like some interview in which he said he wrote all of the detail in the databooks?

Other than the fact that it's said to be written by Kishi and no one else? Nope.