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[TerrorKing]

First impressions are indeed important. However, there comes a time when you have to move past that. I don't plame people for at first disliking Sakura, but IMO there is so much evidence to suggest that she has changed for the better. However, what some might consider positive development, others might consider the exact opposite. Furthermore, it's not always easy to let go of one's hatred for something or someone.

Basically, if it's about her part 1 personality, I believe people should at least give her a chance.

Edited by TerrorKing, 01 October 2012 - 07:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

First impressions are indeed important. However, there comes a time when you have to move past that. I don't plame people for at first disliking Sakura, but IMO there is so much evidence to suggest that she has changed for the better. However, what some might consider positive development, others might consider the exact opposite. Furthermore, it's not always easy to let go of one's hatred for something or someone.

Basically, if it's about her part 1 personality, I believe people should at least give her a chance.

You dont get it, kishi had the chance to change it, i'm saying is look at the begining of the shippuuden i thought she would fight with naruto, per examplewe can divide it in two parts the best part was her fight with sasori when she proved that she was no longer useless or uniskilled at ninjutsu, she could fight with naruto a lot of times but kishi put her behind everyone with the other side characters, even in that Hidan and Kakuzu's battle she could not stay there to see naruto fighting kakuzu both sai and sakura went to go after shikamaru just to see that he was fine and had defeated him, in other words they did nothing.

Pain's arc she defeat an giant centipede so what? there's no glory on defeating a summoned animal, why kishi did not let her battle agaisnt one of the pains preferably the pain that use summoning techniques, why she wasnt with tsunade like on storm 2.
Konohamaru did more stuff on that arc than sakura.

This is the problems kishi had the chance to do this, and the reasons you are pointing out is just about her development in wich 250 chapters was just only about emotional stuff, since after sasori's arc her development is only romantic fodder and nothing more.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 October 2012 - 08:18 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I do not think realistic means annoying, there's a big difference, and even if you are drawing an heroine when you draw an heroine you must make her to be at least sympathic, and the fans to empathize with her, the first impression lasts and it's difficult to change this

While we are on the topic of Sakura, I want to point out that this also applies to Hinata or any other character for that matter.

The first impression of Hinata was that she is always shy, staulker-ish, type of character that is deeply in love with the main character, but is too much of a coward to push her feelings forward or even attempt. Whether this is on purpose or because Kishi doesn't want to bring the pairing war, I am not sure. The two confessions stirred the hornet's nest, but it didn't break anything and we wound up doing a 180 with nothing to go on, but a whole bunch of theories.

Now, Hinata has changed over the course of the manga since part 1 just like Sakura has, but how many still see her a a shy background character as she was in part 1; raise your hands? If you raised your hand, then the NaruHina fans would then come to you and complain saying that you didn't see how much she has developed since part 1 and that we are only judging because we like Sakura better who, they claim, has not changed since part 1.

The fanbase can be just as critical to the development of the characters too in that they refuse to see the change even if it did take place. Is that Kishi's fault or is that the fanbase's fault? Perhaps a little of both.

Speaking of which, if Kishi managed to make that major decision on pairings, and other such topics, then you will see a large decrease in Naruto fans (This is true. It is a sad fact, but it is true.) Because of this he is reluctant to make those kind of choices so he doesn't lose that fanbase. It is a sad pathetic thing the fans have done to him to pressure that much on him. He might get some lulz out of it, but fanbase can be held just as responsible because they put their pairing choice before the manga itself.

Even some NaruSaku fans have laid down the idea that if NS doesn't happen, then they stop reading the manga all together which is wrong to do. Sometimes you just got to be the fan of the story because the story is good, not because your ideas were wrong.

I'd say the blame is both the fanbases' fault for not seeing the truth, but also Kishimoto's fault for not pushing the boundaries of his characters and making them pop when they should be. He seems to always want to play it safe, but this gets frustrating after a while.

I guess I'm one of the few people hoping for more out of this manga than generic shounen. *shrug*

I'm right there with you, Zac, but generic it gets sometimes. I guess it could be worse.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 October 2012 - 08:20 PM.

[narulsaku]

first impresion is important. but if he would have made sakura stronger. then it wouldnt be that interesting. i mean she improved alot.

[TerrorKing]

You dont get it, kishi had the chance to change it, i'm saying is look at the begining of the shippuuden i thought she would fight with naruto, per examplewe can divide it in two parts the best part was her fight with sasori when she proved that she was no longer useless or uniskilled at ninjutsu, she could fight with naruto a lot of times but kishi put her behind everyone with the other side characters, even in that Hidan and Kakuzu's battle she could not stay there to see naruto fighting kakuzu both sai and sakura went to go after shikamaru just to see that he was fine and had defeated him, in other words they did nothing.

Pain's arc she defeat an giant centipede so what? there's no glory on defeating a summoned animal, why kishi did not let her battle agaisnt one of the pains preferably the pain that use summoning techniques, why she wasnt with tsunade like on storm 2.
Konohamaru did more stuff on that arc than sakura.

This is the problems kishi had the chance to do this, and the reasons you are pointing out is just about her development in wich 250 chapters was just only about emotional stuff, since after sasori's arc her development is only romantic fodder and nothing more.

I wasn't talking about her skills as a ninja. I agree that Kishi could have done so much more with her in terms of fighting (personally I would have liked her to have fought Konan during Pain's invasion like in the opening to that arc), but I still don't think we should ignore all the great things she has done, such as taking down that giant centipede or helping evacuate and healing the villagers.

What I was talking about was her personality.

The way i see it there are two things that people dislike about her. Her (lack of) skills and her personality. What I'm saying is that, if you hate her based on how she was back in part 1, then maybe you should try and let go and see that she's not like that anymore. However, this can also be applied to her skills. Yeah, she was pretty useless in part 1, but she's not like that anymore. However, this one is a bit more shaky when discussing whether she is "weak" or "powerful" because those are both subjective terms. Sakura may be pretty powerful in her own right, but compared to Naruto she's pretty weak etc. etc. .

While we are on the topic of Sakura, I want to point out that this also applies to Hinata or any other character for that matter.

The first impression of Hinata was that she is always shy, staulker-ish, type of character that is deeply in love with the main character, but is too much of a coward to push her feelings forward or even attempt. Whether this is on purpose or because Kishi doesn't want to bring the pairing war, I am not sure. The two confessions stirred the hornet's nest, but it didn't break anything and we wound up doing a 180 with nothing to go on, but a whole bunch of theories.

Now, Hinata has changed over the course of the manga since part 1 just like Sakura has, but how many still see her a a shy background character as she was in part 1; raise your hands? If you raised your hand, then the NaruHina fans would then come to you and complain saying that you didn't see how much she has developed since part 1 and that we are only judging because we like Sakura better who, they claim, has not changed since part 1.

The fanbase can be just as critical to the development of the characters too in that they refuse to see the change even if it did take place. Is that Kishi's fault or is that the fanbase's fault? Perhaps a little of both.

I agree. People can be just as nasty to Hinata as then can be to Sakura (or any other character for that matter). I think the core principle is that, while Hinata may have changed a lot over the course of the series, Sakura has changed even more. Hinata has certainly become a much more confident and capable person than she was in part one, but Sakura pretty much did a complete 180 both in terms of powers and personality. She wen't from having no practical skills at all, to being a medical prodigy. She also wen't from being shallow and insincere to being much more caring and open about her feelings (well mostly).

I get that Kishi may have screwed up with Sakura in part 1, but in my opinion, he has now mostly managed to make up for it at least in terms of personality. Ultimately, I believe that it's up to the fans to acknowledge that change.

Edited by TerrorKing, 02 October 2012 - 01:56 AM.

[narulsaku]

i think king is right . if they really see her as she war in part 1 . then the should give her a chance. shes not like before any more. she has improved . i think that the naruhina fans hate her alot . as she is the heroine not hinata. they are jelous.

[T XD]

TerrorKing and James, you have just read my mind of what I meant to say in my last previous posts. Thanks.

[James S Cassidy]

TerrorKing and James, you have just read my mind of what I meant to say in my last previous posts. Thanks.

You're welcome.

I understand why people see things the way they do and they are partially correct when they say that Kishi needs to push more change into some of his character(s). This could be Sakura, Hinata, or any character in the series, but I will also say that the fanbase needs to keep an open mind too in that if he does decide to change his characters they need to accept the change as well. No matter how minor or major it may be.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 02 October 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[merryGOflava]

You're welcome.

I understand why people see things the way they do and they are partially correct when they say that Kishi needs to push more change into some of his character(s). This could be Sakura, Hinata, or any character in the series, but I will also say that the fanbase needs to keep an open mind too in that if he does decide to change his characters they need to accept the change as well. No matter how minor or major it may be.

yup :3

though i always thought part 1 sakura had a certain charm to her XD i liked her alot.

it wasnt really her attitude i had a problem with i just wished she fought more :3 but i never hated her for not fighting.

[TerrorKing]

TerrorKing and James, you have just read my mind of what I meant to say in my last previous posts. Thanks.

You're welcome.

I understand why people see things the way they do and they are partially correct when they say that Kishi needs to push more change into some of his character(s). This could be Sakura, Hinata, or any character in the series, but I will also say that the fanbase needs to keep an open mind too in that if he does decide to change his characters they need to accept the change as well. No matter how minor or major it may be.

Indeed. The fans need to accept that people change and that that is also true for the characters in Naruto. It's simply not fair to judge Sakura based on how she was in part 1, because she just isn't like that anymore. The same goes for Hinata. She's too has come a long way since her introduction and people really need to acknowledge that.

People also need to stop trying to apply traits to characters where it just doesn't make any sense, like how some people claim that Sakura is a manipulative b*tch who only cares about Naruto because he's famous now or how Hinata is really a psychotic and possisive yandere who secretly wants to kill Sakura becasue she wants Naruto to herself. There's character analysis and then there's speculation. It's important to keep those two seperated. Just because you think a character is a certain way doesn't make it fact.

[narulsaku]

yup :3

though i always thought part 1 sakura had a certain charm to her XD i liked her alot.

it wasnt really her attitude i had a problem with i just wished she fought more :3 but i never hated her for not fighting.

yes if people just hate her because she doesnt fight.then they are just fools. why dont they dont see her good attitude

[Lucky Star]

yup :3

though i always thought part 1 sakura had a certain charm to her XD i liked her alot.

it wasnt really her attitude i had a problem with i just wished she fought more :3 but i never hated her for not fighting.

Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one that liked Sakura in part 1 XD.

[TerrorKing]

Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one that liked Sakura in part 1 XD.

Nope, you're not alone. I like part 1 Sakura as well, despite all her flaws. However, I still like part 2 Sakura a little more. If she had never changed the way she did over the course of part 1 and the timeskip, I don't think I would like her quite as much.

[Gravenimage]

Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one that liked Sakura in part 1 XD.

I like part 1 Sakura too the problem is Pierot made her more a detestable character making her more of a Sasuke fan girl and increasing her tsundere attitude towards Naruto way more than in the manga.

[Luna]

I like Sakura in part 1, I just didn't like the sasuke kun thing but other than that I really liked her.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Not gonna lie, I loathed her in Part 1. Loathed. That may have been contributed to by the anime butchering her character (I haven't read the manga of Part 1 too much), but I detested every second of her.

[T XD]

Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one that liked Sakura in part 1 XD.

I liked Sakura from the beginning of the series. She's my favorite character XD

I like part 1 Sakura too the problem is Pierot made her more a detestable character making her more of a Sasuke fan girl and increasing her tsundere attitude towards Naruto way more than in the manga.

Not gonna lie, I loathed her in Part 1. Loathed. That may have been contributed to by the anime butchering her character (I haven't read the manga of Part 1 too much), but I detested every second of her.

Increasing her tsundere attitude isn't a problem cause it's always should be considered a trait in her and a comical relief.

The problem is that some fans, actually I think it's more than "some", don't know what a tsundere character means which they don't know to determine a tsundere character in a manga or anime, so they say that the reason why they don't like her cause she hits him. But, there's some fans who knows she's a tsundere but they hate her for the sake that she's the one that Naruto loves and another reason that they don't like her to be with Naruto, which results them bashing her a lot and eventually hating her.

Edited by T XD, 03 October 2012 - 03:52 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I liked Sakura from the beginning of the series. She's my favorite character XD



Increasing her tsundere attitude isn't a problem cause it's always should be considered a trait in her and a comical relief.

The problem is that some fans, actually I think it's more than "some", don't know what a tsundere character means which they don't know to determine a tsundere character in a manga or anime, so they say that the reason why they don't like her cause she hits him. But, there's some fans who knows she's a tsundere but they hate her for the sake that she's the one that Naruto loves her and another reason that they don't like her to be with Naruto, which results them bashing her a lot and eventually hating her.

The anime overdid the tsundere thing, though. Way too much. And half the time, it wasn't funny at all.
An example is the filler arc (I know, not canon, but it's an example of how the anime treated her) with the Fuuma clan in it. When Naruto realizes that he accidentally grabbed one of Sasame's... special places, Sakura bashes him over the head. For no reason. Seriously, what the hell? That's too much. Especially since it was for no reason; that made it not funny.

[Gravenimage]

The anime overdid the tsundere thing, though. Way too much. And half the time, it wasn't funny at all.
An example is the filler arc (I know, not canon, but it's an example of how the anime treated her) with the Fuuma clan in it. When Naruto realizes that he accidentally grabbed one of Sasame's... special places, Sakura bashes him over the head. For no reason. Seriously, what the hell? That's too much. Especially since it was for no reason; that made it not funny.

The big problem is that a lot of the people that watch the anime they have NEVER watch another anime based of a shounen manga before so they have no idea about the tsundere character. It makes sense first time watching an anime and it's Naruto when suddenly they see Sakura hitting him they won't find it funny but rather insulting and they will eventually get angry at her character and that's where the big hatred towards her begins. Also a lot of people have seen many anime and they know what's a tsundere but they don't care and they will hate Sakura with a passion. Others will hate her is because they're Hinata fans no surprise there.

Edited by Gravenimage, 03 October 2012 - 03:52 PM.

[T XD]

The anime overdid the tsundere thing, though. Way too much. And half the time, it wasn't funny at all.
An example is the filler arc (I know, not canon, but it's an example of how the anime treated her) with the Fuuma clan in it. When Naruto realizes that he accidentally grabbed one of Sasame's... special places, Sakura bashes him over the head. For no reason. Seriously, what the hell? That's too much. Especially since it was for no reason; that made it not funny.

If someone took it as too much by what the anime studio who done it too much over, well, okay.
But they should know or always keep in mind that she's a tsundere main character and we'll have to see her hitting the protagonist of the series. No surprise.

Edited by T XD, 03 October 2012 - 03:51 PM.