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[Rainy Daze]

Nope. Nothing like that was ever in the manga. Fan sites do sometimes convolute fanfiction with what was in manga canon. And Sakura having a ninja family crest shows she comes from a ninja clan, and one that was of enough note at some point to have a family crest. (Not all ninja families appear to have one, which is similar to how samurai families were in historical Japan.)

I'm so glad you pointed this out, as a lot of people think her family is simply a civilian one.

[Orenji]

Nope. Nothing like that was ever in the manga. Fan sites do sometimes convolute fanfiction with what was in manga canon. And Sakura having a ninja family crest shows she comes from a ninja clan, and one that was of enough note at some point to have a family crest. (Not all ninja families appear to have one, which is similar to how samurai families were in historical Japan.)

While I agree that the circle on Sakura's clothing does suggest a family crest, I highly doubt that there is something such as a Haruno clan. Not every ninja is from a clan, and if Sakura came from a ninja clan, she would not have started out so shaky as a kunoichi or for that matter, state that she became a kunoichi in order to get closer to Sasuke. The only thing we know about Sakura's parents is the fact that she actually has them.

But then to support her coming from a ninja clan is the fact that, despite how horrible at first, she was obviously a capable kunoichi, she had the talent. I don't know if Kishi has ever explained how someone becomes a ninja, if it can come out of no where or if it passed down through family genetics, or if anyone can do it if they work hard enough (Rock Lee, despite his lack of chakra control). Sort of like muggleborns, purebloods, and squibs in Harry Potter. Regardless, I think its highly unlikey that Sakura is part of a ninja clan and that her parents have any say in her ninja activities. They certainly haven't yet!

Now if it were an AU, that would be very interesting!

[Verilance]

Sakura has a family crest because Kishimoto created it this way, She without a doubt comes from a ninja clan

Edited by Verilance, 06 April 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[Rainy Daze]

Sakura has a family crest because Kishimoto created it this way, She without a doubt comes from a ninja clan

That's quite vague, but maybe it is simply the answer.

Tsk, you edited your post right after I replied...

Edited by Rainy Daze, 06 April 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Orenji]

Naruto had the spiral on all of his clothes, and despite recent chapters, we can all certainly agree that he did not believe it was a family crest.

[ultranx]

Naruto had the spiral on all of his clothes, and despite recent chapters, we can all certainly agree that he did not believe it was a family crest.

the spiral isn't a family crest at all, it's the symbol of the whirlpool village that kushina came from remember? that was actually talked about by kushina when naruto met her. and all those jonin jackets have them too. it's supposed to be to honor the destroyed whirlpool village and something else if i recall.

Edited by ultranx, 06 April 2012 - 09:26 PM.

[Orenji]

Well then that only proves my point further. I don't want to start a debate or get into anything, I'm just saying that I highly doubt Sakura is from a ninja clan, and the presence of the circle on her clothing may mean nothing at all, not even a clan symbol. That's all.

[Rainy Daze]

Yuuuuum! Orenjis!
/nomnomnom

Mmm, I kinda liked where that discussion was going. Dunno, it probably would have gone off topic...I'm sure there's probably a thread around here somewhere regarding the topic of Sakura's origins but if I can't find one then I will make one (:

Edited by Rainy Daze, 06 April 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[Orenji]

Yuuuuum! Orenjis!
/nomnomnom

Mmm, I kinda liked where that discussion was going. Dunno, it probably would have gone off topic...I'm sure there's probably a thread around here somewhere regarding the topic of Sakura's origins but if I can't find one then I will make one (:

(;

And yes, I would love to discuss it further! It's been sooo long since I have been active so I don't know the relevance rules haha.

But I'm totally stoked for more information about the movie to come out!

[ultranx]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clans

look there on the wikia. there is no haruno clan. that comment before about sakura being the only one in her family to become a ninja is most likely true. wait a minute, i don't see anything about her family so what if she is a part of a clan and that if this movie is a sakura arc what if it tells us about her clan in this movie if she has one? oh wow!!!! the spiral symbol is both the symbol of the whirlpool village and the symbol of the uzumaki clan.
anyways, lets get back on topic shall we. i'm still not sure how this is a genjutsu thing and not an alternate universe, though that would be cool. oh well, guess we'll find out when we see the movie.

Edited by ultranx, 06 April 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[The Tax-Man]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clans

look there on the wikia. there is no haruno clan. that comment before about sakura being the only one in her family to become a ninja is most likely true. wait a minute, i don't see anything about her family so what if she is a part of a clan and that if this movie is a sakura arc what if it tells us about her clan in this movie if she has one?

Uhm no kitten the wiki doesn't mention a clan. You do realize that it's a fan-based site, right? All information on there is just from the currently released chapters and episodes. Nothing has been revealed about Sakura's background yet so it's obviously not going to be on the wiki. And when exactly was it said she's the only ninja in her family?

*checks*

Yup, no comment by anyone ever about Sakura's background.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 07 April 2012 - 01:24 AM.

[ciardha]

the spiral isn't a family crest at all, it's the symbol of the whirlpool village that kushina came from remember? that was actually talked about by kushina when naruto met her. and all those jonin jackets have them too. it's supposed to be to honor the destroyed whirlpool village and something else if i recall.

it is the Uzumaki clan symbol as well as the Uzushio symbol- it's in the chapter where Kushina talks about the Uzumaki and Senju clans being distantly related. Mito as a young woman wore it on her obi in the family crest style. (Uzumaki means "spiral". The Uzumaki clan that founded Uzushio- meaning either whirlpool or eddies, apparently weren't as original as the Senju clan. They used their clan symbol and named the village after their clan name, even the country's name is Uzu, using the kanji for that word Whirpool or Eddy, just like Hi (Fire) uses the kanji for fire. Of course there's the difference that the Senju clan cofounded Konoha with the Uchiha clan, while the Uzumaki clan apparently were the dominant clan of Uzushio.

In Hi no Kuni (Land of Fire) the county got a name associated with the Uchiha clan name- uchiha (from uchiwa which is a fan associated with fanning the flames of a fire) and the village a name associated with the Senju clan, Senju means thousand hands, but they were called prior to the founding of Konoha, Senju no Mori- thousand hands of the Forest) The Uzu It was thought by fans prior to the chapter revelation that it was worn to honor the destroyed whirlpool village, but Kushina states in the chapter that it was a celebration of the alliance

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clans

look there on the wikia. there is no haruno clan. that comment before about sakura being the only one in her family to become a ninja is most likely true. wait a minute, i don't see anything about her family so what if she is a part of a clan and that if this movie is a sakura arc what if it tells us about her clan in this movie if she has one? oh wow!!!! the spiral symbol is both the symbol of the whirlpool village and the symbol of the uzumaki clan.
anyways, lets get back on topic shall we. i'm still not sure how this is a genjutsu thing and not an alternate universe, though that would be cool. oh well, guess we'll find out when we see the movie.

Kishimoto has just revealed that Jyugo comes from a ninja clan. We didn't find out about Naruto's Uzumaki clan until chapter 500. We didn't even know why Naruto was given his mother's family name until chapter 440 when Minato said why. We didn't know anything about his mother at all, other than she died on the night he was born, before Tsunade's and Jiraiya's last conversation in chapter 367, nor that the 4th Hokage was Naruto's father or even his name.

Nautopedia can't report on a clan that Kishimoto hasn't actually discussed in the manga. But her having a ninja family symbol on her clothes points toward her clan at some point being a clan of note. Kishimoto gave Sakura a mystery connected to her family, just like he gave a mystery connected to Naruto's origin. (Kishimoto also hasn't revealed anything about Minato's Namikaze clan either, but no one seems to question Minato came from a ninja clan, even though we know even less about his family- meaning nothing.)

A family symbol on clothing in Naruto appears to be like historical samurai clans in Japan a symbol of a ninja clan of note. At least on the level of the Ino-Shika-Cho clans- who starting 16 generations ago, served the Sarutobi clan, who likely served the Senju clan. I wouldn't be surprised, considering the revelation about the Ino-Shika-Cho clans, if Kishimoto finally reveals the Haruno clan served another higher ranked clan, who served the Senju clan...

The speculation from that question would be- What happened to make her family lose so much status (clan ability skipping multiple generations, seemingly lost forever, maybe- like with the Senju clan but more generations with a lesser class ninja clan, and the Haruno clan prior to Sakura not having anything else fall back on- so they declined into a standard Chunnin ninja family, but the potential of the genjutsu ability reemerging- thus Kakashi describing Sakura as being a natural genjutsu ability type in early part 1- even though she showed no absolutely no hint of ever having any such ability. This is mentioned again at the start of part 2. How would Kakashi know what type nature she was, when she never showed any hint of that in the Academy?

And Sakura not being trained by her parents did happen to ninja kids sometimes- both of Iruka's parents were ninja, but it's clear from his flashbacks he wasn't trained prior to the Academy either.

Edited by ciardha, 07 April 2012 - 02:46 AM.

[Gravenimage]

This is off topic we're supposed to be discussing about the sixth Naruto movie not about Sakura's family.

[ciardha]

This is off topic we're supposed to be discussing about the sixth Naruto movie not about Sakura's family.

The thing is, it may be on topic, Graven. What started the discussion about Sakura's family was my pointing out that the person in Kishimoto's sketch with who is highly likely to be Sakura might be her father- the symbols on his clothes looks like the Haruno symbol and he? (androgynous from the front, looks male from the back) has a top on that has the same design as Sakura's- mandarin collar, zipper that goes straight part way, then goes diagonally over to the side, and sleeveless too. (line is a bit fuzzy below the waist but it also looks it might possibly have a longer version of \_/ below the waist shape that Sakura's part 1 tunic had. (a bit closer to how a more traditional cheongsam falls at the bottom) He is standing in front of the partial sketch of what looks to be Sakura with his arm out strectched blocking her from going somewhere and she looks to be irritated about that. There's some text with the sketches but some of the words are cut off and it's too fuzzy to get a clear image of what can be seen- very frustrating Because it might tell us who the person is.... I'm not saying it definitely is, because there's nothing that absolutely says or shows who it is, but the visual details made me wonder if it might be Sakura's father.

[K9ofChaos]

The thing is, it may be on topic, Graven. What started the discussion about Sakura's family was my pointing out that the person in Kishimoto's sketch with who is highly likely to be Sakura might be her father- the symbols on his clothes looks like the Haruno symbol and he? (androgynous from the front, looks male from the back) has a top on that has the same design as Sakura's- mandarin collar, zipper that goes straight part way, then goes diagonally over to the side, and sleeveless too. (line is a bit fuzzy below the waist but it also looks it might possibly have a longer version of \_/ below the waist shape that Sakura's part 1 tunic had. (a bit closer to how a more traditional cheongsam falls at the bottom) He is standing in front of the partial sketch of what looks to be Sakura with his arm out strectched blocking her from going somewhere and she looks to be irritated about that. There's some text with the sketches but some of the words are cut off and it's too fuzzy to get a clear image of what can be seen- very frustrating Because it might tell us who the person is.... I'm not saying it definitely is, because there's nothing that absolutely says or shows who it is, but the visual details made me wonder if it might be Sakura's father.

If that's Sakura's father, then his hair looks stupid with that single bane.


But how do you think he'll view Naruto and the possibility of him being a candidate for Sakura's boyfriend? I would find it funny if he did not approve of Sasuke or Sakura's fangirl attitude towards Sasuke in any way shape or form.


I also want to know who that guy with the gas mask is. Pyro is that you?!

Edited by K9ofChaos, 07 April 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[ciardha]

If that's Sakura's father, then his hair looks stupid with that single bane.


But how do you think he'll view Naruto and the possibility of him being a candidate for Sakura's boyfriend? I would find it funny if he did not approve of Sasuke or Sakura's fangirl attitude towards Sasuke in any way shape or form.

Heh, the hair does look kind of silly. Sasuke may not be present in this genjutsu- Tobi Madara may have hidden the memory of him from everyone. It may be if Sakura is the only one who can fight the genjutsu (her father not having an active gene for the ability- just a passive one he passed down to her that with her finally returned to active status) her father is being influenced to have a negative opinion of Naruto and his daughters involvement with him- creating another obstacle for Sakura to have to deal with before she can break the genjutsu...

Don't know if this will be the story, but I'm hoping my guess is right or at least close.

[Darth Krypt]

Its amazing how fans can speculate so much about a simple sketch that isn't clear in the first place.

[merryGOflava]

Its amazing how fans can speculate so much about a simple sketch that isn't clear in the first place.

actually....im with ciardha.....

the guy has a chinese looking outfit like sakura....and looks older.....and has circle things like sakura....XD....its hard not to speculate!

plus its fun!!

[ciardha]

Its amazing how fans can speculate so much about a simple sketch that isn't clear in the first place.

Oh, it's just having fun. You should give it a shot.

I'd honestly be kind of freaked out if I was really close to what movie plot is. I mean, I have the reading experience in manga to figure out a manga romantic pairing basically from the start if the girl is in the tsundere spectrum, but to get the plot of a movie from a few drawings... whoa.

Since Kishimoto is writing it, it's much more exciting to speculate, than just another Pierrot movie. It will still be an alternate from what he's doing in the manga, of course, but it's much more interesting because the person who actually created the manga is writing the story for the movie.

I feel sure of one thing, especially after seeing the teaser- I did guess right about it being Tobi Madara's mass genjutsu that people are under.

The questions I have are did I guess right about Sakura? Will she be able to fight it off because of what looks to be her natural, but also trained mental defense ability, that can manifest a second inner self? Will that make her the hidden part of the plot? (until the real trailer is released shortly before the movie hits the theaters) Because if she can fight it off she'll be the key to freeing Naruto and the others from it so they all can battle to defeat Madara.

I was just thinking about the emotional fallout this will have for the characters that do have a drastic change... because they'll remember what happened in the genjutsu.... Naruto, interestingly enough, I don't think he'll be too messed up by it, he'll be mad at Madara for what he did, but he's already made his peace about his parents, he'll be able to quickly shift the parts where he interacted with his parents into a positive force for himself. Ino will be disgusted and really hacked off that her mind was messed around with considering her family's ablity. Hinata will be the most traumatized- to have been turned into what would feel like to her an exhibitionist... she'll be sick with shame.

Edited by ciardha, 08 April 2012 - 05:21 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

I just think that if Kishi were to show something as important as Sakura's parents, as a debut no less, I would prefer it done in the manga rather than the movie. Unless its those officially canon movies like One Piece: Strong World. But if Kishi wants to treat Sakura as the main character, then he should treat her as such, with proper family background explained in the manga.