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[Greed-Sama]

Exactly Turson which is why I want Him to grow stronger on his own heck
i made a Couple of Jutsu for him and a few methods of powering him up a huge amount I'll share if anyone wants

That doesn't really help him. Extracting Kyuubi would make it seem like it's a magic cure-all with the fairy-tail ending. Kushina said that even Jinchurki can be happy and him doing that for the rest of his life would make him stand out even more. Plus I would love to see someone attack Konoha with Naruto as Hokage and him in control of the Kyuubi. Seriously after the first couple of time, no one would try that ever again.

[The Tax-Man]

That doesn't really help him. Extracting Kyuubi would make it seem like it's a magic cure-all with the fairy-tail ending. Kushina said that even Jinchurki can be happy and him doing that for the rest of his life would make him stand out even more. Plus I would love to see someone attack Konoha with Naruto as Hokage and him in control of the Kyuubi. Seriously after the first couple of time, no one would try that ever again.

Exactly. The whole 'Kyuubi is bad' and whatnot rant is overrated. It's a part of Naruto. Get over it people. It would be much better if he kept it. I've said it before that all the 200+ chapters used to develop this would be wasted if Naruto had it ripped off. That's just too bad. Fairy-tale endings when all is perfect and morally correct are annoying. It's unrealistic.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 26 April 2011 - 09:55 PM.

[naruto-z]

The kyuubi I believe is goig to be extracted in some form or way or another because the juubi is destined yo make an appearance and without the kyuubi this would be impossible.

[Phantom_999]

That doesn't really help him. Extracting Kyuubi would make it seem like it's a magic cure-all with the fairy-tail ending. Kushina said that even Jinchurki can be happy and him doing that for the rest of his life would make him stand out even more. Plus I would love to see someone attack Konoha with Naruto as Hokage and him in control of the Kyuubi. Seriously after the first couple of time, no one would try that ever again.

Exactly. The whole 'Kyuubi is bad' and whatnot rant is overrated. It's a part of Naruto. Get over it people. It would be much better if he kept it. I've said it before that all the 200+ chapters used to develop this would be wasted if Naruto had it ripped off. That's just too bad. Fairy-tale endings when all is perfect and morally correct are annoying. It's unrealistic.

Well not that I don't agree with you but Whats the harm with Making Naruto stronger on his own Yes having the Kyuubi is part of the story and yes its his power but still what DOES that do for him personally? and and as naruto-z suggested what if Kishimoto is planning on having the Juubi appear by having all nine Bijuu extracted what would Naruto do then hmm,hmm? Would be pretty weak without Kyuubi wouldn't he? I WANT him to be strong as a ninja, not just as a bijuu host any can be strong by being a host and IF the Kyuubi is taken from him what has he got? The moral of my thinking is that you can't rely on a power thats not yours or that be taken from you. YES I want Naruto to perfectly control Kyuubi and be the perfect host like Killer Bee but Whats more important is that he grows as a person and develop his own powers not just abuse a convenient source of strength that may not have even been given to him so I agree that he keep the Kyuubi and use it to prove a host can be happy and it is a part of him but I want him to be a supreme Ninja even with out a bijuu no other Kage in in history was marked as great or memorable because they had a bijuu's power and even then its not only cause of that it was because of their own strength they developed through hard work and maybe for some a great lineage so I want Naruto to be like that

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 April 2011 - 11:20 PM.

[The Tax-Man]

The kyuubi I believe is goig to be extracted in some form or way or another because the juubi is destined yo make an appearance and without the kyuubi this would be impossible.

Why is it that you believe it must make an appearance again? There is no reason. It's pointless and too obvious for a professional manga artist. Plus, it's already impossible. You need the full Kyuubi. Not half. But half is sealed in the death god. There's no way Madara's getting it from there so expect a usual villain plan-foul now.

Well not that I don't agree with you but Whats the harm with Making Naruto stronger on his own Yes having the Kyuubi is part of the story and yes its his power but still what DOES that do for him personally? and and as naruto-z suggested what if Kishimoto is planning on having the Juubi appear by having all nine Bijuu extracted what would Naruto do then hmm,hmm? Would be pretty weak without Kyuubi wouldn't he? I WANT him to be strong as a ninja, not just as a bijuu host any can be strong by being a host and IF the Kyuubi is taken from him what has he got? The moral of my thinking is that you can't rely on a power thats not yours or that be taken from you. YES I want Naruto to perfectly control Kyuubi and be the perfect host like Killer Bee but Whats more important is that he grows as a person and develop his own powers not just abuse a convenient source of strength that may not have even been given to him so I agree that he keep the Kyuubi and use it to prove a host can be happy and it is a part of him but I want him to be a supreme Ninja even with out a bijuu no other Kage in in history was marked as great or memorable because they had a bijuu's power and even then its not only cause of that it was because of their own strength they developed through hard work and maybe for some a great lineage so I want Naruto to be like that

Problem in your argument. NO. Not anyone can control a Bijuu. THAT'S great about Naruto and Bee. And Kyuubi is a part of Naruto. He CAN'T be stripped of it now. Your argument is like I said, cliched and unrealistic. Kyuubi is a part of him and therefore it's his own power since HE controlled it. He did develop his OWN powers as per you. Kyuubi IS his own. You gettin' this or do I have to repeat? It's not abuse. You are seriously thinking all Naruto is is Kyuubi. Uh...no s**t he uses it it's IN him and there for a reason. Give him credit. He has his own strength man. NOT anyone can do what he does 'kay? Like I said, a morally correct and cheesy ending is ANNOYING and CLICHE.

Sorry if that sounded like a rant btw. I had a hard day.

[Paptala]

Paptala your post is full of win you're awesome!

Thanks so much! ^__^

paptala, awesome post....

You're so right about Hinata being inspired by Naruto and basing her love him off that as wrong (or NH shippers using that as proof). Lots and lots of people were inspired by Naruto: Neji, Lee, Shika, Tsunade.... And even in Sakura's confession she says that so many people see him as their hero, and she's just one of them. But it's not why she loves him. However for Hinata that's one of the biggest reasons. Which, as you said, is not love at all.

Exactly – NH fans that I’ve spoken with seem to believe that the way Naruto changed Hinata’s life and inspired her is something unique to only her relationship with Naruto when that is his basis with every relationship that he has in the series – hell, he’s even inspired Kabuto in a weird and twisted way.

It’s just the kind of person that Naruto is (as Temari said, “You[Naruto] have the power to change people,”)

And you're right about the really subtle use of jealousy as a motivator. Sakura does realize Hinata made some kind of big sacrifice for Naruto. It's debatable whether she knew about the confession (the translations are a bit weird, I mean), but she certainly understood the intent. And yeah, I tend to agree that it didn't sit well with her. We don't know what Sakura was thinking about when she healed Hinata, but it is clear that by the time Naruto returns she had been thinking about him, his role and how others (at least Hinata, but probably more people) saw him. Hinata's strong feelings may have brought to the surface some strong feelings of her own. Not through jealousy, in the traditional sense, but through comparison. Sometime the feelings of others have a way of shedding light on our own hidden feelings.

Exactly, especially in regards to the last line you wrote – though I’m not so sure that its necessarily much of a motivator for the characters involved, so much as another subtle way Kishimoto is showing the relationship dynamics in the series.

I find it telling that you can find little hints that all tie in together over the course of the series like that, things that subtly support the idea that Naruto and Sakura are the ones that are going to get together at the end of the series.

And I think the same about Sasuke with Naruto and Sasuke, however it is more jealousy in the traditional sense. Sasuke was keenly aware when Sakura noticed Naruto besting him at something. There were a few times, but the biggest was on the rooftop I think, when Sasuke said Naruto saved her from Gaara and she turns her gaze to Naruto. Sasuke is clearly pissed. He's jealous of Naruto, and I think he's jealous of the drop in attention. Not that he wants Sakura's love, but that he expects it. And for Sakura to love Naruto would mean that Naruto was better than him. So I think jealousy was another motivator in those relationships.

It’s easy to see that Sasuke was jealous over Naruto’s quick growth and progress – though how much of that specifically has to do with Sakura’s attention to him is debatable. It’s odd that he would be jealous over Naruto getting the attention from Sakura that he normally gets when he was the one to insist that Naruto saved her and how she hasn’t seen the real him. Moreover, Sakura was giving him her undivided attention at the moment his jealousy and frustration reached the boiling point; in which he lashed out at Sakura, and then Naruto.

But it's so important to note that Naruto was never jealous of Sakura's love for Sasuke. He was hurt, and motivated to win her affection, but never jealous. He never condemned her for loving him or acted like he was less of a person for her choosing Sasuke. Which is unconditional love, right from the start, even though he'd never had any.

And this carries through to the confession too, as you've said. That Naruto thinks she's hiding something. He doesn't condemn her love, just questions her motives.

The only time I can recall Naruto being jealous over Sakura with another guy(though maybe it was more a general disgruntlement) is the time in the FoD where Lee promised that the next time they met he would be a stronger man and Sakura smiled back at him.

Other than that, Naruto was more jealous of Sasuke upstaging him in general.

And I do agree that Naruto’s love is very unconditional and pure – he has seen Sakura at her best and at her worst over the years and still loves her. The same goes for Sakura to Naruto – I feel that the love she has shown Naruto is incredibly selfless as opposed to her love for Sasuke, which Kishi deemed “genuine” but “selfish”.

paptala and tricksie, wonderful thoughts, I love reading your posts!

Thanks so much! ^__^

Oh, I have a question: about this nindo stuff, so... didn't Hinata just copied Naruto's?? She heard him saying it out loud and: bang! this is my nindo too now... : mellow :

Yeah, pretty much. Sharing the same nindo is not nearly as impressive or grand a thing once you realize that she didn’t have that nindo until she saw that Naruto had it. That’s emulating someone, not sharing a deep commonality.

2) Paptela Thank you for first reading my entire post and secondly critiquing in an amazing fashion

No problem! I love debating and discussing NaruSaku and Naruto pairings in general : - )

3) The Narusaku moments you put up aren't loading, but as long as there are moments I'm happy. But are they good and meaningful, like him protecting her,talking to her, hangin out, or something like the Yammato moment?

Some are pretty meaningful, some are pretty minor – but I’ll post them again, this time from a different source and they should work : - )

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4) Paptela u said you could see sakura with someone else, could u elaborate, because that is not good news.

It’s not so much that I think Sakura is going to end up with someone else, as much as I can see it as a minor possibility. A very minor possibility.

5) Just out of curiosity is Naruto coming to an end?

The manga will likely continue for another year or two, as far as I can tell.

I just realize that there is a misconception with the word "The Big 3", it's suppose to be NaruSaku, NaruSasu & SasuSaku because is all about Team 7 and NH is only a secondary pairing not relative to the story (it can almost be seen as fanmade).

I completely agree – the romantic subplot is focused around the Team 7 love triangle. Hinata’s feelings are a minor addition that I feel plays very little part in the actual team 7 relationships.

Was she mentioned or brought up during any NaruSaku or SasuSaku or SasuNaru moments? No – because she has nothing to do with either of those relationships. The ONLY one that Hinata was a small part of was her smile during the hug, which I feel was Hinata’s answer to her confession for the readers benefit – she knew how Naruto felt for Sakura, and is simply happy that he will be happy.

Edited by Paptala, 27 April 2011 - 12:52 AM.

[bthug]

Thank you once again paptela, but i have more questions, srry lol.

So do you think NaruSaku is guaranteed?

Also do you think Naruto will die? I can see that happening something like him becoming Hokage then if he goes to fight Saskue and they both die or he just dies fighting saskue, which honestly just suck. I mean he is the main character and his dream is to become Hokage.

[The Tax-Man]

Thank you once again paptela, but i have more questions, srry lol.

So do you think NaruSaku is guaranteed?

Also do you think Naruto will die? I can see that happening something like him becoming Hokage then if he goes to fight Saskue and they both die or he just dies fighting saskue, which honestly just suck. I mean he is the main character and his dream is to become Hokage.

LOL it sounds like you're interviewing.

NaruSaku isn't guaranteed. Nothing is. Though it has had a lot of development and I don't need to say much more. It would be best if it did happen. Either that or Kishi just gives us a hint and ends in a cliffy. Which is unlikely so I guess you could say it is kind of bound to happen, in a way.

He could die. Not likely but possible. Most likely he'll live. By now we're getting close to the climax and I can see that he wont die. The one who's most likely to die is Sasuke. Really. He's saying that they'll both die when they fight but Sasuke will probably see the light or something near the end. Then either they both make it or Sasuke dies. The only way I can see Sasuke redeeming himself is by saving Naruto. And Sasuke's redemption is a big issue. So I doubt Naruto would die in the manga. He isn't immortal but He probably won't die in the resolution.


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You DO realize you've been saying Paptala's name wrong all the time right?

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 April 2011 - 01:22 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

Well not that I don't agree with you but Whats the harm with Making Naruto stronger on his own Yes having the Kyuubi is part of the story and yes its his power but still what DOES that do for him personally? and and as naruto-z suggested what if Kishimoto is planning on having the Juubi appear by having all nine Bijuu extracted what would Naruto do then hmm,hmm? Would be pretty weak without Kyuubi wouldn't he? I WANT him to be strong as a ninja, not just as a bijuu host any can be strong by being a host and IF the Kyuubi is taken from him what has he got? The moral of my thinking is that you can't rely on a power thats not yours or that be taken from you. YES I want Naruto to perfectly control Kyuubi and be the perfect host like Killer Bee but Whats more important is that he grows as a person and develop his own powers not just abuse a convenient source of strength that may not have even been given to him so I agree that he keep the Kyuubi and use it to prove a host can be happy and it is a part of him but I want him to be a supreme Ninja even with out a bijuu no other Kage in in history was marked as great or memorable because they had a bijuu's power and even then its not only cause of that it was because of their own strength they developed through hard work and maybe for some a great lineage so I want Naruto to be like that

It has nothing to do with him being this perfect host, it has to do with him rising above that dark and sinister nature of the Kyuubi and still be content with him. Still being someone while he has that "demon" fox inside him. You ask what it does for him personally? Have you read that last 536 chapters of the manga? I mean it's done everything for him. All the hate, all the uncertainty as a kid because he was the host has made him who he was. His struggle above it is the reason Naruto is such an inspiration him. I mean there are other ninja who are powerful without the Kyuubi but they were never treated with as much contempt and hate as Naruto. So it has done for him quite a bit.

[bthug]

Lol yea sorry for the questions, its just that I'm really new to all this.
And sorry Patala

Also i just watched chapter 458 on youtube and that completely changes the feelings behind chapter 469.
Now it's so much clearer that it was a honest confession. She was hysterical crying when Sai reminded her that she made naruto make a promise and that she too was causing him pain now chapter 469 makes more sense. She tells him to let go of the promise so that he can stop hurting and she also tells him she loves him cause he has been wanting to say it but cant because of the promise.

Also i believe that when Kiba asked her if she should tell him the truth and she stomps on his foot is because she is telling the truth.

[The Tax-Man]

Lol yea sorry for the questions, its just that I'm really new to all this.
And sorry Patala

Also i just watched chapter 458 on youtube and that completely changes the feelings behind chapter 469.
Now it's so much clearer that it was a honest confession. She was hysterical crying when Sai reminded her that she made naruto make a promise and that she too was causing him pain now chapter 469 makes more sense. She tells him to let go of the promise so that he can stop hurting and she also tells him she loves him cause he has been wanting to say it but cant because of the promise.

Also i believe that when Kiba asked her if she should tell him the truth and she stomps on his foot is because she is telling the truth.

No problem. That's what it's for. And it's Paptala LOL

Anyway, she stepped on his foot because she didn't want to tell Naruto about their decision to kill Sasuke. Kiba wasn't talking about the confession. He wanted her to tell him but she didn't want to cause him pain.

On another note, how do you WATCH a chapter? Just go to mangafox or mangareader. It's much easier. Or maybe you meant you watched the episode I guess.

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@OmegaMan,
Exactly.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 April 2011 - 02:31 AM.

[bthug]

No problem. That's what it's for. And it's Paptala LOL

Anyway, she stepped on his foot because she didn't want to tell Naruto about their decision to kill Sasuke. Kiba wasn't talking about the confession. He wanted her to tell him but she didn't want to cause him pain.

On another note, how do you WATCH a chapter? Just go to mangafox or mangareader. It's much easier. Or maybe you meant you watched the episode I guess.

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@OmegaMan,
Exactly.

Yea i watched the chapter of the manga on youtube and i also watched the episode and LMAO epic fail PAPTALA lol

But like I was saying her confession makes alot more sense after watching 458.

I loved how she was hysterical crying cause she's cause naruto so much pain and i thought it was cute how naruto was telling sai "how could I, I cant even keep my promise to her" awwwww

[Phantom_999]

Why is it that you believe it must make an appearance again? There is no reason. It's pointless and too obvious for a professional manga artist. Plus, it's already impossible. You need the full Kyuubi. Not half. But half is sealed in the death god. There's no way Madara's getting it from there so expect a usual villain plan-foul now.




Problem in your argument. NO. Not anyone can control a Bijuu. THAT'S great about Naruto and Bee. And Kyuubi is a part of Naruto. He CAN'T be stripped of it now. Your argument is like I said, cliched and unrealistic. Kyuubi is a part of him and therefore it's his own power since HE controlled it. He did develop his OWN powers as per you. Kyuubi IS his own. You gettin' this or do I have to repeat? It's not abuse. You are seriously thinking all Naruto is is Kyuubi. Uh...no s**t he uses it it's IN him and there for a reason. Give him credit. He has his own strength man. NOT anyone can do what he does 'kay? Like I said, a morally correct and cheesy ending is ANNOYING and CLICHE.

Sorry if that sounded like a rant btw. I had a hard day.

DUDE how is wanting him to grow strong being cheesy and unrealistic? This ISN'T a realistic manga for starters and I didn't say had to be him saying OH I don't need the Kyuubi's power I can protect my friends on my own anything like THAT I meant I'll become Stronger with or without the Kyuubi And okay maybe thats cheesy to you but non the less I understand how important Growing on one's own is any power given to someone can always be taken away plain and simple its a cliche. And one thing Naruto is FULL of cheesy lines and Ideals so are you saying you've got problem with the whole thing? If thats what you think okay we'll end here before it spreads out of hand

[Nate River]

you don't even see typical tsunderes say for instance Kagome/Sango from Inuyasha, Akane from Ranma1/2 or Naru from Love Hina get THIS much hate just for being tsundere.......well at least to my knowledge. so what do you think? does this make sense?

I don't know....

The hate against Akane is almost legendary. I think it probably set the bar for hate against tsundere characters. There is plenty of Kagome hate; Naru too. If you take into account fandom size and series popularity, I thought Naru-bashers were some of the more frequent offenders.

Anyway, all the characters you mentioned are routinely ripped for their treatment of the main character.

[The Tax-Man]

DUDE how is wanting him to grow strong being cheesy and unrealistic? This ISN'T a realistic manga for starters and I didn't say had to be him saying OH I don't need the Kyuubi's power I can protect my friends on my own anything like THAT I meant I'll become Stronger with or without the Kyuubi And okay maybe thats cheesy to you but non the less I understand how important Growing on one's own is any power given to someone can always be taken away plain and simple its a cliche. And one thing Naruto is FULL of cheesy lines and Ideals so are you saying you've got problem with the whole thing? If thats what you think okay we'll end here before it spreads out of hand

To think about it I didn't make much sense. Well I was half asleep so...

What I meant was that he IS strong on his own. But I think you said he would have it extracted and that's what I was going on about. Meh. You're saying now that he needs to be strong on his own and I'm sayin' no s**t. That's the whole point. He WILL train more in the future but he must grow as a Jinchuuriki too. Pretty much what Omega said. Forgive my half-asleep tired mind.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 April 2011 - 03:36 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

Why is it that you believe it must make an appearance again? There is no reason. It's pointless and too obvious for a professional manga artist. Plus, it's already impossible. You need the full Kyuubi. Not half. But half is sealed in the death god. There's no way Madara's getting it from there so expect a usual villain plan-foul now.

How is the bijuu reviving less cliche than a "usual villain plan-foul? I agree having the kyuubi taken out from him after all that he has developed with it would suck but I personally would like to keep an open mind. If Kishi were to do that he'll probably have a good reason for it. Having the bijuu revived can open up alot of other opportunities for things to happen. Maybe Naruto ends up being the bijuu jinchuriki just like the SOSP? Maybe Naruto will find a way to destroy its existence forever, no more sealing required (this is quite cliched but heck). My ideas suck so maybe he can come up with a better one. My point is just don't write anything off just because you think its too common or something. If its possible, then it can happen. Heck Naruto may not be with anyone in the end for all I know.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 27 April 2011 - 04:14 AM.

[bthug]

I also wanted to add that the opening song bluebird is probably the perfect song for Narusaku, I have no idea what it means but it just sounds so good and perfect.
Matter of fact that song and the couple of episodes after the Sora filler arc, where we saw great Narusaku moments such as Sakura bringing Naruto food with notes while he trained and watched him from a safe distance. Also the fact that Naruto kept all the notes and he even kept it near his heart while he was sleeping. Sakura also IMO shed a tear for him in her room and was thinking about him. All of that coupled with the opening blue bird made me love the anime more then I did, I liked it before, but now I love it and feel like I have something personal invested in it. Sorry I'm babbling

Also I'm starting to feel sad for Naruto it seems like he is going to start going through a lot of hard times, ( I'm only on episode 78, but I read a bunch of spoilers for the sake of Narusaku)

And one more thing do you think we would ever get a Narusaku love/sex/implied sex scene? Either one? ( How great would that be)

[The Tax-Man]

How is the bijuu reviving less cliche than a "usual villain plan-foul? I agree having the kyuubi taken out from him after all that he has developed with it would suck but I personally would like to keep an open mind. If Kishi were to do that he'll probably have a good reason for it. Having the bijuu revived can open up alot of other opportunities for things to happen. Maybe Naruto ends up being the bijuu jinchuriki just like the SOSP? Maybe Naruto will find a way to destroy its existence forever, no more sealing required (this is quite cliched but heck). My ideas suck so maybe he can come up with a better one. My point is just don't write anything off just because you think its too common or something. If its possible, then it can happen. Heck Naruto may not be with anyone in the end for all I know.

That's what I was trying to say. I just didn't agree with your scenario. I just want a better reason than that. There is no way I can predict what he's going to do so I can't do much. I just want a better explanation, a better plot-direction, or just leave it as it is. I know it can have opportunities. Just that the extracted and gone forever thing doesn't fit. THAT'S what's cliched. He just shouldn't have the power taken. Maybe substituted but not taken. Because that would feel cliched even if it isn't. Heck now even the word cliche is cliched.

I also wanted to add that the opening song bluebird is probably the perfect song for Narusaku, I have no idea what it means but it just sounds so good and perfect.
Matter of fact that song and the couple of episodes after the Sora filler arc, where we saw great Narusaku moments such as Sakura bringing Naruto food with notes while he trained and watched him from a safe distance. Also the fact that Naruto kept all the notes and he even kept it near his heart while he was sleeping. Sakura also IMO shed a tear for him in her room and was thinking about him. All of that coupled with the opening blue bird made me love the anime more then I did, I liked it before, but now I love it and feel like I have something personal invested in it. Sorry I'm babbling

Also I'm starting to feel sad for Naruto it seems like he is going to start going through a lot of hard times, ( I'm only on episode 78, but I read a bunch of spoilers for the sake of Narusaku)

And one more thing do you think we would ever get a Narusaku love/sex/implied sex scene? Either one? ( How great would that be)

It's about Sasuke. It's about how he left etc. It certainly doesn't fit in with NaruSaku... But that's just me.

Oh you're WAY behind BTW. Try and read the manga ahead. It's way more accurate and concise. Plus it's faster to get through.

Ah yes it'd be great!

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 April 2011 - 04:55 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

That's what I was trying to say. I just didn't agree with your scenario. I just want a better reason than that. There is no way I can predict what he's going to do so I can't do much. I just want a better explanation, a better plot-direction, or just leave it as it is. I know it can have opportunities. Just that the extracted and gone forever thing doesn't fit. THAT'S what's cliched. He just shouldn't have the power taken. Maybe substituted but not taken. Because that would feel cliched even if it isn't. Heck now even the word cliche is cliched.

Yeah we have absolutely no information to use to support whether the biju will be revived or not. We can only use our personal opinions and comparison with other plot templates in the meantime. Unlike pairing debates where we can use some events and moments to support it happening.

[The Tax-Man]

Yeah we have absolutely no information to use to support whether the biju will be revived or not. We can only use our personal opinions and comparison with other plot templates in the meantime. Unlike pairing debates where we can use some events and moments to support it happening.

Yeah. It just gets weird when we think too little in our speculations or think WAY too much. But aren't we off topic anyway?