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[Nostradamus]

 

It's not much of a reset button, she's always still cared about Sasuke (whether it be love or not), it's just that Kishimoto hasn't allowed her to grow up about it and be pro-active.

 

I'm surprised how many people still believe that there'll be a part 3. First of all, it's a rare occurrence anime, secondly hasn't Kishimoto stated somewhere in an interview that Naruto is nearing it's end? He's going to be working on a new series isn't he?

Yes we know she's always cared about Sasuke, that's perfectly normal and acceptable. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like you stated he doesn't allow Sakura to get past Sasuke. He constantly needs to remind the readers that Sakura's love for Sasuke is damaging to her. But it's done so badly to the point where the readers start to hate her more and more. We get it already Sakura loving Sasuke is bad, move along.

 

Part 3 mostly because of the new movie. No one really knows yet how the movie connects with the manga and if it connects with it. That's why most people are saying part 3 is going to happen, because of the information regarding the new movie.

Edited by Nostradamus, 29 September 2014 - 02:16 AM.

[ultranx]

Oh! Great, so perhaps you could provide us with Viz's translations when they release 693.

sure, be happy to, I'll even try to printscreen the pages if you want ^_^ I'm actually surprised no one asked anyone what the 631 translation was like or to printscreen it, in viz's version you could tell even more naruto was saying yes and not joking in the minato moment xD 

[DattebayoXShannaro]

The purpose of placing Sakura in the Genjutsu is that we'll be treated to a scene when she wakes up.  That's the only reason I can think of.  Naruto vs. Sasuke is the main focus, but that doesn't mean there won't be plot points going on behind the scenes.  I still believe Kishimoto still plans on completing Sakura's character after Kakashi has gotten his focus.  I would believe Naruto vs. Sasuke would be the only thing focused on from now on if Sasuke didn't put her in a genjutsu.  It's a plot point to get back to her later during the fight.  Regarding Sakura, I imagine that when she comes to that she'll completely break down.  She once believed she caught up with the boys in chapter 632, only to be proven wrong later.  It's heartbreaking because between now and the beginning, she'll feel that nothing's changed at all.  She's still looking at the boy's backs, completely powerless, whether it's to save Sasuke or support Naruto.  All she can do is just sit and wait, and that kills her more than anything.

[Evil Potato]

I believe the point everyone is missing is simply this: Sakura's character was developed to show that she isn't fickle. Her and Naruto share the same trait when it comes to Sasuke, they both will always care about Sasuke as someone they consider their family. Kakashi mentioned Sakura's loving character. She is someone who can't kill the love in her heart she has for someone else. I regard to this chapter, I feel like it being similar to the part 1 ending was intentional. Not to degrade or ruin part 2 character development, but to show that they didn't develop away from their core design.

 

I agree, I wasn't a huge fan of this chapter, but I just don't believe it to ruin NS development. The development is still there. It wasn't nullified. All that occured  was Kishi reinforcing Sakura's core character. Her heart is not like the autumn skies or w/e she claimed. This also doesn't mean she doesn't love Naruto. All we need is for this fight to finish and Naruto to fulfill the promise he made to Sakura. As soon as that is done, I believe we will have our NS - and I really don't think it will be bittersweet.

 

My problem with this whole thing is simply put ---- This is a shonen manga and Kishi never should have made multiple pairing interactions. He jammed way too much romance in an action manga, I believe at the sacrifice of some great character development. I really wanted to see some of the great character development like we got from part 1, or part 2's team 10 arc with Hidan and Kakuza. Wish he would have put some more development in the manga for the other teams.

 

He made NS as the main pairing, he developed them together on purpose and showed that the start of that pairing was the end of the POAL. Just wish he would not lead everyone on with these multiple pairings.

[KnS]

I'm sorry but I disagree with this. Now there's no doubt NaruSaku will be the end pairing. But if it's done like that then it's an empty victory.

Within one chapter Kishimoto nullified all the development Naruto and Sakura had in the entire part 2. Yes those moments are still there, but we found out that they meant nothing.

 

I don't know how it is you can be so certain, but whatever.  I don't believe the "it all meant nothing" call can be made until we see the rest of the story.

If Kishi is going for the forehead comment and this makes NS canon, then he basically admits that Naruto and Sakura have no real bond, that Sakura didn't chose him because he is the guy that makes her happy, understands her, supports her. Sakura only ended up choosing him because of one fantasy line.

 

I find several issues with this.

 

1. I merely said I expect to see the bench scene revisited. I did not say I expected it to be sufficient to give depth to NS. We don't know yet how Sakura will react to this last exchange with Sasuke, or what Kakashi may say to her.  Or what Naruto may say or do yet before it's over.

 

Personally, I think it's pretty ridiculous to be so resolute in assuming we can know exactly where things stand or what they mean when the most intense parts of the resolution lie ahead.  It may turn out really dumb and shallow, or it may not.  The point is that right now we don't actually know.

 

2. Many people still appear to be reacting as if they believed that Naruto and Sakura were going to be head over heels in sappy love for each other and shown in bed together by the last page of the manga.  That has never been promised, and looks less likely with chapters like #693.

 

It might be that the manga ends with Sakura finally past her feelings for Sasuke, with Naruto finally confessing his love and interest in her, and their mutual decision to pursue a romantic relationship.  Looking at that as a possibility, then everything isn't "ruined" but on track to get them on the right road.

It's shallow and quite frankly pathetic if that's the way NS becomes canon.

 

Well, that's certainly one attitude to take, but I'm not interested in negativity.  I had my little snit about the chapter and now it's time to move on.

[luffyq1]

The purpose of placing Sakura in the Genjutsu is that we'll be treated to a scene when she wakes up.  That's the only reason I can think of.  Naruto vs. Sasuke is the main focus, but that doesn't mean there won't be plot points going on behind the scenes.  I still believe Kishimoto still plans on completing Sakura's character after Kakashi has gotten his focus.  I would believe Naruto vs. Sasuke would be the only thing focused on from now on if Sasuke didn't put her in a genjutsu.  It's a plot point to get back to her later during the fight.  Regarding Sakura, I imagine that when she comes to that she'll completely break down.  She once believed she caught up with the boys in chapter 632, only to be proven wrong later.  It's heartbreaking because between now and the beginning, she'll feel that nothing's changed at all.  She's still looking at the boy's backs, completely powerless, whether it's to save Sasuke or support Naruto.  All she can do is just sit and wait, and that kills her more than anything.

I just can't see her getting involved in this fight. Sasuke specifically used a genjutsu on her so she won't interfere and even if she does wake up, what exactly can she do? As much as this pains me to say this, she's useless in this situation. She doesn't have the power or the strong bond like Naruto has to influence Sasuke. Maybe she'll wake up after the fight is over because if she wakes up during the fight and makes it there to the scene she'll just get in the way. It's best that she stays asleep. Don't want another repeat of the rooftop interference. Even Naruto would tell her to stay out of it like he's done so before.

Edited by luffyq1, 29 September 2014 - 02:55 AM.

[BlazingDynamo]

I just can't see her getting involved in this fight. Sasuke specifically used a genjutsu on her so she won't interfere and even if she does wake up, what exactly can she do? As much as this pains me to say this, she's useless in this situation. She doesn't have the power or the strong bond like Naruto has to influence Sasuke. Maybe she'll wake up after the fight is over because if she wakes up during the fight and makes it there to the scene she'll just get in the way. It's best that she stays asleep. Don't want another repeat of the rooftop interference. Even Naruto would tell her to stay out of it like he's done so before.

Also to add Kakashi can't grab both of their arms and throw them away this time like he did before at the hospital lol

[James S Cassidy]

 

I don't know how it is you can be so certain, but whatever.  I don't believe the "it all meant nothing" call can be made until we see the rest of the story.

 

I find several issues with this.

 

1. I merely said I expect to see the bench scene revisited. I did not say I expected it to be sufficient to give depth to NS. We don't know yet how Sakura will react to this last exchange with Sasuke, or what Kakashi may say to her.  Or what Naruto may say or do yet before it's over.

 

Personally, I think it's pretty ridiculous to be so resolute in assuming we can know exactly where things stand or what they mean when the most intense parts of the resolution lie ahead.  It may turn out really dumb and shallow, or it may not.  The point is that right now we don't actually know.

 

2. Many people still appear to be reacting as if they believed that Naruto and Sakura were going to be head over heels in sappy love for each other and shown in bed together by the last page of the manga.  That has never been promised, and looks less likely with chapters like #693.

 

It might be that the manga ends with Sakura finally past her feelings for Sasuke, with Naruto finally confessing his love and interest in her, and their mutual decision to pursue a romantic relationship.  Looking at that as a possibility, then everything isn't "ruined" but on track to get them on the right road.

 

 

Well, that's certainly one attitude to take, but I'm not interested in negativity.  I had my little snit about the chapter and now it's time to move on.

This all reminds me of the Teen Titans Robin and Starfire relationship. The series didn't have them get together at all, but when the movie of Trouble is Tokyo came out, they finally became official with all the characters saying "Well, it is about time."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 September 2014 - 04:10 AM.

[Luna]

This all reminds me of the Teen Titans Robin and Starfire relationship. The series didn't have then get together at all, but when the movie of Trouble is Tokyo came out, they finally became official with all the characters saying "Well, it is about time."

To think their first kiss was brought up in the movie. Forehead scene may be brought up

[Lilac]

The thing about Richard and Starfire is that they have a history together in the comics. Richard has had multiple love interests, though, like Barbara (my favorite) So that was a huge give in, since SF was the one there. (So weird not to call him by his nickname, LOL)

Edited by Lilac, 29 September 2014 - 03:39 AM.

[rocci]

@luffy
Sakura will get stab if she join naru vs sasu. I like it.

@ultranx
What happen if your prediction doesn't happen(sakura tsukoyomi realization)?

[Iwantbuns]

Also to add Kakashi can't grab both of their arms and throw them away this time like he did before at the hospital lol

 

Lol xD Right... if only things were that simple anymore.

 

Sasuke vs Naruto just got more serious :o I'm excited >.<

[Hiraishin]

sure, be happy to, I'll even try to printscreen the pages if you want ^_^ I'm actually surprised no one asked anyone what the 631 translation was like or to printscreen it, in viz's version you could tell even more naruto was saying yes and not joking in the minato moment xD 

Yeah, that'd be great!

Haha, really? And, I guess we just never knew one of our members was subscribed to sja. At least, I didn't. It's good to know!

I just can't see her getting involved in this fight. Sasuke specifically used a genjutsu on her so she won't interfere and even if she does wake up, what exactly can she do? As much as this pains me to say this, she's useless in this situation. She doesn't have the power or the strong bond like Naruto has to influence Sasuke. Maybe she'll wake up after the fight is over because if she wakes up during the fight and makes it there to the scene she'll just get in the way. It's best that she stays asleep. Don't want another repeat of the rooftop interference. Even Naruto would tell her to stay out of it like he's done so before.

Wouldn't want Sakura to make a fool of herself again anyway.

[James S Cassidy]

The thing about Richard and Starfire is that they have a history together in the comics. Richard has had multiple love interests, though, like Barbara (my favorite) So that was a huge give in, since SF was the one there. (So weird not to call him by his nickname, LOL)

Yeah, but the DC comics are always on going unlike manga. Plus the tv series I am referring to didn't have a long run either so I could argue it was it;s own separate thing away from the comics.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 September 2014 - 04:14 AM.

[ultranx]

@rocci

I'm pretty sure it will, with how much of the tsukiyomi stuff played out just like the movie so far, the dream versions of the characters in their dreams are basically like the canon equivalent to the AU world characters in road to ninja, especially sai in ino's dream, we know he was never serious with calling her beautiful since he had his emotions locked away and all and how he could be, not to mention the lee and guy in tenten's dream xD but my theory isn't just the tsukiyomi, its the tsukiyomi for sakura and the 2011 ova events combined. even if this doesn't play out like that i'm sure the 2011 ova is gonna come true, every bit of it except tobi and kabuto, even naruto looking to be dead and sakura crying over him. I have been predicting it since the ova first came out and ever since this chapter I have been getting massive vibes about it, and considering I predicted dragon ball and yu yu hakusho's endings, in fact now that i think about it this reminds me of yu yu hakusho, it looked like keiko and yusuke wouldn't get together for a while too to people I remember because of keiko avoiding yusuke for a time and them being away from eachother for so long, and it still happened. not to mention inuyasha and how it played out, with inuyasha loving someone else at first before kagome. and it still happened.

 @james

actually that's true, that's what most of them are, completely seperate adaptions from the comics, except for some of the animated movies like some of the superman ones, but the teen titans cartoon is in fact a completely seperate canon. same with one of my favorite old dc shows batman beyond, no I didn't like the whole thing how he was bruce's son before anyone asks, but at the same time I kinda expected it, because I'm a long time sci fi fan too, I would always watch sci fi stuff with my dad and uncle, my uncle also got me into video games in the first place with the nes, we were really close, i miss him, he passed away back in 2001.  but anyways I just liked the whole concept of batman beyond even still, and all the new abilities were pretty cool. I don't know this because I keep track of the comics, that'd be hard because the majority of comics I haven't read, only comics I know even a bit of the plot of are the sonic and megaman ones, dc and marvel have too many continuities. I just know it because a close friend of mine knows this kinda stuff and told me 

 

@ hiraishin  

yeah ^_^ in fact I remember translators here compared the mangapanda and mangastream translations to the raws and the one unchanged and more like the raws was mangapanda, and the viz version was like the improved version of mangapanda's when I saw it xD its why I still don't get why people still believe mangastream has always gotta be the correct translation and viz has to be wrong, that time proved otherwise. I'm starting to think viz has a different translator doing the work

Edited by ultranx, 29 September 2014 - 04:45 AM.

[Lilac]

Yeah, but the DC comics are always on going unlike manga. Plus the tv series I am referring to didn't have a long run either so I could argue it was it;s own separate thing away from the comics.

 

It was still pretty obvious if you were familiar with some of the comic timelines, IMO. I'll give you that Richard in that TT wasn't very Richard-esque. It was more like they grafted Tim's personality onto Richard's future, lol.

Edited by Lilac, 29 September 2014 - 04:52 AM.

[narusaku256]

Limited Tsukiyomi....definately not a bad idea. But to be brutally honest in here......tossing between the N vs S battle and Sakura's resolution AND of course how can I forget the tons of flashbacks from both Sakura and N vs S, the resolution and the whole battle would eat not less than 30 chapters. Does Kishi really have the patience and time to go on uptil this? By taking a look at the things, I fear...NOT!

[Lilac]

If Kishi has to choose between resolving the romantic subplot or having Naruto and Sasuke fighting/flashbacking/flirting talking to each other, well....I highly doubt he'd choose the former over the latter.

Edited by Lilac, 29 September 2014 - 04:52 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

@luffy
Sakura will get stab if she join naru vs sasu. I like it.

Lmfao. I thought you FINALLY gave up on that idea?

[rocci]

Lmfao. I thought you FINALLY gave up on that idea?

I will give up if the war arc end. Since kishi goes straight to naru vs sasu instead of making an arc of it, my prediction still alive.