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[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Agreed. I know I have. I used to say ''Hinata only admires Naruto, not loves him,'' as I heard it in Heronite's essay. I will admit to that.

But even with confirmation, there will always be denial. I suppose two hugs and one ''I love you'' isn't enough to convince someone.

Your Right Froot.
THe Values Dissonance still apply here

[RedDelicious]

Agreed. I know I have. I used to say ''Hinata only admires Naruto, not loves him,'' as I heard it in Heronite's essay. I will admit to that.

Hinata hasn't demonstrated yet that her "love" goes beyond a fan-girl crush of a rock star or sports figure.

When she starts showing interest in Naruto's personality or his past, beyond the "failure doesn't keep him down", then there might be some depth to her feelings.

[Jenskott]

Agreed. I know I have. I used to say ''Hinata only admires Naruto, not loves him,'' as I heard it in Heronite's essay. I will admit to that.

Personally, when she appeared for first time and Naruto mentioned she freaked him out because she was constantly glancing at him for some reason, I thought maybe she had a crush on him. Her posterior behaviour -blushing, stammering and getting nervous when she was around him- reinforced that belief.

Nonetheless, I reckoned she would be the classic, shy secondary character who had a crush on the main character but never hooks up with him. So the nature of her feelings didn't alter my opinion of NaruSaku would become canon.

However I agree her crush was born out of admiration, and she behaved like a fangirl (Do you remember the fainting instances? I know I do it. Poor Hinata. Her crush really did no good to her).

But even with confirmation, there will always be denial. I suppose two hugs and one ''I love you'' isn't enough to convince someone.

No, of course not.

Naruto's feelings towards Sakura was the first established and confirmed crush in this manga, and for Naruto himself. Still, non-NS shippers tried brushing it off stating he was a lonely kid and he knew nothing about love, so obviously he was mistaken.

I find such an argument pitiful and it can be used against any relationship you dislike. If you are going to argue Naruto's thoughts, words and actions don't confirm he loves Sakura, then you also could argue Hinata's thoughts, words and actions don't confirm she loves Naruto.

I couldn't have said it better myself. It's obvious she isn't choosing Sasuke - especially after her talk about him being a dangerous criminal she could never love. So now, it's down to Naruto and Sakura; Will they or won't they?

That's what I think, too.

Makes me wonder what 2010 will bring.

Hopefully, the end of Naruto. I don't want the story drags out further.

Your Right Froot.
THe Values Dissonance still apply here

Such are the ways of the shippers.

[ciardha]

But even with confirmation, there will always be denial. I suppose two hugs and one ''I love you'' isn't enough to convince someone.

Plus flirting in an overt way the first time Sakura saw Naruto in 2 1/2 years: smiling, blushing, coyly flirtatiously looking at him and with an invitation to look at her body in an overtly sexual way.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Plus flirting in an overt way the first time Sakura saw Naruto in 2 1/2 years: smiling, blushing, coyly flirtatiously looking at him and with an invitation to look at her body in an overtly sexual way.

I agree ciardha
I have been using this scenario in the debate with the other fandoms but the are still stating its platonic or it had a bro/sis relationship.

[Froot]

Hinata hasn't demonstrated yet that her "love" goes beyond a fan-girl crush of a rock star or sports figure.

Now that you've mentioned it, you're right. She's even a martyr, ready to die. Sounds like hero worship. If it were Sakura, she wouldn't have wasted her time trying to charge into her death after a big speech, but would have rather actually tried to save Naruto. More reason to believe Hinata's confession was a Hinata moment and a Hinata moment only.

When she starts showing interest in Naruto's personality or his past, beyond the "failure doesn't keep him down", then there might be some depth to her feelings.

Like I've said, Naruto and Hinata know strictly nothing about each other. Poor Naruto was probably shocked to death when she confessed. It's like having a stranger come up to you and tell you they've been in love with you all along and are willing to die for you. Then you fall in love with them suddenly just because they've confessed. Forget the part about already being in love with someone. Sakura who?

Personally, when she appeared for first time and Naruto mentioned she freaked him out because she was constantly glancing at him for some reason, I thought maybe she had a crush on him. Her posterior behaviour -blushing, stammering and getting nervous when she was around him- reinforced that belief.

Nonetheless, I reckoned she would be the classic, shy secondary character who had a crush on the main character but never hooks up with him. So the nature of her feelings didn't alter my opinion of NaruSaku would become canon.

Just an archetypical secondary shy character. Though back then she was so minor I didn't even consider her a red herring.

However I agree her crush was born out of admiration, and she behaved like a fangirl

What else could her crush have been born out of? It's not like she knew him personally or anything.

Do you remember the fainting instances? I know I do it. Poor Hinata. Her crush really did no good to her

Just unhealthy

Naruto's feelings towards Sakura was the first established and confirmed crush in this manga, and for Naruto himself. Still, non-NS shippers tried brushing it off stating he was a lonely kid and he knew nothing about love, so obviously he was mistaken.

Yet he suddenly loves Hinata because -- Oh, he's loved her all along! If that's the case, then he really doesn't know anything about love.

I find such an argument pitiful and it can be used against any relationship you dislike. If you are going to argue Naruto's thoughts, words and actions don't confirm he loves Sakura, then you also could argue Hinata's thoughts, words and actions don't confirm she loves Naruto.

Of course. "Hinata was just desperate and naive back then, what could she know about love?" or "Sasuke came from a dysfunctional family, what could he know about love?" In fact, I daresay Naruto knows the most about love, having lived without it then finding it apodictically in his friends and team mates

Hopefully, the end of Naruto. I don't want the story drags out further.

Watch it go on for like, five more years

Plus flirting in an overt way the first time Sakura saw Naruto in 2 1/2 years: smiling, blushing, coyly flirtatiously looking at him and with an invitation to look at her body in an overtly sexual way.

Yes. Basically, she was saying "Naruto, is my body more developed?" I don't know about you guys, but I would never ask my brother that.

I have been using this scenario in the debate with the other fandoms but the are still stating its platonic or it had a bro/sis relationship.

Phearts, my advice to you... Give up on that. They'll cling to their beliefs through hell and back. But I have to give them credit... They are pretty persistent.

[Devil Keyz]

^^ hehe Sakura has feelings towards Naruto Since he came back, its obvious lol. But see, he thought Sakura was beautiful before he left so thats why i think he said she doesn't look different

[BlackLightning]

am I the only one thinking that Naruto is more likely to keep chasing to stop Sakura rather than going back to Konoha? ._.

[socermania2]

That is unplausible. He's not going anywhere, at the moment.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Phearts, my advice to you... Give up on that. They'll cling to their beliefs through hell and back. But I have to give them credit... They are pretty persistent.

Yeah.. Froot.. I am kinda like messing up with them

[RyrineaHaruno]

am I the only one thinking that Naruto is more likely to keep chasing to stop Sakura rather than going back to Konoha? ._.

Your not the only one, it will be when he wakes up thought.

[Evil Potato]

Well I for one really can't say what will happen when Naruto wakes up, I kinda thought he might already chase after Sakura but instead he hyperventalated and passed out. ---> something I didn't see happening.

I think ever since ch. 450, I have just kind of accepted that I will never be able to predict what Kishi will throw at us next. I mean, I still have made predictions, but it kinda seems useless.

From what I understand from reading, and from what I'm getting on these forums... it seems Kishi allowed Naruto to pass out from all the stress of realizing he couldn't change something no matter how strong he got, and it seems like Kishi wanted to make it obvious to the readers to know that if Naruto wouldn't have passed out, he would be heading back to the leaf village while Kakashi and Sai track down Sakura, so it would seem like he instantly made something happen to Naruto in order to ground him.

I'm sure that most of use are already expecting Naruto to have an internal warfare within his mind and then awaken as a new man ready for the choice he must make, and some seem to think that afterward he will get up and chase Sakura down.

Well, I can at least say I'm very confidant about Naruto having some dispute within his mind.

[Jenskott]

Let's trying getting the thread back in track.

I don't know if I should post this, but I found these arguments in a FF.Net profile today. I won't post the link because I want respecting that person's privacy, even if I don't agree with his/her arguments for shipping those pairings, but I seriously wondered if he/she was being sarcastic or not. Time and again I thought: "This person can NOT be serious. He/she MUST be joking". Alas, I am afraid not.

Favorite Pairings:

SasuSaku: Isn't it obvious Sasuke LOVES Sakura? He is always rescuering her and he always looks hurt when he sees Sakura hurt. In Shippuden, they could've had a SasuSaku moment but Yamato butts in and ruins that MOMENT!! So Sasuke, now that you have taken revenge and killed Orochimaru... STOP HANGING OUT WITH KARIN, AND GO BACK TO YOUR PRECIOUS SAKURA!!

Er... No. I'm frightened it isn't obvious at all. Maybe it is because Sasuke has never shown feelings towards Sakura. Maybe it is because he has never looked hurt when he saw her hurt (he seemed angry one single time, and it happened when he was under the effects of the Cursed Seal, which enhances the bearer's aggresivity. Other that then, he has never showed he ever cared). Maybe it is because he was rejecting her, slighting her, insulting her and even abusing her emotionally and physically the ninety percent of the time back when they were teammates.

I would tell it is obvious he never loved Sakura. He regarded her like a somewhat annoying partner at best when he was mostly sane. And now she is utterly below his notice.

They could have a love moment in Shippuden and Yamato ruined it? Are you talking about Sakura deciding smashing his brains out and he deciding stabbing her with his lightning-charged blade? Are you serious?

I don't understand why some persons wholeheartedly thought Sasuke would return to Konoha and woo Sakura after getting rid of Orochimaru and taking his revenge. OF COURSE he would refuse going back and find another target instead of it. He lives for revenge now and he refuses ever walking out of the darkness.

If he continues hanging out with Karin instead of going back to his precious Sakura is because he preffers hanging out with Karin, Sakura isn't "his precious" anything, and according HIS OWN WORDS, he refuses going back because there is nothing for him. It is so simple.

By the way, have you realized this person never touches Sakura's feelings? Strange.

NaruHina: These two were already soulmates from the beginning. They look cute together and they like have the same motto: TO NEVER GIVE UP!! They could accomplish that together, and then fall in love.

No, they weren't. Naruto was a loud, rash, hyperactive kid who was already in love with a girl who was just so loud and hard-headed as him, and never noticed Hinata. Hinata was the dark, meek, quiet kid who was always lurking in the back of the class. She never talked to him, and Naruto thought she was dark, weird and spooky when he ever noticed her (which seldom happened).

They look cute together? Debatable and irrelevant. Looks don't make soulmates.

They have the same motto? Irrelevant, too. It doesn't mean they would make a good couple. Moreover, Sakura has more similarities with Naruto than Hinata has ever had, and their personalities are compatibles.

They could accomplish that together? Accomplish what? Never giving up? They don't need each other for that. Everyone can decide never giving up without outside influences.

They could fall in love? They could. Right like Ino can suddenly realize Naruto is quite cute and awesome, ask him out, and he can accept. Right like Temari can be so grateful for Naruto saving her little brother she can start hanging out with him.

It COULD happen.

Really that person doesn't make good arguments at all. They sound incredibly, awfully cheesy, and never are backed with reasonings or evidence. He/she simply declares Character A y B are secretly in love and they are the perfect match because they are soooo cute and they are soulmates and their jutsus complement each other (she does the same damned thing with ShikaIno and NejiTen). Then again, that person states in his/her profile he/she is thirteen years old, so I guess it's logical his/her visions about love and romance are inmature and irrealistic.

[ciardha]

Then again, that person states in his/her profile he/she is thirteen years old, so I guess it's logical his/her visions about love and romance are inmature and irrealistic.

I was going to say it sounded like the view of romance of a girl between 10-12 years old. (Kishimoto knew that too when he made Sakura and Ino be Sasuke fangirls. Same sort of naive view of love)

I wasn't like that at that age and was throughly disgusted with the girls that were- but I'm sure that had everything to do with having a feminist mom and being a feminist myself. I loathed the Alpha type popular boys. I wasn't terribly impressed with any of the boys or girls my age, period. Too cliquish and conforming with their various groups. But I was friends with other girls and the guys who were unabashed geeks, because I was an unbashed geek and the geeks were the most independent minded kids but I was the most nonconformist amongst them. Being brought up the way I was I knew no one else was any better than me, and anybody who tried to pull an superior act on me I viewed with contempt and made no secret of that.

Tsunade looks to have done that for Sakura- at 16 she seems a lot more like what I was like at 16 personality wise. (except I knew I wasn't inferior to anyone, definitely no one my age. Everyone is equal was my personal motto from the time I was 7 years old. But I can strongly empathize with her character because much of the rest of her personality is a lot like mine.)

[catsi563]

pretty much the usual inr egards to those two pairings.

the childish notions of perfect hollywoodized romance that pervade modern media.

sasuke will kill his brother and danzo and orochimaru and return triumphantly to the leaf village where he will humbly thank naruto and sakura for their devotion.

He so moved by Sakuras dedication to him that his heart will move away from the horrible ice queen Karin who will melt into a puddle and he will embrace his true love who hes actualy allways loved and he treated badly so he could keep her safe while he pursued his revenge.

they will marry and have lots of uchiha babies thus reviving his clan and naruto will give them his sibling blessing for their prosperity.

*throwing up noises come from bathroom*

dont ask me to go into the baseless tripe that is naruhina. its even worse.

[Froot]

Entertaining posts, everyone

SasuSaku: Isn't it obvious Sasuke LOVES Sakura?

I'm sorry, I'm afraid not.

He is always rescuering her and he always looks hurt when he sees Sakura hurt.

He is never rescuing her; They must be confusing Sasuke with Naruto. It happens. The one exception is when, as Jenskott stated, he saw Sakura beat up. Actually, he didn't even rescue her, he beat up the people who had already beaten her up. Lee was actually the one who rescued her, if we were going to go that far. LeeSaku, anyone?

In fact, I doubt Sasuke was even doing it for Sakura's sake; But if he WERE, we could easily compare it to the time he pretty much "died" really protecting Naruto from Haku. Rescuing =/= True love, but if it did, we would be seeing

SasuNaru
LeeSaku
GaaNaru
NaruSaku (Oh gosh, we don't want THAT!)
NaruSai
ChiyoSaku
IruNaru
NaruMina
KakaNaru
PeinKaka
NaruInari
NaruZabu
NaruHaku
SauKarin
NaruNeji
ShikaCho
KakaKurei
KankuKiba
ShikaTema
GaaLee
NaruEveryone-In-The-Series

Weak argument that can be easily reversed.

In Shippuden, they could've had a SasuSaku moment but Yamato butts in and ruins that MOMENT!!

"Because attempted homicide is true love"

And IMO, Yamato didn't interrupt anything... Rather, he saved Sakura's life. (Ooh, add YamaSaku to the list!)

So Sasuke, now that you have taken revenge and killed Orochimaru... STOP HANGING OUT WITH KARIN, AND GO BACK TO YOUR PRECIOUS SAKURA!!

Too little too late to go back now.

I'd even go so far as to say he can stand Karin more than he can stand Sakura. But that's just me.

By the way, have you realized this person never touches Sakura's feelings? Strange.

Of course they wouldn't! She's just an object bent to fulfill Sasuke's will (which isn't even his will, but whatever, we'll say it is anyways because Sasuke is an object bent to fulfill SasuSaku fans' wills.)

NaruHina: These two were already soulmates from the beginning. They look cute together and they like have the same motto: TO NEVER GIVE UP!! They could accomplish that together, and then fall in love.

What is this... I don't even...

These two were already soulmates from the beginning? In what way? I'm sorry, I just don't see it, no matter how hard I look - I can't make the connection. I'll keep trying, but until then, I'll just chalk it up to the "tweenagers' distorted ideals of love."

They look cute together? One could argue that their color combination is visually offensive, but that's just my own personal aesthetics, and arguing that would make me just as biased as the person who said it. I will only say that "cuteness" can be argued and does not equal true love.

Same motto? It's not like Hinata came up with it herself. She blatantly ripped it off. Anyone could rip it off. Does it make them soul mates as well? No. Besides, the only time where that is relevent was back in the chunin exams, a long ago forgotten arc that was never to be brought up again, not even by Hinata.

Furthermore,

They could accomplish that together? Accomplish what? Never giving up? They don't need each other for that. Everyone can decide never giving up without outside influences.

It's all that needs to be said.

the childish notions of perfect hollywoodized romance that pervade modern media.

Funny how they whine and complain about how "cliche" NaruSaku is, yet love the notion of a trite, beaten to death fairy-tail ending where everything works out is just the greatest thing to them.

Honestly, the triteness of that sickens me. I'd sincerely hope Kishi is a better writer that. Cliche my foot.

sasuke will kill his brother and danzo and orochimaru and return triumphantly to the leaf village where he will humbly thank naruto and sakura for their devotion.

He so moved by Sakuras dedication to him that his heart will move away from the horrible ice queen Karin who will melt into a puddle and he will embrace his true love who hes actualy allways loved and he treated badly so he could keep her safe while he pursued his revenge.

they will marry and have lots of uchiha babies thus reviving his clan and naruto will give them his sibling blessing for their prosperity.

dont ask me to go into the baseless tripe that is naruhina. its even worse.

Don't you see? Naruto, dejected and depressed finds solace in the loving tender arms of Hinata, a girl who Sakura couldn't hold a candle to and who Naruto suddenly realizes he has loved all along. Naruto begins to resent Sakura like a spiteful little child but it's okay because she's got her new and improved Sasuke-kun aaaall to herself, and they ride into the sunset on the backs of white ponies while Naruto and Hinata run away and elope in the Land of Wind because Hinata's father would not allow it. And they live-happily-ever-after-the-end.

*shudders*

Edited by Froot, 25 December 2009 - 01:43 AM.

[Devil Keyz]

^^ please never say LeeSaku AGaAIN lol i think thats total... UGHHHHHH

[Froot]

Hey, if "Sasuke and Sakura should be together because Sasuke rescued Sakura" (once), then Lee and Sakura have the same chance of getting together. Same as

SasuNaru
GaaNaru
NaruSaku
NaruSai
ChiyoSaku
IruNaru
NaruMina
KakaNaru
PeinKaka
NaruInari
NaruZabu
NaruHaku
SauKarin
NaruNeji
ShikaCho
KakaKurei
KankuKiba
ShikaTema
GaaLee
NaruEveryone-In-The-Series

It's just the way it is, Devil.

Edited by Froot, 25 December 2009 - 04:12 AM.

[firegirl]

uh hi i am from the viz forms and i wanted to join since i love narusaku so here is why i love the paring so much

love is grown not always love at first sight fails alot and first crushs always never turn out the best.

their trust in eachother is what made me love even more part 1 shows me how much naruto loves her and his crush seemed to grow after chapter 3 and spending time with her made it grow more to the point of risking his life to save from gaara in the chuni exams.

kn4 was what got me seeing sakura change she at that point started to become selfless and starts to keep thinking of naruto well being. she feeling his pain and cries. she even cried about him being an container but to me that showed her and him as best friend moment kn4 chapter did it to me and i started to look very closly at sakura behavior and started to comapari her behavior towrds sasuke during part one and her treatment to naruto in part 2 its shows me that even if their little and not so obvious like the sasusaku parts in oart 1 but i can see the growing affection she has torwds naruto.

its when i saw her hug him the first time got thinking its becoming more obvious. i think that it was the most intamate hug she ever gave even the ones she gave fore sasuke. it showed not an affection of sister but more of a lover seriously my heart skip a beat and my friend spit what he was drinking. it wasent a sbling hug and my dad who lived in japan for work said that in japanises culture hugs between opposit gender are more romantic then smae genders, and by all of the shojos and shouoines that i read same genders hug all the time and people make it seems like yuri or yaoi.

all in all i totaly agree that development make a romance and makes love stonger i know alto of friends that grow into lovers its very common

an also i found something about both of the confessions sakura

to me the chapter that sakura confessed to sasuke is moer selfish then the one to naruto.

for sasuke she kept on refuring to herself saying she would be lonely and sad that he would go. plus saying she would go with him and help with his revenge to me that was such a low point for sakura and she is my favorite character.

for naruto she wanted what was best for him which she i think truly belives was to let go of sasuke and like twilight said early 476 shows how much letting go of sasuke can really hurt naruto but since kishi said that naruto vs sasuke will be th final fight i really dont know what naruto is going to do and if he really open his eyes and see what sasuke has become.


she going to kill sasuke for both naruto and sasuke sakes and to me that is so noble and strong of her. she is will also allow naruto to hate her forever if she dose succed in killing sasuke and i know it will hurt her tremendely.

i know she is confused about sasuke and about naruto but to me what she did for naruto is not selfish at all. also alowing him to hate her is a huge self sacrifice.

another thing esxuse for my language but why the hell did she confesse if she already planed to kill sasuke knowing she would be hated forever by naruto?why would she lie if she vowed to make no more mistakes and to stop naruto holding a selfish burden.

the only part that was a lie in this confession is when she stated she was over sasuke.

ok and again for the first confession she ever made was more pitiful then heartbroken to me it wasent even a real confession. in confession u speak about why this person is important and why you love them. in this confession sakura only spat out i love you i cant even stand it, but seriously she was twelve to thirteen years old.

it didnt feel feel like a real confession the naruto shows what she feels torwds him and why she loves him.

just to say both confessions were desprate sakura was trying to keep both boys from danger with sasuke oro and naruto chasing sasuke

so yeah lets debate

and if u know i write alot

[ciardha]

Hi firegirl.

Sakura showed her selfless side in part 1 too, interestingly enough most the time it was directed toward Naruto. Even way back in chapter 5 during the bell test, when she thought Kakashi was intending on killing Naruto she breaks cover and shouts for Naruto to run away in hopes her act would distract Kakashi and Naruto could flee. In her mind she's endangering her own life but she acts without hesitation. We also see her blushing at Naruto's bravery in taking on Kakashi so boldly, Kishimoto hinting as early as this that Sakura's romantic feelings were already starting to be subconsciously engaged by Naruto. (A point the first databook reinforces in Sakura's character commentary) And in chapter 13 Sakura clutches her hand over her heart and wonders why she's having these feelings about Naruto. Then in the Chunin exams you have several examples of Sakura's compassion and selflessness directed toward Naruto. The first when they walk into the room where the written exam is to take place. Sakura starts to raise her hand to knock them out of the exam, just so Naruto's dream of someday being Hokage has a chance. She doesn't think for a second of how Sasuke might react to her choice, or any consequences for herself, it's only Naruto emotional well being and his dream that are in her thoughts.

Edited by ciardha, 25 December 2009 - 07:24 AM.