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[T XD]

To be honest, I always hope that, but sometimes... how many times haven't we waited for the next arc, the next arc and she got nothing? Isn't kinda frustrating? We only base ourselves on the phrase "all your favorite characters will shine".
Well, Neji fans wouldn't agree with that, don't you think?
So what if he pulls something like that with Sakura as well?
I know I am being negative, but sometimes, I just lose hope...
I miss my Kazekage rescue arc Sakura. That had the emotional part as well, but the kick-ass as well.

Let's hope for that to happen in the future arc. * crossing fingers*

I know how you feel. Don't worry about it. Like I said, keep your expectation low. We can be in for a surprise. We don't know what's going to happen next. We just have to wait.

Yup. Now, we still have one week and two days to go for the next chapter... well, it's still somewhat far but it's lesser than before XD

Edited by T XD, 06 January 2013 - 01:23 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I think it'd be funny if Kishimoto has not purposely allowed Sakura to be skipped over but realized this, purposely placed the dramatic year ending, and then rocks out 2013 as a huge Narusaku year. Hey, with all the Sakusasu and Naruhina in one year, he's gotta push towards the third fandom. Even if it's not for romantic reasons, he still has to respond to the big three

Actually, no, he doesn't.
We're pushing this onto him because the fandom has the "big three", but that shouldn't affect how he writes his manga. Hell, Neji died so that Kishi could respond to one of the "big three" that, really, only ever existed in the fandom. Not in the manga, the fandom.
All of this teasing and catering isn't being a good writer. It's messing up his manga beyond repair.

NS has relevance because it's been built up throughout the entire series.
Sasuke (NOT SS, by the way) has relevance because he was part of Team 7.

Anything else isn't needed. NH? What NH? SS? What SS? He shouldn't have to respond to those two of the big three at all because they don't matter, and they don't make sense.

Sadly, he's already given in by responding to NH and killing Neji in order to do so. So he's dug himself into a hole.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 06 January 2013 - 01:40 AM.

[Chatte]

I know how you feel. Don't worry about it. Like I said, keep your expectation low. We can be in for a surprise. We don't know what's going to happen next. We just have to wait.

Expectations are always low, I just wish I'd just stop wishing/hoping... To be honest, I think I got too emotionally attached to Sakura...Bad thing.

Let's hope for that to happen in the future arc. * crossing fingers*

Yeah, hope is the last one, now, sadly, reality is different.

[Nate River]

This is an interesting point. It often seems forgotten that Naruto has, in all practicality, grown up with little to no emotional foundation beneath him. We don't know who looked after his needs when he was a baby -- who changed his diapers, fed him, ensured his literal survival -- but what we were shown at the very beginning was that at age 11 he had apparently been living alone for some time. Alone. This is a HUGE thing./quote]

It's not just a matter of being an orphan; there are a lot of orphans in this story, but most benefited early on from some kind of emotional bonding with parents or siblings before they were on their own. We have not been shown any evidence that Naruto had any emotional nurturing at all, and in fact the opposite has been suggested. Not to mention he was jinchuriki of the Kyubi, and all the adults (at least) in the village knew it. So it was a double negative -- no emotional nurturing that every child needs, while at the same time being ostracized and enduring extreme hostility.

We know that the Third, Iruka, and Kakashi -- at the very least -- were watching out for Naruto to some degree, but the truth is the poor kid didn't have even enough care and instruction to know he shouldn't consume spoiled milk, for Pete's sake. Much is made of Naruto's blockheadedness, but how could he not be dense? If he wasn't even schooled in common sense, imagine what else his upbringing was missing that most of the other characters took for granted -- hugs, being held, emotional encouragement, an understanding of relationships and love, a proper Birds and Bees lecture (except maybe from Jiraiya), you name it. We're given to understand that he had nothing and no one. The ultimate latchkey kid.

I wanted to make a thread about this. It's one of the most glaring and unfortunate plot holes in the series. I simply cannot figure out how to make Naruto's past make sense. Why didn't those people provide that instruction (particularly Kakashi)? Who payed for the housing and food? When he bombed the academy twice, did anyone step in to do something about it? Hell, how did he graduate with kids his ownn ages when he failed more than once and they, presumably did not? When the village treated him like crap why did these people who were supposed to watch over him do nothing? Actually, the bigger question is did they do nothing? We don't know at all (it seemed implied in the early going that no one besides Iruka and maybe the Third did anything, but who knows now) and the only way to make sense of it all is to presume something might have been coming from the shadows by these people because otherwise we have to wonder where the hell they were and what do they have to say about themselves for their inexplicable failure? Kakashi apparent absence prior to Team Seven is particularly curious given how he believed he failed Obito and who his Sensei was. But since, Naruto never presses the issue we don't know and such burning questions can only be answered by supposition. There is the low hanging fruit of the guard, but really, even without that mess it's hard to make sense of it all.

I think given how much influence this had on who he is now, it's just one of the things that shouldn't be left so open to speculation.

[sushi.]

^I think I made a post about this in the "what do you want to see" thread.

I know there is a ninja academy, but how do the kids in narutoverse learn to write, or math? People learn their motherlanguages from..their mother of course, but we still enhance it in school. So how did Naruto not end up being even more dense?

My theory was that Kakashi was a depressed ANBU, and Jiraiya was looking out for Orochimaru. Maybe he was kicked out of the orphanage.

[Chatte]

I remember there was a filler once who showed the third giving him money and stuff....

[shadow_Uzumaki]

^I think I made a post about this in the "what do you want to see" thread.

I know there is a ninja academy, but how do the kids in narutoverse learn to write, or math? People learn their motherlanguages from..their mother of course, but we still enhance it in school. So how did Naruto not end up being even more dense?

My theory was that Kakashi was a depressed ANBU, and Jiraiya was looking out for Orochimaru. Maybe he was kicked out of the orphanage.

I'm pretty sure they still have our 'standard' curriculum, with the addition of ninja training in the mix.

[sushi.]

I'm pretty sure they still have our 'standard' curriculum, with the addition of ninja training in the mix.

So those who grows up as civilians only has this standard? Maybe being a ninja is just something extra, but It's strange that we only saw ninja training in the academy.

[Don-kun]

I wanted to make a thread about this. It's one of the most glaring and unfortunate plot holes in the series. I simply cannot figure out how to make Naruto's past make sense. Why didn't those people provide that instruction (particularly Kakashi)? Who payed for the housing and food? When he bombed the academy twice, did anyone step in to do something about it? Hell, how did he graduate with kids his ownn ages when he failed more than once and they, presumably did not? When the village treated him like crap why did these people who were supposed to watch over him do nothing? Actually, the bigger question is did they do nothing? We don't know at all (it seemed implied in the early going that no one besides Iruka and maybe the Third did anything, but who knows now) and the only way to make sense of it all is to presume something might have been coming from the shadows by these people because otherwise we have to wonder where the hell they were and what do they have to say about themselves for their inexplicable failure? Kakashi apparent absence prior to Team Seven is particularly curious given how he believed he failed Obito and who his Sensei was. But since, Naruto never presses the issue we don't know and such burning questions can only be answered by supposition. There is the low hanging fruit of the guard, but really, even without that mess it's hard to make sense of it all.

I think given how much influence this had on who he is now, it's just one of the things that shouldn't be left so open to speculation.

Two main characters without a concrete background, when you people post stuff like this it only reminds me of how terrible of a Mangaka Kubo and Kishi really are.

I really try hard to ignore argument like these but sometimes it's hard to ignore and worst when you see that he did give that focus to character like Sasuke and Hinata, NaruSaku and Sakura and Naruto nemesis.

[Chatte]

Two main characters without a concrete background, when you people post stuff like this it only reminds me of how terrible of a Mangaka Kubo and Kishi really are.

I really try hard to ignore argument like these but sometimes it's hard to ignore and worst when you see that he did give that focus to character like Sasuke and Hinata, NaruSaku and Sakura and Naruto nemesis.

This remembered me on some of the reasons people like Hinata more than Sakura.
Because she has a background and Sakura doesn't.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

So those who grows up as civilians only has this standard? Maybe being a ninja is just something extra, but It's strange that we only saw ninja training in the academy.

It's possible that ninja have an accelerate "Three Rs" program? I'm not really sure. Anyway, Kishi didn't really delve too deeply into their academic curriculum because it wasn't really relevant to the story. Though, Kishi's Shinobi-verse is a really fascinating world to examine, to be sure.

[CloudMountainJuror]

This remembered me on some of the reasons people like Hinata more than Sakura.
Because she has a background and Sakura doesn't.

But, background =/= depth in this case.

[Nate River]

It's possible that ninja have an accelerate "Three Rs" program? I'm not really sure. Anyway, Kishi didn't really delve too deeply into their academic curriculum because it wasn't really relevant to the story. Though, Kishi's Shinobi-verse is a really fascinating world to examine, to be sure.

While interesting info, it's not a thing I believe needed genuine development. The problem is the conflict of having the whole village (the adults anyway) hate and fear him with the existence of adult characters who clearly don't do either, know of his past, and/or are directly tied to the people who left him in this situation. Either these people helped him from the shadows or they were asleep at the wheel.

Of course, it's not the only time Naruto fails to follow up such things. He stands by and takes advice from the guy who is more at fault for Sasuke current course than anyone else besides Sasuke himself. Is Itachi called on his questionable behavior? Nope.

[dl316bh]

First off, he was concepted and created because his previous editor was a huge fan of wrestling. And since you forget to mentioned that Kishimoto had said that that he was friends with that said editor in the 2011 interview.

From what I understand, that's not a rare phenomenon. The Japanese love them some wrestling over there and there are quite a few American guys who made it big over there. Mick Foley practically made his career in Japanese death matches. Then there's Vader, who was practically a superstar there whereas he struggled to get somewhere in American pro wrestling (despite being ****ing amazing and able to do a moonsault). "Huge in Japan" indeed.

A prominent name you may recognize who loves wrestling: Nobuo Uematsu, video game composer supreme. I consider it a crime no one ever contracted him to compose someones entrance theme.

Well, Batman follows it after a night of JUSTICE!

Maybe. Could even be a fan of One Piece; dudes chillaxed with pirates before and was trained by ninjas, so you probably figure he likes reading about them from time to time. We'll never know; Alfred is the only one who would ever be privy to such sensitive information.

Anyway, Kishi didn't really delve too deeply into their academic curriculum because it wasn't really relevant to the story.

No, it wasn't, but I'm still surprised he never went into it much; Kishi went into quite a bit of world building and detail early on.

Edited by dl316bh, 06 January 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

While interesting info, it's not a thing I believe needed genuine development. The problem is the conflict of having the whole village (the adults anyway) hate and fear him with the existence of adult characters who clearly don't do either, know of his past, and/or are directly tied to the people who left him in this situation. Either these people helped him from the shadows or they were asleep at the wheel.

Of course, it's not the only time Naruto fails to follow up such things. He stands by and takes advice from the guy who is more at fault for Sasuke current course than anyone else besides Sasuke himself. Is Itachi called on his questionable behavior? Nope.

Yeah, I understand the frustration, especially after Jiraiya was revealed to have been the one who named MinaKushi's child. Clearly, Jiraiya knew who Naruto is, it wouldn't have been a surprised if Naruto knew Jiraiya unless Jiraiya was negligent in Naruto's caretaking.


It's possible that Kishi simply didn't plan that far ahead and adds things as he goes. Naruto knowing Jiraiya would've heavily foreshadowed Naruto's relation to Minato (even though it was glaringly obvious) as far back as Part I.

I don't know, maybe Kishi really does have bad story planning. Who knows, maybe this whole War arc was probably something he just came up with recently.

[Slextrem]

Is it just me or is this thread feeling kind of dry? I can't wait until the next chapter is released. We're out of juice~

[CloudMountainJuror]

Is it just me or is this thread feeling kind of dry? I can't wait until the next chapter is released. We're out of juice~

It only took 137 pages.

[sushi.]

I rmember Kakashi and Joriya's first impression of Naruto. They were like "so he is Uzumaki Naruto huh? He grew up to be an interesting kid, indeed. "

I think that was clear foreshadowing. And I remember a cover with Kakashi sleeping in his bed, there was a team Minato picture on the table. Hinting that he was his sensei, and this was very early on.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Is it just me or is this thread feeling kind of dry? I can't wait until the next chapter is released. We're out of juice~

We've pretty much run out of topics and just switched to talking about the manga in general.... XD


@dl

I'm sure Batman mutters to himself, "hh. Sasuke does not know how to brood! Revenge is not the proper way to honor your family! JUSTICE is!"

[tricksie]

While interesting info, it's not a thing I believe needed genuine development. The problem is the conflict of having the whole village (the adults anyway) hate and fear him with the existence of adult characters who clearly don't do either, know of his past, and/or are directly tied to the people who left him in this situation. Either these people helped him from the shadows or they were asleep at the wheel.

Of course, it's not the only time Naruto fails to follow up such things. He stands by and takes advice from the guy who is more at fault for Sasuke current course than anyone else besides Sasuke himself. Is Itachi called on his questionable behavior? Nope.

I think it's a plot hole that can never be reconciled. And the more development that occurs, the more egregious the error becomes. Especially when it was shown that Genma and the other dude were Minato's special guard. There is simply no way you can excuse the people around him who left him alone.

And in Kishimoto's defense, I think this was a case of writing a storyline without thinking how long or far-reaching the story would become. He started with the idea of Naruto being an outcast in his own village, and then had to see that idea through. Because the whole back story is so contrived, it only works if you know little pieces of it. When you see the whole picture, it all falls apart.

The whole village knows his secret and hates him, and manages to keep it secret from the kids? And the people who were devoted to his parents just abandoned Naruto upon his birth, had no hand in his upbringing, then let him flounder in school — with no word on how important he actually was to the village?

It's not like Harry Potter where the horrible upbringing is remedied by the dissolving of the barrier between him and his true fate (going off to Hogwarts, etc.), where Harry learns that it was done for his safety and protection. None of that is the case in Naruto. Even after he makes it into academy. No one seems to have cared.

Honestly, it would have made more sense if Naruto had been carted off to another village and raised in a careless environment there, then returned to the village for academy. He could have returned and still encountered a lot of people who remembered and hated him, but a few who would also befriend him. At least that would take care of the glaring error of "Where were Jiraiya, Kakashi, Genma, etc., etc." while Naruto was a young child.

Is it just me or is this thread feeling kind of dry? I can't wait until the next chapter is released. We're out of juice~

Alright, so I'm reposting something that got buried a few pages back, but I'm curious to see if anyone thinks the same:

I was thinking that Obito's love of Rin really was not like Naruto's love of Sakura at all....

Obito's love of Rin was more like Sakura's love of Sasuke and, ironically enough, Hinata's love of Naruto.

It is a love that is one-sided, one-directional, and involves worship and action with the assumption that the other person will love them back, but never giving that person a chance or choice to express that before they act.

Obito never told Rin, and he is building this "world" out of love for her, but really she probably would abhor it. But her choice in the matter is not ever considered by Obito nor included in his twisted version of love.

Similarly, Sakura's love of Sasuke pushed her to try to keep him in the village and love her, even though he wanted neither.

And Hinata's love of Naruto drove her to act against his wishes, running out to not stop Pain, nearly getting herself and forcing Naruto into 8-tails mode. None of those things Naruto wanted, and all Hinata could say to excuse her actions was that she loved him.

So I think Obito's idolizing of Rin is not like Naruto love for Sakura (or hers for him). In fact, I think one of Obito's steps to redemption (which we know is inevitable) will be to acknowledge that what he is doing was never what Rin would have wanted.

And by surpassing that unhealthy one-sided love, Naruto/Sakura will triumph over the parallels of Obito-->Rin and Hinata-->Naruto. Their relationship — a healthy love based on mutual respect and equal partnership — trumps the manipulative need-based loves around them.