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[Jenskott]

Like I've said many times before, her importance to the plot is very little; Only as one of the Konoha 11, thus as important as Shino or maybe Tenten. If Kishi wants to include her, he'll have to bend over backwards, turn Naruto into a borderline shoujo, do a U-turn and find some way to bring her back into importance.

Exactly. It would be too work. He would have to cancel or stall the currently ongoing plotlines in order to jam into the storyline a secondary character whose relevance is zero and has nothing to do with the current events and isn't powerful enough to feature an important fight right now. And he doesn't need giving himself so much work and headaches since Hinata is a secondary character whom he has barely paid attention. The Hyuuga subplot got closed long ago and it doesn't need further resolution, the issue of her feelings got closed too, and she has lost any shred of plot relevance since there are no more plotlines involving her, nor they have been created. So why would Kishimoto would give himself so much work for an irrelevant and unimportant character?

And I'm afraid a lot of Hinata fans don't understand this: Hinata is NOT important, she has never been and she will never be (it's too late for she magically gaining relevance). There is no guarantee at all Kishimoto will make anything with her since he has never done so in 476 chapters and the story is already approaching to the end. And if he doesn't make anything with Hinata, it won't mean he is a bad author.

I still remember when the Part I finished. A lot of Hinata fans claimed she would become more important in the Part II (or she would even become the female lead). They have been repeating the "You'll see, she will get a big role in the next arc, I know she will do, she HAS to" tune since then. When someone pointed out she wasn't important, a NH fan retorted "Gosh, Kishimoto can make her important!" without explaining how he would do that.

Now that you mention it, I think it's the most intimate gesture of the entire series. Even when Sakura hugged Sasuke.

Hmm... Now that you mention it, I also think it is.

I had trouble putting in spoiler tags to, but I just do it manually.

(Without the spaces.)

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Thank you. I hope your advice may help me.

I don't really think he decided for himself. I think they're taking him back to Konoha becuase he looks like he's dying. If it were up to him, no doubt he'd be going after Sakura.

Hmm... Interesting.

If the pattern follows, soon, Naruto will get a wake-up call, get off his butt, and go after Sakura and Sasuke.

I also think he will eventually do that. Even if he has got a breakdown, I doubt he will want leaving the matter unfinished.

Of course. Let the fafics begin.

Fanfics? How all of these fanfics written after chapter 437 where Naruto and Hinata-sama started dating after Pain's invasion? Or where Naruto dwelt unceasingly on Hinata's confession and sacrifice and his own feelings? Or where Sakura compelled him to asking her out?

Now you realize why I never listen to or trust NH fans predictions and theories.

But... I'm sure things will work out.

It's a shonen manga after all

Indeed. You know what Naruto will get it together.

[Red Faction]

Whats this about the antis saying about naruto geting over sakura he has loved her for most of his life
or naruto thinking about her running in with sasuke

[Froot]

[sarcasm]

Because there's obviously a time limit for love,* and Sakura's time is up.

Also, love is first come, first serve, so Hinata has to get Naruto's love. **




* Except with Sakura and Sasuke. She can love him forever and ever and ever.

** Except with Naruto. Forget that he loved Sakura before Hinata even appeared.

[/sarcasm]

[Red Faction]

[sarcasm]

Because there's obviously a time limit for love,* and Sakura's time is up.

Also, love is first come, first serve, so Hinata has to get Naruto's love. **




* Except with Sakura and Sasuke. She can love him forever and ever and ever.

** Except with Naruto. Forget that he loved Sakura before Hinata even appeared.

[/sarcasm]

lol very true

[Miss Soupy]

There should be like sort of an unofficial poll to see which pairing has the most fans.

NaruSaku
NaruHina
SasuSaku

I don't have any idea if it has been done but it should be done at narutofan so it's a fair battlefield.

Well, the japanese fans would be the ones that need to be polled (because they are the fans that matter XD). I know bleach has done a poll on pairings fairly recently, but I think Naruto's poll is pretty old. (but I could be wrong) I think out of the het pairings SS was most popular there and that NH and NS were fairly close? Maybe i'm way off, but I'm pretty sure japanese fandom was different than western fandom when it came to pairings.

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I have to say, compared to Naruto, Sakura has been much more mature about how to deal with Sasuke. She cried, yes, but she didn't completely break down like Naruto has. This is odd to me since many people believe her to be completely in love with Sasuke still and yet in comparison it is Naruto who seems to be more strained/broken over Sasuke. I know Naruto has more than one reason for saving Sasuke, but that doesn't mean Sakura wouldn't be as adamant as Naruto to save him.

[Myth]

Sakura needs to knock some sense into naruto I think shes the only one who can convince by beating the crap out of him to move on
I have a feeling that Sakura will break down from holding her emotions and she will probably confess to Naruto about her feelings for him. I think that's what Kishi is leading a better confession from sakura or dont know yet hope ım not wrong ...

[fireandice]

Hi, first time posting here I've been lurking around for a while though.

I used to be a NaruHina and SasuSaku fan, that is, UNTIL I read Naruto Part II in the manga. Slowly, I realised that I found the dynamics between Naruto and Sakura much more interesting. IMO, I just felt that with NaruHina...sure it's cute, but it didn't really seem to have the "fire" and dynamism of NaruSaku? SasuSaku- well no words need to be spoken about how the wheels have more or less come off that, and Sasuke really seems beyond redemption.

Regarding the most recent chapters, I too find it rather ridiculous how some fans are jumping up and down proclaiming that NaruSaku is dead. I mean, if you look at it logically, it's significant that NaruSaku got any development, in comparison to all the other pairings! This is regardless of whether it's a complication or what, the fact that the issue of a relationship between Naruto and Sakura is being addressed. I mean, on Kishi's part, does it make sense for him to have Sai say "I can see Naruto really loves you" and then it turns out that Naruto began feeling stuff for Hinata after he confession? This is gonna unnecessarily mess up the current plotline- and I can see that happening in a shojo manga- which Naruto is not. This is mainly to NaruHina fans' assertion that Sai's words can't be taken to be true because his feelings might have changed

Another argument I've got to bring up is this notion somehow, that Hinata deserves Naruto more. Because Hinata's sweet, kind, gentle, more caring of Naruto etc etc. I have to say "no way". I have a problem where people say that Hinata is more caring then Sakura, and they seem to neglect her flaws too- which she has plenty of, as do all the other characters. One most prominent one is that she doesn't have faith in Naruto's abilities. Yes, she finds him inspiring, but she worries about him too much- sometimes needlessly (e.g when they were fighting Tobi and he got thrown into a stream)- as opposed to Sakura who knows Naruto well and told her to keep her eyes on Madara.

This is one other reason I prefer NaruSaku- Hinata viewed Naruto with romantic preconceptions before she really got to know him, inherently, there's some sorts of expectations and impressions she has of him romantically- whereas Sakura started off with no such expectations, she viewed him honestly and based on a platonic love. Then, as she got to know him more, it started growing into a more romantic one- hence the relationship is more natural, and she sees all his flaws and doesn't have undue expectations or anything. Remember the thing about a man and a woman usually can't remain just good friends forever if they're both unattached

I do dislike the double standards when people say Hinata is prepared to sacrifice her life for Naruto, unlike Sakura. Besides the fact that Sakura couldn't see what was happening without a Byakugan, which I believe some posters have already said- let's be objective. Yes, I found it quite touching, but honestly, it was rather stupid of her. Hinata nearly made things ALOT worse, and her actions misguidedly were NOT helping Naruto. If it were not for Minato putting a failsafe, Naruto would have either gone berserker and trashed the whole village (and then felt really guilty later) and/or gotten caught by Pain and Konan. I mean, like the moment where Sakura ran towards Naruto when he went 4-tails was similarly touching, but it wasn't very smart of her either

Also I've got to say one thing, no offense to NaruHina fans in general, but it bugs me when they replace exact pictures of Sakura's moments with Naruto in the manga with Hinata. I don't mind NaruHina fanart, but editing the manga panels? I dunno, I don't really like it, it's like they're usurping her role and insisting that the way Kishimoto wrote the plot is all wrong and that Sakura is taking Hinata's place or something. I remember seeing one where it was Hinata repressing the Kyuubi's chakra when he went four tails in place of Sakura. I guess I'm just overreacting? But it does irk me.

And, my being Asian, I can assure you when one of my friends got hugged by a guy we wouldn't stop teasing her about it Nuff' said with regards to Sakura hugging Naruto in 450.

Edited by fireandice, 18 December 2009 - 05:22 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Hi, first time posting here I've been lurking around for a while though.

I used to be a NaruHina and SasuSaku fan, that is, UNTIL I read Naruto Part II in the manga. Slowly, I realised that I found the dynamics between Naruto and Sakura much more interesting. IMO, I just felt that with NaruHina...sure it's cute, but it didn't really seem to have the "fire" and dynamism of NaruSaku? SasuSaku- well no words need to be spoken about how the wheels have more or less come off that, and Sasuke really seems beyond redemption.

Regarding the most recent chapters, I too find it rather ridiculous how some fans are jumping up and down proclaiming that NaruSaku is dead. I mean, if you look at it logically, it's significant that NaruSaku got any development, in comparison to all the other pairings! This is regardless of whether it's a complication or what, the fact that the issue of a relationship between Naruto and Sakura is being addressed. I mean, on Kishi's part, does it make sense for him to have Sai say "I can see Naruto really loves you" and then it turns out that Naruto began feeling stuff for Hinata after he confession? This is gonna unnecessarily mess up the current plotline- and I can see that happening in a shojo manga- which Naruto is not. This is mainly to NaruHina fans' assertion that Sai's words can't be taken to be true because his feelings might have changed

Another argument I've got to bring up is this notion somehow, that Hinata deserves Naruto more. Because Hinata's sweet, kind, gentle, more caring of Naruto etc etc. I have to say "no way". I have a problem where people say that Hinata is more caring then Sakura, and they seem to neglect her flaws too- which she has plenty of, as do all the other characters. One most prominent one is that she doesn't have faith in Naruto's abilities. Yes, she finds him inspiring, but she worries about him too much- sometimes needlessly (e.g when they were fighting Tobi and he got thrown into a stream)- as opposed to Sakura who knows Naruto well and told her to keep her eyes on Madara.

This is one other reason I prefer NaruSaku- Hinata viewed Naruto with romantic preconceptions before she really got to know him, inherently, there's some sorts of expectations and impressions she has of him romantically- whereas Sakura started off with no such expectations, she viewed him honestly and based on a platonic love. Then, as she got to know him more, it started growing into a more romantic one- hence the relationship is more natural, and she sees all his flaws and doesn't have undue expectations or anything. Remember the thing about a man and a woman usually can't remain just good friends forever if they're both unattached

I do dislike the double standards when people say Hinata is prepared to sacrifice her life for Naruto, unlike Sakura. Besides the fact that Sakura couldn't see what was happening without a Byakugan, which I believe some posters have already said- let's be objective. Yes, I found it quite touching, but honestly, it was rather stupid of her. Hinata nearly made things ALOT worse, and her actions misguidedly were NOT helping Naruto. If it were not for Minato putting a failsafe, Naruto would have either gone berserker and trashed the whole village (and then felt really guilty later) and/or gotten caught by Pain and Konan. I mean, like the moment where Sakura ran towards Naruto when he went 4-tails was similarly touching, but it wasn't very smart of her either

Also I've got to say one thing, no offense to NaruHina fans in general, but it bugs me when they replace exact pictures of Sakura's moments with Naruto in the manga with Hinata. I don't mind NaruHina fanart, but editing the manga panels? I dunno, I don't really like it, it's like they're usurping her role and insisting that the way Kishimoto wrote the plot is all wrong and that Sakura is taking Hinata's place or something. I remember seeing one where it was Hinata repressing the Kyuubi's chakra when he went four tails in place of Sakura. I guess I'm just overreacting? But it does irk me.

And, my being Asian, I can assure you when one of my friends got hugged by a guy we wouldn't stop teasing her about it Nuff' said with regards to Sakura hugging Naruto in 450.

Wow, fireandice, for your first post, you bring a lot of insight to things. And let's face it too, besides what you said about why Sakura didn't rush to save Naruto. Besides not seeing what happened to him, she has absolute faith in him. Even if she never had faith in him at first, she reallllly started to grow into it. Though sometimes, I think Sakura did doubt her feelings of faith and trust in Naruto, like how Ino made her feel by telling Sakura that Naruto didn't have a chance in hell of defeating Neji, and yet he still did, and Sakura still rooted for him in that fight, even when Hinata wanted Naruto to give up after he'd been nailed by the 8 Trigrams 64 Palms, even when she was coughing horribly due to her own injuries from her match with Neji. I don't mean to insult Hinata, but really, that's a sign that she doesn't know Naruto that well, considering, as you said, fire, her expectations of his character...

Plus we've seen how Sakura's changed from being an outright b*tch to Naruto, to being a good teammate/sister role, and now in Shippuden/Part II, she's something more really, even if Naruto doesn't realize that she does love him, considering she's wanting to kill Sasuke to protect Naruto from him... and by association, the Akatsuki.

Even if I'm not Asian, I personally found Sakura's hugging Naruto twice so far to be very sweet.

Welcome aboard, and I hope you have fun!

Bryon

[ciardha]

Plus we've seen how Sakura's changed from being an outright b*tch to Naruto

I'd suggest going back and rereading even the earliest chapters, you're going to hard pressed to find examples of that. This image comes from Sakura bashers not from the manga. Even at her worst- at her introduction in chapter 3, and remember Naruto in chapter 1 was at his worst too, Sasuke as well is at his worst at his introduction until he receives the curse seal that retriggers his rage and Itachi further retriggers his obsessive hate and quest for power. Kishimoto gives you the most negative view of each member of Team 7 at their introduction then shows you first impressions aren't accurate. In chapter 5 you see Sakura do what she thinks is risking her life to save Naruto when Kakashi comes at him at what she thinks is a killing intent, then disgust at what Kakashi actually did, admiration for Naruto's bravery, anger at how Kakashi is bullying Naruto. Even in their early interactions Sakura shows a mix of compassion and caring along with anger at what she thinks is him just pranking her with his actions toward her. Remember all everyone knew about Naruto amongst the kids was he was a guy who was stupid and constantly played pranks. Remember what Sakura told Naruto henged as Sasuke, she thinks the "chan" suffix and attention is to make a mock of her.

[Froot]

fireandice was just making a point. Sakura was a b!tch at first - But she developed. The whole point of it all.

If you're going to argue against that point, Sakura growing from a b!tch to a nice, caring person - i.e., development - then that development will be null and void.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

fireandice was just making a point. Sakura was a b!tch at first - But she developed. The whole point of it all.

If you're going to argue against that point, Sakura growing from a b!tch to a nice, caring person - i.e., development - then that development will be null and void.

Yeah, and I was making that point too, Froot. She really has shown how much she's changed. And we know besides assuming Naruto was trying to make her suffer, Sakura just didn't know the real him that well, like she assumed she did. The same case with Sasuke. She expected Sasuke to be perfect, infallible, and always expected Naruto to give up and fail. Yet she's matured over time to see the truth behind them, and seeing how they really are, her feelings toward her teammates have changed dramatically. Her feelings for Sasuke may still linger, but she has seen him in a platonic sense, and she's also seemed to shown some kind of romantic feelings for Naruto, yet what she does is for both of them many times, to ease the pain she's learned regarding them.

That's why I said what I said. It just shows how much a character can be developed over the couse of a series, especially when said series has almost reached 500 chapters.

Bryon

[ciardha]

fireandice was just making a point. Sakura was a b!tch at first - But she developed. The whole point of it all.

If you're going to argue against that point, Sakura growing from a b!tch to a nice, caring person - i.e., development - then that development will be null and void.

No, I'm saying calling her a b is way way excessive a word. A b would not have acted in what she believed was in risk of her life screaming for a boy she was a b to to run away, creating a distration that drew direct attention to herself. If you are going to use such a word that is far more extreme than is anyway accurate for Sakura, then lets call Naruto a complete kittenwad. It's just as accurate.

The b word is way too strong about the only female that it would even possibly apply to in Naruto would be Koharu.

[Miss Soupy]

Sakura, in the beginning, was cruel towards Naruto. She selfishly thought Naruto only meant to get in the way of her love. Sakura also cruelly said she hated Naruto. But she felt bad about it, and so she should. A girl who acts selfish, cruel and mean towards someone without good reason. I don't think it is a stretch to say she acted like a b****. Sakura learned pretty quickly how wrong she was and began trying to be nicer once she interacted with him more. So yeah, I don't see a point in nitpicking what Sakura should or shouldn't have been called in the beginning when the major point is that she realized she was wrong and changed herself.

[ciardha]

Sakura, in the beginning, was cruel towards Naruto. She selfishly thought Naruto only meant to get in the way of her love. Sakura also cruelly said she hated Naruto. But she felt bad about it, and so she should. A girl who acts selfish, cruel and mean towards someone without good reason.

Uh, no. She thought he was making a mock of her, and she'd been picked on by the other girls about her big forehead and only Ino's friendship kept them from still directly going after her, she thought she was unattractive, then the boy who all he does is play pranks goes around calling her "chan"... it makes complete sense she would say in chapter 4 she hated him. Yet, there she is in chapter 5 shouting out in what she belived was a life endangering action to try to save him, then later the same chapter was angry at Kakashi bullying him.

Naruto was pretty obnxious to boot- loud, dumb, braggart, hyperactive, yet Sakura was pretty decent to him despite that.

It's inaccurate to the manga to go pointing all your fingers at Sakura and saying "what a B" when Naruto's behavior was equally bad. Sasuke was no prize either, and even Kakashi could be kind of a jerk. Sakura though is the only one that gets attacked, by even some people who call themselves narusaku fans. Go back and examine the context- look underneath things as Kakashi even says in one of those early chapters.

Yes, Sakura has grown, but no she wasn't this image created by what in other fandoms is called- "fannon"- not real canon, assumptions based on the more loud mouthed of the fanbase, and remember the majority of the Naruto fanbase in the US hates Sakura. Remove fan assumptions and read and look at the characters in context, not from anti Sakura readers "fannon". She doesn't even fit the tsundere type fully, she shows compassion and caring even early on. She hates seeing others bullied because she suffered through that, we see that in very early part 1.

Edited by ciardha, 18 December 2009 - 05:37 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

I agree with Froot and Miss Soupy In part 1, Sakura thought Naruto wants to see her FAIL, and somewhat annoyed by it, but then again after their bonds had established, she thought wrong about Naruto.

Anyways guys, what do you think other fandoms are saying that Sakura is not capable to love both? That Sakura's romantic feelings are for Sasuke only

[ciardha]

I agree with Froot and Miss Soupy In part 1, Sakura thought Naruto wants to see her FAIL, and somewhat annoyed by it, but then again after their bonds had established, she thought wrong about Naruto.

Sounds more like you agree with me then. They were saying she was a complete b*tch and for no reason. Nope not a b*tch and she had reason to believe Naruto did, all he did in the Academy was play pranks and be an obnxious bragging loudmouth. Not a very good way to win someone over to like you, don't you think?

[Froot]

then lets call Naruto a complete kittenwad. It's just as accurate.

...I'm going to have to disagree with you there, ciardha. It's a bit of a stretch to call him a... complete kittenwad.

No; It's completely out there to call him a complete kittenwad. Not once in the series has Naruto been depicted purposely acting like a complete kittenwad unless he was offended first. Sakura, on the other hand, has acted like like a b*tch unantagonized, purposely, to make space for future development that allows her to digress from her harsh attitude and grow into a kind, caring person.

It is wildly inappropriate to accuse Naruto of being a kittenwad, just because you don't like hearing Sakura being called a derogatory term. Would it make you feel better if fireandice had called her a jerk instead?

And don't think for a second that calling her a b*tch means I dislike her; On the contrary, her growth from the b*tch she once was to the person she is now makes me like her even more.

So there is no reason to start bashing Naruto to compensate for us talking about how Sakura used to be a b*tch.

Edited by Froot, 18 December 2009 - 06:02 PM.

[Nick Soapdish]

As far as i know they are labeling NS as guilt,pain,pity and lies.
guilt due to Sai, Pity/Pain due to Sakura's realization of the burden she made to Naruto, and Lies for the they are assuming Sakura's confession is a fake.

It's not just due to that. It's been labeled as that for a while. Chapter 296 was probably the impetus, maybe earlier, but I didn't see it until maybe a year or two ago. I don't agree with the pity; it's sympathy. As to the rest, if that's all that I saw out of the relationship, I wouldn't wouldn't want them together either - even as friends or teammates.

[Miss Soupy]

Uh, no. She thought he was making a mock of her, and she'd been picked on by the other girls about her big forehead and only Ino's friendship kept them from still directly going after her, she thought she was unattractive, then the boy who all he does is play pranks goes around calling her "chan"... it makes complete sense she would say in chapter 4 she hated him. Yet, there she is in chapter 5 shouting out in what she belived was a life endangering action to try to save him, then later the same chapter was angry at Kakashi bullying him.

Sakura says herself she believes Naruto is only trying to get in the way of her love. This means she revolves all of his actions around her love for Sasuke. And pretty much, she was obsessed with Sasuke at the time, even giving up her friendship with Ino. So no, her actions were not justified and if they were Sakura wouldn't feel so guilty about what she did. She basically made assumptions without trying to figure out the truth.

It's inaccurate to the manga to go pointing all your fingers at Sakura and saying "what a B" when Naruto's behavior was equally bad. Sasuke was no prize either, and even Kakashi could be kind of a jerk. Sakura though is the only one that gets attacked, by even some people who call themselves narusaku fans. Go back and examine the context- look underneath things as Kakashi even says in one of those early chapters.

Uh, don't confuse picking on Sakura for the purpose of bashing with discussing her development... We are talking about how Sakura has developed. We don't have to bring in other characters faults to do so. What Naruto and anyone else should be called is not part of the topic.

Yes, Sakura has grown, but no she wasn't this image created by what in other fandoms is called- "fannon"- not real canon, assumptions based on the more loud mouthed of the fanbase, and remember the majority of the Naruto fanbase in the US hates Sakura. Remove fan assumptions and read and look at the characters in context, not from anti Sakura readers "fannon". She doesn't even fit the tsundere type fully, she shows compassion and caring even early on. She hates seeing others bullied because she suffered through that, we see that in very early part 1.

I am making my observations by what I interpret myself, not what anyone else says or thinks. Sakura is my favorite female character in Naruto. I am not afraid to point out her faults because I know she has grown and become a better person because she realized her mistakes.

@Pinkhearts
I think its silly when people try to argue you cannot love two people at once. While it is true that over time you will most likely become more attached to one out of two people you may be interested in, it is not impossible to love two at a time. It also bothers me when people say you can't choose who you love. Well, no, you can't always choose who you fall in love with. But many people who fall in love with someone who isn't all that nice or great to them don't end up sticking with them. And if they do, they are extremely unhappy with their lives. I don't think kishi means to have Sakura in a relationship that is bad for her.

[Jenskott]

fireandice was just making a point. Sakura was a b!tch at first - But she developed. The whole point of it all.

If you're going to argue against that point, Sakura growing from a b!tch to a nice, caring person - i.e., development - then that development will be null and void.

I'm sorry, Froot, but you are very, very wrong. Sakura's growing wasn't about Sakura being a b*tch and then becoming nice and caring. Her growing was about she being an inmature kid and then maturing. Denying she was a b*tch isn't denying her growing and maturity. It's treating the character fairly.

All arguments I have seen used for justifying the "b*tch" label are fallacies and lies ("She was mean to Naruto for no reason!" Huh, no, she wasn't. She was mean when he was bothering her. Otherwise she couldn't care less about him), misunderstandings about the Tsundere trope ("She is an abuser because she hits Naruto!" No, she isn't an abuser. It's called comic relief) or overexaggerations ("She is so annoying! She was always complaining!" No, she wasn't always complaining, and Naruto complained just so much like her. "She is always hitting Naruto!" No, she isn't. Read the manga).

She was bratty and inmature. And do you know what? Twelve-years old ARE bratty and inmature. And her bad traits are always exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Likewise, her good traits are always overlooked. If you read the manga, you'll find she was nice to Naruto every so often, and she always was caring and compassionate. Her growing process enhanced those traits.

Sakura, in the beginning, was cruel towards Naruto. She selfishly thought Naruto only meant to get in the way of her love. Sakura also cruelly said she hated Naruto. But she felt bad about it, and so she should. A girl who acts selfish, cruel and mean towards someone without good reason. I don't think it is a stretch to say she acted like a b****. Sakura learned pretty quickly how wrong she was and began trying to be nicer once she interacted with him more. So yeah, I don't see a point in nitpicking what Sakura should or shouldn't have been called in the beginning when the major point is that she realized she was wrong and changed herself.

I disagree, Soupy, but Ciardha has made a better argument than me.

Sakura didn't act selfish, cruel and mean towards Naruto without good reason. She DID think HE was being cruel and mean to her, so she treated him harshly when she believed he was bothering her in order to having him to stop (and he could be an annoying, pesky brat, too). Now, her behavior was improper and wrong -and she stopped doing it when she realized it-, but it doesn't make her a b*tch.

I agree with Froot and Miss Soupy In part 1, Sakura thought Naruto wants to see her FAIL, and somewhat annoyed by it, but then again after their bonds had established, she thought wrong about Naruto.

You forget she had been bullied. She knew Naruto was a prankster, and he was always making things annoyed her and humilliated her. What was she supposed to think?

And you -and everyone else- forget we are the readers and we had the benefit of seeing Naruto's thoughts, but she had no that advantage. She acted according what she saw and perceived. It's because that her behavior started changing when she started knowing Naruto better.

Anyways guys, what do you think other fandoms are saying that Sakura is not capable to love both? That Sakura's romantic feelings are for Sasuke only

Despair and denial. No more, no less.

...I'm going to have to disagree with you there, ciardha. It's a bit of a stretch to call him a... complete kittenwad.

No; It's completely out there to call him a complete kittenwad. Not once in the series has Naruto been depicted purposely acting like a complete kittenwad unless he was offended first. Sakura, on the other hand, has acted like like a b*tch unantagonized, purposely, to make space for future development that allows her to digress from her harsh attitude and grow into a kind, caring person.

It is wildly inappropriate to accuse Naruto of being a kittenwad, just because you don't like hearing Sakura being called a derogatory term. Would it make you feel better if fireandice had called her a jerk instead?

And don't think for a second that calling her a b*tch means I dislike her; On the contrary, her growth from the b*tch she once was to the person she is now makes me like her even more.

So there is no reason to start bashing Naruto to compensate for us talking about how Sakura used to be a b*tch.

You are completely mising the point what Ciardha is trying getting across. She is telling calling Sakura a b*tch is so justified like calling Naruto a kittenwad. Sakura was bratty and displayed bad traits; but so Naruto was. If She is to be called a b*tch for that, Naruto is to be called to kittenwad.

You tell not once in the series has Naruto being depicted purposely acting like a complete kittenwad unless he was offended first (I guess we are to forget the instances where he picked on Sasuke out of the blue because he was jealousy of the attention Sasuke received, in spite of Sasuke had done nothing to him. Something Sakura has NEVER done). Sakura has never acted harshly unless she was offended first. Hence, she doesn't deserve that derogatory term more than Naruto.

Make up your mind: If Sakura is a b*tch, Naruto is a kittenwad; if calling Naruto a kittenwad is completely out of the blue, calling Sakura a b*tch is completely out of the blue. You can't have it both ways.

And she wasn't made a b*tch for making space for her future development. She was made into a bratty, inmature, insecure kid. There are one difference.

And for the record, I think the "jerk" term would be more proper. b*tch is completely inaccurate and improper.

Again, she had bad traits. But they didn't make her into a b*tch, and she wasn't meant to anyone with no reason.

It's not just due to that. It's been labeled as that for a while. Chapter 296 was probably the impetus, maybe earlier, but I didn't see it until maybe a year or two ago. I don't agree with the pity; it's sympathy. As to the rest, if that's all that I saw out of the relationship, I wouldn't wouldn't want them together either - even as friends or teammates.

Truthfully, Nick, I think that "guilt, pain, pity and lies" argument is nothing but bad excuses.