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Posted 28 September 2014 - 08:20 PM

Think for youself, dobe :argh:

Naruto wants her to choose him, meaning that he wants to be her first. It can be her only option or that even if she has more options she still chooses him.

I'm just talking about quantity here, not about if one of them has more chances.

No. You can't do Dracarys  :hm: I regret everything. Give somebody an inch and they'll take a mile.  :ermm:

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I can't my head is almost empty I need batteries   :pinch:  :fist:

 

Well that to I agree he also feels unworthy if he doesn't fulfill his promise like he's not a man enough or good for her  but still he wants Sakura to love him only not having also feelings for Sasuke   I think we can agree here  .

 

Oh ok I think I understand .

 

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 08:23 PM

ok I've changed my opinion. :P I blamed Sakura's moment this week on Naruto, whoopsie. Because, well I don't care about him. XD

I have a hard time criticizing my favourite character in first reaction, but I gave it some thought. It just isn't fun being a Sakura fan this week. What happened, what she said, and how she failed wasn't Naruto's fault(in his mind she just collapsed and Kakashi watches over her). She's done this many times, not standing up for herself against Sasuke. I really really like Sakura, but I am getting tired of this. I don't know why Kishimoto makes her do the same mistake over and over again. She's grown up so well, and this side of her is what holds her back.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 08:30 PM

ok I've changed my opinion. :P I blamed Sakura's moment this week on Naruto, whoopsie. Because, well I don't care about him. XD

I have a hard time criticizing my favourite character in first reaction, but I gave it some thought. It just isn't fun being a Sakura fan this week. What happened, what she said, and how she failed wasn't Naruto's fault(in his mind she just collapsed and Kakashi watches over her). She's done this many times, not standing up for herself against Sasuke. I really really like Sakura, but I am getting tired of this. I don't know why Kishimoto makes her do the same mistake over and over again. She's grown up so well, and this side of her is what holds her back.

:thumb: That's great .

 

About time people stop blaming Naruto for that incident  :D


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 08:32 PM

:thumb: That's great .

 

About time people stopped blaming Naruto for that incident  :D

I'm still crying inside ugh why is she doing this to herself :cry:

and why is kishimoto writing her into doing this to herself :cry:

 

ok this made me feel better it's more karin-ish but it's exactly what im thinking so yes please


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 08:51 PM

I can't my head is almost empty I need batteries   :pinch:  :fist:

 

Well that to I agree he also feels unworthy if he doesn't fulfill his promise like he's not a man enough or good for her  but still he wants Sakura to love him only not having also feelings for Sasuke   I think we can agree here  .

 

Oh ok I think I understand .

 

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That's not...okay, forget it.

 

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Just forget it. I stated something, he added his own point and while I agree that it is true, there's no guarantee that you would end up with someone. It's basically your choice, after all and now that you think of it, Naruto would not prefer to be in a relationship with someone other than Sakura, period.

I didn't read your first post. So i had no context. Sorry, I agree.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:37 PM

 

AND.... 

 

Naruto gave us the clue in that scene himself:  "That sounds like something Naruto would say."

 

Not only does Sakura want to hear something romantic and affirming like that from a guy -- Naruto wants to say it.

 

And just in general, I really don't get why some folks are so determined to drag everything down, post after post after post. Lighten up.  We need to take our vitamins and save our strength for the moment NS finally happens.  

 

Even if we think it could have been done better, we will still like it a crapton better than the alternatives -- or than our fandom counterparts will.   :yes:

Admittedly, I was like that in the beginning, but I believe that was only my initial reaction. After that, and when I take a step back, my mind has changed to something else.

I think some have the right idea, but they are looking at it from the wrong angle. Which is why I tried to see it another way and it tells a different story. I am not sure what is the right way to view this scene, but I do know that initial reaction is not the way it should be seen. I also still think Kishi could have done a whole lot better in terms of all of this, but I feel that the entire story surrounding Sasuke and this bromance/love triangle could have been handled much better. So it is just one part of a whole.
 

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Sorry, but i just see a bunch of letters and my eyes are kinda hurt. Sometimes i forget how to talk in spanish. Could you use more commas?

Let's see...Well, i don't agree that it's impossible to still place her loving Naruto more than she was for Sasuke. I don't exactly know how to explain this. Her feelings for Sasuke looks more intense for the situation. Or are you telling me that if right now were Naruto, she wouldn't worry at the same level? Or...worst?

 

The situation doesn't make her love for Sasuke more powerful than her's for Naruto. WHAT? Okay, i need to calm down. Better i don't touch this subject.

It all comes down to that intensity of those emotions with one boy and the other. If a relationship is always about tense emotions, then the relationship is not working. True love is about being comfortable with the other person and not trying to "fill a quota" I should put it. Look at how Sakura and Naruto behave with each other. They are comfortable, easy going, and only really gets tense when the moment calls for it. This is unlike with Sasuke where the moments are always stressful, tense, angst, and so much more. They are not comfortable around him or anything involving him. Sasuke is just toxic. This goes for both Naruto AND Sakura, but they still hang onto to him.

I don't think "powerful" is the right word here. In fact they are both powerful. The true difference is what kind of power that those relationships hold with one being more of a postive and the other being more negative. We've seen Sakura worry about Naruto when she really thought he was in danger. I still have the moment with the Gaara retrieval arc where Sakura says "Naruto, it is you who I am worried about" and he just moves on. Even though Naruto doesn't think high of himself or his safety, Sakura does. So, it is just two different kinds of powerful feelings.

If you want to think of it metaphorically, it is like Superman with sunlight and Kryptonite. When enough sunlight to power him, Superman can effortlessly move planets and stars themselves. With kryptonite, he is severely weakened to the point of death. They both have a powerful effect on him, but they are opposite effects. To Sakura, Naruto is her sun and Sasuke is her kryptonite.
 


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:39 PM

I feel that you are taking that one incident way too seriously. Again, all your arguments are based entirely on logic.

Its my opinion that all words/incidents SHOULD NOT be analysed logically. That's what I said in my previous post and its what I say again.


Yes, because that's what this incident in the manga is about. It concerns the logic behind Guy's decision to commit suicide for the sake of his personalised, self-obsessed connection with Lee. I know this might come across as ludicrous to some, but the level of heedless fanaticism that his quote reflected during that conversation reminded me somewhat of Naruto's resolution to die with Sasuke if he couldn't be saved in time during their battle. That statement just flew in the face of every relationship that he's ever had with anyone, including his love for Sakura, and the hopes that were resting on his shoulders(excluding Itachi's). Again, their deaths would not impact just them, many people would be suffering as a result.

Looking at this situation from a strictly emotional point of view, I would still argue that Guy's decision is bringing about more harm than good for other people. I'm sure the rest of his squad has at least developed a grudging respect for him throughout the many adventures they've doubtlessly had with each other. And what about Kakashi's fondness for Guy - the deep-rooted understanding that they've had for each other since Guy first branded Kakashi as his rival when they were children? Is Lee really worth leaving all of these other connections and the grief that will be inevitably felt behind?
 

Its not even as if Gai died. To analyse this so much?! I'm sure there have been a number of times many other characters have said words based on emotion and not logic.

 
I just referenced a moment above that fits your criteria. My disapproval remains the same. In fact, it might even be worst given the nature of the various relationships that Naruto has with other people besides Sasuke.

Guy's death would be a waste (except to Lee), Naruto's is a tragedy that has no intrinsic value to anyone besides a man who doesn't appreciate the sacrifice being made for him.
 

Why is Gai being judged so harshly for that one incident which, you know, actually ended up helping Lee? There were no negative consequences.

  
I think his favouritism holds qualities that are negatively impactful, simple as that.
 

Because of the plot. Sakura was supposed to be weak and she was supposed to feel as though she was completely useless to the team.
Because of this very reason she approaches Tsunade at the end of part 1.


You're describing the underlying motive for Kishi to withhold training and screen time from Sakura. From an in-universe perspective, this negligence still reflects poorly on Kakashi's teaching abilites because of his unwillingness to do anything to help better one of the core members of his squad. How do you think this would have impacted the cohesion of the team if she can't even recognise the blurs that her teammates have become?

Ahhh! What does it matter? They're already so far above everyone else that Naruto's clones could probably offer better support than Sakura or Kakashi.

 

 

He did not focus on Sakura because at that moment, in that limited time period, he had to focus on Sasuke and teach him the Chidori.

Sakura did not even make it past preliminaries. There was no immediate necessity to train her. And did Sakura even have any sort of desire to become a strong ninja at that point?

I don't remember her approaching Kakashi and requesting him to train her. Naruto did so but Sakura did not.


I don't recall Kakashi needing to stand next to Naruto when he was being taught how to properly harness his element. Even when you factor in their similar styles and the Chidori being a completely different technique than anything Sasuke had ever used up until that point, much of the time spent would have been just practice. You mean to tell me that Kakashi couldn't reallocate a small bit of that time where he was just monitoring Sasuke's efforts towards giving Naruto and Sakura some instruction of their own?

Let's not forget that Kakashi wasn't even approached by Sasuke for training until a week or two after the one month hiatus had started. Kakashi should be offering to train Sakura for the simple reason that he's her teacher, it's expected that he'll play a part in her growth. It's a much better use of his free time than lounging about reading Jiraiya's books.
 
 

Kakashi did not focus on Naruto because Jiraiya told him that he would train Naruto. 

During the Chuunin exams.

When Itachi and Kisame come to capture Naruto and they confront Kakashi, there's a flashback where this is shown.

Remember Jiraiya teaching Naruto the summoning jutsu before his fight against Neji? And also teaching Naruto to use Kurama's chakra?


I'm looking over the flashback in question, and there's no specific date for when the conversation took place. Naruto continued receiving training from Jiraiya after the Chunin Exams and there's a window of time between the Sound/Sand Invasion and Search for Tsunade arcs that's unaccounted for.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:51 PM

ok I've changed my opinion. :P I blamed Sakura's moment this week on Naruto, whoopsie. Because, well I don't care about him. XD

I have a hard time criticizing my favourite character in first reaction, but I gave it some thought. It just isn't fun being a Sakura fan this week. What happened, what she said, and how she failed wasn't Naruto's fault(in his mind she just collapsed and Kakashi watches over her). She's done this many times, not standing up for herself against Sasuke. I really really like Sakura, but I am getting tired of this. I don't know why Kishimoto makes her do the same mistake over and over again. She's grown up so well, and this side of her is what holds her back.

It's the same thing with Naruto too though in still asking why he can't let go of Sasuke either. Some people like to excuse; some don't. I still think Naruto had more reasons to drop Sasuke all together and he didn't. It's even worse when you have Naruto the kind of guy who kind of stops doing things because of Sasuke. The only reason he doesn't want to tell Sakura how he feels is because of Sasuke and the same for his reasons for not being Hokage.

Naruto and Sakura have their own blame and burdens to bear, but there is one thing I do blame Naruto for...at least, if it is true.

Because Naruto is more, what I feel, obsessed with Sasuke than Sakura is I have this strange feeling Sakura tried to get over Sasuke, but Naruto pushed her back into it. I just feel that yeah while Sasuke still is a soft spot for her, Naruto didn't exactly help see her a truth. In fact, I could argue he even helped reinforce the lie about Sasuke because even Naruto refused to believe it.

It;s just this weird feeling over Sakura's confession back then and Naruto saying "I hate people who lie to themselves." I feel like Sakura's feelings were totally genuine in that confession, but Naruto convinced her it was a lie.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 September 2014 - 09:52 PM.

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:59 PM

What really bums me out is that Sakura's line "don't slip any further away" would have been a great line for who to use for Naruto when he was at death's door. Kishi almost always has Sakura say the romantic stuff with SS instead of the pair he's made clear is endgame. This is also what upset me about 540. I love the "turning down the admirer because you love someone else" trope.....then it turns out to be the guy who was choking you not too long ago.

 

Instead with NS he sticks with the "will they, won't they crap" and only has other characters say how obvious the pairing is.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:03 PM

 

Instead with NS he sticks with the "will they, won't they crap" and only has other characters say how obvious the pairing is.

That's basically the premise of every harem manga/anime known to exist.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:08 PM

It's the same thing with Naruto too though in still asking why he can't let go of Sasuke either. Some people like to excuse; some don't. I still think Naruto had more reasons to drop Sasuke all together and he didn't. It's even worse when you have Naruto the kind of guy who kind of stops doing things because of Sasuke. The only reason he doesn't want to tell Sakura how he feels is because of Sasuke and the same for his reasons for not being Hokage.

Naruto and Sakura have their own blame and burdens to bear, but there is one thing I do blame Naruto for...at least, if it is true.

Because Naruto is more, what I feel, obsessed with Sasuke than Sakura is I have this strange feeling Sakura tried to get over Sasuke, but Naruto pushed her back into it. I just feel that yeah while Sasuke still is a soft spot for her, Naruto didn't exactly help see her a truth. In fact, I could argue he even helped reinforce the lie about Sasuke because even Naruto refused to believe it.

It;s just this weird feeling over Sakura's confession back then and Naruto saying "I hate people who lie to themselves." I feel like Sakura's feelings were totally genuine in that confession, but Naruto convinced her it was a lie.

Can't become hokage if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Can't confess to Sakura if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Don't be surprised if he can't have his next meal if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Everything needs to be on pause for widdle ol' Sasuke.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:21 PM

That's basically the premise of every harem manga/anime known to exist.

except those are grissle parts, Kishi gave all the juicy parts of the steak to SS.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

Can't become hokage if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Can't confess to Sakura if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Don't be surprised if he can't have his next meal if widdle ol' Sasuke isn't saved. Everything needs to be on pause for widdle ol' Sasuke.

Sasuke: I don't have a girlfriend.
Naruto: What!? No you stay in Konoha! I will stop trying to confess to Sakura-chan until I find one for you!

Sasuke: I don't have a wife.
Naruto: What!? Don't go out of the village just to find them! I will stop proposing to Sakura-chan until you find one!

Sasuke: My wife is barren.
Naruto: What? If you need, I'll lend Sakura-chan to you while I stay a virgin!

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

except those are grissle parts, Kishi gave all the juicy parts of the steak to SS.


Juicy parts? There is absolutely nothing good about Sasusaku, if anything he under lightened the negativeness of it.

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:26 PM

Juicy parts? There is absolutely nothing good about Sasusaku, if anything he under lightened the negativeness of it.

Yes but that's through Sasuke's end. When it comes to Sakura with Sasuke it reaffirms her feelings with him. With Naruto its more ambiguous cuz we gotta keep the ending a mystery.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:31 PM

Yes but that's through Sasuke's end. When it comes to Sakura with Sasuke it reaffirms her feelings with him. With Naruto its more ambiguous cuz we gotta keep the ending a mystery.


Her feelings for him hurts her, they are negative no matter how many times she reaffirms them.
 
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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:33 PM

Sasuke: I don't have a girlfriend.
Naruto: What!? No you stay in Konoha! I will stop trying to confess to Sakura-chan until I find one for you!

Sasuke: I don't have a wife.
Naruto: What!? Don't go out of the village just to find them! I will stop proposing to Sakura-chan until you find one!

Sasuke: My wife is barren.
Naruto: What? If you need, I'll lend Sakura-chan to you while I stay a virgin!

Lol. You suddenly reminded me of a story in which Sakura was married to Sasuke and barren. So Sasuke sent her packing to Naruto...

It was pure gold. "Seduce my wife" or something like that.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:33 PM

Her feelings for him hurts her, they are negative no matter how many times she reaffirms them.

Why exactly does Kishi even need to do this? Having him be a psychological crutch on her seems pointless and only there to extend the pairing wars and his wallet's weight at the expense of her and the fans suffering for someone we know is quite possibly the most spoiled fictional character.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:36 PM

except those are grissle parts, Kishi gave all the juicy parts of the steak to SS.

If by juicy parts you mean the "fatty chewy disgusting parts," then yeah, sure.
 

It's not really juicy parts at all. Maybe we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes to a  "juicy moment," but moments that are overly emotional to the point of annoyance and are only meant for drama are not what I call the "juicy parts."

I'll put it this way, I would hate these moments even if they were for NS and not SS. I like the NS moments as they are because they are realistic portrayals of love. Not emotional baggage.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 September 2014 - 10:40 PM.

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:39 PM

So any news of the new chapter coming out?






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