Why do you keep bringing the influence on other characters into this matter?
I'm addressing the consequences that Guy's relationship with Lee has on other people. His actions might have a positive impact on Lee, but his conversation with Lee preceding the operation painted his dedication in a narrow-minded light.
Plus I am talking about Gai and Lee's bond, not about whether or not Gai, as an individual, is characterized well.
Oh, but that's what the lion's share of Guy's characterisation is derived from. His willingness to die for Lee's sake is a product of the way of life he chose for himself by vowing to transform Lee into a capable ninja. I'm poking holes at the fact that Guy is limited by his extremist attitude to kill himself if the sole objective that's he limited himself to was taken from him.
Are we talking about Gai's proclamation that he would die along with Lee?
Yes, we are. And it so happens that the personal motives and conduct of Guy are relevant to his reasoning for making that bold proclamation.
If so, You are being too harsh on him. People can't always be cold and calculative! Sometimes, when emotions are running high, the mind says what the heart feels.
How did you come to the conclusion that I was referring to Guy's behaviour as cold and calculative? The assurances that he would be standing next to Lee when he died (figuratively speaking) were earnest, but what I'm addressing is the inconsiderate nature of his promise in regards tohis other teammates and the village. You could see how distraught Guy was by his student's life-or-death situation. To observe Lee in the dejected state that he was in after being crippled must have been like torture for him. So when he hears about the uncertain odds at restoring his limbs, it's either all or nothing for their respective dreams. If the operation fails, Lee will have died for nothing and Guy's nindo will have been irreparably taken from him.
The offer to die might be interpreted as a true sign of noble commitment to another person, but it doesn't detract from the lack of consideration for the consequences his death would have for Neji and Tenten, and for the village by weakening it even further when it was already in such a fragile state at the time.
Its wrong to criticize someone of not thinking logically when the situation is emotional. Its especially harder if the person they are worried for at that moment is much closer to their heart than everyone else.
I might have agreed with you if Kishi had later clarified that Guy's statement to kill himself was made on impulse to give reassurances to Lee. There's nothing to indicate that he wasn't being sincere with his promise, however. There's even a panel of Guy comparing the honesty of his words with Naruto's during the famous PoaL.
And he must have had some time to reflect upon the consequences that would follow his death since he wasn't informed of the operation's results until the next day or the day after that when Lee had already absconded from his room and was on his way to save Naruto from Kimimaro.
Eh? When I am talking about the relation between any two people I only think about how it impacts the two in question. I think that's how its supposed to looked at.
When someone talks about the relationship between a husband and his wife, they talk about the husband and the wife. They're not gonna think about how this relationship affects the neighbours of the said couple.
Not if it inadvertently affects other people by the actions of the two people in question. I've already laid out my reasoning for how this suicidal act would add to the trauma that the village and Team Guy was already enduring.
This isn't about a man and woman who are romantically involved in a private affair that's confined to an isolated environment. It's about a student and his overly passionate sensei killing himself when he has other obligations to the remaining members of his squad, the institutions he's part of, and the civilian population of his country as a whole.
eAnd please don't talk about 'rose-tinted glasses' and such. You say I only look at the positives and I'll say you are only looking at the negatives 
Besides alleviating his student's anxiety and his own guilty conscience, there was nothing positive about Guy killing himself. Everyone would be hurting because it means there's one less experienced shinobi to protect the people and safeguard the country from possible invasions. A squad is left leaderless, and their ability to carry out their duties is hampered until a replacement can be picked for them out of a selection pool that was already depleted as a result of the last war.
Fair enough. But there's a good reason why Kakashi selectively preferred to look after Sasuke at that time.
1) Sasuke was in danger from Orochimaru and the effects of the cursemark while Naruto and Sakura were in no such dangers.
I'll grant you this. Keeping Sasuke under closer surveillance after Orochimaru and Kabuto made moves against him is a sensible motive.
2) Sasuke had proceeded to the next round while Sakura got knocked out. Obviously he would train Sasuke and not Sakura.
Why is this competition acting like a barrier that's inhibiting Kakashi's ability to properly train his students whom he'll be working together with long after the exams are over? There was absolutely no reason for Kakashi to turn a blind eye to Sakura. That one month interval could have been used to strengthen the fundamentals of Team 7's cooperation as well as their individual power.
3) Sasuke possesses the Sharingan and Kakashi had a reasonable amount of expertise in using its powers. Kakashi was ideal to train him.
Okay, but that's not an apt justification for leaving Naruto and Sakura to manage for themselves. They were also looking towards Kakashi for guidance and support in their training. If Guy was eager to try and instruct Neji and Tenten on how to open the celestial gates (both of whom don't even use the Strong Fist style that's viable for the technique) then I see no reason for Kakashi to withhold any efforts in teaching his other students as well. The man is one of the most versatile shinobi in the world. Surely there was at least one ability or training method that he could have worked out to better Naruto and Sakura's power. Help Naruto to better control his chakra, teach Sakura some genjutsu abilities so that her latent potential doesn't appear like so much of a waste as it does now... Even some basic instruction on how to fight more effectively in CQC would be a positive for the group, especially for Sakura who had one of the lowest taijutsu stats in the manga at the time.
4) Jiraiya had asked Kakashi to teach Sasuke how to use the Sharingan and had told Kakashi to leave Naruto's training to him.
Did this take place during or after the Chunin Exams?
Edited by Atheck, 28 September 2014 - 07:37 PM.
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The Gold Saints
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Does that mean I can do Dracarys 
. So in the end you do love me and you do forgive me I always knew it 
Just take my body I've heard you need a liver anyway so my body is yours 
