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[arian_rad]

 
I highly doubt it. Something really tragic has been hinted towards since chapter 631. Let's take the title of chapter 632 for example. 
After the ominous foreshadowing in 634 you can basically rename it from 'Fighting, Side by Side' to 'Fighting, Side by Side, for the last time'.
Sakura has  a really confident expression on the last page of 634 (panel 5). It's obvious that she's ready to go against Sasuke for sure, this time. Strong but unpredictable people don't belong on the battlefield.
And it's not like there aren't enough strong ninjas on the battlefield right now. 
 
Furthermore, if Sasuke really cared about Sakura he would turn off his Sharingan and stop utilizing his hatred to get enhanced Jutsus. I think that's what Sakura realized at the end of 634, but maybe I'm wrong.
I know she didn't see Sasuke's face after the attack on the Juubi, but I'm sure her intuition tells her 
that something is wrong with him.
He should apologize to her instead, for having caused her pain for such a long time.

Also as I stated earlier, with minato there, the shield for any sasusaku moments that may be huge has been activated. With him there, we can almost assume something with narusaku will happen which will be HUGE not sasusaku. Also it's pretty obvious what kishi is doing where at the point that sakura is getting her most character development, she will be able to get over her barrier which has held her back for so long and made her sad being sasuke. It's the final step to complete her development and funny how sasuke comes back at such a moment as well.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Where in my post I said you were bashing her?

I ask you to stop downplaying her power since the girl is very strong right now, it would be nice if we can acknowledge the new improve Sakura for once.

I'm not downplaying her power i'm just stating the obvious if you doesnt agree since you did make any claim to back up your arguments instead of attacking me, i said she was stronger than before but not on kage's level and you take it as a downplay lol?

Just agree to disagree since you didnt pointed a single argument to back up why she's on kage's level.

 

Alos about Tsunade saying she's the strongest female character, from there you can see the level of the female characters on the manga, she's the strongest due to the lack of other strong female characters, it's all support, even Mito Uzumaki who's supposed to be the strongest "Hyakugou/Byakugou seal + Jichuuriki" did nothing on the fight against Madara, i cant judge her since there's no panels about her powers.
More importantly we have Hianta who took 3 whole years to finish a jutsu, we have tenten who got a powerup and later was stolen.
All the females characters doesnt get close to guys like Naruto, the previous kages, Sasuke, Madara, Itachi, Nagato and so on...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 June 2013 - 02:52 PM.

[Lalufuffy]

I kinda don't get why Minato didn't give Naruto the other half of Kurama's chakra right away. Can anyone explain it to me?

I guess he can also sense malice and trusts Orochimaru. But hey, anything could happen. Orochimaru could release Edo Tensei anyway, or he might get sealed.

Another question, does Minato remember his previous encounter with Naruto (pain fight)? Wasn't it more like a chakra program thing?

Edited by Lalufuffy, 17 June 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[bthug]

Well yeah, other wise it wouldn't be a confession lol

Damn, I wanted that to be at the end.

 

 

Kishi as well as the anime team do a fantastic  job of drawing Sakura when it really matters.

Edited by bthug, 17 June 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[sushi.]

I kinda don't get why Minato didn't give Naruto the other half of Kurama's chakra right away. Can anyone explain it to me?

I guess he can also sense malice and trusts Orochimaru. But hey, anything could happen. Orochimaru could release Edo Tensei anyway, or he might get sealed.

Another question, does Minato remember his previous encounter with Naruto (pain fight)? Wasn't it more like a chakra program thing?

The first question also puzzles me.

 

I don't think Minato remembers his talk with Naruto in the Pain arc because he was surprised and impressed, seeing the rasenshuriken..and he already saw that in the Pain arc.

 

This is my understanding of the matter..

Minato split his chakra, sealing one part in Naruto. When the part was released after the Pain arc, he faded into the afterlife. I think I remember Kushina said she could finally meet Minato again(in the afterlife), which supports this.

The other part was still sealed in Shiki Fuujin, and when Minato is sealed again he will go to the afterlife, maybe then he will remember.

[Luna]

I'm not downplaying her power i'm just stating the obvious if you doesnt agree since you did make any claim to back up your arguments instead of attacking me, i said she was stronger than before but not on kage's level and you take it as a downplay lol?

Just agree to disagree since you didnt pointed a single argument to back up why she's on kage's level.

 

Alos about Tsunade saying she's the strongest female character, from there you can see the level of the female characters on the manga, she's the strongest due to the lack of other strong female characters, it's all support, even Mito Uzumaki who's supposed to be the strongest "Hyakugou/Byakugou seal + Jichuuriki" did nothing on the fight against Madara, i cant judge her since there's no panels about her powers.
More importantly we have Hianta who took 3 whole years to finish a jutsu, we have tenten who got a powerup and later was stolen.
All the females characters doesnt get close to guys like Naruto, the previous kages, Sasuke, Madara, Itachi, Nagato and so on...

Having strong attacks and defensive techniques isn't the only thing that makes a ninja kage level. Tsunade is renowned for her healing abilities which are on kage level which automatically put her on kage level. Everything doesn't have to be attacking. Also Tsunade is good at evading which is also on kage level and not to mention katsuyu which withstand Pein's Shinra tensai.   That said even healing has it offensive capabilities which Tsunade was going to demonstrate when Orochimaru wanted his hands healed or by which Kabuto demonstrated. Also healing/offensive medical ninjutsu doesn't have to be close range as Kabuto demonstrated when he healed sakura when the kyuubi hit her arm. Furthermore, Tsunade's Temporary Immortality puts her on Kage level because if any of the other kages had taken madara's susano's sword they would have died. You cannot downplay Tsunade's Medical Arts and intelligence Just because she hasn't shown many attacks or Defensive capabilities (Gaar's sand, susano or wood release).

[Lalufuffy]

Damn, I wanted that to be at the end.

 

 

Kishi as well as the anime team do a fantastic  job of drawing Sakura when it really matters.

 

Why? The confession scene is awesome. In chapter 458 (page 15) she had that emotional outburst so it's kinda reasonable that she wanted to confess to Naruto as soon as possible.

I really like the lordofice72 video, he really knows what he's talking about. 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PtisxlDoSR4

 

Another question, does the youtube account 'narusaku uzumaki' belong to the host of this site?

I sent a message to that account because I couldn't register here.

Edited by Lalufuffy, 17 June 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Having strong attacks and defensive techniques isn't the only thing that makes a ninja kage level. Tsunade is renowned for her healing abilities which are on kage level which automatically put her on kage level. Everything doesn't have to be attacking. Also Tsunade is good at evading which is also on kage level and not to mention katsuyu which withstand Pein's Shinra tensai.   That said even healing has it offensive capabilities which Tsunade was going to demonstrate when Orochimaru wanted his hands healed or by which Kabuto demonstrated. Also healing/offensive medical ninjutsu doesn't have to be close range as Kabuto demonstrated when he healed sakura when the kyuubi hit her arm. Furthermore, Tsunade's Temporary Immortality puts her on Kage level because if any of the other kages had taken madara's susano's sword they would have died. You cannot downplay Tsunade's Medical Arts and intelligence Just because she hasn't shown many attacks or Defensive capabilities (Gaar's sand, susano or wood release).

I didnt pointed out only strong attack and defensive abilities and also supportive skills, Tsunade is only known by her supportive skill she doenst have neither defensive or offensive, she has offensive but it's only one, her strong punch which can be defended with Susanoo and other jutsus and also can be easily avoided against someome that has a great speed like A, Naruto, Minato.

And other ninjas who has abilities to evade, evasion is something that can be also performed with Jutsus, also i dont see her evading when she got cut in half or either when she activated her seal and took two of Madara's spears.

She went agaisnt wiht only her brute strenght which was the reason why she lose against Madara, obviously that she would not win against him but there it was obvious for someome who's supposedly to be on kage's level, cant be too limited like her.

 

Also her immortality didnt served as nothing(what about her evasion?) only for her to use herself as a decoy to get close to Madara and punch him which also again shows how she's limited, she only has her brute force and things cant be like it, she used her own body to get close to Madara to punch him, which Jiraiya scolded Naruto when he did the same thing on his fight with Kabuto.

Which shows her limited strategy (get close to punch) same thing on Naruto and Sakura vs Kakashi (You wont be able to punch your opponent if he dodge all of your attacks)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 June 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[Luna]

I didnt pointed out only strong attack and defensive abilities and also supportive skills, Tsunade is only known by her supportive skill she doenst have neither defensive or offensive, she has offensive but it's only one, her strong punch which can be defended with Susanoo and other jutsus and also can be easily avoided against someome that has a great speed like A, Naruto, Minato.

And other ninjas who has abilities to evade, evasion is something that can be also performed with Jutsus, also i dont see her evading when she got cut in half or either when she activated her seal and took two of Madara's spears.

She went agaisnt wiht only her brute strenght which was the reason why she lose against Madara, obviously that she would not win against him but there it was obvious for someome who's supposedly to be on kage's level, cant be too limited like her.

 

Also her immortality didnt served as nothing(what about her evasion?) only for her to use herself as a decoy to get close to Madara and punch him which also again shows how she's limited, she only has her brute force and things cant be like it, she used her own body to get close to Madara to punch him, which Jiraiya scolded Naruto when he did the same thing on his fight with Kabuto.

Then by going what you're saying Gaara and the others kages aren't on kage level  either because they couldn't touch madara either. :3

[Gravenimage]

Then by going what you're saying Gaara and the others kages aren't on kage level  either because they couldn't touch madara either. :3

 

lol this^

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Then by going what you're saying Gaara and the others kages aren't on kage level  either because they couldn't touch madara either. :3

Where did i said she wasnt on kage's level because she could not touch Madara?

The kages used different types of strategy, one of them was to trap him, then later tranformed A into a heavy missile enhancing his punch and making use of his speed and so on, and using different types of jutsus and combinations while Tsunade only had one strategy, use her body as a decoy with her immortality and punch him.

This is shows how she's limited, ofc she wont be able to defeat him neither the other kages, but if you compare her to the other kages which can have a lot of different strategies and more resources than just brute strenght.

[Don-kun]

Where did i said she wasnt on kage's level because she could not touch Madara?

The kages used different types of strategy, one of them was to trap him, then later tranformed A into a heavy missile enhancing his punch and making use of his speed and so on, and using different types of jutsus and combinations while Tsunade only had one strategy, use her body as a decoy with her immortality and punch him.

This is shows how she's limited, ofc she wont be able to defeat him neither the other kages, but if you compare her to the other kages which can have a lot of different strategies and more resources than just brute strenght.

 

 

 

Tsunade is not on kage's level.

Minato has strong defensive and strong offensive skill with his Thunder god technique, strong supportive skills with his seals.

Naruto is basically complete but doesnt have healing.

Sakura nad Tsunade is nowhere near, she only has one offensive skill with his her brute strenght, she doenst have speed, she doesnt have a strong defense, she only has strong supportive defensive skills with her healing and her summon.

 

About A, he has a high speed, and relies on that, his lighting shield serves as defense and even as offensive, he's a balanced on that, you cant touch him when he's with his shield activated, he only lacks ranged attacks, which is overrided by his high speed.

Hokage candidat doesnt mean kage's level you know very well the deal they made for tsunade to be hokage, none of the stronger ninjas of the village(that are on kage's level) wanted to be one.

I think you're not undestanding the difference that not being on kage's level doesnt mean she's weak.

 

@megi yes it makes her less powerfull, due to the lack of options and  this affect the strategies that she can adopt.

 

Forgetful aren't we?

Edited by Don-kun, 17 June 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

 

 

Forgetful aren't we?

I didnt said she wanst on kage's level because she could not touch Madara, i said she wasnt on kage's level because of her limitations, in other words she's not on Kage's level and my two posts states that, aside you did not show nothing didnt even made claims or show manga proof or whatever, completely missing the point of my posts.

You're not responding to my posts you're giving the impression that you dont like the way i think about Tsunade and has nothing to coutner my arguments and is now just twisting my posts and making fun of it a.k.a bashing.

If you have nothing to say or counter my posts then doesnt quote me.

 

Since I'm going to sleep soon I'll reply later. 

 

Atheck and Darkerest

Regarding Sakura, I have to admit she is being overrated in the Japanese Forums.

She's being considered to be Kage Level even though it's most likely only her brute strength and healing abilities that are Kage Level.

If she is considered to be Kage Level she's got to show more speed, more variety of attacks, better reflex. 

You can't beat an opponent with just brute strength. 

Basically this.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 June 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I highly doubt it. Something really tragic has been hinted towards since chapter 631. Let's take the title of chapter 632 for example. 

After the ominous foreshadowing in 634 you can basically rename it from 'Fighting, Side by Side' to 'Fighting, Side by Side, for the last time'.

Sakura has  a really confident expression on the last page of 634 (panel 5). It's obvious that she's ready to go against Sasuke for sure, this time. Strong but unpredictable people don't belong on the battlefield.

And it's not like there aren't enough strong ninjas on the battlefield right now. 

 

Furthermore, if Sasuke really cared about Sakura he would turn off his Sharingan and stop utilizing his hatred to get enhanced Jutsus. I think that's what Sakura realized at the end of 634, but maybe I'm wrong.

I know she didn't see Sasuke's face after the attack on the Juubi, but I'm sure her intuition tells her 

that something is wrong with him.

He should apologize to her instead, for having caused her pain for such a long time.

It's funny because I used to say using Amaterasu shows your evilness in you because it seems pretty brutal since it's a one hit kill when you really think about it. But then again, you do need it to stop Juubi and with wind element, it can cover the body in no time. The only problem is that all it takes to kill it. My guess is no, unless we see Madara goes like, "Well, that's all, folks." Still, I feel like the victory panels happened too soon, which means it's false victory. That all said what's next to happen, Sasuke's motive revealed or Juubi's final transformation. I can see the transformation happens to prevent everyone learning Sasuke and put it on hold to fight longer on Juubi, but then Obito returns (with no Kakashi). We're almost at the end of the volume, so something grand will be happening.

 

I do wonder about Sasuke and Naruto is the only one close to him. Perhaps next chapter they will talk to each other.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 17 June 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[bthug]

 

Why? The confession scene is awesome. In chapter 458 (page 15) she had that emotional outburst so it's kinda reasonable that she wanted to confess to Naruto as soon as possible.

Idk to me the confession scene is still eh. Not debating if was geniune or what the meaning behind it was, the reason it doesnt resonante with me is I just dont get why Kishi put it there and why.

 

Seems dramatic and out of place, No real build up IMO. Even afterwards Naruto is convinved that Sakura still loves Sasuke, but then in the recent chapter tells Minato that Sakura is more or less his girlfriend.Just doesnt add up.

 

However

 

I believe Kishi put the confession their for a reason and it will be used as a refernce later for something. It just has to be.

[Lalufuffy]

It's funny because I used to say using Amaterasu shows your evilness in you because it seems pretty brutal since it's a one hit kill when you really think about it. But then again, you do need it to stop Juubi and with wind element, it can cover the body in no time. The only problem is that all it takes to kill it. My guess is no, unless we see Madara goes like, "Well, that's all, folks." Still, I feel like the victory panels happened too soon, which means it's false victory. That all said what's next to happen, Sasuke's motive revealed or Juubi's final transformation. I can see the transformation happens to prevent everyone learning Sasuke and put it on hold to fight longer on Juubi, but then Obito returns (with no Kakashi). We're almost at the end of the volume, so something grand will be happening.

 

I do wonder about Sasuke and Naruto is the only one close to him. Perhaps next chapter they will talk to each other.

 

Maybe the Juubi will become smaller but faster and and more flexible who knows. 

Anyway, does anyone here think that Obito might have changed Itachi's eyes somehow before reimplanting them into Sasuke? 

We know that he's smart so he'd probably anticipated the current situation. 

My prediction: Obito or Madara will control Sasuke. Madara knows a lot about the Sharingan so he could have another strong Genjutsu ready to go which only works if the target is an Uchiha full of hatred. And if Obito really manipulated Itachi's eyes then it will be even easier for Madara to turn Sasuke into their puppet.

 

Oh yeah, Sasuke using Amaterasu in chapter 634 kinda adds to the negative image Sakura had of Sasuke in

chapter 540 (the one with flames in the background). It's a repeated motif. 

And of course there's also the foreshadowing in chapter 488 (page 14, panel 1) in which Naruto had a grey 

face and a really serious expression. This also enhances the foreshadowing in 634.

Edited by Lalufuffy, 17 June 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Dkey]

It's funny because I used to say using Amaterasu shows your evilness in you because it seems pretty brutal since it's a one hit kill when you really think about it. But then again, you do need it to stop Juubi and with wind element, it can cover the body in no time. The only problem is that all it takes to kill it. My guess is no, unless we see Madara goes like, "Well, that's all, folks." Still, I feel like the victory panels happened too soon, which means it's false victory. That all said what's next to happen, Sasuke's motive revealed or Juubi's final transformation. I can see the transformation happens to prevent everyone learning Sasuke and put it on hold to fight longer on Juubi, but then Obito returns (with no Kakashi). We're almost at the end of the volume, so something grand will be happening.

 

I do wonder about Sasuke and Naruto is the only one close to him. Perhaps next chapter they will talk to each other.

Hmm the editor note or whatever is on the bottom right side talked about dark clouds coming. It could mean that the juubi may be out of commission for a while.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hmm the editor note or whatever is on the bottom right side talked about dark clouds coming. It could mean that the juubi may be out of commission for a while.

Which begs the question: who's causing the dark clouds to come?

[Atheck]

Which begs the question: who's causing the dark clouds to come?

 

Orochimaru as he creates a zombified Sot6P with a few modifications that allows him to use any ability in existence. It's the one Achilles' Heel that the Jubi has and there would be no one who could hope to stop him. As absurd as it may sound the possibility is there.

[Inferno180]

Which begs the question: who's causing the dark clouds to come?

 

Well its an editors note, I mean remember what Slextrem herself said, At the end of 573 with Sasuke emerging from the mountains graveyard, the editors note said, "carnage is about to come to the battlefield" like her, I expected Sasuke to appear and just start messing with the shinobi allaince, basically make a bigger mess out of things. This did not happen with him going to aid Itachi against Kabuto and then going to the leaf village and back to the ten tails battlefield.

 

The editors note can give us an idea but at other times it may be unclear or what they expect to come. So the Jubbi can be incapaitated for now for all reasons but it may get up again to fight. As for Sasuke, well the dark clouds to come, Sasuke's true motives, there is a lot of room for speculation I mean Madara himself can still give him inquiry as why he wants to be hokage or how Hashirama told him his story, Sasuke may ask Madara why he did the things he thought were right and how he himself felt about Inzuna. Madara himself represents the best of the curse of hatred and look how far it took him, he is undead and wanted to bring the world into illuision. Sasuke is a different case though, is he going to follow the curse in a different way or truely break free of it?

 

So if we go by the editors note, it could be Madara due to ideology or it can also be Orochimaru, he may be an opportunist and pull something. All we know is Sakura is solemn and serious about what Sasuke's motives could be. What was happiness for a while is now back to tension. This past chapter proved an older one I said way back in 627, "We don't know Sasuke's full motives, he has only chosen to defend the village but we need more material before we can arrive at a conclusion."

 

So from Orochimaru, Jugo, and now Sai, this proved that Sasuke was fighting the Juubi for an enemy of my enemy type deal. He cannot commit his motives with the world gone now right? This is the same type of story situation like in a few marvel comics, one I have (i forget the universe its in) its Galatcus comes to eat the world (again) but he is much stronger and is being used by Thanos. In order to save the world (again) the avengers, x-men, spider-man, fantastic four, and a few others from shield team up but also enlist the help of some big time villains like doctor doom, red skull, and a few others. This is because Thanos had become so powerful, no one on their own could stand before him, they all had to team up for once to free Galactus and beat thanos. It was one of the best comics I read because all this heroes and villains had to work together to survive, motives and ideas for the world cannot survive without the world being present now can they?

 

So the same principal with Naruto right now, the juubi would end the world in its full form, now that its weakened and being burnt to a crisp for a while, there is a bit of time to talk and reveal stuff before the thing gets back up.

Edited by Inferno180, 17 June 2013 - 06:00 PM.