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[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree with everything, minus this bolded one i think she will not figure it by herself i think Naruto will make it because all the words of Chyio-baa, there was a lot of panels of her thinking about herself and it didnt even come in consideration.
And would not make much sense if she figure it for herself.
Because first she had no reason to become so down about herself, if NS werent to be canon at first place would be bad writing for Kishi because if pratically killed of Sakura and her heroine status because of this which envolves Naruto.
She want to help Naruto and do stuff but she thinks low about herself, i think Naruto will do something about it and she will be the heroine again.
If she figure out by herself she wont fall in love with Naruto in other words it will not have any romantic implications therefore would be bad she becoming heroine again by herself when we had almost like 350 chapters of her thinking she's useless for nothing.

Someome has to pull out the trigger and i think it will be Naruto.

@the part were she would figure out by herself should had happened on the confession arc and it didnt even happened just make her think down about herself again.

You know, you have a point. Actually, I forgot about something. If Yamato would have told her completely, well I think it would have start a new direction, whether she falls in love or not. That said I do think Naruto will be the one to wake her up. He already did it to Kakashi. That said I think if Naruto say something that inspire her, I think she will not only finally become strong, but she may start thinking that perhaps she's in love with him. The only question is when.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You know, you have a point. Actually, I forgot about something. If Yamato would have told her completely, well I think it would have start a new direction, whether she falls in love or not. That said I do think Naruto will be the one to wake her up. He already did it to Kakashi. That said I think if Naruto say something that inspire her, I think she will not only finally become strong, but she may start thinking that perhaps she's in love with him. The only question is when.

Yep, if would be yamato it would opened the path for her to fall in love with Naruto if would have Naruto she would fall in love with him.
the only thing that Naruto has from Sakura is her acknowledgment that he's a great person and this was enough for her to have feelings for Naruto.

RTN shows something similar to what we are discussing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 January 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[Slextrem]

For me, this arc went from an arc with soooo much potential and it just sort of flattened. I remember how extremely excited I was when I saw Sakura on the field with the combatants, and how I thought she'd play a significant role in a fight with Rock Lee, Kakashi, and Guy but he skips that battle completely and we see her in a tent... I was pretty upset with that bit because we didn't get to see her fight for one, and then she was basically pushed to do only medical nin. I wished she would of fought Chiyo or some other biggie. Would of been epic IMO.

Same here! I was so excited for her when this all started. She looked so cool on the cover wearing her Chuunin vest with all of the other rookies. I remember you and I discussing potential enemies that she might face at the beginning of the war. I would have loved to see her fight Chiyo-baa-san. That would have been a great opportunity to give Sakura some development...

At the time, I was even thinking that Chiyo could somehow teach her the Life Transfer technique and, should Naruto lose the Kyuubi, Sakura would be there to sacrifice herself for him. (Quite a stretch, I know, but I enjoy thinking up dramatic scenarios like this for our favorite heroine. ).

It made me so frustrated to see Kishimoto put her in the medical tent off panel. "Oops, did I put Sakura on a team that's actually going to fight enemies? Well, we can't have that! Let's just pretend she's been in the medical tent this whole time. No one will notice..."

It seems like every time Sakura is given an opportunity to develop in this series, someone always pulls the rug out from beneath her. I wonder if that's Kishimoto's doing or his editor... I feel like it must be his editor. I mean, why would Kishimoto set up these chances for her only to change his mind at the last minute?

One example I can think of is a volume cover that someone on this site had pointed out in another thread. It's from Part One and features Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Naruto has one of the frog summons on his head and the scroll that he carries during the Pein arc strapped on his back. Sasuke has his infamous katana and a snake summon coiled around him. Then there's Sakura. She has a giant axe sitting by her with a slug summon on her shoulder, (I believe there are multiple color spreads of Sakura with that axe in Part One). Here's the disappointing part: Both Naruto and Sasuke were given these upgrades in Shippuden, but Sakura was completely forgotten. She's also supposedly a genjutsu type. Kishimoto remembered to bring that up again at the beginning of Shippuden, but he never did anything with it.

So, what happened? I feel like Kishimoto started off with plans to develop Sakura into a more prominent character than she is, but for some reason, he ended up pushing her to the side so that he could focus on Naruto and Sasuke. As a fan of Sakura, that's really disappointing. I would have loved seeing her deal major damage with that axe. Could you imagine her swinging that thing around? Sasori would have been firewood by the end of their battle.

All we can do at this point is cross our fingers and hope that he doesn't lose sight of her. I don't think he has enough time left to give her the development that he had originally planned out for her, but I still hope that he lets her play a significant role in something before this series closes. Maybe as an epilogue, he'll do a time skip and show Sakura walking around with that axe, casting genjutsu on her enemies. However, I would be really disappointed to have not seen her completely developed while the series was ongoing.

EDIT: Enkai found the cover for me. This is it:

Edited by Slextrem, 05 January 2013 - 10:33 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Slextrem me too but i thought about this
http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=427612
Just to add based on this if he makes NH canon would be more than injustice with Sakura's character, and bad writing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 January 2013 - 09:40 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yep, if would be yamato it would opened the path for her to fall in love with Naruto if would have Naruto she would fall in love with him.
the only thing that Naruto has from Sakura is her acknowledgment that he's a great person and this was enough for her to have feelings for Naruto.

RTN shows something similar to what we are discussing.

Really, how so by the movie I mean. You know, for newcomers and everyone else. You are one of the few who saw the movie.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Really, how so by the movie I mean. You know, for newcomers and everyone else. You are one of the few who saw the movie.

She progresses in character when she starts learning the stuff that Naruto had, it's different than we actually are discussing but when she starts acknowledging that she's strong and how Naruto is strong for enduring all this, she start becoming strong(in character) and "showing more affection for Naruto".
At least it's how i interpretated.

[sushi.]

I just watched this video, feel like it fits the topic now. It's not much news, but I found out some details I didn't know before, so share your thoughts.

I also understand the One Piece part now, it's the top selling manga in Japan. And my favourite manga series, maybe because Oda gets to do whatever he likes.

[TouKen4Life3g]

She progresses in character when she starts learning the stuff that Naruto had, it's different than we actually are discussing but when she starts acknowledging that she's strong and how Naruto is strong for enduring all this, she start becoming strong(in character) and "showing more affection for Naruto".
At least it's how i interpretated.

Oh yeah, that's right. Funny enough, she received positive feedback for her character by fans. Even a neutral fan who is "meh" with her found it great. She even make a speech that from what I heard made Naruto realized that he's needed in the real world. That is true. Hm, I guess we are not out of place after all. It's beginning to make sense.

[Enkai]

Same here! I was so excited for her when this all started. She looked so cool on the cover wearing her Chuunin vest with all of the other rookies. I remember you and I discussing potential enemies that she might face at the beginning of the war. I would have loved to see her fight Chiyo-baa-san. That would have been a great opportunity to give Sakura some development...

At the time, I was even thinking that Chiyo could somehow teach her the Life Transfer technique and, should Naruto lose the Kyuubi, Sakura would be there to sacrifice herself for him. (Quite a stretch, I know, but I enjoy thinking up dramatic scenarios like this for our favorite heroine. ).

It made me so frustrated to see Kishimoto put her in the medical tent off panel. "Oops, did I put Sakura on a team that's actually going to fight enemies? Well, we can't have that! Let's just pretend she's been in the medical tent this whole time. No one will notice..."

It seems like every time Sakura is given an opportunity to develop in this series, someone always pulls the rug out from beneath her. I wonder if that's Kishimoto's doing or his editor... I feel like it must be his editor. I mean, why would Kishimoto set up these chances for her only to change his mind at the last minute?

One example I can think of is a volume cover that someone on this site had pointed out in another thread. It's from Part One and features Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Naruto has one of the frog summons on his head and the scroll that he carries during the Pein arc strapped on his back. Sasuke has his infamous katana and a snake summon coiled around him. Then there's Sakura. She has a giant axe sitting by her with a slug summon on her shoulder, (I believe there are multiple color spreads of Sakura with that axe in Part One). Here's the disappointing part: Both Naruto and Sasuke were given these upgrades in Shippuden, but Sakura was completely forgotten. She's also supposedly a genjutsu type. Kishimoto remembered to bring that up again at the beginning of Shippuden, but he never did anything with it.

So, what happened? I feel like Kishimoto started off with plans to develop Sakura into a more prominent character than she is, but for some reason, he ended up pushing her to the side so that he could focus on Naruto and Sasuke. As a fan of Sakura, that's really disappointing. I would have loved seeing her deal major damage with that axe. Could you imagine her swinging that thing around? Sasori would have been firewood by the end of their battle.

All we can do at this point is cross our fingers and hope that he doesn't lose sight of her. I don't think he has enough time left to give her the development that he had originally planned out for her, but I still hope that he lets her play a significant role in something before this series closes. Maybe as an epilogue, he'll do a time skip and show Sakura walking around with that axe, casting genjutsu on her enemies. However, I would be really disappointed to have not seen her completely developed while the series was ongoing.

Is this the manga cover you mentioned? http://8.p.s.mfcdn.n...d/162_02_03.jpg

[dragonflyx11]

Oh yeah, that's right. Funny enough, she received positive feedback for her character by fans. Even a neutral fan who is "meh" with her found it great. She even make a speech that from what I heard made Naruto realized that he's needed in the real world. That is true. Hm, I guess we are not out of place after all. It's beginning to make sense.

i truly feel sakura would be far more popular if she was more often showed in her best light. the people who dislike her far to often remember her part 1 early days. when shes at her best her popularity seems to grow (sasori fight,RTN movie) sakura is a character of so much potential, but kishimoto neglects that potential. the reason for hinatas popularity is obvious. she is the typical cute shy girl with an amazing bod, your typical male manga fan loves that lol. sakura does not have those physical advantages, but she does have the personality. kishi just needs to make use of it.

Edited by dragonflyx11, 05 January 2013 - 10:31 PM.

[Slextrem]

Is this the manga cover you mentioned? http://8.p.s.mfcdn.n...d/162_02_03.jpg

Yes, that's the one! Thank you for finding it!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just watched this video, feel like it fits the topic now. It's not much news, but I found out some details I didn't know before, so share your thoughts.

I also understand the One Piece part now, it's the top selling manga in Japan. And my favourite manga series, maybe because Oda gets to do whatever he likes.

Before I go home, I'll make it brief.

Hm, it's hard to say. Working on manga is pretty hard if there's anything I learned from Bakuman, while not the best source but it's the closest you can get without going there yourself. That said it's somewhat hard to say who's to blame because you'll never know until you are there yourself. Yes, editors do get the last call before going to the studio. Even so, it's hard because at times, it can be the mangaka's fault as well. For example, if the mangaka thinks to survive the rank or even save the manga from cancellation, he/she will do something out of ordinary and the result will vary. I always feel that Kishi always intended to forget K9 or rather, don't come across with them to the main plot. However, the editor can be fault in here to keep them around with new character's development. You could argue that it was editor to make 615 happen. Kishi probably didn't know how to create a development possible for Hinata, so yeah, enter depression.

The other problem with manga is your limitation. I don't know about them, but I'll have a hard time to fit all the materials I want to present in 17 pages, especially if one needs a cliffhanger. I can't say for Bleach since it's actually the opposite; use all the space with emptiness to say a job well done (no offense). If the story is true about Kishi firing editors left and right, well I guess he does have a passion for his creation, which is a good thing. That said its hard to determine whose fault is it. In the end, we most likely have to wait on Kishi revealing the truth. As long as they don't rewrite the main overall story that Kishi wants to recreate, then I'm ok. There are times when they get fired or leave (check Code Geass), the story changes and hurts the overall story a lot. I don't know if it happens to manga, but point is whoever is the founder and no longer in charge, we have a problem.

[Enkai]

@Slextrem

Your welcome Got curious when you mentioned an axe since I had never seen it. It would be great if kishi actually gave her an axe and developed her skills more. She could use a scroll which could have the axe sealed in it which would make it easy to carry, the only problem I see is that Sasuke summons hawks now so perhaps kishi changed his mind about the development.

[naruto-z]

Same here! I was so excited for her when this all started. She looked so cool on the cover wearing her Chuunin vest with all of the other rookies. I remember you and I discussing potential enemies that she might face at the beginning of the war. I would have loved to see her fight Chiyo-baa-san. That would have been a great opportunity to give Sakura some development...

At the time, I was even thinking that Chiyo could somehow teach her the Life Transfer technique and, should Naruto lose the Kyuubi, Sakura would be there to sacrifice herself for him. (Quite a stretch, I know, but I enjoy thinking up dramatic scenarios like this for our favorite heroine. ).

It made me so frustrated to see Kishimoto put her in the medical tent off panel. "Oops, did I put Sakura on a team that's actually going to fight enemies? Well, we can't have that! Let's just pretend she's been in the medical tent this whole time. No one will notice..."

It seems like every time Sakura is given an opportunity to develop in this series, someone always pulls the rug out from beneath her. I wonder if that's Kishimoto's doing or his editor... I feel like it must be his editor. I mean, why would Kishimoto set up these chances for her only to change his mind at the last minute?

One example I can think of is a volume cover that someone on this site had pointed out in another thread. It's from Part One and features Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Naruto has one of the frog summons on his head and the scroll that he carries during the Pein arc strapped on his back. Sasuke has his infamous katana and a snake summon coiled around him. Then there's Sakura. She has a giant axe sitting by her with a slug summon on her shoulder, (I believe there are multiple color spreads of Sakura with that axe in Part One). Here's the disappointing part: Both Naruto and Sasuke were given these upgrades in Shippuden, but Sakura was completely forgotten. She's also supposedly a genjutsu type. Kishimoto remembered to bring that up again at the beginning of Shippuden, but he never did anything with it.

So, what happened? I feel like Kishimoto started off with plans to develop Sakura into a more prominent character than she is, but for some reason, he ended up pushing her to the side so that he could focus on Naruto and Sasuke. As a fan of Sakura, that's really disappointing. I would have loved seeing her deal major damage with that axe. Could you imagine her swinging that thing around? Sasori would have been firewood by the end of their battle.

All we can do at this point is cross our fingers and hope that he doesn't lose sight of her. I don't think he has enough time left to give her the development that he had originally planned out for her, but I still hope that he lets her play a significant role in something before this series closes. Maybe as an epilogue, he'll do a time skip and show Sakura walking around with that axe, casting genjutsu on her enemies. However, I would be really disappointed to have not seen her completely developed while the series was ongoing.

EDIT: Enkai found the cover for me. This is it:

I honestly believe she will gain that development. As previously mentioned, Kishi is always getting ahead of himself on interviews but getting behind on the manga. He's underestimates the impact of his developments. And to readers, his developments feel like they take much longer than they actually do. Hinata's development has only been two chapters and people are freaking out. Sakura's development is going to come. Kishimoto has stated this and it's necessary to the storyline. Only difference is the fact that we have to wait for it. I have noticed the same hints from part one covers. I always thought they were clues. We'll just have to wait and see.

[六道仙人]

yeah, editors can have a huge influence on mangakas and their works history... For example, do you know that Kishimoto hadn't no intentions to showing some actions from Team Taka during the fight against the 8tails? Editor told him to do it. Even the character of Killer Bee himself.... Kishi forced by the editor to give him more background because he likes him (especially his rapping style and his wrestling moves).

[dragonflyx11]

yeah, editors can have a huge influence on mangakas and their works history... For example, do you know that Kishimoto hadn't no intentions to showing some actions from Team Taka during the fight against the 8tails? Editor told him to do it. Even the character of Killer Bee himself.... Kishi forced by the editor to give him more background because he likes him (especially his rapping style and his wrestling moves).

this can be seen as a blessing though to can it not? i thought it was his editor who does the side manga and that has its share of NS cuteness in it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

yeah, editors can have a huge influence on mangakas and their works history... For example, do you know that Kishimoto hadn't no intentions to showing some actions from Team Taka during the fight against the 8tails? Editor told him to do it. Even the character of Killer Bee himself.... Kishi forced by the editor to give him more background because he likes him (especially his rapping style and his wrestling moves).

I could have sworn it happened before that event. So I always assume it's about Kisame, which Kishi basically said screw that. If I can find the timing of that interview and chapter released, then I'll know.

[Chatte]

Is this the manga cover you mentioned? http://8.p.s.mfcdn.n...d/162_02_03.jpg

Also these ones:



Where is the Slug for Sakura?



Naruto's and Sasuke's clan symbols became proeminent, Sakua, nothing.



This one...

Foreshadowing the Mangekyo Sharingan on Naruto's scroll back there, also, the scrolls from Naruto are the scrolls from the frogs.

Sasuke has that gourd which you can find on Susano'o, as well the flute can fairly inspire his prowess with genjutsu, like that lady from the sound 4 did it, only that he has the sharingan.

However, Sakura, once again, nothing...

Though that knife in her mouth looks pretty similar to this:





Here Sakura having that big sword, once again, nothing.

Sasuke has those giant Shurikens and I fairly believe that the brush can be connected with Jiraiya's writing the tales of naruto Uzmaki.

But anyway, Sakura, once again, nothing.

[dragonflyx11]

like i have said sakura is a character of so much potential, but kishi frustratingly never makes use of it.

[Slextrem]

But anyway, Sakura, once again, nothing.

It's really disappointing, nee? There is so much potential for her. I hope he doesn't waste all of it.