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#26461 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 07:30 PM

To be honest here:

 

Masashi shouldn't let Sakura "married" Sasuke after all of this BS. She would had been this:

 

Single, adopted mother of Sarada, knowing that the Uchiha are now frowned upon in the ninja world and took her in since Sasuke's avoiding responsibility or SK happened but something happened whether its drama/tragedy. Kept her surname, Haruno, while Sarada kept the Uchiha name since Sasuke is her father after all. My head canon is basically Sakura was on a secret mission assigned by Kakashi, before he turned the Hokage position to Naruto, to check on Sasuke and his team. Because of certain "circumstances" that I cannot think of at the moment, when Sarada's born, she felt obligated to raise her as her own. Naruto doesn't know the full truth as Sakura keeps it real hidden and use the excuse that she was "pregnant" with Sasuke's kid when in actually, it's Karin. (This goes directly into Gaiden to fill certain holes).

 

I still don't understand why Karin is still around when she still possibly have feelings for Sasuke (and are Team Taka even appeared in the trashy spin-off? They kept ignoring them and Killer Bee). If Taka wasn't around anymore, this idea would've save Sakura in the public's eyes.

 

But no, everything has to be for Hinata's sake! Like she's THAT important. :roll:

 

NH supporter: But, but Hinata-hime loved Nardo first! She was kind to him! She deserves him!

But seriously, Derock, it's because of the asinine attitude and inability of the NH fans to see what Naruto really was about, and who he was developed to initially be with before they shouted loud, barked out what they wanted, and had help with many of Shueisha's editors and Studio Pierrot to give us the stupidity we have now, which just basically spits in the face of the story Naruto was, and how their selfishness ruined an ENTIRE series!

 

I've never seen any other series out there be destroyed for the sake of one set of fans over everyone else in general, though some things have come close to it, I'll tell ya that much!



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Posted 27 July 2018 - 08:26 PM

 

NH supporter: But, but Hinata-hime loved Nardo first! She was kind to him! She deserves him!

But seriously, Derock, it's because of the asinine attitude and inability of the NH fans to see what Naruto really was about, and who he was developed to initially be with before they shouted loud, barked out what they wanted, and had help with many of Shueisha's editors and Studio Pierrot to give us the stupidity we have now, which just basically spits in the face of the story Naruto was, and how their selfishness ruined an ENTIRE series!

 

I've never seen any other series out there be destroyed for the sake of one set of fans over everyone else in general, though some things have come close to it, I'll tell ya that much!

 

Its not even just the selfishness. Its the damn insanity too. When mentioning who has control, it was supposed to be Masashi as he's the author. He has the right to say what's there and what's not because he's the one telling the story by writing AND drawing at the same time. Everyone else SHOULD HAD STAYED in their own roles/jobs, not adding in their own 2 cents! The anime team (I'm willing to bet since the video tother provided, the men are writers) should had put their personal and favortism bias aside and work together with Masashi and the manga to finish the series properly from Masashi's eyes, even if he was experienced at the time, a tragic event of his father's passing.

 

But I said before, everyone's at fault here. Masashi should had a backbone to stop this mess. The series was already at a "strong" point in terms of profit, so if the manga series would had done with a better and proper ending (NaruSaku was supposed to be the icing of the cake, the cake was Naruto achieved his dream as Hokage and a strong ninja at the point), money was still flowing in. The whole freaking pairing war and NH whining should had STOPPED a long time ago. And since Yahagi left when going around different editors during the Fourth Ninja War Arc, he should had noticed something was off and said something about it. I would also included Yahagi is at fault as well because Sasuke was dominated most of the arcs when it would had been better to separate Naruto and Sasuke's stories, one the main and the latter as a spin-off, as a sale pitch to Shueisha for even more money and profits (but that will require a different manga team).

 

Pierrot... we saw the whole shebang when working on the original anime and Shippuden. I cannot expressed how irate about this part of the franchise because they added their 2 cents AND got what they wanted like it was their own product they created. Even worse when they created a movie right at the end of the series thinking that its the grand design! Lo and behold, that failed with the leaks and spoilers! Everyone fell for it: those who were working "properly" aka those who knew what the series should had be, Masashi, his manga team, the VAs and the executives at Shueisha! All because of their personal bias and favoritism for one female character. And now, the aftermath: both sides ain't doing well and Masashi doesn't even care about his main character and franchise anymore as he's focusing on his family (which he was supposed to do while working on his series).

 

EDIT: 7/8 I had more to say yesterday while typing out at work but we had to leave so I didn't finish it..

 

Now the other thing that kept bother me to this day. Remember back in the day that Masashi didn't buy a computer when working on the franchise. In this day of age, he should had already bought one. With social media the norm now at days, he could had have create something to keep in touch with his fans. Look at Kohei Horikoshi, creator of My Hero Academia. He has a Twitter account and every chance he got, regardless of recent  released chapters, anime episodes, holidays, etc, he does sketches and post them to communicate with his fans. Wished Masashi did something like that, if he wasn't that "old-school".


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:44 PM

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 04:30 AM

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 08:25 AM

page there is something wrong with you links you've been trying to do link things in this topic for a few days now, and I haven't been able to see it. Not sure if its you or me but best ask one of the mods or something. 



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 05:50 PM

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:34 PM

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Orochimaru is nothing. He's too above the concept of kitten identity politics. 



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:49 PM

This is one of those people trying to find "diversity" in manga/anime. There are people trying to praise some Jo Jo villain because they think he is gay. It is pretty much the same thing that's happening in all media now a days.



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 07:38 PM

This is one of those people trying to find "diversity" in manga/anime. There are people trying to praise some Jo Jo villain because they think he is gay. It is pretty much the same thing that's happening in all media now a days.

Or how some (mainly a small vocal minority) were mad that Ken wasn't gay when he consummated his relationship with Toka in Tokyo Ghoul. Even though it was pretty obvious from the start that she would be his love interest.

It's a shallow push for "diversity" because of the need to look "progressive" above all else (And no offense to true progressives). Even if that means destroying the integrity of a story. Well I for one find it insulting when they push a character trait such as race/gender/sexuality because usually that that makes the character devolve into being about that 1 trait.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 08:22 PM

Or how some (mainly a small vocal minority) were mad that Ken wasn't gay when he consummated his relationship with Toka in Tokyo Ghoul. Even though it was pretty obvious from the start that she would be his love interest.

It's a shallow push for "diversity" because of the need to look "progressive" above all else (And no offense to true progressives). Even if that means destroying the integrity of a story. Well I for one find it insulting when they push a character trait such as race/gender/sexuality because usually that that makes the character devolve into being about that 1 trait.

and imagine if there was a push to make everything have a conservative message. can you imagine all the media suddenly talking about guns and how it supports the life of a child and it doesn't support abortion? of course that might exist in a minority but i can't take it if all the media suddenly has these kinds of discussions and values I don't care what politics a movie has I'm not watching for that



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 09:27 PM

Or how some (mainly a small vocal minority) were mad that Ken wasn't gay when he consummated his relationship with Toka in Tokyo Ghoul. Even though it was pretty obvious from the start that she would be his love interest.

It's a shallow push for "diversity" because of the need to look "progressive" above all else (And no offense to true progressives). Even if that means destroying the integrity of a story. Well I for one find it insulting when they push a character trait such as race/gender/sexuality because usually that that makes the character devolve into being about that 1 trait.

Pretty much.

 

and imagine if there was a push to make everything have a conservative message. can you imagine all the media suddenly talking about guns and how it supports the life of a child and it doesn't support abortion? of course that might exist in a minority but i can't take it if all the media suddenly has these kinds of discussions and values I don't care what politics a movie has I'm not watching for that

There was before a lot of us can remember or even been born called the "Religious Right." Ask some of the youtuber in their 35-40's about it, and have them screech in you ear about how they the worst thing to ever existed. Apparently they are a major reason why American nerd culture considers itself liberal. From what I understand they were groups that existed between 1950-2000 concerned about new media, and the possibility of children seeing inappropriate content: such as drug, sex, or worshiping Satan. Every media needed to prove that they were not doing that, and then create some sort of age rating system so parent knew what was safe for their kids to watch. Eventually these groups fell out of practice for one reason or another.

 

A lot of the older nerds have convince themselves that the Religious Right were going to destroy all forms of entertainment that they completely oppose any right leaning idea, and support any left leaning idea. Of course this makes them reluctant to admit or outright deny that the new censorship group has formed on the left; SJW.


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:36 PM

Well, shinobi strikers must be coming out soon (...next Thursday) I keep getting adds for it.

 

Here is a combat trailer:

 

Also as a side note: Here is what cruchyroll has been spending their money making:

 

 

Some seven universe with magic girls shlock. 


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 August 2018 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:57 PM

Well, shinobi strikers must be coming out soon (...next Thursday) I keep getting adds for it.

 

Here is a combat trailer:

 

Also as a side note: Here is what cruchyroll has been spending their money making:

 

 

Some seven universe with magic girls shlock. 

The level design and gameplay of Shinobi Strikers looks about as hum-drum and boring as its predecessor, Naruto Dragon Blade Chronicles. Just watching the video almost puts me to sleep.   High Guardian Spice, however, may be worth viewing. I'll at least watch a couple of episodes when it releases to see if it resonates with me.


Edited by Kagomaru, 22 August 2018 - 10:58 PM.

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 11:19 PM

Well, shinobi strikers must be coming out soon (...next Thursday) I keep getting adds for it.

 

Here is a combat trailer:

 

Also as a side note: Here is what cruchyroll has been spending their money making:

 

 

Some seven universe with magic girls shlock. 

That High Guardian Spice looks terrible. The announcement spent more time virtue signaling than actually talking about the show. Also, I'm sorry, but 100% female writers doesn't equal diversity.


Edited by jak123, 23 August 2018 - 12:39 AM.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 12:21 AM

That High Guardian Spice looks terrible. The announcement spent more time virtue signaling than actually talking about the show. Also, I'm sorry, but 100% female writers doesn't equal diversity.

Yeah, that's normally a warning sign to me that a show will probably be awful. If the people in the promotion spend more time trying to show how virtuous they are instead of talking about the show other then in very vague terms.

 

Diversity is a word used by some groups that really just means; "no white males."

 

The level design and gameplay of Shinobi Strikers looks about as hum-drum and boring as its predecessor, Naruto Dragon Blade Chronicles. Just watching the video almost puts me to sleep.   High Guardian Spice, however, may be worth viewing. I'll at least watch a couple of episodes when it releases to see if it resonates with me.

I thought this was going to be Naruto: Xenoverse...I think that would have been better. This looks like all the other Naruto games in terms of look, it tries to behave like those ninja storm games, but I don't think they pulled it off.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 August 2018 - 12:55 AM.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 12:39 AM

Yeah that's normally a warning sign to me that a show will probably be awful. If the people in the promotion spend more time trying to show how virtuous they are instead of talking about the show other then in very vague terms.

 

Diversity is a word used by some groups that really just means; "no white males."

 

i thought this was going to be Naruto: Xenoverse...I think that would have been better. This looks like all the other Naruto games in terms of look, it tries to behave like those ninja storm games, but I don't think they pulled it off.

Glad you understood what I said because I put "does" instead of "doesn't". XD



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Posted 25 August 2018 - 09:58 AM

Or how some (mainly a small vocal minority) were mad that Ken wasn't gay when he consummated his relationship with Toka in Tokyo Ghoul. Even though it was pretty obvious from the start that she would be his love interest.

It's a shallow push for "diversity" because of the need to look "progressive" above all else (And no offense to true progressives). Even if that means destroying the integrity of a story. Well I for one find it insulting when they push a character trait such as race/gender/sexuality because usually that that makes the character devolve into being about that 1 trait.

It's probably more Yaoi shippers who just like to see guys do it than some political agenda.

 

And while I agree making a character is more important than pushing for a specific type of person, I've seen people overreact just BECAUSE a character is of a certain type. After the fall out with Ghostbusters 2016, I've seen comments of people decrying Wonder Woman as SJW propaganda before it came out (even going so far as to say giving women the right to vote was a mistake), and so far it's the best received DCEU movie. Likewise, people complained that the DCEU's Aquaman is not some blond Anglo-Saxxon guy but a Polynesian (a very BADASS polynesian), again making claims about a progressive agenda. But trust me, Jason Mamoa was one of the better choices they could have gone with. I mean, if they made Aquaman look anything like his SuperFriends incarnation....would you watch it?

 

And now people are thinking Captain Marvel is going to suck because it stars a woman and is co-directed by a woman, despite the fact we don't even have a teaser as of yet. Completely forgetting that a man is also directing it, and given Marvel Studios track record thus far, it feels they're panicking over nothing. Heck, when Black Panther came out, people screamed it was anti-white (despite it having little to do with white people and having the main antagonist being another black dude) and even posted photos claiming they were beaten up by blacks for seeing the movie (the photos turned out to be police photos from various assaults years before).

 

It's happening again with people complaining over She-Ra, thinking she looks like a man, specifically highlighting her arms (if you think those are manly arms, you seriously need to do pull-ups) and think just because the show-runner is a lesbian (I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what is being claimed) it automatically disqualifies her to write a straight female. Again, when we don't even have a trailer or any idea what the story's going to be like.

 

This is not to say you can't dislike any of these; there probably will be reasons for you to dislike any of those things I mentioned, and that's fine. Maybe Captain Marvel and She-Ra will suck, and we should say so, just not because of some perceived socio-political agenda we think is being pushed on us.

 

Pretty much.

 

There was before a lot of us can remember or even been born called the "Religious Right." Ask some of the youtuber in their 35-40's about it, and have them screech in you ear about how they the worst thing to ever existed. Apparently they are a major reason why American nerd culture considers itself liberal. From what I understand they were groups that existed between 1950-2000 concerned about new media, and the possibility of children seeing inappropriate content: such as drug, sex, or worshiping Satan. Every media needed to prove that they were not doing that, and then create some sort of age rating system so parent knew what was safe for their kids to watch. Eventually these groups fell out of practice for one reason or another.

 

A lot of the older nerds have convince themselves that the Religious Right were going to destroy all forms of entertainment that they completely oppose any right leaning idea, and support any left leaning idea. Of course this makes them reluctant to admit or outright deny that the new censorship group has formed on the left; SJW.

The Religious Right was a real thing. To be fair, there were many groups pushing for what could be shown or written, but the RR had genuine power in politics. What Batman was doing or what anime we were watching was probably not high on their list, but it was occasionally brought up. We still have politicians blaming mass shootings on violent video games rather than actual problems today.

 

And the whole "threat" of SJWs is WAY overblown. If you go on Youtube, you will see hundreds of videos of various nerds complaining about SJWS, but almost nothing directly FROM SJWs. It feels like maybe 1 or 2 people say these really liberal things that are too much even for me, but it seems I have to hear from secondary sources about their ridiculous claims. As far as I can tell, these SJWs haven't changed kitten. We're still getting video games with sex and violence, we're still getting cool movies, etc. I'm not saying it can't be a problem, but as far as censorship goes they have failed miserably. If anything the alt-right still seems like the bigger threat, as they harass actors who are part of a project they don't like and got James Gunn fired over bad jokes he made years ago that aren't a reflection of his true character just because of him stating his own opinions on things.

 

I probably shouldn't have gotten all political here, and I apologize for that, but I haven't heard of any form of entertainment being taken down because of either side of the political spectrum (at least not in America).



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Posted 25 August 2018 - 12:56 PM

The problem isn't that they are of the left or the right. The problems are they're the current censorship group, they are very annoying, and the products/entertainment made because of their actions are generally crap.



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Posted 25 August 2018 - 01:35 PM

It's probably more Yaoi shippers who just like to see guys do it than some political agenda.

 

And while I agree making a character is more important than pushing for a specific type of person, I've seen people overreact just BECAUSE a character is of a certain type. After the fall out with Ghostbusters 2016, I've seen comments of people decrying Wonder Woman as SJW propaganda before it came out (even going so far as to say giving women the right to vote was a mistake), and so far it's the best received DCEU movie. Likewise, people complained that the DCEU's Aquaman is not some blond Anglo-Saxxon guy but a Polynesian (a very BADASS polynesian), again making claims about a progressive agenda. But trust me, Jason Mamoa was one of the better choices they could have gone with. I mean, if they made Aquaman look anything like his SuperFriends incarnation....would you watch it?

 

And now people are thinking Captain Marvel is going to suck because it stars a woman and is co-directed by a woman, despite the fact we don't even have a teaser as of yet. Completely forgetting that a man is also directing it, and given Marvel Studios track record thus far, it feels they're panicking over nothing. Heck, when Black Panther came out, people screamed it was anti-white (despite it having little to do with white people and having the main antagonist being another black dude) and even posted photos claiming they were beaten up by blacks for seeing the movie (the photos turned out to be police photos from various assaults years before).

 

It's happening again with people complaining over She-Ra, thinking she looks like a man, specifically highlighting her arms (if you think those are manly arms, you seriously need to do pull-ups) and think just because the show-runner is a lesbian (I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what is being claimed) it automatically disqualifies her to write a straight female. Again, when we don't even have a trailer or any idea what the story's going to be like.

 

This is not to say you can't dislike any of these; there probably will be reasons for you to dislike any of those things I mentioned, and that's fine. Maybe Captain Marvel and She-Ra will suck, and we should say so, just not because of some perceived socio-political agenda we think is being pushed on us.

 

The Religious Right was a real thing. To be fair, there were many groups pushing for what could be shown or written, but the RR had genuine power in politics. What Batman was doing or what anime we were watching was probably not high on their list, but it was occasionally brought up. We still have politicians blaming mass shootings on violent video games rather than actual problems today.

 

And the whole "threat" of SJWs is WAY overblown. If you go on Youtube, you will see hundreds of videos of various nerds complaining about SJWS, but almost nothing directly FROM SJWs. It feels like maybe 1 or 2 people say these really liberal things that are too much even for me, but it seems I have to hear from secondary sources about their ridiculous claims. As far as I can tell, these SJWs haven't changed kitten. We're still getting video games with sex and violence, we're still getting cool movies, etc. I'm not saying it can't be a problem, but as far as censorship goes they have failed miserably. If anything the alt-right still seems like the bigger threat, as they harass actors who are part of a project they don't like and got James Gunn fired over bad jokes he made years ago that aren't a reflection of his true character just because of him stating his own opinions on things.

 

I probably shouldn't have gotten all political here, and I apologize for that, but I haven't heard of any form of entertainment being taken down because of either side of the political spectrum (at least not in America).

Only reason I said it like that was because rhetoric I saw. It wasn't coming from fujoshis pissed their ship didn't work out.

 

You must have gotten lucky because I didn't really see any thing that denounced WonderWoman. I did see alot of hate for GB though. 

 

I've seen alot of hate for the DC Universe movies, but not because of something like that.

 

Well the only reason people think that is because the director has already said in interviews, they are focusing on giving it a feminist angle. People don't like it when politics are shoved into their entertainment. They will most likely use the current version of Captain Marvel who is pretty terrible.

 

Well, it's mainly the fact that people think she's butchering the character. Also SJWs complain all the time about straight people writing or playing gay character, so it's both sides. Like recently they attacked Ruby Rose for playing Batwoman in a new show. Also, don't forget that the SJW fandom of Steven Universe drove a girl to try and commit suicide because they attacked her for drawing Amethyst skinnier. That's alot different than what I'm hearing from people who don't like the She-Ra stuff. 

 

Very much so. And the Social Justice Warrior is basically the religious right under the left. Fighting for the same things under different reasons.

 

I completely disagree. The reason why you have so many more anti-SJW sentiment on Youtube is because they are the ones majorly causing the problems right now. The ones who are the media and other places. Don't get me wrong though, the alt-right sucks too. The problem is that SJW types use that term alt-right to broadstroke anyone who isn't an SJW. When most of the prominent people who have Anti-SJW sentiment don't like the alt-right either. Being Anti-SJW =/= Being alt-right. There are alt-right people who proudly wave the flag, but many labeled as such aren't really alt-right. It's just a boogeyman used by SJWs. 

 

You point out James Gunn, which I personally think he shouldn't have been fired either for his jokes, but he was going to pedophile themed parties as well. Not surprising people were suspicious of him. Still don't think he should have been fired, but if you are going to point out his incident when he was targeted by the alt-right, you need to point out the myriad of times where SJW types tried to get people fired and sometimes succeeded as well. I hear demands of firing for stupid kitten come from the left WAY MORE than I do the right. Now it's not to say that I don't hear from the right. 

 

Just as we are clear, I'm center-left. I see what the far left is doing and its despicable. I see both sides fight against SJWs and if something like that can see 2 sides that are fundamentally different come together against a common enemy, there might be some prominence to it imo. Also, if the right was as bad as the left was right now, I'd still be fighting the same way. There are terrible people on both sides, the ones on the left just happen to be louder right now.

But yeah, I don't want to get into a big argument about this. You stated your side and I stated mine. 


Edited by jak123, 25 August 2018 - 01:45 PM.


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all I have to say about that boruto game is screw that game and even remotely supporting boruto, I'd rather play the dragon ball xenoverse 2 dlc coming out tomorrow, and then play the game with mods on pc. xenoverse 2 on pc is so much fun offline with mods.


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