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[Mistraal]

That's the problem though. What and who is exactly to blame?

You could blame Kishimoto who allowed this and has been bullsh***ing in interviews
You could blame the Assistant who could have pushed Kishi to do NH as well as pushing for several other horrible possible story elements.
You could blame SP for making NH canon in the movie, forcing their views, and thus forcing Kishimoto's hand
You could even blame the fandoms because the the western fandom kept pushing for NH all the kittening time to the point of death threats.

It could be a combo of all of them.

There is a certain amount of professionalism I have come to expect from people in high profile positions. I'm sorry, but if teenagers like Justin Bieber and One Direction can manage this then I see no reason why a grown man raised in a society based on being polite can't.

Death threats ain't kitten. -I- have gotten death threats. People like to talk a lot but in the end no one will put up. Unless you are getting followed home or swatted or something really stupid like that then you have no cause for alarm. I sincerely doubt this had any role in Kishimoto's decision. If it had, he would have revealed his pairing decision earlier to appease the the death-threatening masses.

This "Assistant" sounds hypothetical and we really have no proof that SP "forced" Kishimoto to do anything. The only way to REALLY figure that out is to find out who has the rights to the intellectual property of Naruto.

If Kishimoto still owns those rights then SP didn't force him to do kitten because they legally can't. However, a lot of publishers will make you sign over these rights when you begin doing business with them and they publish your work. Unless we can prove SP owns the IP then we can't really say they forced his hand.

Since I still see Kishimoto's name on the copyright label I'm willing to bet he still owns it but I wasn't able to really confirm it. So, ultimately, if you want someone to blame it's squarely and solely on his shoulders, not to mention his comments fanning the flames under an already hateful and toxic community. I cannot fathom why anyone would think it would be a positive move to deceive your fans like that.

In conclusion, the author is a 100% scumbag. There is no one else to blame. He deliberately yanked chains and spat on people around the world who supported him. He supports and feeds the toxicity in the fandom and the Naruto community intentionally and I think he enjoys it. He's an awful man and you should not support him in any way.

..../rant

Edited by Mistraal, 10 December 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[六道仙人]

at the end, Did Hanabi get back her eyes? Tell me yes LOL

[ns.Believe.It]

When I think about it, Naruto's new haircut really proved to be symbolic. 

 

Everyone believed Naruto would become like Minato-- a selfless, kind-hearted leader and a loving father who would sacrifice his life for the well-being of his children.

 

But the short hair shows the deviation from his father's foot-steps Naruto takes to become more like Obito-- a selfish, cold-hearted man who forgets everything he stood for as a child and who cannot even sacrifice time for his children. 

[Khaleesi]

at the end, Did Hanabi get back her eyes? Tell me yes LOL

yes

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
theunburnt got famous, I'm so proud of her

Me too...Wait...that person is a she?

to point of fans rendering the anime non-canon, which would be bad for the studio.

Wow...So I don't even know anymore. I feel like I should give up anime.

[Mistraal]

When I think about it, Naruto's new haircut really proved to be symbolic. 

 

Everyone believed Naruto would become like Minato-- a selfless, kind-hearted leader and a loving father who would sacrifice his life for the well-being of his children.

 

But the short hair shows the deviation from his father's foot-steps Naruto takes to become more like Obito-- a selfish, cold-hearted man who forgets everything he stood for as a child and who cannot even sacrifice time for his children. 

Yet even Obito stayed loyal to Rin.

[Swagkura]

Glad that rumor about Konohamaru and Hanabi getting together was fake. I felt the urge to flip a table when I heard that one

[Nar123]

Yet even Obito stayed loyal to Rin.

And he is the coolest guy
different from his cosplayer, nardo

[Naruko]

When I think about it, Naruto's new haircut really proved to be symbolic. 

 

Everyone believed Naruto would become like Minato-- a selfless, kind-hearted leader and a loving father who would sacrifice his life for the well-being of his children.

 

But the short hair shows the deviation from his father's foot-steps Naruto takes to become more like Obito-- a selfish, cold-hearted man who forgets everything he stood for as a child and who cannot even sacrifice time for his children. 

 

Also, it usually apllies for girls, but in Japan, when they break up with someone or give up on one's love, they cut their hairs short to show it, don't they?

[James S Cassidy]

This "Assistant" sounds hypothetical and we really have no proof that SP "forced" Kishimoto to do anything. The only way to REALLY figure that out is to find out who has the rights to the intellectual property of Naruto.
 

Actually we do have proof of this one where the assisstants/editors have alot more power to change the story. Remember even Kishimoto said that there were a couple times he got into debates over things with his assistanta and editors and they persuaded him to do certain things.

So don't count this one off so easily. Remember it was the editors that added such things in such as Sasuke creation, a couple of characters living and dying, and a few other things.
 

If Kishimoto still owns those rights then SP didn't force him to do kitten because they legally can't. However, a lot of publishers will make you sign over these rights when you begin doing business with them and they publish your work. Unless we can prove SP owns the IP then we can't really say they forced his hand.

Since I still see Kishimoto's name on the copyright label I'm willing to bet he still owns it but I wasn't able to really confirm it. So, ultimately, if you want someone to blame it's squarely and solely on his shoulders, not to mention his comments fanning the flames under an already hateful and toxic community. I cannot fathom why anyone would think it would be a positive move to deceive your fans like that.

 

Contracts can be very tricky. You don't think it could give them power, but it has been shown that IPs and rights can be taken away from a creator if need be. Look at Hideo Kojima and Metal Gear Solid series. They were going to make another game with or without him. Bungie created Halo, but they don't own it anymore and they are not allowed to create anymore Halo games. It is owned by Microsoft which is why 343 Industries took over.

There are many many examples where the creators can lose control of their creations.

One thing that is bothering me and why in every interview with Kishimoto does the story of Naruto keep changing. One minute he says NH was planned from the beginning and the next he says he was in long debate over it. Next interview he says Sakura never loved Naruto and then a third he says she did, but now she didn't want to steal him away from Hinata. So what is it? Nothing makes sense and everytime he opens his mouth, the details change.

What is the truth? Why is he lying to us?

That's what is concerning me the most. if I could have the real answer on why everything is so inconsistent, then I know where the blame is to be pointed.

[RedFaction]

When I think about it, Naruto's new haircut really proved to be symbolic. 

 

Everyone believed Naruto would become like Minato-- a selfless, kind-hearted leader and a loving father who would sacrifice his life for the well-being of his children.

 

But the short hair shows the deviation from his father's foot-steps Naruto takes to become more like Obito-- a selfish, cold-hearted man who forgets everything he stood for as a child and who cannot even sacrifice time for his children. 

And now we know why Naruto thinks he was the coolest guy. He wanted to be just like him when he grew up.

Edited by RedFaction, 10 December 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[Michi]

The thing is that kishi... is a kittening idiot.

[Swagkura]

The coolest guy got the girl. Naruto had to settle for the silver medal -_-

[RedFaction]

The coolest guy got the girl. Naruto had to settle for the silver medal

She isn't a silver medal, at least to me. There are plenty of other girls that Naruto could have gotten with that were better 2nd picks.

[Swagkura]

She isn't a silver medal, at least to me. There are plenty of other girls that Naruto could have gotten with that were better 2nd picks.

He could've just got with a fangirl, but Hinata was his first and the ultimate fangirl so...

[六道仙人]

you know that the "Obito was the coolest guy" was just a big minstralation?

[Michi]

She isn't a silver medal, at least to me. There are plenty of other girls that Naruto could have gotten with that were better 2nd picks.

At this point, I'm starting to love naruino after the kitten ending & movie we got....even naruten

[Jio Freed]

 

at the end, Did Hanabi get back her eyes? Tell me yes LOL

 

Doesn't matter, has nothing to do with Naruto-kun

[milan kyuubi]

She isn't a silver medal, at least to me. There are plenty of other girls that Naruto could have gotten with that were better 2nd picks.

 

NaruIno was always my favorite crack ship! At least Ino got some personality! xd

[RedFaction]

you know that the "Obito was the coolest guy" was just a big minstralation?

Yes, but it's fun to make fun of that mistranslation.

Edited by RedFaction, 10 December 2014 - 07:09 PM.