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[Khaleesi]

Loving two people at the same time? What does it make Sakura? Her character is already in ruins and this.....is really not acceptable if Kishi is gonna show this....

What do you mean? Loving 2 persons at the same makes her a terrible person? This is different of just cheating on someone. 

LOVING two persons at the same time for real is hard as kitten.

[narusaku256]

you don't think I know that? I'm hardly on this site alot too because of things going on too, its just usually in the past the mods would say something about rude comments like that, I haven't seen them do it on any of the threads since the chapter, are they negative about the chapter too? 0.0 just those comments kinda hurt my feelings, I have feelings too.....

I understand dude. Some were harsh as hell and some almost crucified Sakura. Its still hot in here and its still not the right time to say something positive except for some prompts when things are about to go outta hand. So its best we ignore those comments for the time being and let people take their time. If you play your cards right now, what happened to you, is gonna happen again. Let everyone of them calm down first, make things clear for themselves and then we'll play our cards. It will be easier to win then. I request you to be patient for some time...

Edited by narusaku256, 28 September 2014 - 04:57 PM.

[luffyq1]

I'm sick of this, I think i'll just delete my account and stay off the internet permanently, seriously this happens every time, try to defend people being forced to like the sonic boom game when its just a spinoff series? nope I'm a jerk. try to defend naruto, sakura, or even kishimoto? made to be a stuck up jerk or troll. try to defend nice people like fancynancypigs(keikoxyusuke on here, I know her from youtube)? I'm a troll. dislike how out of character these fictional characters are in something like death battle? people constantly harrass me with hate comments. every time, EVERY FREAKING TIME  I try to be nice or try to defend someone or something, its always me everyone acts like is the jerk. heck I even come on here still optimistic and trying to cheer someone up and a joke that wasn't even serious, like all the other unserious comments on here at times that aren't thought wrongly of, and you guys start bashing at me. heck the only reason I joined was because fancynancy invited me and I thought you guys were different, that you wouldn't act like all the other fandoms other a single chapter or be so negative, I loved the cheerfulness and levelheadedness of everyone, and then this crap happens.....

Calm down brother. Just take a break from all of this and come back later :)

[narusaku256]

What do you mean? Loving 2 persons at the same makes her a terrible person? This is different of just cheating on someone. 
LOVING two persons at the same time for real is hard as kitten.

Maybe I have yet to learn certain things or maybe my philosophy is just different than yours. To each their own I guess...My apologies incase I did offend your take on certain things....

[ultranx]

I understand dude. Some where harsh as hell and some almost crucified Sakura. Its still hot in here and its still not the right time to say something positive except for some prompts when things are about to go outta hand. So its best we ignore those comments for the time being and let people take their time. If you play your cards right now, what happened to you, is gonna happen again. Let everyone of them calm down first, make things clear for themselves and then we'll play our cards. It will be easier to win then. I request you to be patient for some time...

 

Calm down brother. Just take a break from all of this and come back later :)

thanks guys. I feel a little better now. yeah we all probably need some kinda break from this, its why I want it to hurry up and be thursday and hopefully people will be cheered up, its way too negative right now, this is worse than 615 and any other time I've been here 0.0 and I come every week and check out comments for each chapter, even if I don't say anything, half the time I don't know what to say, never have been good with words

Edited by ultranx, 28 September 2014 - 04:59 PM.

[FireFox]

This is it.

Sorry if my post hit you but its just how I feel right now bc I ship NS for the development and the beauty of it  what it represented  not just for the sake of being canon  and whether we like it or not Kishimoto just kittented on it for the sake of stabbing SS again  and that is disgusting .

 

No, no, no. Calm down  *slaps your face with a white glove*

Yeah, Kishi is portraying her "love" as something "divine", that's the worst thing of this scene and no matter what he do, even if he fix all the other inconvenences, this will remain.

True. I believe now there are more chances of an open-ending, but it CAN be redeemed. A lot of possible scenaries if you ask.You can actually love two persons at the same time. It's not impossible. Her "confession" is not about she still prefers Sasuke. She's trying to save him, and once again she's not the one who can do it. 

Now, EVEN if Sasuke magically reveals he liked her/loved her or "still does", Kishi has killed the "possibilities" of this becoming canon. Kishi has portrayed her as the one who doesn't understand him, the one who can't save him with her love. Kishi has portrayed him as the one who makes her suffer, the one who doesn't return/don't want to return/won't return her feelings. SS has nothing more than negativity and that's why SS has been destroyed.

No, that's not what i'm saying. That's why SS has all this negativity in the story. When he becomes "good" nothing will happen between them. And it's on DB 1 if i remember well.

 

It seems like the pairings will be solved on the movie. How many? 3, 4 years later? 

(Sorry if i don't reply quickly, my internet is kitten)

You see visually  it won't  bc until now we could have at least  doubt the nature of Sakura's feelings and say that she feels more for Naruto then she ever was for Sasuke  but this crap ruined it completely . The problem is Sakura loves Sasuke trough the entire manga 700 chaps almost and it given more focus  like that is what defines her  which is something you just don't do if NS is your main paring otherwise your main paring is looking like a joke and forced  and this is a kitten writing .

 

Her confession if you ask me is exactly that after everything she still prefers Sasuke and doesn't even consider Naruto who was right there not to mention that her love is the one of true love bc she wants to save him credits by kittening Kakashi yuck! . What about Naruto's love or her love for him why is this not touched upon often ? See the problem ?  This why NS comes as forced right now and its image destroyed . Also I don't believe in loving two people in the same time  not in this case  if NS is to be convincing then Sakura has to have no romantic feelings of love for Sasuke besides that Naruto won't accept her like he did in the Kage summit and it is for a good reason  as a guy I can tell you that's the worst feeling  knowing that the women you love also have a feelings for another bc of that you will always doubt her feelings for you and Naruto knew this . The only thing that can slightly redeem us is the bench scene coming in to play but I'm not keeping my hopes up .

 

The DB quote I know what you are talking about but its not that it was something along the lines of Sasuke wasn't able to return her feelings bc he doesn't love her  that was the meaning but it was stated in different way  the translators should know this better .

 

In a movie ? This is even worse bc I have read the manga for 10 years so I can see it finish in a movie ? Then why the hell even bother writing this kitten in the first place ? As readers this is a betrayal to us and his work . (PS don't worry my internet is kitten also besides I had the time to lunch XD)  

[narusaku256]

 
thanks guys. I feel a little better now. yeah we all probably need some kinda break from this, its why I want it to hurry up and be thursday and hopefully people will be cheered up, its way too negative right now, this is worse than 615 and any other time I've been here 0.0 and I come every week and check out comments for each chapter, even if I don't say anything, half the time I don't know what to say, never have been good with words

Hurrying it up will make it worse! Its better we give them their time to come to terms with what just happened, why it happened and what could be its interpretations and what could it lead to...Just a bit of patience is all I ask of you.

[ultranx]

 

oh don't let it get to you so much! I'm still positve and if you want to stay that'd be cool

But yeah, on internet people are always like that sadly...

thank you, I'm glad at least some people are still positive.

 

@narusaku256 okay I'll try. I still think we're looking at a road to ninja repeat with sakura and the ova 2011 combined together though, I mean people thought road to ninja wasn't important at all , I think alot of people even thought it would be stopped from happening at all, and yet the infinite tsukiyomi happened and turned out just like the limited one just about, not to mention the genjutsu having the same kinda format as the movie one is a big deal too, makes me suspicious that the movie was a hint of things to come and that kishi planned this the whole time.

Edited by ultranx, 28 September 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Advaith]

Sorry if my post hit you but its just how I feel right now bc I ship NS for the development and the beauty of it  what it represented  not just for the sake of being canon  and whether we like it or not Kishimoto just kittented on it for the sake of stabbing SS again  and that is disgusting .

I said ur post is the truth in "this is it" meaning.

 

No need to apologize.

[KnS]

Okay.  So I've been thinking about the post Verilance made a bunch of pages back, and he's right.  I think we, as a community, have lost our way in terms of our expectations and reading this story the way it is intended.

 

If I stand back and take a calm look, it becomes clear that we've been expecting something more to be underneath the underneath, or a level of finesse that doesn't actually suit a shonen manga.

 

For ages now we've been collectively braying and bleating about the way those "other" fandoms are missing the point.  How they want something specific to happen... how they want what they want to happen so badly that they can't see the forest for the freaking trees.  Upon reflection I would say we've basically been doing the same thing.

 

We've been over-analyzing every little detail, speculating on how things were going to play out and doing so much of it so often that certain artifacts of our speculations have become our reality.  Just like those other fandoms.  And then when Kishimoto delivers something we didn't expect -- and certainly didn't sanction (like elements of this chapter) -- we scream and tear out our hair, dissolving into something that's, well, not very pretty.

 

I think we've been looking for an emotional gradient, for more subtle shading when Kishimoto has been rendering his story in much broader strokes.  Maybe it's just a natural result of having so much time on our hands in between updates to overthink.

 

If there's one point to take away from this chapter, it's that Kishimoto is purposely working back through his story to link his characters and current events to the life goals and emotional milestones that he set up for them from the beginning.  He's circling back to connect the dots and tie up the loose ends.

 

In fact, many of us groaned because he has so obviously brought up Sakura's feelings for Sasuke -- again.  Naruto's determination to complete the PoaL, save his friend, and eventually become Hokage -- again.  Sasuke's struggle to let go of his hate and choose a positive life wherein he can experience a different kind of love and family -- again.  It's as plain as day, and I submit that it is supposed to be.

 

There is no need for us to search for Kishimoto's point.  He's painting us a picture in big, broad strokes of primary colors -- not some kind of Where's Waldo? exercise.

 

If Kishimoto is so obviously stepping back through the story to touch on and resolve his character milestones, then I believe we can be certain we will see the bench scene again in some form.  It's practically guaranteed now.

 

So I'll just leave you with this....

 

full circle

 

 

[FireFox]

I said ur post is the truth in "this is it" meaning.

 

No need to apologize.

Ah I see  thanks I guess . That's one thing that bothers me is that people don't see this how bad it is from a visual point of view  and how disgusting this was  I just can't excuse this kitten . 

[ultranx]

 

Okay.  So I've been thinking about the post Verilance made a bunch of pages back, and he's right.  I think we, as a community, have lost our way in terms of our expectations and reading this story the way it is intended.

 

If I stand back and take a calm look, it becomes clear that we've been expecting something more to be underneath the underneath, or a level of finesse that doesn't actually suit a shonen manga.

 

For ages now we've been collectively braying and bleating about the way those "other" fandoms are missing the point.  How they want something specific to happen... how they want what they want to happen so badly that they can't see the forest for the freaking trees.  Upon reflection I would say we've basically been doing the same thing.

 

We've been over-analyzing every little detail, speculating on how things were going to play out and doing so much of it so often that certain artifacts of our speculations have become our reality.  Just like those other fandoms.  And then when Kishimoto delivers something we didn't expect -- and certainly didn't sanction (like elements of this chapter) -- we scream and tear out our hair, dissolving into something that's, well, not very pretty.

 

I think we've been looking for an emotional gradient, for more subtle shading when Kishimoto has been rendering his story in much broader strokes.  Maybe it's just a natural result of having so much time on our hands in between updates to overthink.

 

If there's one point to take away from this chapter, it's that Kishimoto is purposely working back through his story to link his characters and current events to the life goals and emotional milestones that he set up for them from the beginning.  He's circling back to connect the dots and tie up the loose ends.

 

In fact, many of us groaned because he has so obviously brought up Sakura's feelings for Sasuke -- again.  Naruto's determination to complete the PoaL, save his friend, and eventually become Hokage -- again.  Sasuke's struggle to let go of his hate and choose a positive life wherein he can experience a different kind of love and family -- again.  It's as plain as day, and I submit that it is supposed to be.

 

There is no need for us to search for Kishimoto's point.  He's painting us a picture in big, broad strokes of primary colors -- not some kind of Where's Waldo? exercise.

 

If Kishimoto is so obviously stepping back through the story to touch on and resolve his character milestones, then I believe we can be certain we will see the bench scene again in some form.  It's practically guaranteed now.

 

So I'll just leave you with this....

 

full circle

 

 

 

I agree 100% and I also think the bench scene will be brought up sooner or later, I also think that we're getting a repeat of road to ninja too with sakura xD I mean the tsukiyomi stuff, the rinnegan genjutsu, it all makes me suspicious. I've been suspicious ever since I saw it happen and saw everyone's dreams in the genjutsu

Edited by ultranx, 28 September 2014 - 05:25 PM.

[ns.Believe.It]

It does when Guy's emotional bond to his student becomes a single-minded obsession that hinders his ability to recognise the consequences that his actions may have on the people who depend on him for leadership and protection. Kishi's interpretation of Guy's bond might be positive in nature, but looking at it from certain angles, it's unhealthily prejudiced.

Why do you keep bringing the influence on other characters into this matter?

Plus I am talking about Gai and Lee's bond, not about whether or not Gai, as an individual, is characterized well.

 

 

 

Okay then, good for Lee. He has someone who can personally identify with his inadequacies. But it in no way justifies the sacrificing of another man's life for the reasons already mentioned above.

Are we talking about Gai's proclamation that he would die along with Lee? 

 

If so, You are being too harsh on him. People can't always be cold and calculative! Sometimes, when emotions are running high, the mind says what the heart feels. Its wrong to criticize someone of not thinking logically when the situation is emotional. Its especially harder if the person they are worried for at that moment is much closer to their heart than everyone else. 

 

 

 

This relationship is being looked at through rose-tinted glasses. The positives are emphasised while the repercussions it has on others is overlooked. If we're going to analayse the nature and specifics of something, then we should be prepared to factor in both the good and negative aspects of it.

Eh? When I am talking about the relation between any two people I only think about how it impacts the two in question. I think that's how its supposed to looked at.

 

When someone talks about the relationship between a husband and his wife, they talk about the husband and the wife. They're not gonna think about how this relationship affects the neighbours of the said couple.

 

And please don't talk about 'rose-tinted glasses' and such. You say I only look at the positives and I'll say you are only looking at the negatives 

 

 

 

And the dynamics between Lee and Guy shouldn't be compared to one that's contextually different such as the abusive infatuation that Sakura has for Sasuke. I think a more reasonable analogy could be made from the student/teacher relationship that Kakashi and Sasuke had during the Chunin Exams. While it wasn't as tight-knit, Kakashi did express a favouritism for Sasuke at the expense of Naruto and Sakura's development. We can only guess as to how they would have progressed at all if alternative teachers didn't fall into their laps in the form of the Sannin.

Fair enough. But there's a good reason why Kakashi selectively preferred to look after Sasuke at that time.

 

1) Sasuke was in danger from Orochimaru and the effects of the cursemark while Naruto and Sakura were in no such dangers.

2) Sasuke had proceeded to the next round while Sakura got knocked out. Obviously he would train Sasuke and not Sakura.

3) Sasuke possesses the Sharingan and Kakashi had a reasonable amount of expertise in using its powers. Kakashi was ideal to train him.

4) Jiraiya had asked Kakashi to teach Sasuke how to use the Sharingan and had told Kakashi to leave Naruto's training to him. 

 

 

 

Neglect for their other students seems to be the common element between these two when confronted with someone whom they can identify with. Their personal attraction is understandable, albeit it is unfairly slanted. 

Agreed. Both are guilty of this. 

[Lilac]

I keep seeing the bench scene being brought up, and I don't understand why? Naruto laughed after the forehead comment and said that was 'something Naruto would say'. "Sasuke" didn't compliment her forehead, he made a joke out of the statement, and then she looks disappointed. Why would that scene coming back be good? It seems anti-NS, considering Sakura was disappointed it wasn't from Sasuke.

[ultranx]

I keep seeing the bench scene being brought up, and I don't understand why? Naruto laughed after the forehead comment and said that was 'something Naruto would say'. "Sasuke" didn't compliment her forehead, he made a joke out of the statement, and then she looks disappointed. Why would that scene coming back be good? It seems anti-NS, considering Sakura was disappointed it wasn't from Sasuke.

not really, think about it, she daydreamed about it happening with sasuke before naruto did it henged, not because its sasuke but because its what she wants the man of her dreams to be like towards her, basically she's the same as kushina, she had the same dreams and same hate for her red hair.

[六道仙人]

No man i am not giving up, and you shouldn't either. you yesterday you tell me that you won't give up.

ehi, im just joking...don't take everything I write as serious business

[Lilac]

not really, think about it, she daydreamed about it happening with sasuke before naruto did it henged, not because its sasuke but because its what she wants the man of her dreams to be like towards her, basically she's the same as kushina, she had the same dreams and same hate for her red hair.

 

Except that doesn't work here, because it's played off as a joke. After he says that's something Naruto would say, she hangs her head and thinks, "Damn..." It's not a positive moment for NS or SS. The parallel would be negative for us, because the joke is Naruto would say that comment, and that disappoints her.

[NarutoFan0304]

Everyone should just calm down until we get more chapters. There's no way to know where Kishi's going with this until then. For all we know she could have been lying and was just trying to stop Sasuke from killing Naruto just like she tried to stop Naruto from going after Sasuke by confessing before. She could hate Sasuke and Naruto and truly be in love with Lee (lol). We won't know until we see it.

And even of she does still love Sasuke, that doesn't change her feelings for Naruto. Sasuke's the one that wants to fight and kill Naruto right now, so he's the one she needed to try to get to stop. She obviously couldn't stop him physically, so she tried to stop him emotionally, just like her "confession" to Naruto in LOI. You guys should read this:
http://wishgrantingd...of-sakuras-love

[Khaleesi]

Maybe I have yet to learn certain things or maybe my philosophy is just different than yours. To each their own I guess...My apologies incase I did offend your take on certain things....

Oh, no. I'm not mad at all. But you are taking this from your point of view about moral. It's okay to have one, but this is not just that if you are applying prejudices, meaning something is not possible/it's not right because you point of view is absolute.

Loving two persons at the same time is possible. Seems like you understand that. But that doesn't makes her a bad person per se.

 

Sorry if my post hit you but its just how I feel right now bc I ship NS for the development and the beauty of it  what it represented  not just for the sake of being canon  and whether we like it or not Kishimoto just kittented on it for the sake of stabbing SS again  and that is disgusting .

 

You see visually  it won't  bc until now we could have at least  doubt the nature of Sakura's feelings and say that she feels more for Naruto then she ever was for Sasuke  but this crap ruined it completely . The problem is Sakura loves Sasuke trough the entire manga 700 chaps almost and it given more focus  like that is what defines her  which is something you just don't do if NS is your main paring otherwise your main paring is looking like a joke and forced  and this is a kitten writing .

 

Her confession if you ask me is exactly that after everything she still prefers Sasuke and doesn't even consider Naruto who was right there not to mention that her love is the one of true love bc she wants to save him credits by kittening Kakashi yuck! . What about Naruto's love or her love for him why is this not touched upon often ? See the problem ?  This why NS comes as forced right now and its image destroyed . Also I don't believe in loving two people in the same time  not in this case  if NS is to be convincing then Sakura has to have no romantic feelings of love for Sasuke besides that Naruto won't accept her like he did in the Kage summit and it is for a good reason  as a guy I can tell you that's the worst feeling  knowing that the women you love also have a feelings for another bc of that you will always doubt her feelings for you and Naruto knew this . The only thing that can slightly redeem us is the bench scene coming in to play but I'm not keeping my hopes up .

 

The DB quote I know what you are talking about but its not that it was something along the lines of Sasuke wasn't able to return her feelings bc he doesn't love her  that was the meaning but it was stated in different way  the translators should know this better .

 

In a movie ? This is even worse bc I have read the manga for 10 years so I can see it finish in a movie ? Then why the hell even bother writing this kitten in the first place ? As readers this is a betrayal to us and his work . (PS don't worry my internet is kitten also besides I had the time to lunch XD)  

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Sorry, but i just see a bunch of letters and my eyes are kinda hurt. Sometimes i forget how to talk in spanish. Could you use more commas?

Let's see...Well, i don't agree that it's impossible to still place her loving Naruto more than she was for Sasuke. I don't exactly know how to explain this. Her feelings for Sasuke looks more intense for the situation. Or are you telling me that if right now were Naruto, she wouldn't worry at the same level? Or...worst?

spoiler

 

The situation doesn't make her love for Sasuke more powerful than her's for Naruto. 

 

WHAT? Okay, i need to calm down. Better i don't touch this subject.

 

??? Ask for someone to translate that sentence. And we will talk.

 

I know, I know. But i just telling you what seems more likeable. And I mean, 3, 4 years for Sakura and Naruto solve their feelings is the best way of not making him look like a 2 prize.

[catsi563]

that tumblr post by wishgranting darkness is actually very spot on. I stand on the bench scene as part of the reveal coming soon. whether via internal monologue or possible accidental revelation. but eyah we need to see Sasuke returned by Naruto first before we get some rsolution.

 

Sakura ahs put her heart and soul into saving both of them, were soon going to see the resolution of these efforts.

Edited by catsi563, 28 September 2014 - 05:57 PM.