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[Aizen-Sama]

@AHK ayy cuz, why is you even rapping with a female like that? I been peeping all that kitten you be doing and Ima go in your kitten if I see you do it again, I ain't even much kittening off bra. quit flexing on her and furthermore go kitten yourself pussy ass kitten n*gga.

 

Haha wtf?  I can take care of myself dude.  There's no need to swear at AHK.

[trang95]

@AHK ayy cuz, why is you even rapping with a female like that? I been peeping all that kitten you be doing and Ima go in your kitten if I see you do it again, I ain't even much kittening off bra. quit flexing on her and furthermore go kitten yourself pussy ass kitten n*gga.

Dude, keep the swearing off.

[AHK]

 

How is comparing Bleach and Naruto proof?  They are two completely different series.

It's not only because Orihime is in love with Ichigo that she's a better match but she's also a good friend of his.  Rukia is too but the difference is that Orihime's a living teenager like Ichigo who lives in his hometown and has more chances to interact with him unlike Rukia who not only has no romantic feelings for Ichigo, but is also dead and lives in the Soul Society.

That's not true, Chad was able to throw Ichigo out of his funk when he was depressed after Uryu betrayed them, and Orihime is the one who encouraged Ichigo to go save Rukia during the Soul Society arc.  Rukia is not the "only one" who can make Ichigo happy and he is not co-dependent on one person.

There has been no hard evidence that Rukia is in love with Ichigo, it's ambiguous.  Orihime being in love with Ichigo is canon. 

You just said in your last post that Ichigo staying in the Soul Society doesn't automatically mean he'll hook up with Rukia and now you're saying the opposite?

And you haven't proven that either Ichigo or Rukia are in love with eachother.  I'm able to prove that Orihime is in love with Ichigo and yet you dismiss the non-romance of IR and only expect me to prove that Ichigo is in love with Orihime?

RenRuki is relevant because it contradicts the IR pairing whom Rukia is part of.  It's possible that Renji has romantic feelings for Rukia as it was stated in the Bleach: Hell Verse movie guide manual that he's "secretly in love with his childhood friend Rukia".  If that's so then he would make a good match for Rukia who is dead and lives in the Soul Society like him along with the two being best friends.

I'm not dismissive, I'm only stating canon facts and you counter with arguments that have not been proven, such as Orihime being less of a friend to Ichigo, Rukia and Ichigo being in love with eachother, and Ichigo depending on Rukia for his happiness and no one else.  As I said arguing is pointless because you'll continue on believing what you want despite the evidence I give.  And that's okay because people can ship what they want.

Um, ok, I wasn't using Naruto as proof, but as an example as to why Orihime loving Ichigo doesn't equate to a healthy relationship by itself. Sakura "loved" Sasuke, but that relationship is terrible. Hinata "loved" Naruto, but that relationship is terrible. Granted, I'm well aware the circumstances are different, and that unlike the aforementioned, Orihime's love is actually genuine, but the point remains: just because her love is there, doesn't mean that the relationship is healthy, especially if Ichigo isn't receptive to the idea of a relationship with her. That especially seems to be the case due to the fact that people have to try to get him to notice her, showing that he doesn't have any interest. 

 

Chad did so, yes, but that wasn't the same as what Rukia did, their impact is entirely different. Chad bought him out of a funk, as did Orihime, but Rukia brought him back from being broken, not once, but twice. There has been plenty of evidence to suggest that their relationship is more than ambiguous, including a statement from Kubo that their relationship is more than friends, but less than lovers, and that he also wants people to focus on that and the change in their feelings. If you're going to bring up movies, then I suggest watching Fade to Black, as Kubo had explicitly worked on much of that movie.

 

I never said that about him moving to Soul Society, but I did say that your claim of location is irrelevant because its been foreshadowed that he will. That doesn't mean that IR is bound to happen because of it, but at the same time, that wouldn't benefit IH in the least, especially because they'd be nowhere near each other. 

 

Again, in the discussion of IR vs IH, RenRuki has zero relevance because Rukia has no feelings for Renji, at least that I'm aware of. Rukia and Ichigo are best friends, and have a stronger bond than Renji and Rukia anyway. I never said that Orihime is less of a friend, or that Ichigo is dependent on Rukia alone for happiness, what I said is that they have a stronger bond and that when Ichigo hits rock bottom, it is Rukia that pulls him out. 

Both ships has potential whether we like it or not if it's friendship or not, so I feel the debates could go either way for me, if something happens, it happens lol

Yeah, I don;t really care what ship happens, I don't mind either. I just think the story leans IR. 

@AHK ayy cuz, why is you even rapping with a female like that? I been peeping all that kitten you be doing and Ima go in your kitten if I see you do it again, I ain't even much kittening off bra. quit flexing on her and furthermore go kitten yourself pussy ass kitten n*gga.

LOL nice to meet you too. 

[RyohkiFan]

I thought it was a debate (I don't read long posts... ) How this happened? Lol

[DextersBro]

Um, ok, I wasn't using Naruto as proof, but as an example as to why Orihime loving Ichigo doesn't equate to a healthy relationship by itself. Sakura "loved" Sasuke, but that relationship is terrible. Hinata "loved" Naruto, but that relationship is terrible. Granted, I'm well aware the circumstances are different, and that unlike the aforementioned, Orihime's love is actually genuine, but the point remains: just because her love is there, doesn't mean that the relationship is healthy, especially if Ichigo isn't receptive to the idea of a relationship with her. That especially seems to be the case due to the fact that people have to try to get him to notice her, showing that he doesn't have any interest. 
 
Chad did so, yes, but that wasn't the same as what Rukia did, their impact is entirely different. Chad bought him out of a funk, as did Orihime, but Rukia brought him back from being broken, not once, but twice. There has been plenty of evidence to suggest that their relationship is more than ambiguous, including a statement from Kubo that their relationship is more than friends, but less than lovers, and that he also wants people to focus on that and the change in their feelings. If you're going to bring up movies, then I suggest watching Fade to Black, as Kubo had explicitly worked on much of that movie.
 
I never said that about him moving to Soul Society, but I did say that your claim of location is irrelevant because its been foreshadowed that he will. That doesn't mean that IR is bound to happen because of it, but at the same time, that wouldn't benefit IH in the least, especially because they'd be nowhere near each other. 
 
Again, in the discussion of IR vs IH, RenRuki has zero relevance because Rukia has no feelings for Renji, at least that I'm aware of. Rukia and Ichigo are best friends, and have a stronger bond than Renji and Rukia anyway. I never said that Orihime is less of a friend, or that Ichigo is dependent on Rukia alone for happiness, what I said is that they have a stronger bond and that when Ichigo hits rock bottom, it is Rukia that pulls him out. 

I get why people ship ichiruki since they're the two main characters but Orihime is more like ichigo's love interest while Rukia is like his best friend. They both have potential with him but i think Orihime has more. That movie Fade to Black was more about ichi and ruki's bond, not romance. Rukia did change ichigo's world but that doesnt mean he has to get with her cuz of it. Renji cares a lot more for rukia and is more tender with her.
I dont know..when it comes to being Ichigo's wife orihime has more chance.

[rocci]

That is true.
 
That said kind of funny that hateable character(s) getting paired in the so called holy trinity of WSJ. I guess OP is the only one that is "safe" yet it has no romance. What a world.

Who's hateable? Rukia, no I think it's orihime.

@mone
Then kubo need to develop it from one if not two of them.
Perhaps when ichigo and rukia in dangerous situation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Who's hateable? Rukia, no I think it's orihime.

@mone
Then kubo need to develop it from one if not two of them.
Perhaps when ichigo and rukia in dangerous situation.

Not Rukia but you make it sound like IchiHime is like the most likely winner. So if it happens, more hateable characters win!

[Maxximumhate]

I get why people ship ichiruki since they're the two main characters but Orihime is more like ichigo's love interest while Rukia is like his best friend. They both have potential with him but i think Orihime has more. That movie Fade to Black was more about ichi and ruki's bond, not romance. Rukia did change ichigo's world but that doesnt mean he has to get with her cuz of it. Renji cares a lot more for rukia and is more tender with her.
I dont know..when it comes to being Ichigo's wife orihime has more chance.

 

 :/ I wish people would stop saying people ship IchiRuki just because they're the 2 main characters. It's not only you but I saw similar posts before yours too. It's the same as saying people ship NaruSaku just because they're main characters.That's not true.There is a relationship there that attracts people, it's not only their status of main characters.
 
IchiRuki is my otp, has been for a long time and some years ago got to the point where it supplanted NaruSaku in my heart. I started to ship them during the SS arc. I really loved how Kubo took his time and showed us time and time again how important Rukia was to Ichigo. We actually got insight on Ichigo's thought, and how much he wanted to save Rukia. I mean we got Ichigo saying stuff like:
it's weird that the world just keeps going without Rukia
the bankai in my hand is for her sake.
Nothing else can change my world.
We even had Orihime commenting back then that Rukia isn't a friend for Ichigo. She's different. She's the one who changed his world. Then look at the intensity in that fight with Byakuya, how intent Ichigo was on defeating Baykuya and making him apologize to Rukia. And it happened.
 
The same on Rukia side. Even in prison, Hanatarou said that the one she talked most about was Ichigo. How much she regretted ruining his life, how much she had enjoyed the time she spent with him in the real world. She was about to be executed yet Ichigo was her main subject of discussion. Then you have Renji mentioning how alive Rukia became when he told her Ichigo was in SS. Or even her crying after she remembered Ichigo when she was about to die.
 
I was already shipping it back then because I thought it was precious to see them think of each other like that. The arrancar arc  came around, with Rukia getting Ichigo out of his thunk and Orihime even saying that she could see how happy Ichigo was after he saw Rukia. Or himbeing so worried about Rukia when the got to Hueco Mundo that Renji had to step in between him and Rukia. Not to mention him almost forgetting his mission to rescue Orihime when felt that Rukia had fallen in battle.
 
Even after Rukia was gone, we had Ichigo lying about not missing her, only to think about her leaving him during the Fulbring activation. This panel

 

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spoke load to me about Ichigo feelings. That and that scene where he regains his shinigami powers. Ichigo was crying, thought that his dad and Urahara had betrayed him but yet when he saw that it was Rukia who had stabbed him, he didn't talk about betrayal anymore.

 

In manga those are only but examples of moments why people ship IchiRuki. When you also have:

 

Kubo labeling Ichigo and Rukia story, "the story of destiny", when we know how much the theme is associated with love in the japanese culture. 

 

Kubo making comments such as:

When I created the character, I thought Kuchiki really fit as a Shinigami name and called her Kuchiki Rukia. She had her full name from the very beginning. Later on, I learned that the word "rukia" means "light." She's like a ray of light to Ichigo, which makes the name really suit her.

 

Kubo creating a bunch of surname for their relationship or making poems about how

the rain drags the Black Sun (Ichigo) but the rain is dried by the White Moon (Rukia) 

or how time stops when the 2 that share destiny are separated from each other.

 

Kubo answering a tweet about Ichigo/Orihime colors by making it Ichigo/Rukia colors:

 

RT @tiger_haruko2: “I’ve also been planning to buy an i-phone all this week! :3 By the way, if we go with a black x orange Ichigo, what colour would Orihime be?”

@tite_kubo: “Orihime, eh? I wonder. Would she not be something like light pink? As for Rukia, though, for her I’d go with violet and white.”

 

Then years later goes out and draw them at a resort like this.

 

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That makes up for a lot of reasons why many love IchiRuki and why amongst the 2 ships IchiRuki is more popular than IchiHime. I'm going to stop here since this post is long enough.

 

People don't ship IchiRuki just because main boy x main girl. There is enough canon evidence not only in manga but through Kubo himself to back up the shippers. If Kubo has intended to end it up with IchiRuki, which is the pairing I see as intended, then he will have done more than enough to build up that point IMO.

 

edit: damn this is long as hell and I can't put it under spoilers :/

Edited by Maxximumhate, 18 May 2015 - 12:42 AM.

[rocci]

Not Rukia but you make it sound like IchiHime is like the most likely winner. So if it happens, more hateable characters win!

It doesn't work with sakura.

This is not competition. There are no winner only right guest.
Well I just think, the one who has bigger chance to become canon is ichihime. Because the one who has love arrow is orihime.

[Aizen-Sama]

Um, ok, I wasn't using Naruto as proof, but as an example as to why Orihime loving Ichigo doesn't equate to a healthy relationship by itself. Sakura "loved" Sasuke, but that relationship is terrible. Hinata "loved" Naruto, but that relationship is terrible. Granted, I'm well aware the circumstances are different, and that unlike the aforementioned, Orihime's love is actually genuine, but the point remains: just because her love is there, doesn't mean that the relationship is healthy, especially if Ichigo isn't receptive to the idea of a relationship with her. That especially seems to be the case due to the fact that people have to try to get him to notice her, showing that he doesn't have any interest. 

 

Chad did so, yes, but that wasn't the same as what Rukia did, their impact is entirely different. Chad bought him out of a funk, as did Orihime, but Rukia brought him back from being broken, not once, but twice. There has been plenty of evidence to suggest that their relationship is more than ambiguous, including a statement from Kubo that their relationship is more than friends, but less than lovers, and that he also wants people to focus on that and the change in their feelings. If you're going to bring up movies, then I suggest watching Fade to Black, as Kubo had explicitly worked on much of that movie.

 

I never said that about him moving to Soul Society, but I did say that your claim of location is irrelevant because its been foreshadowed that he will. That doesn't mean that IR is bound to happen because of it, but at the same time, that wouldn't benefit IH in the least, especially because they'd be nowhere near each other. 

 

Again, in the discussion of IR vs IH, RenRuki has zero relevance because Rukia has no feelings for Renji, at least that I'm aware of. Rukia and Ichigo are best friends, and have a stronger bond than Renji and Rukia anyway. I never said that Orihime is less of a friend, or that Ichigo is dependent on Rukia alone for happiness, what I said is that they have a stronger bond and that when Ichigo hits rock bottom, it is Rukia that pulls him out.

 

Comparing Naruto's relationships to Bleach's is irrelevant since they're completely different characters in completely different situations.  How is Ichigo and Orihime's relationship "unhealthy"?  I fail to see why you'd compare it to a murderous pairing like SasuSaku or a pairing with barely any interaction like NaruHina.  I could say Ichigo & Rukia's bond is more like Naruto & Sasuke's for both being the main characters and their bond having the most focus but it wouldn't prove anything since they're different characters from a different story.

Orihime being in love with Ichigo is not the only reason why I think they'd make a good match but also because they're good friends.  According to you IchiHime is "unhealthy" because Ichigo isn't receptive to Orihime's romantic feelings yet you ignore the fact that Ichigo also has no romantic feelings for Rukia and neither does she for him?  Why aren't you calling IchiRuki "unhealthy" for that? 

Chad and Orihime getting Ichigo out of his depression is the same as Rukia getting Ichigo out of his depression.  Rukia has done it more but it doesn't change the fact that other characters can do it too.

Fade to Black wasn't about Ichigo and Rukia's romance but about their bond.  Kubo did say they were "more than friends" but "less than lovers", but he also said that their bond "wasn't romance".  It's ambiguous and could be taken as family or lovers, not canon fact like Orihime's love for Ichigo. 

So RenRuki is irrelevant because Rukia has "zero feelings" for Renji yet you ignore the fact that she also has zero feelings for Ichigo?  Double standards.  And no, Renji and Rukia's bond is not any weaker than Rukia's and Ichigo's, the former have known eachother longer and have spent more time together in the Soul Society.

Ichigo and Rukia just seem more like brother and sister to me, not lovers.  You can ship them if you want but I won't change my mind about Orihime being a better romantic match for Ichigo.

[Sprite]

Dude, keep the swearing off.

eat a kitten.

[DextersBro]

 

 :/ I wish people would stop saying people ship IchiRuki just because they're the 2 main characters. It's not only you but I saw similar posts before yours too. It's the same as saying people ship NaruSaku just because they're main characters.That's not true.There is a relationship there that attracts people, it's not only their status of main characters.
 
IchiRuki is my otp, has been for a long time and some years ago got to the point where it supplanted NaruSaku in my heart. I started to ship them during the SS arc. I really loved how Kubo took his time and showed us time and time again how important Rukia was to Ichigo. We actually got insight on Ichigo's thought, and how much he wanted to save Rukia. I mean we got Ichigo saying stuff like:
it's weird that the world just keeps going without Rukia
the bankai in my hand is for her sake.
Nothing else can change my world.
We even had Orihime commenting back then that Rukia isn't a friend for Ichigo. She's different. She's the one who changed his world. Then look at the intensity in that fight with Byakuya, how intent Ichigo was on defeating Baykuya and making him apologize to Rukia. And it happened.
 
The same on Rukia side. Even in prison, Hanatarou said that the one she talked most about was Ichigo. How much she regretted ruining his life, how much she had enjoyed the time she spent with him in the real world. She was about to be executed yet Ichigo was her main subject of discussion. Then you have Renji mentioning how alive Rukia became when he told her Ichigo was in SS. Or even her crying after she remembered Ichigo when she was about to die.
 
I was already shipping it back then because I thought it was precious to see them think of each other like that. The arrancar arc  came around, with Rukia getting Ichigo out of his thunk and Orihime even saying that she could see how happy Ichigo was after he saw Rukia. Or himbeing so worried about Rukia when the got to Hueco Mundo that Renji had to step in between him and Rukia. Not to mention him almost forgetting his mission to rescue Orihime when felt that Rukia had fallen in battle.
 
Even after Rukia was gone, we had Ichigo lying about not missing her, only to think about her leaving him during the Fulbring activation. This panel

 

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spoke load to me about Ichigo feelings. That and that scene where he regains his shinigami powers. Ichigo was crying, thought that his dad and Urahara had betrayed him but yet when he saw that it was Rukia who had stabbed him, he didn't talk about betrayal anymore.

 

In manga those are only but examples of moments why people ship IchiRuki. When you also have:

 

Kubo labeling Ichigo and Rukia story, "the story of destiny", when we know how much the theme is associated with love in the japanese culture. 

 

Kubo making comments such as:

When I created the character, I thought Kuchiki really fit as a Shinigami name and called her Kuchiki Rukia. She had her full name from the very beginning. Later on, I learned that the word "rukia" means "light." She's like a ray of light to Ichigo, which makes the name really suit her.

 

Kubo creating a bunch of surname for their relationship or making poems about how

the rain drags the Black Sun (Ichigo) but the rain is dried by the White Moon (Rukia) 

or how time stops when the 2 that share destiny are separated from each other.

 

Kubo answering a tweet about Ichigo/Orihime colors by making it Ichigo/Rukia colors:

 

RT @tiger_haruko2: “I’ve also been planning to buy an i-phone all this week! :3 By the way, if we go with a black x orange Ichigo, what colour would Orihime be?”

@tite_kubo: “Orihime, eh? I wonder. Would she not be something like light pink? As for Rukia, though, for her I’d go with violet and white.”

 

Then years later goes out and draw them at a resort like this.

 

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That makes up for a lot of reasons why many love IchiRuki and why amongst the 2 ships IchiRuki is more popular than IchiHime. I'm going to stop here since this post is long enough.

 

People don't ship IchiRuki just because main boy x main girl. There is enough canon evidence not only in manga but through Kubo himself to back up the shippers. If Kubo has intended to end it up with IchiRuki, which is the pairing I see as intended, then he will have done more than enough to build up that point IMO.

 

edit: damn this is long as hell and I can't put it under spoilers :/

 

'Aight bro I get why ship you ichiruki and that's cool.  i just like ichigo with orihime better and RenjiRuk.  These debates are dumb and are getting nowhere, fans will ship what they like.

 

Not Rukia but you make it sound like IchiHime is like the most likely winner. So if it happens, more hateable characters win!

 

Orihime gets hated a lot by anime fans, have no idea why she's a sweetie.

Edited by DextersBro, 18 May 2015 - 01:59 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

eat a kitten.

Dude quit it.

[DextersBro]

eat a kitten.

What the heck? Is swearing at members allowed here?

[rocci]

What the heck? Is swearing at members allowed here?

No, expect warning if not ban.

[luffyq1]

eat a kitten.

not cool dude.

[Aizen-Sama]

No, expect warning if not ban.

We obviously have a troll here lol. Can't even debate without people getting worked up.

[AHK]

I think someone is just mad that "Pepsi" isn't an available username

@aizen, I'll respond soon, I'm just sig/avatar hunting atm.

[rocci]

I think someone is just mad that "Pepsi" isn't an available username

@aizen, I'll respond soon, I'm just sig/avatar hunting atm.

We have pepsi, cola, sprite.
We need 7up or rootbeer.

[Aizen-Sama]

@aizen, I'll respond soon, I'm just sig/avatar hunting atm.

Okay but you do know I won't change my mind right? And that we're just pointlessly debating and it may go on forever?