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[TheFirstEvil100]

I guess it was to punish her. Because she was tainted for liking Sasuke when she was 13, and punching Naruto those three times, she didn't deserve Naruto, and everyone wants to see her suffer. While Hinata is getting the rewards she richly deserved for her loyal worship.

 

But the nonsensical nature of this just makes the truth even more obvious. Sakura was the one who was supposed to be comfortable and happy while Hinata never stops gazing at Naruto with longing from afar, no matter how many times Kiba asks her to stop doing it. Will there ever be any justice for Sakura? Unlikely, but I guess it's possible.

You see DrK hearing this and why she is getting this treatment makes me both sick and disgusted that it makes me want to rage, but the Hinata fans don't give two kittens cause she has big kittens and is a sex slave wife that will not question her man.

[DrK]

You see DrK hearing this and why she is getting this treatment makes me both sick and disgusted that it makes me want to rage, but the Hinata fans don't give two kittens cause she has big kittens and is a sex slave wife that will not question her man.

The absolute worst part is that she couldn't simply have lost Naruto, they had to make it out like she didn't want him at all, even though it ends up destroying her, her life, and everything she ever wanted to accomplish. They made her choose this. It's sadistic and sick. It doesn't even show any respect for her feelings for Sasuke, as shallow and not even deserving of respect as they were. Because she at least cared about him, and herself, enough that she would never have wanted to be with him if he had no interest in being around her.

 

Imagine if you were forced to do something degrading, like being homeless, being a prostitute, or whatever. Because you had no choice. It was your only option. Then a bunch of people, just because they don't like you, started telling everyone that you chose this. Because it was what you wanted. It's just kittened up. And that's what they did to Sakura. People who never read the original manga will just assume that her character always wanted this pathetic life. It's truly sadistic.

Edited by DrK, 23 February 2018 - 10:37 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I guess it was to punish her. Because she was tainted for liking Sasuke when she was 13, and punching Naruto those three times, she didn't deserve Naruto, and everyone wants to see her suffer. While Hinata is getting the rewards she richly deserved for her loyal worship.

 

But the nonsensical nature of this just makes the truth even more obvious. Sakura was the one who was supposed to be comfortable and happy while Hinata never stops gazing at Naruto with longing from afar, no matter how many times Kiba asks her to stop doing it. Will there ever be any justice for Sakura? Unlikely, but I guess it's possible.

 

I know what you mean, DrK, and like Evil said, this makes me pissed off because it's a damn shame that this had to happen to Sakura, and makes it seem like in the end that she was punishing herself for mistreating Naruto for some dumb reason, even if she really was trying to look out for him a lot of times, like when she wanted to remove the burden of him going after Sasuke after seeing how much it hurt him, even if it now makes NO SENSE in the "canon" reasoning we got fed in The Last which is still a huge load of crap.

[KClaws_2]

In regards to Sakura's living situation, I'm more wondering why Naruto doesn't just offer her a job? I mean, shipping aside, they were freaking teammates, she's married to his "supposed" best friend! Sarada's a genin (I think? I guess it depends on whether we're talking about the anime or manga) who will also be working, and as far as I know Sasuke isn't contributing a damn thing as far as Gaiden explains. So why not go back out in the workforce? Your hubby is clearly not paying the bills (among other things). Did they ever talk about this? Oh, wait. They can't, otherwise the fans will feel their precious ships being threatened by the mere idea passion could ignite between them. But wait, hasn't it been established that Naruto never really loved her? So what's the big deal if they do see each other again. Then again, this does seem to fit in well with Naruto's new scumbag character: not giving a damn about any of his so-called "bonds."

 

In regards to traditionalism playing a role, well, I don't know. I get that Japan is very traditionalist and slow to change, but the thing is many mainstream manga doesn't reflect that. You've got Goku who throughout the majority of DragonBall was unemployed. Yusuke was a delinquent whose mother birthed him when she was 14, that had to have been a double shame on that character! 

Oh, and Rurouni Kenshin (yes, I'm aware of what Watsuki has done. When speaking of this series, I will be praising the artwork and writing, but not the person behind it). Kaoru fell in love with a homeless man who took over the "womanly" duties for her, and at the conclusion she is the master of her own dojo. Keep in mind, at the conclusion, she's barely over 20 and is the master of a dojo in the 1800s! That HAD to have been frowned upon if it happened in real life! There are probably more and better examples, but those are the ones I'm thinking of off the top of my head.

As to how this factors into marriage, Naruto still contradicts that. I had a sociology teacher who lived in both Japan and China for a while, and in Japan love in marriage is considered unnecessary. PREFERABLE, mind you, but not necessary. A lot of times the two just get together believing they can have some sort of working relationship, have a kid, and take it from there. In Naruto, it seems more that the men have to marry the girls that fall for them, because apparently the new rule is they can never change, so you might as well settle. And Sakura let Karin have her baby's umbilical cord, so there's that...

[DrK]

In regards to Sakura's living situation, I'm more wondering why Naruto doesn't just offer her a job? I mean, shipping aside, they were freaking teammates, she's married to his "supposed" best friend! Sarada's a genin (I think? I guess it depends on whether we're talking about the anime or manga) who will also be working, and as far as I know Sasuke isn't contributing a damn thing as far as Gaiden explains. So why not go back out in the workforce? Your hubby is clearly not paying the bills (among other things). 

Sasuke does have the skills to pay the bills. However, he chooses not to. Haha.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Its a damn good question. Somehow, Masashi gave Sakura a stay-at-home mom role (why's she not working in the hospital as a lead doctor and what about that children's hospital the novels said she created?) but when she got angry at Sarada with the real life daddy/husband issues aka "Sasuke is legitmately playing house with them", Sakura destroyed the house, leading to worry about loans/mortgage... what?! It was very stupid, sort of like the higher-ups, those stupid editors and Pierrot wanted Sakura's adult life to be the lowest of the low while Hinata got be in the rich life because she got her man and status. God, that's like imagining Sakura living in a Section 8/welfare over here.

What's even worse is how is Sasuke not worried about money issues? He has a cellphone for goodness sake's.

So either Naruto is footing all the bills for Sasuke and not for Sakura. (Which I seem to remember people telling me how Sakura's bills are not his responsibility, yet I guess Sasuke's bills are.) OR Sasuke is some how rich, like you mentioned from inheritance from his clan, and he doesn't give a dime to Sakura at all. Also considering that they are supposed to be married, Sakura should have no problems accessing the money in the accounts if needed. So how are they in debt at all?

I guess this is one of those magical moments of "it is easier not to explain in context" sort of like showcasing how characters go to the bathroom. Yet, why bring up the loans at all? I guessing Sakura does get some kind of monetary compensation from Konoha welfare for being a single mother with no job. I wonder how much the Hokage job pays. I could say about $100,000 per year or something. Maybe $400,000 like the president in terms of American money, but I don't know.

Either way, Naruto seems to be so rich he doesn't care about spending anymore while his best friends are suffering. Way to be all caring, Naruto, as usual.

 

In regards to Sakura's living situation, I'm more wondering why Naruto doesn't just offer her a job? I mean, shipping aside, they were freaking teammates, she's married to his "supposed" best friend! Sarada's a genin (I think? I guess it depends on whether we're talking about the anime or manga) who will also be working, and as far as I know Sasuke isn't contributing a damn thing as far as Gaiden explains. So why not go back out in the workforce? Your hubby is clearly not paying the bills (among other things). Did they ever talk about this? Oh, wait. They can't, otherwise the fans will feel their precious ships being threatened by the mere idea passion could ignite between them. But wait, hasn't it been established that Naruto never really loved her? So what's the big deal if they do see each other again. Then again, this does seem to fit in well with Naruto's new scumbag character: not giving a damn about any of his so-called "bonds."

 

In regards to traditionalism playing a role, well, I don't know. I get that Japan is very traditionalist and slow to change, but the thing is many mainstream manga doesn't reflect that. You've got Goku who throughout the majority of DragonBall was unemployed. Yusuke was a delinquent whose mother birthed him when she was 14, that had to have been a double shame on that character! 

Oh, and Rurouni Kenshin (yes, I'm aware of what Watsuki has done. When speaking of this series, I will be praising the artwork and writing, but not the person behind it). Kaoru fell in love with a homeless man who took over the "womanly" duties for her, and at the conclusion she is the master of her own dojo. Keep in mind, at the conclusion, she's barely over 20 and is the master of a dojo in the 1800s! That HAD to have been frowned upon if it happened in real life! There are probably more and better examples, but those are the ones I'm thinking of off the top of my head.

As to how this factors into marriage, Naruto still contradicts that. I had a sociology teacher who lived in both Japan and China for a while, and in Japan love in marriage is considered unnecessary. PREFERABLE, mind you, but not necessary. A lot of times the two just get together believing they can have some sort of working relationship, have a kid, and take it from there. In Naruto, it seems more that the men have to marry the girls that fall for them, because apparently the new rule is they can never change, so you might as well settle. And Sakura let Karin have her baby's umbilical cord, so there's that...

It's funny you mention this because I mentioned this some time ago and all I got from some people was that "Sakura's life is not Naruto's responsibility." No jobs or even fundraisers to help her.

Bold: To be fair, Chi-Chi and Kaoru came from sort wealthy families that had money to sustain them. Chi-Chi father was a king and nod doubt has a good sizable income and Kaoru owned her own dojo from her father who no doubt probably had money as well.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Bold: To be fair, Chi-Chi and Kaoru came from sort wealthy families that had money to sustain them. Chi-Chi father was a king and nod doubt has a good sizable income and Kaoru owned her own dojo from her father who no doubt probably had money as well.

 

And we know Ox helped Goku and Chi-Chi after they got married with their house at Mt. Paozu, as well as likely helping a good bit when Gohan and Goten were born (especially with Goku being dead when Goten was born).

[winter-serenade]

I remember I made a post about Sakura's debt. People told me a was taking a comic relief moment too seriously. Honestly...

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I remember I made a post about Sakura's debt. People told me a was taking a comic relief moment too seriously. Honestly...

 

It isn't a funny thing with debt. It cripples a lot of people in so many ways, that it isn't comic relief.

[DrK]

I remember I made a post about Sakura's debt. People told me a was taking a comic relief moment too seriously. Honestly...

Oh that was absolutely a comic relief moment. But everyone was laughing at her, not with her. That is why this kitten is so despicable. You know they wouldn't play that trope at Hinata's expense.

Edited by DrK, 24 February 2018 - 09:08 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Oh that was absolutely a comic relief moment. But everyone was laughing at her, not with her. That is why this kitten is so despicable. You know they wouldn't play that trope at Hinata's expense.

Nope, they would blame Naruto and say he is not a good husband to provide for her.

More proof that obvious bias is obvious and people tell me that Hinata didn't change the narrative of this story.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 February 2018 - 09:26 PM.

[DrK]

Nope, they would blame Naruto and say he is not a good husband to provide for her.

More proof that obvious bias is obvious and people tell me that Hinata didn't change the narrative of this story.

She did change it. And it was at the expense of someone. And their name didn't start with an "S" and end with an "akura", though that is a good answer.

 

It started with an "E" and ended with a "veryone"

[Phantom_999]

Oh that was absolutely a comic relief moment. But everyone was laughing at her, not with her. That is why this kitten is so despicable. You know they wouldn't play that trope at Hinata's expense.

 

Yeah, would they think it is SO FUNNY if Hinata was in financial distress? and she is overworked to provide for her kids?  effing double standards of these people

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 February 2018 - 02:58 AM.

[Derock]

Financial status or not, the damn unimportance even left her clan, Byakugan is now tainted! Just only because she wants the "D" from the titular character, married and had kids but didn't even do crap as a character significantly. All of her "so-called" fans yapping external and internal because they want the story THEIR way and look what happened. Character assassinations galore to the main cast and themes were burn into the trash.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Financial status or not, the damn unimportance even left her clan, Byakugan is now tainted! Just only because she wants the "D" from the titular character, married and had kids but didn't even do crap as a character significantly. All of her "so-called" fans yapping external and internal because they want the story THEIR way and look what happened. Character assassinations galore to the main cast and themes were burn into the trash.

 

DAMN, DEROCK!! And I will say, that really in the long run is just a goddamn shame because of the fact that Hinata's fans only wanted Hinata to get what she wanted, and they obviously didn't care anything about the story, the other characters, etc. It's why I wish that the NH fandom would stop saying WE'RE (as in the rest of the fandoms, and those who loved the series for what it was telling) salty over the ending, when it's their obvious childish nature that led to the situation we have now, thanks in no part to Studio Pierrot and their bias (something they never did in earlier anime of theirs like Yu Yu Hakusho).

[Derock]

 

DAMN, DEROCK!! And I will say, that really in the long run is just a goddamn shame because of the fact that Hinata's fans only wanted Hinata to get what she wanted, and they obviously didn't care anything about the story, the other characters, etc. It's why I wish that the NH fandom would stop saying WE'RE (as in the rest of the fandoms, and those who loved the series for what it was telling) salty over the ending, when it's their obvious childish nature that led to the situation we have now, thanks in no part to Studio Pierrot and their bias (something they never did in earlier anime of theirs like Yu Yu Hakusho).

 

As I said before but I will go in detail. I can understand that a person will like a fictional character. But don't put them on a pedestal as if he/she is very important to a franchise without any credit from the author(s)/company stated. I see this a lot these days. People will like a character but worship them to the point that they will go goo-goo, gaa-gaa all over, like idols. But never in my life had I seen something that is unbelievable that will kill a franchise that lasted over 15 years. Its like they see this: popularity=important. That happens IF the said character is believable to contribute his/her role in their respectable franchise and guarantee the character is likable to its audience. But in this situation, we had seen it: bias and favoritism played a role thinking the money and numbers will come like it did back in the day, unfortunately, it hadn't.

Edited by Derock, 25 February 2018 - 07:54 AM.
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[rocci]

Financial status or not, the damn unimportance even left her clan, Byakugan is now tainted! Just only because she wants the "D" from the titular character, married and had kids but didn't even do crap as a character significantly. All of her "so-called" fans yapping external and internal because they want the story THEIR way and look what happened. Character assassinations galore to the main cast and themes were burn into the trash.

No burito generation is Hyuga and have byakugan. Let that sink. No golden byakugan, so much for the most hype clan of the waifu.


Anyway i don't like sakura part 2 hair style. Part 1 or post ending is better.
She better have straight hair like 02 from darling in the franxx.

[KClaws_2]

Bold: To be fair, Chi-Chi and Kaoru came from sort wealthy families that had money to sustain them. Chi-Chi father was a king and nod doubt has a good sizable income and Kaoru owned her own dojo from her father who no doubt probably had money as well.

 

 

I remember hearing that Goku and Chi-Chi have lived off the money he won against Piccolo (they give prize money to the winner), and Mr. Satan's gift to him in Super also probably helped. Doubtful in the case of Kaour's situation. I'm sure her dad left her SOME money, but it's my understanding that, at least back then, dojos in Japan were well-respected but generally did not make a lot of money. Add that to the difficulty of a woman running such a place back then and how many would probably turn their nose at the idea of a woman-led dojo, so that put a dent in her income.

This was more a point in the anime, but Kaoru would shop for large amounts, claiming it was more "cost-effective", she had to go door to door to give private lessons, and then there was the time she and the others went aboard the ship for a temporary job. Again, I acknowledge none of this is strictly canon, but I imagine the anime staff had a good basis to include these.

[James S Cassidy]

 

As I said before but I will go in detail. I can understand that a person will like a fictional character. But don't put them on a pedestal as if he/she is very important to a franchise without any credit from the author(s)/company stated. I see this a lot these days. People will like a character but worship them to the point that they will go goo-goo, gaa-gaa all over, like idols. But never in my life had I seen something that is unbelievable that will kill a franchise that lasted over 15 years. Its like they see this: popularity=important. That happens IF the said character is believable to contribute his/her role in their respectable franchise and guarantee the character is likable to its audience. But in this situation, we had seen it: bias and favoritism played a role thinking the money and numbers will come like it did back in the day, unfortunately, it hadn't.

I think what drives me up the wall is that they show these obvious signs of pure biasness and then tell US, the NaruSaku fanbase, that we are the ones who have problems. That we are too obsessed in pairings to "see the real story" and that we need to stop taking characters so seriously whenever we start beating them in their own argument.

We say that NS not getting together undermines the story, they tell us it is not about pairings and it is not a romance manga, but think Naruto the Last is the "best love story ever written."

Honestly, not just with fandoms, but people in this day and age seems to drive me up the wall with contradictory ways of thinking. It is okay for them to be obsessed with characters, but they put deown anyone else who has a favorite character. ("ugh, Sakura fans are so blind to the facts that she is a bad character. Now let me tell yoy why Hinata is the greatest anime character of all time.") They tell people that the other person can't do stuff or have these thoughts and then proceed to use the same thoughts and logic to use against them as a means to discredit the others.

Look also to the Goku vs Superman debates. Apparently, Superman lifting a book of infinite pages doesn't count and is an outlier, but that one time Goku supposedly almost destroyed the universe by clashing with Beerus means that Goku can apparently destroy the universe in 3 punches. Superman being killed by Doomsday means that Superman can be killed by brute force, but Goku being motrally wounded by a minion laser shouldn't be taken seriously because "Goku was blindsided and obviously can't be taken into account" so you can't say Superman's heat vision can hurt Goku. Superman is told that it is not fair that he has so many writers so they cheated with Superman, but Vegeta failure to lift 1000 tons in Blue form in DBS manga should not be taken credible because "Toriyama is inconsistent and shouldn't be taken seriously because Goku lifted over a million tons when he was a child."

So I believe we live in the double standard generation now. They cherry-pick what they choose to count.
https://comicvine.ga...poiler-1784855/

Just look at the comments here. Their favoritism is so great they pick and choose what is canon and what isn't even though official sources say otherwise.
And I will add that yeah, maybe Toriyama doesn't know what he is doing and just writes numbers for the sake of numbers, but then these same people will say all of that, but then discredit Superman for everything he does. (Lifting a book of infinite pages, moving the Earth around, and so much more.) This picking and choosing what facts they want to include is hurting my brain something fierce.

 

 

 

I remember hearing that Goku and Chi-Chi have lived off the money he won against Piccolo (they give prize money to the winner), and Mr. Satan's gift to him in Super also probably helped. Doubtful in the case of Kaour's situation. I'm sure her dad left her SOME money, but it's my understanding that, at least back then, dojos in Japan were well-respected but generally did not make a lot of money. Add that to the difficulty of a woman running such a place back then and how many would probably turn their nose at the idea of a woman-led dojo, so that put a dent in her income.

This was more a point in the anime, but Kaoru would shop for large amounts, claiming it was more "cost-effective", she had to go door to door to give private lessons, and then there was the time she and the others went aboard the ship for a temporary job. Again, I acknowledge none of this is strictly canon, but I imagine the anime staff had a good basis to include these.

 

Yes, but that was only recently in the story. I was more talking about in earlier of the story when Goku died and Gohan was just a baby or a few years old.

As for Kaoru, well her dojo fell into hard times after her father died. She still owns the place and she still has some money to her name, but I didn't say it was comfortable living. Just enough to sustain for a little while. Far more than Sakura's situations that she has to rely on loans.

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

It isn't a funny thing with debt. It cripples a lot of people in so many ways, that it isn't comic relief.

Look at Hayate no Gotoku. The whole thing is kicked off because of Hayate being left in debt by his parents, who run off and ditch him, leaving it all on him, which is how he eventually ends up Nagi's butler in order to make the money to pay off said debt. But when was the last time the debt was seriously brought up in the story? The debt feels like it was very quickly forgotten about in favor of the usual harem/comedy hijinks to where I'm sure a lot of people probably have forgotten about Hayate being in debt to begin with.

Or Ouran High School Host Club and Haruhi becoming a host in order to pay back money for accidentally breaking a very expensive vase. When was the last time that debt was brought up? I think only like...once or something, but again, it seems to be very quickly forgotten about and focusing far more on the club itself and its members.

Basically, the debt was simply used as a convenient way to kickstart the story and getting the main character into their intended role. Without using debt, there was no real reason to have Hayate become Nagi's butler or Haruhi becoming a host.

 

 

As I said before but I will go in detail. I can understand that a person will like a fictional character. But don't put them on a pedestal as if he/she is very important to a franchise without any credit from the author(s)/company stated. I see this a lot these days. People will like a character but worship them to the point that they will go goo-goo, gaa-gaa all over, like idols. But never in my life had I seen something that is unbelievable that will kill a franchise that lasted over 15 years. Its like they see this: popularity=important. That happens IF the said character is believable to contribute his/her role in their respectable franchise and guarantee the character is likable to its audience. But in this situation, we had seen it: bias and favoritism played a role thinking the money and numbers will come like it did back in the day, unfortunately, it hadn't.

Or thinking popularity = more powerful in-universe. Can't count the number of times I've seen people try to claim that X is (much) stronger than Y because X (or the series/franchise they're from) is much more popular in real life while ignoring the fact that Y's series/franchise has a much greater power scale, has far more powerful abilities, and/or has far more and/or greater feats under their belt that supports their claims of power and abilities.

 

 

 

I remember hearing that Goku and Chi-Chi have lived off the money he won against Piccolo (they give prize money to the winner), and Mr. Satan's gift to him in Super also probably helped. Doubtful in the case of Kaour's situation. I'm sure her dad left her SOME money, but it's my understanding that, at least back then, dojos in Japan were well-respected but generally did not make a lot of money. Add that to the difficulty of a woman running such a place back then and how many would probably turn their nose at the idea of a woman-led dojo, so that put a dent in her income.

This was more a point in the anime, but Kaoru would shop for large amounts, claiming it was more "cost-effective", she had to go door to door to give private lessons, and then there was the time she and the others went aboard the ship for a temporary job. Again, I acknowledge none of this is strictly canon, but I imagine the anime staff had a good basis to include these.

 

Aside from what James mentioned, it doesn't help that Gohei's actions of murdering people and claiming to use the Kamiya Kashin style caused what few students Kaoru had left to quit and giving the dojo a smeared reputation for a while, and then having more mouths to feed when Kenshin and Yahiko end up living at the dojo (and Sanosuke, Megumi, and others stopping by pretty often). It's why she demanded several times that Kenshin, Sanosuke, and Yahiko go out to find jobs in order to lessen the financial burden,.