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[Bail o' Lies]

Considering the things reported about the PR stunt Warner Bros did to Snyder with the whole Justice League scenario that just came out recently kinda furthers my belief that the same thing that happened with Kishi.  wether's true or not still remains to be seen from that end, but damn. 

What happened?

[LuckyChi7]

What happened?

 

Apparently Warner Brother's fired Zack Snyder around January/February of last year cause they didn't like his cut think of Sony during the The Amazing Spider-Man films (yeah we know how those movies turned out), and when his daughter committed suicide they basically used that as a form of PR control to say he stepped down. 

 

 

Which is a damn shame honestly.   

 

the article is here: https://www.polygon....ce-league-fired

 

 

 

 

When it comes to Kishi, remember that around the time Naruto was on it's final legs back in 2014, his father passed away. I'm pretty sure during that time he was going through alot of grief, and I really do believe that the editors really took advantage of the story and literally that waas the week Chapter 663 came out. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 14 February 2018 - 11:09 PM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Apparently Warner Brother's fired Zack Snyder around January/February of last year cause they didn't like his cut think of Sony during the The Amazing Spider-Man films (yeah we know how those movies turned out), and when his daughter committed suicide they basically used that as a form of PR control to say he stepped down. 

 

 

Which is a damn shame honestly.   

 

the article is here: https://www.polygon....ce-league-fired

 

 

 

 

When it comes to Kishi, remember that around the time Naruto was on it's final legs back in 2014, his father passed away. I'm pretty sure during that time he was going through alot of grief, and I really do believe that the editors really took advantage of the story and literally that waas the week Chapter 663 came out. 

That's wrong, Zack left on his own because of what happened to his family. He tried to push through, but couldn't deal with it. And honestly who can?

Now on Kishi, thinking about what effect that has on one's life, it's perfectly understandable that he just didn't care about Naruto, and let others do as they wished. People deal with grief in different ways, and for some people it destroys them entirely. It's not something that one can go through unscathed. 

[LuckyChi7]

That's wrong, Zack left on his own because of what happened to his family. He tried to push through, but couldn't deal with it. And honestly who can?

Now on Kishi, thinking about what effect that has on one's life, it's perfectly understandable that he just didn't care about Naruto, and let others do as they wished. People deal with grief in different ways, and for some people it destroys them entirely. It's not something that one can go through unscathed. 

 

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure about the whole thing with Zack Snyder and WB incident that's going on, but if it's actually true which I'm not saying it is but, just speaking hypothetical then WB kitten... they've really dug themselves deep. 

 

I will say though, regardless I'm really looking forward to what Zack Snyder decides to next regardless of if it's DCEU related or his own personal project. 

 

In terms of Kishi I completely agree it takes alot for just anyone to deal with grief, and I'll be honest just as a person I hope he's doing well. Whether or not his next series is something I'll be cheering for is really really slim. I'll still atleast see what the first chapter is like and that's it. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

In terms of Kishi I completely agree it takes alot for just anyone to deal with grief, and I'll be honest just as a person I hope he's doing well. Whether or not his next series is something I'll be cheering for is really really slim. I'll still atleast see what the first chapter is like and that's it. 

 

Yeah, though I don't got too high of hopes for Kishimoto's next manga, Chi, mostly because of how he screwed the pooch hard on Naruto.

[Bail o' Lies]

With Kishimoto it was probably less grief, though that may have been a part, but it was probably more; his dad's death made him look at where he was in his life. He had been writing the same manga for nearly 15 years at that point, he was soon going to reach forty years old, and he had spent most of those 15 years every week working on the same manga that was taking up a large portion of his life. So because of that manga: he hadn't been able to take his wife on their honeymoon, he was barely able to spend any time with his kids to the point he felt they had no connection, with his father's death he probably realized that he hadn't spent as much time with him as he should have, he will now never have that chance, and he is missing opportunities to do the same activities his father once did with him with his kids. So he made the decision to end Naruto; so he could spend more time with his family.

 

The problem is since his goal was now just to end Naruto no matter what; that gave the editors, SP, and the hinata fanatics the power to decided the ending. Originally he fought to keep NS for many reason including that it represented to his wife "he was thinking of her even when he was completely swampted at work." But since he was soon going to be able to spend more time with her; might as well give the fans that supported him for all those years, and made Naruto financially successful what they wanted. When that turned out it wasn't the case, because they were not the customers that were paying for Naruto products. He had upset his wife by giving up the pairing that meant that he was still faithful to her, had damaged his reputation, and ruined the manga he had spent 15 years working on -making the time he sacrifice on it seem pointless- all for nothing. 

 

Afterward he wanted to work on a new bi-weekly series so he could still work as a mangaka experimenting with some ideas that he had while working on Naruto, while also having enough time to spend with his family.

 

Boruto is a monthly manga because he probably refused to spend every single week (or even two weeks) trying to fix the sequel based on the bad suggestions his former editors forced him to make into the ending. Especially, when that is exactly what he wanted to be done with -so he allowed nH to happen- in the first place. So it became monthly while he spent most of his time with his family & as little time possible working on Boruto as it's editor instead of mangaka. Until they finally just let him leave, and work on his own manga. From what I read he is not even the adviser of the Boruto anime; that's the writer of the Boruto manga Ukyou Kodachi's job. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 February 2018 - 06:07 AM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure about the whole thing with Zack Snyder and WB incident that's going on, but if it's actually true which I'm not saying it is but, just speaking hypothetical then WB kitten... they've really dug themselves deep. 

 

I will say though, regardless I'm really looking forward to what Zack Snyder decides to next regardless of if it's DCEU related or his own personal project. 

 

In terms of Kishi I completely agree it takes alot for just anyone to deal with grief, and I'll be honest just as a person I hope he's doing well. Whether or not his next series is something I'll be cheering for is really really slim. I'll still atleast see what the first chapter is like and that's it. 

Regarding Zack, I don't like discussing it, simply because that's not something anyone should deal with, but I'm just going to say it had to do with his daughter and end it there.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

With Kishimoto it was probably less grief, though that may have been a part, but it was probably more; his dad's death made him look at where he was in his life. He had been writing the same manga for nearly 15 years at that point, he was soon going to reach forty years old, and he had spent most of those 15 years every week working on the same manga that was taking up a large portion of his life. So because of that manga: he hadn't been able to take his wife on their honeymoon, he was barely able to spend any time with his kids to the point he felt they had no connection, with his father's death he probably realized that he hadn't spent as much time with him as he should have, he will now never have that chance, and he is missing opportunities to do the same activities his father once did with him with his kids. So he made the decision to end Naruto; so he could spend more time with his family.

 

The problem is since his goal was now just to end Naruto no matter what; that gave the editors, SP, and the hinata fanatics the power to decided the ending. Originally he fought to keep NS for many reason including that it represented to his wife "he was thinking of her even when he was completely swampted at work." But since he was soon going to be able to spend more time with her; might as well give the fans that supported him for all those years, and made Naruto financially successful what they wanted. When that turned out it wasn't the case, because they were not the customers that were paying for Naruto products. He had upset his wife by giving up the pairing that meant that he was still faithful to her, had damaged his reputation, and ruined the manga he had spent 15 years working on -making the time he sacrifice on it seem pointless- all for nothing. 

 

Afterward he wanted to work on a new bi-weekly series so he could still work as a mangaka experimenting with some ideas that he had while working on Naruto, while also having enough time to spend with his family.

 

Boruto is a monthly manga because he probably refused to spend every single week (or even two weeks) trying to fix the sequel based on the bad suggestions his former editors forced him to make into the ending. Especially, when that is exactly what he wanted to be done with -so he allowed nH to happen- in the first place. So it became monthly while he spent most of his time with his family & as little time possible working on Boruto as it's editor instead of mangaka. Until they finally just let him leave, and work on his own manga. From what I read he is not even the adviser of the Boruto anime; that's the writer of the Boruto manga Ukyou Kodachi's job. 

 

WHOA.... that's pretty intense but poignant, Bail! And at the same time, you bring up a lot of good points, considering that it could make a lot of sense but it also doesn't excuse it in the slightly what he did.   All because of what happened, he failed the fans most of all, and allowed a minority to dictate what should and shouldn't be done.

[tricksie]

With Kishimoto it was probably less grief, though that may have been a part, but it was probably more; his dad's death made him look at where he was in his life. He had been writing the same manga for nearly 15 years at that point, he was soon going to reach forty years old, and he had spent most of those 15 years every week working on the same manga that was taking up a large portion of his life. So because of that manga: he hadn't been able to take his wife on their honeymoon, he was barely able to spend any time with his kids to the point he felt they had no connection, with his father's death he probably realized that he hadn't spent as much time with him as he should have, he will now never have that chance, and he is missing opportunities to do the same activities his father once did with him with his kids. So he made the decision to end Naruto; so he could spend more time with his family.

 

The problem is since his goal was now just to end Naruto no matter what; that gave the editors, SP, and the hinata fanatics the power to decided the ending. Originally he fought to keep NS for many reason including that it represented to his wife "he was thinking of her even when he was completely swampted at work." But since he was soon going to be able to spend more time with her; might as well give the fans that supported him for all those years, and made Naruto financially successful what they wanted. When that turned out it wasn't the case, because they were not the customers that were paying for Naruto products. He had upset his wife by giving up the pairing that meant that he was still faithful to her, had damaged his reputation, and ruined the manga he had spent 15 years working on -making the time he sacrifice on it seem pointless- all for nothing. 

 

Afterward he wanted to work on a new bi-weekly series so he could still work as a mangaka experimenting with some ideas that he had while working on Naruto, while also having enough time to spend with his family.

 

Boruto is a monthly manga because he probably refused to spend every single week (or even two weeks) trying to fix the sequel based on the bad suggestions his former editors forced him to make into the ending. Especially, when that is exactly what he wanted to be done with -so he allowed nH to happen- in the first place. So it became monthly while he spent most of his time with his family & as little time possible working on Boruto as it's editor instead of mangaka. Until they finally just let him leave, and work on his own manga. From what I read he is not even the adviser of the Boruto anime; that's the writer of the Boruto manga Ukyou Kodachi's job. 

 

I also see it as the changing ideas/values of the single man who made a one-shot comic comic in 1999 for a contest vs. the married family man who is deciding how to transition this multimillion dollar international franchise into something with less work but still generating income.

 

And in having that giant life change, I can also see how a single young man in the late 90s would have written Sakura as the perfect partner for Naruto — both being modern and wanting to break the mold and do things different in the village than they'd ever been done before. (That theme is rehashed over and over and over.) But in the end, the middle-aged family man placed a higher value on a more traditional family-oriented girl, from a traditional clan/family, and Naruto stepping back from his vows to do everything his own way and change the world they live in. So it changed from being about the future to being about holding on to traditional values.

 

Honestly, I think Kishi was just finished with it. He was ready to move on. So at that point it didn't matter what loose ends there were. He was done.

[DrK]

Honestly, I think Kishi was just finished with it. He was ready to move on. So at that point it didn't matter what loose ends there were. He was done.

I'd say it's less like he left loose ends and more like he set the... string? on fire.

 

I don't think values played a part. You have to consider that if he was committed to an artistic vision, with whatever values we want to say he would use, then Boruto wouldn't even exist.

Edited by DrK, 16 February 2018 - 06:56 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I also see it as the changing ideas/values of the single man who made a one-shot comic comic in 1999 for a contest vs. the married family man who is deciding how to transition this multi-million dollar international franchise into something with less work but still generating income.

 

And in having that giant life change, I can also see how a single young man in the late 90s would have written Sakura as the perfect partner for Naruto — both being modern and wanting to break the mold and do things different in the village than they'd ever been done before. (That theme is rehashed over and over and over.) But in the end, the middle-aged family man placed a higher value on a more traditional family-oriented girl, from a traditional clan/family, and Naruto stepping back from his vows to do everything his own way and change the world they live in. So it changed from being about the future to being about holding on to traditional values.

 

Honestly, I think Kishi was just finished with it. He was ready to move on. So at that point it didn't matter what loose ends there were. He was done.

If traditionalism is suppose to be a theme now in the Naruto franchise; how do you explain Salad? Salad's dream is not to become a housewife, but instead to take up the mantle of hokage; a village leader that has been held by men 6/7 of the time. Compare this to her mother who's dream was to get a boyfriend, then get married, and have a loving relationship with her hot husband. Which of these two dreams are more tradition for women to have? I don't know if you been keeping up with Boruto but if he fulfills his dream then Salad will be his boss, and it clear that they are suppose to get together. Is it very traditional for a wife to be her husband's boss?

 

Yes, I know about Sumire the Clone of Hinata, but she was clearly made by a hinata fanatic working on Boruto hoping lighting would strike twice. Granted that first bolt put the franchise on life support...So hopefully it does.

 

If making traditionalism a major theme in the franchise with the ending with the goal of convincing Japanese kids to get married and have kids? Then we would have seen more examples of this in his interviews, and the manga. Such as the ending paring not having on average one kid each. Yes, I know kishimoto is lying in his interview, but the truth slips out if you let a person talk long enough. When he talks about Hinata after the ending. He constantly says does not understand her appeal -which if he is trying to promote traditionalism through her makes no sense-, and he mainly did it because he was told the fans loved her.

 

Sakura was based on his wife. Anyone who has talked about meeting her has compared her to Sakura, and Sakura to her. She even believe this and was upset when he had replace her as the love interest with hinata.

 

Now lets look at the end pairing marriages. nH is a very traditional family. Father work all day, the mother is a housewife, and the kids go to school. Yes all well and good. Now look past the surface and see how miserable they are; the father is apathetic to his family due to being swampt with work, the wife is upset that her husband is neglecting the family, and the kids are acting out due to a lack of a strong father-figure. Now SS you could say is to tell the danger of girls that act like Sakura are likely to end up single mother, but I say it more likely that relationship is like that because kishimoto loves SS as much as his wife loves nH.

 

nH happening was suppose to be Kishimoto's parting gift to the fans as a thank you for supporting him for all those years before moving on to other stories. Instead he has spent the last three years trying to handle the mistake they tricked him into making.  When he leave Boruto it is unlikely he will ever look back.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 February 2018 - 12:30 AM.

[The Doctor forever]

You know its a real shame that a writer on fanfiction Gravenimage stopped his work cause of the ending. read some of his works and damn they are good.

[Gravenimage]

You know its a real shame that a writer on fanfiction Gravenimage stopped his work cause of the ending. read some of his works and damn they are good.

 

Did someone spoke my name?

 

Oh that yeah sorry about that. But ever since the ending of the manga I have lost all inspiration to continue all of my Naruto stories. My favorite was" Legend of the Defiers" crossover with FFXIII. I even left a big cliffhanger. I haven't told anyone but I did started writing the next chapter but I failed badly. I only managed to write 250 words and that's pathetic compare to what I can currently write for a chapter. I can easily write over 3k words a day. 

 

But anyway I honestly don't know if I will ever get inspiration and my mojo going to continue all those stories sorry again.

 

Truth is, I hate Naruto I truly do. I just can't seem how am I going to resume working on stories of a series I have come to despise like a plague. 

Edited by Gravenimage, 17 February 2018 - 05:25 AM.

[Kagomaru]

 

Did someone spoke my name?

 

Oh that yeah sorry about that. But ever since the ending of the manga I have lost all inspiration to continue all of my Naruto stories. My favorite was" Legend of the Defiers" crossover with FFXIII. I even left a big cliffhanger. I haven't told anyone but I did started writing the next chapter but I failed badly. I only managed to write 250 words and that's pathetic compare to what I can currently write for a chapter. I can easily write over 3k words a day. 

 

But anyway I honestly don't know if I will ever get inspiration and my mojo going to continue all those stories sorry again.

 

Truth is, I hate Naruto I truly do. I just can't seem how am I going to resume working on stories of a series I have come to despise like a plague. 

I'm just grateful you haven't deleted them from your page.  They're fantastic stories for a NaruSaku-starved soul.

Edited by Kagomaru, 17 February 2018 - 06:32 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Did someone spoke my name?

 

Oh that yeah sorry about that. But ever since the ending of the manga I have lost all inspiration to continue all of my Naruto stories. My favorite was" Legend of the Defiers" crossover with FFXIII. I even left a big cliffhanger. I haven't told anyone but I did started writing the next chapter but I failed badly. I only managed to write 250 words and that's pathetic compare to what I can currently write for a chapter. I can easily write over 3k words a day. 

 

But anyway I honestly don't know if I will ever get inspiration and my mojo going to continue all those stories sorry again.

 

Truth is, I hate Naruto I truly do. I just can't seem how am I going to resume working on stories of a series I have come to despise like a plague. 

 

I know how you feel, even when my story is its own entity, I can't find myself able to fully write it, even as much as I loved the series before it went to the crapper, I just can't find the passion to write anymore, since deep down, I am afraid of being disappointed again by a series since I had it once before, but I got to move on, BUT with Naruto, it feels worse since it hurt the overall story what was done.

[The Doctor forever]

 

Did someone spoke my name?

 

Oh that yeah sorry about that. But ever since the ending of the manga I have lost all inspiration to continue all of my Naruto stories. My favorite was" Legend of the Defiers" crossover with FFXIII. I even left a big cliffhanger. I haven't told anyone but I did started writing the next chapter but I failed badly. I only managed to write 250 words and that's pathetic compare to what I can currently write for a chapter. I can easily write over 3k words a day. 

 

But anyway I honestly don't know if I will ever get inspiration and my mojo going to continue all those stories sorry again.

 

Truth is, I hate Naruto I truly do. I just can't seem how am I going to resume working on stories of a series I have come to despise like a plague. 

Ouch that sucks man, as I said they were all so damn good and its shame that the ending as done this to many NaruSaku writers, well to the NH fans I bet they jump for joy that many have stopped, trust me Evil100 still gets some trolls  saying he needs to die or more, I think its why he will not stop cause to him as he told me if we NS fans stop doing fics they NH and SS have really won.

[Phantom_999]

 

Did someone spoke my name?

 

Oh that yeah sorry about that. But ever since the ending of the manga I have lost all inspiration to continue all of my Naruto stories. My favorite was" Legend of the Defiers" crossover with FFXIII. I even left a big cliffhanger. I haven't told anyone but I did started writing the next chapter but I failed badly. I only managed to write 250 words and that's pathetic compare to what I can currently write for a chapter. I can easily write over 3k words a day. 

 

But anyway I honestly don't know if I will ever get inspiration and my mojo going to continue all those stories sorry again.

 

Truth is, I hate Naruto I truly do. I just can't seem how am I going to resume working on stories of a series I have come to despise like a plague. 

 

How about if you get to KILL OFF Hinata in the most brutal gory and merciless death possible......... Would that serve as motivation?  

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 February 2018 - 12:25 AM.

[Gravenimage]

 

How about if you get to KILL OFF Hinata in the most brutal gory and merciless death possible......... Would that serve as motivation?  

 

As much as I have come to hate Hinata. I don't simply have the guts to make it dark and kill her off just like that. For example in my" Am I worthy to love you" story I made her a heroine along with Sakura and Ino joining Naruto's team. But of course that was all BEFORE she became the cancer drug of the fandom and Pierot. Another reason why I can't continue the story sadly. 

Edited by Gravenimage, 18 February 2018 - 01:14 AM.

[DrK]

 

As much as I have come to hate Hinata. I don't simply have the guts to make it dark and kill her off just like that. For example in my" Am I worthy to love you" story I made her a heroine along with Sakura and Ino joining Naruto's team. But of course that was all BEFORE she became the cancer drug of the fandom and Pierot. Another reason why I can't continue the story sadly. 

The angst in that story was really entertaining. Like I recall that you had Sakura become so miserable, because she treated him much worse than she did in canon over the promise thing, so you had Kurama suggest that Naruto take advantage of her anguished guilt to have sex with her. I usually don't like stories where Sakura is made out to act worse than she does in canon for sympathy purposes, but that was just kittening hilarious.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 
As much as I have come to hate Hinata. I don't simply have the guts to make it dark and kill her off just like that. For example in my" Am I worthy to love you" story I made her a heroine along with Sakura and Ino joining Naruto's team. But of course that was all BEFORE she became the cancer drug of the fandom and Pierot. Another reason why I can't continue the story sadly. 

Lol yep just leave it to me to be the one that kills her off my friend. :) And trust me the deaths that I have planned for Hinata and how she is killed in many of my stories are sweet that you and anyone will love them.