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#2581 Don-kun

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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mostly important he changed me.
Minato changed her views about herself, this was the main reason why she fall in love with him

Naruto inspiring Sakura, to become a better person. --Click here to view--






Yes Minato influence Kushina and in some way she admitted that he change her, but that change you're talking about with Naruto and Sakura already happen, at this point all Sakura need to do is accept who she already is, learn to value herself more and stop thinking low of her self, that's not changing that's is appreciating who you are.
Change the way you see yourself is the most can be apply here.


Now back to reading James post reading.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

@James i think about Sakura.

"If Sasuke never existed, NaruSaku would have been canon a long time ago."
Well i have to disagree, because it's not Sasuke's love that makes NS impossible i think we all should already had recognized it, it makes harder but the difference is the whole NS buildup reminds of Mina/Kushi and i think you get it, see first Minato break down the walls by doing two things, receiving Kushina's acknowledgement and changing her i think you see that panel.

Naruto did only one thing that is "Sakura's full acknowledgement" part 1 and it achieved the highest level on her hug.
Which was romantic because of it.
It's enforced by her words at 573.

Then we go to Obito/Rin did rin acknowledge Obito as an amazing shinobi?
No, but looking at flashbacks she was acknowldging this, and still didnt change her, Obi/Rin lacked it, Obito didnt changed Rin.
But we didnt got panels to see how she thinks about herself but looking at her she had the same problems as Sakura.

And about Sasuke i always thought about "Sakura comes in terms with her feelings for Sasuke" but i never figured out how.
how she will do this, a talk with Sasuke will not clarify it, he already proved that he does not love her.

When i see Sakura and her feelings i can say, She have feelings for Naruto but it's not actually in love with him.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto inspiring Sakura, to become a better person. --Click here to view--






Yes Minato influence Kushina and in some way she admitted that he change her, but that change you're talking about with Naruto and Sakura already happen, at this point all Sakura need to do is accept who she already is, learn to value herself more and stop thinking low of her self, that's not changing that's is appreciating who you are.
Change the way you see yourself is the most can be apply here.


Now back to reading James post reading.

No, look at the panel i bought up.
sakura's thoughts --Click here to view--

"all i've ever done was always to rely on him and cry i was supposed to change that...i cant do anything i cant say anything."
we know that she did a lot more than that but still she sees like she's useless to Naruto.
It's sad.

@Don-kun i cant see your panels.
But i checked he just reinforce her will to protect both Naruto and Sakura ending on her acknowledment of Naruto.
She still said "i could not do anything" the same thing she said on the panel i bought up.
Sees like no matter how she change, how strong she become she didnt acknowledge it.

Basically you're saying that she become strong, and did a lot of stuff for him, i'm not denying it.
What i'm trying to say is that we readers know that she did way more stuff for Naruto but Sakura does not acknowledge it, i dont know why, why kishimoto cut all of those scenes, look at yamato, the bridge scene, chyio baa words to her, it's like it didnt had on effect on her.
It's like for some unknown reason it's waiting for Naruto to do this speech.

Then you look at Hinata, when Naruto said "dont look so down at yourself you're strong".
With that speech he didnt made hinata loves him, it made her stop looking like a weak.
It's basically the same thing(but way different at the same time) but with no romantic implications and look at what happened it leads to 573 and 615.

But the thing is with Sakura it will have romantic implications because Naruto loves her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 January 2013 - 02:00 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

^^

You finally get it, that is obvious since the Manga is about Naruto and he is her closes friend, haven you notice that the only two person that hasn't acknowledge her are Naruto and Sasuke and the only two person Naruto has not gain love and friendship are Sakura and Sasuke, this is the point of main character gating their final resolution in the end.



QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, look at the panel i bought up.
sakura's thoughts --Click here to view--

"all i've ever done was always to rely on him and cry i was supposed to change that...i cant do anything i cant say anything."
we know that she did a lot more than that but still she sees like she's useless to Naruto.
It's sad.

@Don-kun i cant see your panels.


Chapter 105 page 04/05
Chapter 236 page 16/17/18.

Take a minute or two before you reply, think about Sakura's words in that panel you linked, then ask yourself if Sakura need change or she need to accept that she isn't all those things she thinks she are for Naruto, this goes hand and hand with the fact that Naruto will help her appreciate herself more, view her self in a better manner.

Back to reading James post again, reading.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@James i think about Sakura.


Darkrerst....how do I say this politely? I don't want to discuss with you. You are so adamant about wanting to be right that instead of discussing you are forcing people to push to your way of thinking. I don't want to discuss with you because your posts take on a "serious business" kind of tone and in all honestly I am in much too good of mood to be in that kind of person today.

This is why I haven't responded to you before. Plus instead of doing what I call "Agree and disagree" you are adamant to point out any and all flaws and say "No, no, no, this is wrong."

Some things you have quoted me saying you have misinterpreted and thus I have come to the conclusion that maybe you have misinterpreted the manga itself and any facts you bring up. Though this varies to what you have said and what facts you bring up. Some stuff you have brought up eventually you say "couldn't happen" or "didn't happen" and yet they did anyway. You ask me these questions, I answer them and then you either ignore what I said entirely or go after a specific part to ask a hundred more questions. Eventually I got bored.

There is more to the manga than what is on the pages. There is more than what is written down and given Kishi's history anything could be anything. Yeah facts are facts, but facts can be changed with stories like this. You have to learn to accept this. Facts can be retconed (or is it retconned?) to better suit the story purposes.

We see this manga in very two different ways. You view it as very analytical while I see it very emotional. We are never going to agree on anything, this is why I stopped and just agreed to disagree with you.

I am not saying I am right or wrong. I am not saying you are right or wrong. I am just letting it go. I will enjoy the manga the way I want to enjoy it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chapter 105 page 04/05
Chapter 236 page 16/17/18.

Take a minute or two before you reply, think about Sakura's words in that panel you linked, then ask yourself if Sakura need change or she need to accept that she isn't all those things she thinks she are for Naruto, this goes hand and hand with the fact that Naruto will help her appreciate herself more, view her self in a better manner.

Back to reading James post again, reading.

Look, it didnt made any difference because in the end she still didnt acknowledge the things she did.
I read those panels, i know the context everything but it didnt change her view about herself.
Her last panel already proves that.
SHe said i cant do anything.
But she said she would help Naruto she would bring sasuke back with him but look at how this turned out.
This is the problem with Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 January 2013 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

Why is it that I always have to walk away when analyzing something with you?

Read what you posted.

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look, it didnt made any difference because in the end she still didnt acknowledge the things she did.
I read those panels, i know the context everything but it didnt change her view about herself.
Her last panel already proves that.
SHe said i cant do anything.
But she said she would help Naruto she would bring sasuke back with him but look at how this turned out.
This is the problem with Sakura.

Now read what I posted.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes Minato influence Kushina and in some way she admitted that he change her, but that change you're talking about with Naruto and Sakura already happen, at this point all Sakura need to do is accept who she already is, learn to value herself more and stop thinking low of her self, that's not changing that's is appreciating who you are.
Change the way you see yourself is the most can be apply here.


We are both saying the same thing but for some reason you still feel need to disagree.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 January 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are both saying the same thing but for some reason you still feel need to disagree.


Yeah, I feel the same way. I actually agree with some things Dark says, but still find him trying to fight me for top billing. I don't get it either.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Great posts from all of you guys. James, you do make a really good point. Funny, because that's my type of character I would write in my own story, which has been in my head in a long time. If I ever have the time, I would write one. I really like what you said and yeah, I do get that feeling from Naruto that he just couldn't accept time has moved on. I understand that the last time he remembers is that she loves Sasuke, but he should allow people to let him see the picture that he's avoiding. Perhaps "Next time, we will did together" got Sakura's attention because of that wall you speak of.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 5 2013, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I feel the same way. I actually agree with some things Dark says, but still find him trying to fight me for top billing. I don't get it either.


Hey that was a great post and I fully agree with the wall part, that is why I always stressing with the fact that Naruto and Sakura needs a real honest talk one where they don't hide anything from each other.

I don't know if you ever visit this user DA gallery, her name is Malversation or something like that, in DA her name is =amandas-sketches and she made a doujinshi name Wearing his Pain in this doujinshi she were also addressing some of the points you mention in your post.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 January 2013 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

Look i'll say this the last time i'm saying is "Sakura thoughts about herself" and for some reason you guys are saying other stuff, i said i agree with some things that you guys said but i disagree with Naruto really changed Sakura when it's not, he inspired her he give confidence about her but in the end she does nto acknowledge the things she did for him, this is the sad part.
Look at don-kun he bring up the Poal but if you see closely she says " i could do anything" it's proved that she grow up, she become stronger and etc, but in her head she does not feel this way, she does not think this way, is this that i'm talking about the whole time.

What i'm trying to say is that Naruto has to open her eyes and made her see that she become an amazing woman, with this she will fall in love with him, it will make her suffering stop, her love for Sasuke vanish.
The same thing that Minato did with Kushina.

PS: i didnt change the subject, this is what i'm talking about.

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Yes Minato influence Kushina and in some way she admitted that he change her, but that change you're talking about with Naruto and Sakura already happen, at this point all Sakura need to do is accept who she already is, learn to value herself more and stop thinking low of her self, that's not changing that's is appreciating who you are.
Change the way you see yourself is the most can be apply here.

Look you're talking about two different things, Naruto did change her, give her confidence and everything but the still he didnt change her completely this part that i bolded i quoted.
Sakura wont find this by herself, Naruto will do this, Naruto will make her value herself and accept that she's become a great woman that deserve a great man, this is the part that needs to change, a girl that thinks that she is useless to a girl that acknowledges herself as a great woman.
It's not appreciating because it did happened with Kushina and she acknowledge it as a change, and because of this that she fall in love with Minato.
It wanst his skill, his heroish stuff.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 January 2013 - 03:12 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey that was a great post and I fully agree with the wall part, that is why I always stressing with the fact that Naruto and Sakura needs a real honest talk one where they don't hide anything from each other.

I don't know if you ever visit this user DA gallery, her name is Malversation or something like that, in DA her name is =amandas-sketches and she made a doujin name Wearing his Pain in this doujing she made, she was also addressing some of the points you mention in your post.


No, I have not. I shall check it out. Perhaps it will be fun to see how much alike we think

That post took me an hour to write. oiy. Naruto and Sakura do need that talk and when that talk happens the pairings will be decided. Which is exactly why we know why it is saved for the end.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 5 2013, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't have the freedom to say.

All I can say is that she had made me smile in a way that I haven't done since 2011

I am about to go deep here. I have no real hard evidence to support my claim, but it is more like me reanalyzing Naruto.

I've meditated on this manga a lot; tried to get inside Naruto's head as a character and the psychological reasoning about him. Even though he is the product of a writer, I tried to imagine myself through him. If it were me in the same situation how would I behave? Most of the time I would have done exactly as he would. Other times I would do something completely different.

I even went back and read the manga in a different mind-set thinking and I find a lot of stuff to be different than I had originally thought. The facts change constantly and some might not be as true as some think. I then question the writer himself. Why did he do this, why didn't he do that? What is he trying to convey?

Naruto does sometimes act out of character and does things that normally he would not do. You all know these scenes and can feel it in the writing style. I don't need to explain them. I've always wondered why. So I dig deeper. Why? Is it Kishimoto's bad writing? Is it a mistake? It is rushed? Maybe it is everything. Maybe there is some underlying purpose. Theories abound yet nothing definitive.

So I go back to Naruto. Look at him as a character. As a person.

Naruto is not a perfect character. He has his flaws. He has his moments. He also has is own way of dealing with the truth or hiding away from pain and you wonder if he purposely pushes people away from him after a while. Sure, in the beginning he wanted attention, but now he just seems to push people away. He can't let people get inside his own heart and soul. He builds up defenses to his own heart because he afraid of not getting what he desires. Sometimes I even feel like he is afraid to be happy thinking he doesn't deserve it yet.

He may even build up walls. Walls that are meant to be broken down. Not an easy thing to do. Who can break down Naruto's walls? I took off my shipping glasses and really wanted to think about this. Sai? I find that friends, as much as they care, cannot break the walls. It's not their fault just how things are. Sasuke? I actually believe he is the one that made Naruto build the wall. Sure he gave him a rival and first to see him as equal, but Sasuke is cold and believes that emotion is a flaw that people can exploit. At least how I see it. Naruto sees that and sub-consciously builds a wall so he does not suffer the same fate. Sasuke loved his brother and trusted him. Itachi, for the reason we already know, had to betray that trust to keep him safe. Whether you like him or not, he had to do that to save his brother. Naruto understands this and he builds this wall around himself so he isn't corrupted the same way Sasuke is.

Pain, as demonstrated by many villains, have been the number one cause of these villains turning to the dark side of the force. It's also shown that many of the pain inducers were caused by people who the person trusted and loved. This is why Naruto distances himself from others. He doesn't really talk about himself does he? Sure he talks about his goals and his nindo and such, but he never really talked about himself. He didn't want them to see him as weak and take advantage of that. So again, he builds that wall. It doesn't change him, just makes him distant so he doesn't change.

Can Hinata break down the walls? Trying to be as none bias as I can be I'd say no simply because she enforces the behavior. She rather instead coddle to Naruto and tell him that she rather have him safe than push his luck. This doesn't encourage growth. This doesn't encourage him to push out of his shell and see the sun. She is not trying to keep him in there, but instead says "Take your time. I'll be here." She does make him realize what he is missing by letting out of his shell. This is still why he feels that everything relies on him. This is why he feels compelled to think that his problems are only his alone to bear. I have seen people say that 615 shows Hinata pushing Naruto out of the hopelessness, but it doesn't break own the wall. Like I said, the goals and nindo are the wall itself. Stuff he hides behind to mask what he really desires. Acceptance is a part of it, but it's funny how he thought being a Hokage would make everyone appreciate him. As we know leaders can be admired, but that doesn't mean they are loved. Some do it out of fear. I don't think Naruto realized this.

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Man your analysis is Awsome, I like the way you actually imagine yourself in narutos shoes, just comes to show how dedicated you are when your serious cool.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look i'll say this the last time i'm saying is "Sakura thoughts about herself" and for some reason you guys are saying other stuff, i said i agree with some things that you guys said but i disagree with Naruto really changed Sakura when it's not, he inspired her he give confidence about her but in the end she does nto acknowledge the things she did for him, this is the sad part.
Look at don-kun he bring up the Poal but if you see closely she says " i could do anything" it's proved that she grow up, she become stronger and etc, but in her head she does not feel this way, she does not think this way, is this that i'm talking about the whole time.

What i'm trying to say is that Naruto has to open her eyes and made her see that she become an amazing woman, with this she will fall in love with him, it will make her suffering stop, her love for Sasuke vanish.
The same thing that Minato did with Kushina.

PS: i didnt change the subject, this is what i'm talking about.

@don-kun

Look you're talking about two different things, Naruto did change her, give her confidence and everything but the still he didnt change her completely this part that i bolded i quoted.
Sakura wont find this by herself, Naruto will do this, Naruto will make her value herself and accept that she's become a great woman that deserve a great man, this is the part that needs to change, a girl that thinks that she is useless to a girl that acknowledges herself as a great woman.
It's not appreciating because it did happened with Kushina and she acknowledge it as a change, and because of this that she fall in love with Minato.
It wanst his skill, his heroish stuff.



Dude, I'm pretty sure a lot of people that you...have been debating with, have said the same things. One of the main reasons why we all love NS is that Naruto IS good for Sakura's confidence. He affects her in a positive way. I have no idea why you continue to debate when a lot of the things you say agree with what others have said. In fact, when I read your posts, I honestly have no idea why you're debating in the first place. Heck, James even said that Sakura has up and down moments, where she's in conflict with herself. Others have said that too. I don't even know where you got the idea that Naruto's changed Sakura's self-doubt about herself at this point in the story....

Also, Canadian DJ and darkerst, stop double-posting. It's against the rules.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 05 January 2013 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 4 2013, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uhm, guys, since we were talking about this, someone on Tumblr posted this



Is that true?

Wasn't that the interview that ended up having multiple translations that all said different things? There is this version of it, and then there's another version that says he's sick of people crying "Hinata, Hinata" all of the time, another reinforcing Sakura as the heroine... Which one is correct? Unless someone can get a hold of the RAW and asks someone that speaks Japanese but has never heard of Naruto before to translate, it's impossible to know. Fan translations, especially of interviews, are always off from what the dialogue originally said. That's why I don't follow them.

Besides, the manga speaks more to me than any interview will. smile.gif

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 5 2013, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Continue from my previous post. Before the crash.
http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=427518

I thought about Hinata’s confession and asked if this was breaking down the walls of his. If I really had to tell the truth, it would be no. It’s close, don’t get me wrong, but she didn’t push it. She didn’t push herself or explained herself and because of this it slipped Naruto’s mind. I am not talking about pushing as in trying to push herself into Naruto’s life like she has been. I mean pushing as in talking about it which again Naruto has not done and won’t do on his own merit because of those walls. Shame on Naruto, yes, but Naruto’s feelings for Sakura also plays a part in it. If Hinata talked to Naruto about the confession, then I would say that NaruHina would get a real growth in chance. Still not a guarantee it would happen, but it would give Naruto something to think about. The last thing he would need is to find the answers first to the questions he is asking. This did not happen though and that’s why the confession was never again brought up.

So we come to the all important question: Can Sakura break down the walls? Again, in a non-bias view…Yes. The advantage that Sakura has is she has seen Naruto at his weakest and at his strongest and, thanks to Sai, she sort of knows what lies behind the wall. She is still in the dark about a few things, but she is a lot closer to seeing who Naruto really is than Hinata or Sai. Sai only knows half the information and while he has figured out what make Naruto tick, he has not seen Naruto without the walls given that he has no idea about Sasuke and his role.

The all important Sakura confession: I have covered this before, but now I am going to look at this from a different angle. With Hinata’s confession we have no conversation. With this one, they had a bad argument that nearly drove them apart. You know why? I do. Could it be that Sakura put a crack in Naruto’s wall? I think so. Still not broken down, but it did crack it to make Naruto see a truth through the hole. Kishimoto said in an interview that Sakura was being a truthful, but stubborn woman. That is why she can break down his walls because she refuses to give in and let him hide. She doesn’t want him to hide. She doesn’t want him to be afraid of his feelings. She doesn’t want him to hide behind the wall like Sasuke did otherwise Naruto might one day be just like him.

Sakura does have her own problems to work out, but I’ve already covered this. Instead I am looked at the mere fact that this fight took place. No relationship is perfect. I like Maroon 5’s song “She will be loved” and why I like this song as a NS theme song. In the song there is a line “It’s not always rainbows and butterflies, its compromise that moves us along.” It means we may fight from time to time, but that’s how we communicate. That’s how we convey what we want and want we feel. Compromising is what they do afterwards to end the fights.

Naruto then said she was lying to herself. I think I have another reason why he said this. It goes along with how Naruto still thinks Sakura loves Sasuke. The walls of his own insecurities are what push Sakura away. Sakura fought back with him claiming that he doesn’t understand. He doesn’t realize. I wonder is this here more or less saying “If you don’t come out of your shell and admit what you feel, then you are going to miss out on the things that make you happy.” Sakura even asked Naruto “If you don’t like me, then tell me.” Paraphrase of course and I realized Naruto didn’t answer this with a straight answer. If he didn’t love her, why not just tell her there? Boom, Over, Done, but he didn’t. Instead he tells her about Sasuke and that he understands him; hiding behind the wall. Naruto doesn’t disagree with Sasuke does he? Not really. More like he understands why he did it.

Sasuke is both the thing that ties Naruto and Sakura together and keeps them apart; Sakura with her emotions about Sasuke and Naruto with his feelings on Sasuke. Sakura is trying to come to terms with her own conflictions, but overall she rather stay with Naruto. Even in her last thought “No matter what, we will be together.” She is pushing Naruto to open his shell and to tear down the walls to see the truth of it. Hinata just cannot do this. She cannot get to Naruto because she has no clue how to reach Naruto on that level. Sakura can. This is why Sakura is going to be the heroine. She is not saving Naruto from Sasuke or Obito. She is going to save Naruto from himself. With that being said, I strongly believe that Naruto is more insecure than Sakura is. Naruto doesn’t believe he can win in the end and is not strong enough to do so.
The mere idea of this has caused me to see this manga in a different way or at least have one more view of it. We like to see this manga from a different angle. Then try this one. At least for fun, try it.
Now there is one last topic I wish to convey and I feel it needs to be elaborated on. That is “MinatoxKushina = NarutoxSakura.”
The parallels are there, but there are a few things that make them different. I first want to talk about Naruto to this. Naruto is said to have his father’s look, but his mother’s personality. Kushina was insecure about herself and she also built up walls. Minato broke them down. One thing that differs is that while Naruto and Kushina both was host, Kushina did not have the horrible life Naruto had growing up. Sure, they picked on Kushina, but she wasn’t hated by the adults as Naruto was and neglected. In fact, her flashbacks seem to tell a different story where she was well liked when she grew up. No one knew she was the host and it made it a lot easier for her to fit in. Naruto on the other hand it was a different story.

Minato, if the flashbacks are anything to go by, wasn’t picked on or hated either. So again, they had an easier childhood to deal with because they were not seen as true outcasts. I know someone will argue about this with Kushina, but children picking on each other are something that happens to everyone. It has happened to me, but I was not an outcast. I also don’t recall Minato having other crushes after him, but that is not to say he didn’t have any. Imagine if Kishi did a true Minato Gaiden and there is a Hinat like character that had a crush on Minato? (I smell fanfiction.)
Fast forward to Naruto and Sakura and their childhoods were different. Naruto was seen as an outcast and Sakura was picked on for her forehead. (However, the outcast stuff seems to only build the walls, not affect why Naruto and Sakura are not together.) Unlike Kushina, Sakura had a crush on someone else, but they did see the Naruto/Minato the same way: as a goof ball. Minato proved he cared about her by complimenting on her hair and saving her, that’s when she first had feelings for him. Naruto has saved Sakura many times and has complimented on Sakura’s forehead. The difference is Naruto was posed as Sasuke.
Funny how the one thing that keeps Naruto and Sakura a part is Sasuke: an element that MinatoxKushina did not have to face as far as it has been told. This major difference is the reason why it has not been as easy for NaruSaku to happen as it was MinatoxKushina. So what needs to happen is that Sasuke needs to be dealt with.

This is another reason why NaruSaku is canon in my eyes. If Sasuke never existed, NaruSaku would have been canon a long time ago. Just think about this. How easy would it have been for Sakura to notice Naruto if Sasuke never existed? Sasuke is a rival bear in mind and rivals are not just in rivals of power and accomplishments. Sometimes they could be rivals in love. We also know that Sasuke was put in because one of Kishi’s editors suggested it. So he was not part of the original plan and Hinata was just a village girl. So, why the changes? It makes the story more interesting.

That’s all. Sorry I don’t have anything to put down to be more inspiring, but this is me looking at the manga in a different view.

I was blindfolded, but now I'm seeing
My mind was closing, now I'm believing
I finally know just what it means to let someone in
To see the side of me that no one does or ever will
So if you're ever lost and find yourself all alone
I'd search forever just to bring you home,
Here and now this I vow.


God, James, you blew my mind! O_O
My deepest congrats, really!

And not to be in between or anything, but I do agree on the fact that Sakura still thinks down of herself. And 540 proved that.
But maybe, the "we will be together" thing, will change that view of her.

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#2597 shadow_Uzumaki

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 5 2013, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasn't that the interview that ended up having multiple translations that all said different things? There is this version of it, and then there's another version that says he's sick of people crying "Hinata, Hinata" all of the time, another reinforcing Sakura as the heroine... Which one is correct? Unless someone can get a hold of the RAW and asks someone that speaks Japanese but has never heard of Naruto before to translate, it's impossible to know. Fan translations, especially of interviews, are always off from what the dialogue originally said. That's why I don't follow them.

Besides, the manga speaks more to me than any interview will. smile.gif



That's the main reasons why I always try to find an unbiased translation. It's also why I usually take these fanlation-posted manga online with some apprehension. I read them so I know what's happened, but I always have to doubt whether their translations match up with the official text or not.

I've heard that some sites changed some of the dialogue at the end of this chapter because of the controversy regarding what Naruto said to Hinata, so yeah...

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HOLY HOLY MACRONII James t-t-that post!!!! its AWSOME, man I know your capable of golden posts but GEEZ I did not expect something like this full of so much WINNN!!!!! cool.gif I agree with everything you said and I stand by your belief!! powerglomp.gif

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 5 2013, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dude, I'm pretty sure a lot of people that you...have been debating with, have said the same things. One of the main reasons why we all love NS is that Naruto IS good for Sakura's confidence. He affects her in a positive way. I have no idea why you continue to debate when a lot of the things you say agree with what others have said. In fact, when I read your posts, I honestly have no idea why you're debating in the first place. Heck, James even said that Sakura has up and down moments, where she's in conflict with herself. Others have said that too. I don't even know where you got the idea that Naruto's changed Sakura's self-doubt about herself at this point in the story....

Also, Canadian DJ and darkerst, stop double-posting. It's against the rules.

He didnt changed it, but Sakura has self doubts about herself and i think he will change that.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 5 2013, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasn't that the interview that ended up having multiple translations that all said different things? There is this version of it, and then there's another version that says he's sick of people crying "Hinata, Hinata" all of the time, another reinforcing Sakura as the heroine... Which one is correct? Unless someone can get a hold of the RAW and asks someone that speaks Japanese but has never heard of Naruto before to translate, it's impossible to know. Fan translations, especially of interviews, are always off from what the dialogue originally said. That's why I don't follow them.

Besides, the manga speaks more to me than any interview will. smile.gif


Men seen you post reminded what the NH fans did with your 615 review in NF, the amt of wall text to disagree with someone else review was astonishing, I mean why bother, are they so insecure that they have the need to reinforce their belief, why be that way if they feel that NH is already canon. facepalm.png

By the way is OK if I call you Slex? Since I took it as an habit but never ask you if you were OK with it.

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