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[Lazy-Genius]

This arc will involve Team Kakashi, and perhaps Team Asuma and their parents vs Danzou and Root. I'm expecting Yamato and Sai to also play roles. The Cloud ninja will likely get mixed up in it too, and Sasuke will come into the mix too, at some point.

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This just came to me; was Hinata the first person to say "I love you" to Naruto?

[RyrineaHaruno]

Hinata's confession plays the same role Lee's confession did. Kishimoto paralleled it all along, and look who he places right below the Sakura embracing Naruto scene, with the same panel prominence- Hinata and Lee.

That is exactly what I think too that it nothing more than a plot device to make him go Six tails.

[Sakura Blossoms]

It's basically making light of the whole love confession trope. Kishimoto has shown multiple times in his manga that confession=doom. No couple that actually got together in the manga had a confession scene.

Hinata's confession plays the same role Lee's confession did. Kishimoto paralleled it all along, and look who he places right below the Sakura embracing Naruto scene, with the same panel prominence- Hinata and Lee.

I think both were plot devices too. Lee getting hurt protecting Sakura in the Forest of Death was the final straw that made her get up and fight with anger and fierce determination. Hinata getting hurt was the final straw that made Naruto lose control and go 6 tails. In Sakura's case it was a positive plot device, a final push to start the fire that she fights with in part 2. In Naruto's it was a negative, but ultimately necessary hurdle he had to get over to have that conversation with his father and have his father save him. Minato was who got Naruto out of the despair of letting the Kyuubi take over and get back in control to be able to defeat Pain.

Quoted for absolute truth!

[Dreamer]

It's basically making light of the whole love confession trope. Kishimoto has shown multiple times in his manga that confession=doom. No couple that actually got together in the manga had a confession scene.

Hinata's confession plays the same role Lee's confession did. Kishimoto paralleled it all along, and look who he places right below the Sakura embracing Naruto scene, with the same panel prominence- Hinata and Lee.

I think both were plot devices too. Lee getting hurt protecting Sakura in the Forest of Death was the final straw that made her get up and fight with anger and fierce determination. Hinata getting hurt was the final straw that made Naruto lose control and go 6 tails. In Sakura's case it was a positive plot device, a final push to start the fire that she fights with in part 2. In Naruto's it was a negative, but ultimately necessary hurdle he had to get over to have that conversation with his father and have his father save him. Minato was who got Naruto out of the despair of letting the Kyuubi take over and get back in control to be able to defeat Pain.

Hinata's genuine smile at Sakura's embrace of Naruto was likely Kishimoto letting the readers know that Hinata is content, she didn't need Naruto to love her back, just as Lee didn't need Sakura to love him back. I think that's going to be it. Hinata will fade back into the background.

This arc will involve Team Kakashi, and perhaps Team Asuma and their parents vs Danzou and Root. I'm expecting Yamato and Sai to also play roles. The Cloud ninja will likely get mixed up in it too, and Sasuke will come into the mix too, at some point.

Are you a fortune teller?
You were able to unlock the mysteries of kishi's mind , I back your prediction up 100%.

[Freakazoid]

WHOO! That was a NaruSaku confidence booster right there! Nice post.

[Nate River]

If you're talking about Hinata's confession, well... you had seen our side's reactions about that scene . But then again, as I said before in another thread, it may be picked up for Naruto's reaction of the confession or will become null and void to be toss aside so that the confession is just as many said, a plot device to have Naruto transformed to Kyuubi once more. Depends if Kishimoto wants to tackle the issue for NH fans to get more "evidence".

You know what, if we keep this up and this thread will definitely be in the Museum, first page. I have to contact Smiter.

I have seen it and that's my point. It's one thing to take on their interpretations on the merits and disagree with them (which I do), but it's another to scoff and criticize them solely for their inability to "accept" it as an obvious Naruto/Sakura hint that proves one thing or another when a sizeable chunk of this fandom wasn't able to do the same with 437.

I understand fandoms, especially pairing fandoms, are quirky, but I have limited patience when fandoms get into pissing matches with each other about behavior they all constantly engage in. The reason I thought the debate that raged over NF about who's fandom had the most or worst tards was one of the dumbest debates I've ever witnessed is because (1) all of them were full of tards that did the things each accused each other of and (2) the answer was obvious before even one person spoke a word. It was always, without fail, somebody else.

Of course they aren't going to see it the way we do. Even if they had wild sex on screen, they'd say it's loveless or that its Kishi is pulling a Rowling, just like we would if NaruHina happened. Harry Potter and Avatar are modern exhibits #1 and #2 that even outright declarations don't end these things. Many people still won't accept it.

It's pairings. It's inevitable.

No and I don't get why. Everyone just... over-reacted. Despite the fact that we all knew it was coming and discussed as such. I don't have a lot of faith in Kishi anymore, but I knew he wasn't just going to toss everything aside to go with a pairing he never even gave thought to developing.

That's the one iffy thing about shipping; sometimes sense and rationality goes out the window at the first sign of "trouble".

Sometimes?

I don't have any. Hinata's revival killed it. Nagato's mass resurrection buried it six feet under.

And chapters like this is what makes it so frustrating. I thought this arc was bad, but I loved this chapter and not just for the NaruSaku.

[Cloud]

I heard party when NaruSaku comes true.

I bring the booze and the broads. There will be an 18+ section, please show IDs to True, Nate or Shauna. Otherwise you will be denied entry. D:<

And yes Shauna, H/Hr FTW.

[Pite]

I think we're getting a little bit too crazy about that gesture. I mean we gotta not get ou hopes high so we won't be dissappointed in the long-run. I say, we should cool down our horses till something more tangible, like a 296-style thing emerges on the surface of this manga.

Cloud I just turned 18 so, who ho!

Edited by Pite, 08 June 2009 - 02:25 AM.

[Tahaji]

I think we're getting a little bit too crazy about that gesture. I mean we gotta not get ou hopes high so we won't be dissappointed in the long-run. I say, we should cool down our horses till something more tangible, like a 296-style thing emerges on the surface of this manga.

Cloud I just turned 18 so, who ho!

Quoted for truth

Im not familiar with the customs, but Im not getting over the top excited about this hug. As much as I LOVED IT, I dont think Kishi will leave Hinata to just fade away. She still makes up alot of his fanbase.

[dl316bh]

Even if they had wild sex on screen, they'd say it's loveless or that its Kishi is pulling a Rowling, just like we would if NaruHina happened.

The funny thing is that NaruHina being canon WOULD be a Rowling whereas NaruSaku definitely isn't. But of course, a lot of shippers can't handle truth like that. They always pull out the "that's your opinion" crap as though fact and truth do not exist and everything is subjective.

Sometimes?

I'm trying to be nice in my wording, my friend. XD

I don't have any. Hinata's revival killed it. Nagato's mass resurrection buried it six feet under.

Mines about gone too for the same reasons. Eventually, you can't keep fooling yourself.

And chapters like this is what makes it so frustrating. I thought this arc was bad, but I loved this chapter and not just for the NaruSaku.

Mmm, the flashes of brilliance always make everything else harder to swallow. It's like getting a cup of water after a trudge through the desert only for you to be thrust back into the desert. I'm trying to accept that the days of brilliance in the manga's storytelling are behind it and just accepting it as it is.

I bring the booze and the broads. There will be an 18+ section, please show IDs to True, Nate or Shauna. Otherwise you will be denied entry. D:<

Broads you say? I'm there; make sure you bring rock music. You can keep the booze though; I hate the stuff.

I dont think Kishi will leave Hinata to just fade away. She still makes up alot of his fanbase.

That's never meant anything before; I doubt it will start now.

Edited by dl316bh, 08 June 2009 - 02:49 AM.

[Verilance]

Quoted for truth

Im not familiar with the customs, but Im not getting over the top excited about this hug. As much as I LOVED IT, I dont think Kishi will leave Hinata to just fade away. She still makes up alot of his fanbase.

A fanbase so powerful in his mind it allows him to ignore her for a hundred chapters or so

I don't see him changing his story for anyone (including us)

[RyrineaHaruno]

Quoted for truth

Im not familiar with the customs, but Im not getting over the top excited about this hug. As much as I LOVED IT, I dont think Kishi will leave Hinata to just fade away. She still makes up alot of his fanbase.

That never matter before so why start know.


Oh I agree dl316bh that if Naruto x Hinata wear to happen that would be a Rowling. Naruto x Sakura would never be a Rowling but fandoms of different paring will never believe stuff like that. I doubt he will go the route of Hinata getting Naruto. She was a character added at the last minute because the publishers wonted Naruto to have classmates. He also had to add Sasuke in because they said that he need a rival.

I heard party when NaruSaku comes true.

I bring the booze and the broads. There will be an 18+ section, please show IDs to True, Nate or Shauna. Otherwise you will be denied entry. D:<

I'll come too woo party lol I am 20 WHOO!

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 08 June 2009 - 03:08 AM.

[ciardha]

[b]

Are you a fortune teller?
You were able to unlock the mysteries of kishi's mind , I back your prediction up 100%.

Heh, I can't swear to it 100% but I looked at Kishimoto's patterns, and I've also been reading manga for 29 years so it's almost instinctive by now to guess correctly at ships. I'm quite confident that I'm reading ships correctly, and some other plot points too- I knew that Nagato and Konan would be won over by Naruto, and that Nagato would do something positive that would kill him, and Konan would take Nagato and Yahiko's bodies home, leave the Akatsuki and go back to Rain to become Kage and be Naruto's ally. I'm confident of two things Naruto will become Hokage and he and Sakura will end up together.

[Daniee]

Since Kishimoto actually wrote one scene where she confessed, I suppose sooner or later he'll write one confrontation between Naruto and Hinata.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't. Or at least not anytime soon. Like ciardha, I feel like Hinata is going to fade into the background after this chapter. She probably won't talk to Naruto because she seems to have accepted that he won't return her feelings, and Naruto won't go talk to her because he has way more important things going on. There was even a time lapse after he returned where he had a chance to talk to her but didn't. I could be wrong, but right now I just don't see Kishimoto wasting pages when the two don't even have to talk to each other to resolve the issue.

Another thing about this chapter that I liked and I don't think has been mentioned yet is Naruto's reaction to the mass greeting. I think it showed some maturity, as younger Naruto would have loved all that attention, but here he's clearly a little overwhelmed, with his whole "Hey, how about some space?!" reaction. He did the right thing not expecting to be so revered for it. (When being acknowledged was previously his main drive)

Edited by Daniee, 08 June 2009 - 03:02 AM.

[Tahaji]

Because It does matter, Even if its that popular, its still impacted (if not by a tiny bit) by the fans that read it.

NaruHina were throwing an 'Its Canon' party just a few chapters ago. The balls in Kishi court and he can take about 100 different routes with it.

Back to the topic at hand...

[RyrineaHaruno]

Because It does matter, Even if its that popular, its still impacted (if not by a tiny bit) by the fans that read it.

NaruHina were throwing an 'Its Canon' party just a few chapters ago. The balls in Kishi court and he can take about 100 different routes with it.

Back to the topic at hand...

He had his chance when they where split up and he blew it. I DOUBT he will do anything with Hinata feelings. He did the same to lee and Ino.

[dl316bh]

Because It does matter, Even if its that popular, its still impacted (if not by a tiny bit) by the fans that read it.

If it mattered, several popular characters wouldn't disappear for unbelievably long periods of time. Hinata is a very popular character for some strange reason without a doubt. That's nothing new either; she has been despite almost never appearing for most of the mangas life. It's never meant anything before. If how popular she is influenced things or mattered to how things played out, she wouldn't have just disappeared for about a hundred chapters at a time. Or she would have had more than one major moment in the four hundred some chapters of the manga.

She's popular, yes; thankfully, that has no bearing on the story and obviously no bearing on how it will play out. If it did matter, we'd have seen something by now. You're placing too much stock in her popularity with fans when what's popular with fans and what isn't has never had any bearing on the story before.

NaruHina were throwing an 'Its Canon' party just a few chapters ago.

What they were doing chapters ago means little to me, to be honest. I knew they would do that and I knew they were fooling themselves from the start. Doesn't bother me. Not worth the time or energy to waste on them and their fantasies.

I doubt it means much to Kishi either; he's got to be way too busy to care what fandoms sprung from his work are doing at any given time and that includes us. Also, while I have little faith in his ability to keep stellar quality in the writing anymore, I don't quite doubt his integrity. The last thing I see him doing is changing what he wants to do just because someone or something is popular; to be honest, if more writers refused to bow to fan pressures the literary world would be a better place.

Edited by dl316bh, 08 June 2009 - 03:39 AM.

[ciardha]

If it mattered, several popular characters wouldn't disappear for unbelievably long periods of time. Hinata is a very popular character for some strange reason without a doubt. That's nothing new either; she has been despite almost never appearing for most of the mangas life. It's never meant anything before. If how popular she is influenced things or mattered to how things played out, she wouldn't have just disappeared for about a hundred chapters at a time. Or she would have had more than one major moment in the four hundred some chapters of the manga.

She's popular, yes; thankfully, that has no bearing on the story and obviously no bearing on how it will play out. If it did matter, we'd have seen something by now. You're placing too much stock in her popularity with fans when what's popular with fans and what isn't has never had any bearing on the story before.


What they were doing chapters ago means little to me, to be honest. I knew they would do that and I knew they were fooling themselves from the start. Doesn't bother me. Not worth the time or energy to waste on them and their fantasies.

I doubt it means much to Kishi either; he's got to be way too busy to care what fandoms sprung from his work are doing at any given time and that includes us. Also, while I have little faith in his ability to keep stellar quality in the writing anymore, I don't quite doubt his integrity. The last thing I see him doing is changing what he wants to do just because someone or something is popular; to be honest, if more writers refused to bow to fan pressures the literary world would be a better place.

Yes, Kishimoto had the ending planned out when he was writing chapter 1. That's why that illustration at the beginning of chapter 1 has signifigance, he telegraphs in that 1 illustration who are the most important people and what they will mean to each other.

And a point about Hinata's popularity- she's nowhere near as popular as Sakura in Japan amongst the fans, never has been. Hinata's big popularity is in the west. Kishimoto doesn't know anything about western fandom- Shonen Jump staff had to inform him at the Jump Festa 2008 how popular Naruto was in the west. Kishimoto knows how the Japanese fans feel about characters. Naruhina is not that popular amongst Japanese fans. Heh, due to the large percentage of female readers, various yaoi pairings are the most popular, #1 being KakashixIruka. Sasusaku used to be the most popular amongst the Team 7 hetro pairings but since part 2 it's fallen in popularity and narusaku has risen to the point they are nearly equal, naruhina hasn't become any more popular.

Kishimoto doesn't pay any attention to fandom shipping amongst his readers. He had the end plotted out before the first chapter even hit the stands.

[dl316bh]

Huh. I knew Hinata's popularity was over here for the most part. Didn't have a clue Kishi was relatively unaware Naruto was popular over here though.

Edited by dl316bh, 08 June 2009 - 04:26 AM.

[Verilance]

I have to do a mini rant here...

As someone who has read and enjoyed the Harry Potter series countless times with my son I really hate the phrase "Do a Rowling"

After reading "Harry Potter and The Philosophers Stone" years ago I believed in two things...

Snape loved Harry's mum..

Ron and Hermione would end up together....

Just because you guys didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there because I did

back to the matter at hand

I am getting tired of the whole back and forth that has been going on at other forums and have decided not to waste my time arguing anymore. It is only a manga but people seem to take it so seriously. Whether or not Naruto ends up with the girl of his dreams won't affect my life in the slightest I will still have enjoyed a really good story...

I love this chapter because Naruto achieves a desire stated in chapter 1. All the people in Konoha acknowledge him and praise him exactly the opposite of how he was treated as a child.