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[Otaru]

keeping Naruto like himself would mean that he would have to be going all out to go rescue his Sakura-Chan. Kishi can't have that. (Yet) lol.

 

Yeah I know. Thought about it too... I swear if it's Naruto who find Sakura...

Edited by Otaru, 11 June 2015 - 10:32 PM.

[AHK]

Yeah I know. Thought about it too... I swear if it's Naruto who find Sakura...

It's not going to mean anything if Naruto is the one that finds her. They're not friends, Sakura already demonstrated that she doesn't care about him. I would rather them not be in the same room together, as it will only further damage their fractured friendship if it can even be called that.

[Ginzy]

Wow if this is true then Sakura has hit a new low. She wasted all of her youth to take care of a child that isn't hers? What about Karin, if she is alive then why wouldn't she want to take care of Salad? Especially considering the fact that she was so desperate to have sex with Sasugay(she probly begged him lol)

[soraandven]

if naruto risked his life to save sakura it would feel like old times but it wouldn't matter cuz kishi being the sexist bastard that he is destroyed their bond for some pathetic hopeless romantic that can't even stand up to her own cousin without getting a pep talk first its truly pathetic at how many people support those types of characters as role models when their really not an example of a good female lead would be this character https://youtu.be/Q8RBRF0eZ3M

[MolinMondo]

So, after my long absense away from the Naruto franchise, I discover after reading this thread that this new 'story' is so laughably bad that it makes me so glad I ditched anything to do Kishimoto.

 

Even more character assassination? And poor, poor Sakura, shes a complete trainwreck of a character now, as well as Naruto turning into a really pathetic character as well by the sounds of it. The plot of this story sounds like something I've seen on Jeremy Kyle, this is hilarious.

 

I have absolutely no care about reading this manga, but after the comments in here I actually laughed out loud at how terrible the Naruto franchise has become, and I say franchise because its nothing more than a grab for cash at this point.

 

Poor Naruto, poor Sakura.

[Catra]

OK. My opinion is that DNA testing is a red herring. Definitely. The answer is in the DNA sample.

 

Suigetsu is not sure it's from Karin's birth so...
Seems to be an umbilical cord still. So... from who ?
At first I thought it was from Sakura because it would be perfect to prove she's the mother undoubtedly... but... why would Karin have this... ?

That perfect match is weird. Perfect match is not possible unless with yourself (or a clone...) right ? Does Kishimoto even knows that ? Did he want to simplify everything for his young readers ?

So what ? All that kittening story about clones... is that umbilical cord Sarada's ? Why is it in Karin's desk ? Is Sarada a clone ? A clone from who ? Why all that philosophical discussion about parenting, genes passing and all ? Is Sarada an experiment ? Did they want to create the perfect ninja with Uzumaki and Uchiha DNA ? Ugh my head....

The question is : why the kitten is there a DNA testing in that gaiden ? Why ? Well because nobody believes that Salara is Sakura's child. So let's do a DNA testing because it's not questionable right ? So... will that DNA sample be from Sakura ? Does Kishimoto read the forums ? I mean it's so deeply unbelievable those theories were CRAZY but still we find it in the canon manga a short time after some fans wrote it in forums. How is that even possible ? Did fans in Japan made a fuss about it that much ? To me it's a proof that Kishimoto is writing whatever and that he never predicted to write all this kitten.

Still... all this is just horrible and I don't really care who the kitten the mother is.
 

It's hurting me deeply to see fans here pushed to a point for them to write "Naruto is a piece of trash".
Really.
It's hurting me.

Naruto is not that.
This is not him. He's not like himself at all.

Everything is destroyed. The real story was wrapped too quickly in the end, and the end is not satisfying at all. And then, we're forced in that gaiden and we're not interested in these stories because we wanted the original story to be wrapped with care and time. Kishimoto said he wanted to finish everything, and to me he didn't succeed at all. And now that gaiden... that brings MORE drama were the original drama hasn't got proper answers... it's deeply unsatisfying because the characters don't have fulfilled lives.
 

That plot is so empty it's still telling me that Kishimoto is writing whatever comes to his head. He never wanted to write all this time about Naruto. He wanted to end it sooner. He probably wanted to end it with Pain arc.

What I don't know, is the reason why he's writing all those horrible things.
Is this because he believes this is good ?
Is this because he wants to destroy it all ?
Is this because he wants to tell us some message ?
Was he forced to write about this ?

I still strongly think that NEVER THE KITTEN he wanted to write those stories. IMO he wanted to give Naruto the Hokage title, Sakura the girl of his dream, and a child and that's it. Neji was supposed to be the heir or Hyuuga clan, Sasuke was supposed to live in Konoha trying to repair his sins, Tsunade was supposed to give Naruto the Hokage title, the bijuus were supposed to be freed. Why is Kurama still in Naruto's womb ? Were are the other Bijuus ? It was supposed to be a HAPPY END WITH NARUTO'S DREAMS FULFILLED. It was foreshadowed enough. And we're forced into this... and we even never saw Naruto BECOMING Hokage... ugh...
 

i actually just woke up to a dream involving kings, fuhrers, kaisers, emperors, and emperor kuzco's ceremony XD really the last should have been about naruto learning to and becoming a hokage. but since kishi can't properly develop or if he tried it be unconvincing as heck so what easier way than to time skip?

[Strangelove]

Oh my god why is this happening to characters I love?

 

Listen, I know I made a thread that was 'blaming Sakura' when I was frustrated at fans making her out to be a horrible person for the crime of being with Sasuke, but I think we should all agree that everyone is coming into this story from a messed-up and contrived position. Sasuke and Sakura are both referring to each other as spouses, and Sarada as their daughter. They're avoiding the reality of their situation. Naruto who should really be more in the loop has failed to do something as simple as 'remember' that Sarada wouldn't know about her father. Sakura had the opportunity to speak to Sarada truthfully but yes, she chose to address it by recklessly destroying her own home (because we needed to find that photo of course!) and living some sort of a lie.

 

There is a big plot hole being dug and we're still waiting for the answer; whyyyyy? Why are they hiding this information? Why are they avoiding the topic? Why the rift between friends? It goes beyond plausibility. All these little complications coming together means that Kishimoto needs a big explanation for them and why the characters feel justified in their decisions. All the 'red herrings' if they are in fact that being built around Karin being Sarada's mother means that again, we need a big, contrived reason for why all the 'evidence' is false and how Sakura maintains she's still the biological mother... 

 

In either scenario; Sakura being the mother and Sakura not, her behaviour suggests that she at least thinks of herself as one. Yes, her raising Sarada does make her a mother and unless she was absolutely horrible, Sarada's reaction (granted in the heat of the moment) is really callous. Finding out your mother is blatantly lying is difficult; but she's saying "why would she help" this woman who is currently in the hands of the enemy. Karin may be your mom (if this story is to make any shred of sense) but you don't know her. You do however know, and if you're anything worth it as a character, love the woman you're refusing to help. 

I wasn't annoyed as some of you by Naruto's reaction, though he should have approached Sarada with far more kindness, but maybe it's the urgency of the situation--Sakura is still being held in the hands of the enemy. It's Naruto's attitude and policy with Orochimaru I take fault with--and he is being fair in reacting about Sasuke's potential infidelity. It tells me that he didn't know the truth about Sarada, which means this seems to be entirely the couple's secret.

 

It would make a lot more sense to me if Sasuke had Sakura under a genjustu, as horrible as that is--because that might explain her shifty behaviour and inability to properly answer questions... and even though she's supposed to be great at them, it's still the sharingan. Then again, would it last twelve years? I don't know that it's possible. Likelier, there's something about Sarada (probably being the special snowflake Uchiha-Uzumaki mix) that puts her in danger so they don't want it public knowledge that Karin is the mother. Maybe there's some sort of prophecy involved with her--I don't know, but if Sarada's life would potentially be in danger then it could justify an absolute avoidance... but then why wouldn't Naruto know about it either?

 

It is so difficult to try and come up with reasons, and if there's anything I want is that in the end, this dumb marriage between Sasuke and Sakura is over. I don't need her ending up with Naruto, I just hate seeing this facade of a relationship continue. Sakura's biggest flaws revolve around Sasuke. Maybe when this is resolved Naruto can realize the heavy burdens she's been under and they can work on being better people and friends together. Just not... this.

 

You want to know why...why this rift among friends, why this sad story with Sarada...you really want to know why.

 

Is because of Princess Hinata, she took Toneri's eyes, and trapped everyone in an IT.

[Nostradamus]

 

You want to know why...why this rift among friends, why this sad story with Sarada...you really want to know why.

 

Is because of Princess Hinata, she took Toneri's eyes, and trapped everyone in an IT.

If she can't be happy then no one will. All must suffer. Muhahaha.

[Olaya]

I find some interesting informations and I would like to share it with you :

Conserving the Umbilical Cord :

"HESONO-O: This is a ritual involving the baby's umbilical cord. When the baby's cord dries and falls off, it was put inside a special wooden box and kept indefinately. This signified a well WISH for the MOTHER-CHILD RELATIONSHIP in the future."


"Hospitals in Japan tend to save the umbilical cords after births. They carefully package the cords inside wooden boxes and present them to the proud mothers upon their departure from the hospital. Japanese MOTHERS typically CHERISH the umbilical cords, allowing the child to look at it when they're older. These cords are thought to have a STRONG LINK to the well-being of the babies, which is why Japanese PARENTS look after them so well."






So I guess long ago before the child got the DNA thing, it was the only material evidence that proves mother and his kid were connecting...


We have two options.

First option :

- That umbilical cord is from Sarada so ..What that precious umbilical cord is doing in Karin's desk ?!
Why Karin should keep and cherish that umbilical cord if she isn't Sarada's mother ?
There's no reason if it belongs to Sakura & Sarada !
It's a precious thing and I sincerely doubt that Sakura offered it to Karin to thank her after that one helped Sakura to give birth.
+ remember there's no photos of Sakura being pregnant.




+ look at her expression, she was serious about this. Karin says : My desk is a PART OF ME.
If she says that it's because there's something very important in that desk.
Something she cherishes a lot, something which is a part of HER = umbilical cord.


Second option :

- That umbilical cord is from Karin (I don't know how she got it but it belongs to her) = Suigestu :


The two options are pointing to Karin.

My opinion is : Sarada is Karin daughter.

+ don't forget that comment from Sakura :


+ Sarada looks like Karin + Suigestu :



What do you thing guys ? I think I'm crazy ...

PS : so in this case, why Karin didn't raise her daughter ?! Sakura was really pregnant ??!

Edited by olayans, 12 June 2015 - 12:50 AM.

[rocci]

@olayan
Japanese is not the only one who do that.
I believe asian people practice that kind of thing.

I don't read the chapter, but DNA test need 2 sample for comparison, right?
So, what sample from salad & Karin?

Edited by rocci, 12 June 2015 - 01:09 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sadly, going back to Sakura as actual mother would be bad writing. It's like choose your poison.

[dejavu]

I find some interesting informations and I would like to share it with you :

Conserving the Umbilical Cord :

"HESONO-O: This is a ritual involving the baby's umbilical cord. When the baby's cord dries and falls off, it was put inside a special wooden box and kept indefinately. This signified a well WISH for the MOTHER-CHILD RELATIONSHIP in the future."


"Hospitals in Japan tend to save the umbilical cords after births. They carefully package the cords inside wooden boxes and present them to the proud mothers upon their departure from the hospital. Japanese MOTHERS typically CHERISH the umbilical cords, allowing the child to look at it when they're older. These cords are thought to have a STRONG LINK to the well-being of the babies, which is why Japanese PARENTS look after them so well."






So I guess long ago before the child got the DNA thing, it was the only material evidence that proves mother and his kid were connecting...


We have two options.

First option :

- That umbilical cord is from Sarada so ..What that precious umbilical cord is doing in Karin's desk ?!
Why Karin should keep and cherish that umbilical cord if she isn't Sarada's mother ?
There's no reason if it belongs to Sakura & Sarada !
It's a precious thing and I sincerely doubt that Sakura offered it to Karin to thank her after that one helped Sakura to give birth.
+ remember there's no photos of Sakura being pregnant.




+ look at her expression, she was serious about this. Karin says : My desk is a PART OF ME.
If she says that it's because there's something very important in that desk.
Something she cherishes a lot, something which is a part of HER = umbilical cord.


Second option :

- That umbilical cord is from Karin (I don't know how she got it but it belongs to her) = Suigestu :


The two options are pointing to Karin.

My opinion is : Sarada is Karin daughter.

+ don't forget that comment from Sakura :


+ Sarada looks like Karin + Suigestu :



What do you thing guys ? I think I'm crazy ...

PS : so in this case, why Karin didn't raise her daughter ?! Sakura was really pregnant ??!

 

your effort is appreciated.

 

we could all give a great theory and all, and i as well have tons of things in mind but critical thinking and this manga just ain't a match.

 

Kishimoto could write a letter "c" but does it in an obscure way so that later on he could change an established thing into something else.

 

I still think he'll give us a crappy SS happy ending regardless of who Sarada's mother is.

 

The only thing i liked about this chapter is Sarada's line:

 

"The seventh is a LIAR"

 

I swear this kid knows how to say stuff lol.

 

Salad is indeed Sasuke's child, that pouty ungrateful brat who thinks they are the only people who got problems

Edited by dejavu, 12 June 2015 - 01:21 AM.

[rocci]

Sadly, going back to Sakura as actual mother would be bad writing. It's like choose your poison.

Meh, kishi doesn't care about it.

Anyway, kishi use shaman king ending lol.
The pink hair mother is not the mother lol.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Meh, kishi doesn't care about it.

Anyway, kishi use shaman king ending lol.
The pink hair mother is not the mother lol.

Lol. Still, I wonder where is Sakura's parents. That could have solved everything.

[dejavu]

@olayan
Japanese is not the only one who do that.
I believe asian people practice that kind of thing.

I don't read the chapter, but DNA test need 2 sample for comparison, right?
So, what sample from salad & Karin?

 

Suigetsu took a mouth swab on Salad and got this box of thing in Karin's work table. The box contain either a hair or an umbilical cord, it wasn't clear but we are not 100% sure what and who actually owns that thing in the box.

[Nostradamus]

@olayans No you're not crazy, you're just over thinking all of it. Most likely this entire thing about Karin being the mother will lead to nowhere. Unless it really does lead to Karin being the mother meaning she is the one that actually gave birth to her, and this is Kishi's way of destroying SS. Problem is it's destroying Sakura's character even more by doing this. And Sasuke's character and Naruto's and everyone's.

It's just making a bigger mess than it already is.

[Olaya]

@olayan
Japanese is not the only one who do that.
I believe asian people practice that kind of thing.
I don't read the chapter, but DNA test need 2 sample for comparison, right?
So, what sample from salad & Karin?

Suigetsu compared that umbilical cordon and a saliva sample from Sarada.

your effort is appreciated.
 
we could all give a great theory and all, and i as well have tons of things in mind but critical thinking and this manga just ain't a match.
 
Kishimoto could write a letter "c" but does it in an obscure way so that later on he could change an established thing into something else.
 
I still think he'll give us a crappy SS happy ending regardless of who Sarada's mother is.
 
The only thing i liked about this chapter is Sarada's line:
 
"The seventh is a LIAR"
 
I swear this kid knows how to say stuff lol.
 
Salad is indeed Sasuke's child, that pouty ungrateful brat who thinks they are the only people who got problems

You're right I'm just wasting my time xD

[rocci]

@touken
They're irrelevant.

@dejavu
So there are no sample from Karin? Only thing who look like umbilical cord or hair?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sigh...

 

Three more chapters. Let's finish this messy crappy boring waste of time fight...

[Nar123]

This chapter was worth only for two things...

 

the SS fans butthurt and

 

 

" THE SEVENTH IS A LIAR "