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[咲耶姫]

But there was so much NS development.  Is he saying that NS wasn't romantic? 

Pretty much. Though it's hard to admit it when you think about the hug or the feeding scene. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 10 November 2014 - 04:59 AM.

[Sakura~]

"didn't anything afterall"
 
If you don't mind me asking, what did you mean by this part in your sentence? Were you trying to say that the development meant nothing? Or am I misunderstanding the context here? 
 

 
Past experiences would dictate that you are, but I yearn so badly for there to be an underlying truth in the abnormal structure and layout of these chapters.

Didn't mean anything romantic. NS could be the red herring, I don't even know anymore. He said he always wanted to write romance but was embaressed, this explains the lack of NH/SS.

Edited by Sakura~, 10 November 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[unhskikrforever]

Question! Is the movie really there to fill the time-gap between chapter 699 and 700, or Kishi just said that it's connected to the movie?
 
And I'm suspicious about the "True End Plan".
 
"The scan also mentions the mystery man’s true identity is Toneri Otsutsuki, a descendant of Kaguya Otsutsuki, the progenitor of chakra who once took on Naruto and Sasuke in a battle of life and death. He appears with a team of puppets to in front of Naruto and friends and dominates them with overwhelming power. He then captures Hinata as a battle to protect Earth from the crashing meteorites is reaching its limits. As with all scans, we’re left with a tease! The scan mentions a “True End Plan” is in works, but what does it entail!? And what is the sorrowful destiny between the Otsutsuki clan and Hinata’s Hyuuga clan!? As the last day of Earth nears, everyone’s feelings will crash across time!"

[咲耶姫]

 

Question! Is the movie really there to fill the time-gap between chapter 699 and 700, or Kishi just said that it's connected to the movie?
 
And I'm suspicious about the "True End Plan".
 
"The scan also mentions the mystery man’s true identity is Toneri Otsutsuki, a descendant of Kaguya Otsutsuki, the progenitor of chakra who once took on Naruto and Sasuke in a battle of life and death. He appears with a team of puppets to in front of Naruto and friends and dominates them with overwhelming power. He then captures Hinata as a battle to protect Earth from the crashing meteorites is reaching its limits. As with all scans, we’re left with a tease! The scan mentions a “True End Plan” is in works, but what does it entail!? And what is the sorrowful destiny between the Otsutsuki clan and Hinata’s Hyuuga clan!? As the last day of Earth nears, everyone’s feelings will crash across time!"

 

The answer was just given on the movie thread, you should look. 

[Askia31]

http://ajw.asahi.com.../AJ201411100011


“The latest film is a love story,” Kishimoto said. “It will depict what happened between the 699th and 700th manga episodes. I designed the characters and helped make the story.

“Although I wanted to write about the romances of Naruto and his friends in the manga series, it was too difficult,” he continued. “I am not good at writing romances because I feel embarrassed when trying to do so.”

in short , he couldnt find a way to make Naruto fall in love with Hinata, so he asked SP for help so they can asspull it for him.

[AnimeGirl_123]

Didn't mean anything romantic. NS could be the red herring, I don't even know anymore. He said he always wanted to write romance but was embaressed, this explains the lack of NH/SS.

 

Pretty much. Though it's hard to admit it when you think about the hug or the feeding scene. 

Wow.  This is just... I have no words. He added all that NS and had no problem doing it (he wasn't embarrassed) because it wasnt supposed to be romantic... Wow. :/ I seriously hate how NH/SS may have been right about all this.  It's coming from Kishi's own mouth...

[Elicit]

And here is the explanation as to why NH/SS seem to not be so developped to us, especially NH. 

(from 2008)

 

If anything I think this just proves that he never cared about writing romance in a convincing way in his own manga, or that he DID care but changed his mind around 2010. It was only until around sometime in 2010 that he decided to choose NH/SS.

 

 

 

He must have decided to go with NH/SS after the Kage Summit arc due to editorial mandates.

Edited by Elicit, 10 November 2014 - 05:27 AM.

[megi]

I don't think it means that he doesn't see NS development as non-romantic.

But I'm 100% sure "The Last" is about NH.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think it means that he doesn't see NS development as non-romantic.
But I'm 100% sure "The Last" is about NH.

It doesn't really say it that way, but the focus on romance department is new to him since well that's the driving force. That said the movie is it. It's not a subplot #4, it's #1 if not main one.

[AHK]

I don't think it means that he doesn't see NS development as non-romantic.
But I'm 100% sure "The Last" is about NH.

I agree. The development on NS was surely romantic. I think he was talking about incredibly open romantic involvement, like just having people make out left and right.

[Illnevergiveup3]

lol once NS becomes cabon, I swear to God I ain't reading another manga ever again.

[Dragunov]

lol once NS becomes cabon, I swear to God I ain't reading another manga ever again.

Don't get your hopes up too high. You just might be disappointed.

[FireFox]

http://ajw.asahi.com.../AJ201411100011


“The latest film is a love story,” Kishimoto said. “It will depict what happened between the 699th and 700th manga episodes. I designed the characters and helped make the story.

“Although I wanted to write about the romances of Naruto and his friends in the manga series, it was too difficult,” he continued. “I am not good at writing romances because I feel embarrassed when trying to do so.”

What a load of crap and pitiful excuse  , then why the hell did you make Naruto love Sakura why the POAL why The Bench Scene , Why the Yamato/Sai comment , Why put all the parallels for NS why foreshadow it   so in the end to say that it was all a Red Hearing and that SS/NH is love being abusive and obsessed is romance ? kittening disgusting  I can't believe he's justifying himself like this   what a moron  if this was the case then he should have stopped adding scenes for NS or even make RTN  , the fact that he had to neglect NS completely giving them no interaction at all not even a resolution  so he can asspull NH/SS only proves that he knew what he was doing with NS  what a hypocrite and a failure he is  he  sign .   

[Chatte]

Guys, nothing Kishimoto said there cannot be applied to either NS or SK. Let's just wait for the movie to clear things up, okay?

 

@ramenamitsu thanks very much for the translation quite so far! ♥

 

BTW I won't be able to write the theory until I have the translations guys, gomen! ^^ It is really important to me to see certain details in there so I can properly build this. Idk, it might take me longer than anticipated...

Edited by Chatte, 10 November 2014 - 08:13 AM.

[Chatte]

It's alright, take your time! What did you need btw? More data book translations?

I really want to hear your theory, because I'm having doubts that not even a movie can be the reason for the final 2 chapters.. unless there's more but I doubt it x_x all the best!!

Thanks a lot dear!

 

Yup, I need the rest of the DB translations and from the guys from our part because I trust no one outside here... Megi, Ramen, Sakuya are the only people I trust to be unbiased with translations...

 

But I need them in order to be able to properly construct the theory... And damn it's gonna be so long it's gonna probably eat all my time, heh... :)

[Dkey]

Take your time then Chatte. We have time until December. If it's our last hope we shouldn't half ass it.

[Chatte]

Take your time then Chatte. We have time until December. If it's our last hope we shouldn't half ass it.

Yup... I initially thought it will just take me an weekend and that's it... but nope! It's hella more than that.
Imagine it's gonna be longer than my last theory with Kaguya... And that one was kitten loads longer... So yeah.

It's hard with the negativity around tho'... sometimes I feel like people crush my determination, but I will walk forward for one more time.

If in December things are the way they were portrayed in the manga, so be it, I'll just give up and that's it, move on with my life. If not, oh well. Happy happy joy joy! :)

[Atheck]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the aim of this theory? Since this recent chapter's publication, the interview Kishi provided following the completion of the last chapter, and the information provided on the movie's subject matter, the canonicity of NH/SS (with no strings attached) is all but assured. I assume it has to do with the implausibility of the pairings or the ending in general. But that doesn't account for the upcoming semi-continuation which is probably included in your thoughts. 

[Chatte]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the aim of this theory? Since this recent chapter's publication, the interview Kishi provided following the completion of the last chapter, and the information provided on the movie's subject matter, the canonicity of NH/SS (with no strings attached) is all but assured. I assume it has to do with the implausibility of the pairings or the ending in general. But that doesn't account for the upcoming semi-continuation which is probably included in your thoughts. 

To basically show why all this might be a red-herring and NaruSaku along SasuKarin are still in the run, based on all the information gathered in these 15 years of work, interviews and such. :)
Basically...connected of course with the IT :)

[Atheck]

To basically show why all this might be a red-herring and NaruSaku along SasuKarin are still in the run, based on all the information gathered in these 15 years of work, interviews and such. :)
Basically...connected of course with the IT :)

 

From what I've been able to read, they do make a lot of sense and they coincide with the manga universe's known mechanics, history, and characters. They're also very inspirational for readers who feel discouraged or believe that the current circumstances are hopeless. So I'll read it too. Hopefully there was something overlooked that can add credence to the prospect of an actual happy ending. 

Edited by Atheck, 10 November 2014 - 09:17 AM.