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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:51 PM

oooh i finally caught up .it was a really nice chapter. .from my read to the chapter and all the comments . here my 2 cents.

 

naruto who got stabbed am afraid is the real one. what  六道仙人, noticed  about  the black ball is really nice. but when naruto entered the dimension kishi didnt  want us to see his back  so h might tricked us twice. .i think that the real naruto entered and his clone didnt . which make sense that after he got stabbed the clones didnt disappear . 

 

and what makes me more sure what obito said . he said .thanks . to naruto clone( that was with him and sakura .) they were able to hid in his dimension . which means that he used all narutos clone energy . .thats why he told sakura  its all on u now .  but what obito didnt know that the real naruto actually entered the dimension  .and he said what he said . without checking if that was a naruto clone or the real one . 

 

and i f i was wrong :lulz: and the one who got stabbed was a clone . then the real naruto is in another dimension no doubt . .kakashi still in the ice with narutos clones . . thats how i saw the chapter .  and a bout ss / i totally agree with   otaru



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:53 PM

 

Well there will be resolution its just that it most likely wont be what SS fans are hoping for. I mean the recent stuff in the war, not trusting him, this negativity, sasuke admitting he wouldn't have protected them unless they were close to naruto, this isn't going to just vanish and make him say sorry after all this otherwise it becomes a case of why bother? I mean the whole notion of SS still makes me vomit when the land of iron event where he tried to kill her just becomes a case of a bad point in their relationship. Its just ludicrous and stupid. I mean kakashi said she doesn't love him like she used too but somehow fans think it became more than love which just puts more questions, conflicting questions and more holes into SS than before and doesnt even address in anyway the per-present SS problems before 675.

 

I mean to some fans sakura not loving sasuke is impossible when it makes much more sense in that she is falling out of love with him, she is moving beyond and thats just the notion of it, I mean this makes sense when put with hints of kushinas own foreshadow and 631 recently, hell its a proven fact sakura has a better relationship with naruto so why is the most developed to end at just friendship? Its something they never consider. The only thing SS fans are counting on is a sponteneous 180 turn with Sasuke to suddenly just start being all open and friendly when this stuff is not going to happen, this whole deal of unnecessary mentality, unneeded development, this pointless turn in sasuke, it would put him OOC and just cause so many issues its frightening that fans actually think this does the story justice it doesn't, it puts Sasuke OOC for the most unnecessary reasons, he didnt love anyone then theres no point in suddenly introducing it now, and its just counter productive to sakuras development. Whats the point of her development if everything expect this has not changed in some way completely different from the start? To some SS fans its a world ending event if sakura ever came to love naruto when throughout this manga, the most development, most constant, and positive has already been between naruto and sakura, theres no questions here, sakura gets along better with naruto so how can SS even come when its still seen as negative and why do fans just assume all these get bypassed? This is the same kitten they tell themselves with Sasuke secretly loving Sakura when it doesn't exist. Even if Sasuke in the coming chapters apologized, it would be like NH in 615 making the same mistake, one moment cannot make up for the extreme lack of other stuff all these years.

 

Literally both NH and SS make the aspect of love as a complicated emotion too far, NH makes it too simple because well she always liked naruto but SS makes it just too twisted and irrational, just completely stupid and absurd, I mean the author for SS has never even shown any points of it being positive, any progressive reasons for sakura having this crush, its been shown to make her mistrust the one she "loves" and the negativity recently doesn't help, and espcially when other pairings like NS get hints and the more positive development, what purpose, what resolution, what meaning could possibly exist, what could the author even try to do to make SS come and somehow show it as positive when its been seen as a negative factor for so long? Simple answer, there isn't, because if kishi is serious with SS then he did an even worse job with trying to bring NH at this point, not only is SS worse than NH, its not even less developed its just declined in even being positive, its been shown as something negative since 484 and it certainly has not improved with 540 making sakura saddened, it has not improved with 635 and her mistrusting him, it doesnt look better at all with 676, 678, and 680 all showing these constant degrees of negativity, topping it all off is the he didnt act to save her or kakashi from either the lava or on purpose from the genjutsu and in this upcoming meeting if its just sakura with obito to sasuke, that somehow some apology or sudden turnaround should happen? God dammed no, it doesnt make any sense.

 

If kishi did do this, it only makes SS even worse off, its like we had seen this as negative for so long now its supposed to be "good and ideal?" This is what SS fans are expecting basically, it breaks the logic and does just so much jumbling with the story, its a freaking mess. This is all SS is, a freaking mess that just has to end. For anyone to say 675 made Sakura love sasuke more after all this, espcially the few things we saw after 675, its even less likely she loves him more, this makes no sense, but for a ship thats been under the most constant fire in recent chapters, the one with the most negativity, fans will be desperate to protect their beliefs and hopes and purely expect the impossible to happen, but its not likely, SS is otherwise fading as a love and it may be past that point of no return.

 

As much as they hate it, SS is more or less done for. Nothing will change this, its just character development, if this means Sakura maturing past her ideal crush of sasuke and only seeing him as a friend, it was just something to happen at any point from years before after all we had seen with the negativity. She will forgive and be friends with him, but not love him because SS just hasn't even occured, its had hardly any existence in this manga aside from sakura just loving him, but at that point, this solves nothing so what should logically happen? This changes and it will. Sakura is continuing the change in regards to both him and naruto and well, its again no suprise if she goes towards naruto cause NS has the most development and hints, its no surprise at this point if SS just dies and the coming meeting is just a neutral or negative response on her again from sasuke.

 

If SS was to happen, then this negativity would not exist, but it exists for a reason and SS fans can ignore it all they want but its not going to help their case when the realization comes in that she doesnt love him anymore and 675 was the start of that, its just going to occur in a slow pace until she otherwise more or less loves naruto, its just character development. If they dont like it, well its their problem, and when SS gets its on screen death as no longer love, the same type of flip out will occur like NH fans did with 631 yelling at the author for being "stupid" and "making asspulls" or "trolling" when like 631 as we said before many times our reasons, others laughed and then raged and then this new divided stupdity view on the sakura-kushina event not being important or hinata being like either of the parents emerged, NH fans kept contradicting each other and their former views on 504 all because this fell on sakura, not hinata.

 

SS fans seem to have the idea that Sasuke is full of an inner love for others, that he is harboring feelings for sakura just never seen before, well if this was true we would have seen them by now. Otherwise SS fans are already living in fanfiction with no point of returning because the story is near its end, sakura is changed and still is like naruto and sasuke and in regards to them she still is. She supports naruto more than sasuke despite not loving naruto. I always find it funny how SS fans never consider this. Its just too late for SS though, it cannot be canon at this point, otherwise by all means it has been rendered impossible and unbelievable and just well if it were too occur, it would be a complete mess.

 

Theres no point to it anymore besides Sakura getting over her older feelings, nothing complicated here. Its just character development and this is just that character arc where she may more or less more beyond her old love of sasuke and otherwise to something else, aka naruto, the one she has supported and really cares for, the one she has been supporting more, hell she wants to see him become hokage, she supports naruto more than sasuke again, what exactly does she support sasuke on? Yeah we are done here, SS by all means is falling to death and no longer as love, its just character development and if fans dont like the fact that sakura changes and theres no point of this stuff existing on sasuke, thats their problem.

Don't get me wrong Inferno I agree with everything you just said SS is dead that's for sure but what I have problem is the way he's going with Sakura's resolution  and this set up possibly leaving SS alone (though I doubt it since I think Naruto the original went to look for Sasuke) . I mean how much more does it needs for Sakura to get it to come to the conclusion ? Why does it needed for her to be alone with him for her to get it , when we had countless of panels with Sasuke interacting with her already ? This does nothing but make Sakura look ridiculous every interaction she has with him her character suffer tremendously this the problem and this only hurts her character and NS in the long way . It also doesn't help by giving SS a moment alone when even NS hasn't had that and they are supposed to be the final paring not to mention how Sasuke possibly acknowledging her first also reflects bad on NS since Naruto should be the one to do that since he loves her but he still hasn't and there have been so many opportunities for that to happen .

 

Let say Sasuke acknowledges her now and apologize to her like some people say in here  and after this she just lets go . This would have been fine if Sakura has already shown that she has reached that conclusion to let go of him , but Personally for me right now this doesn't make any sense  that by doing this she will let go of him when countless of murder attempts and insult said in her face weren't enough  for here to come to the conclusion .  I mean how is exactly Sasuke doing that should prompt her to finally let go of him in fact it should do the opposite that makes more sense then what people are implying with this kind of set up .

 

Kishi right now is trolling hard and I don't like the set up that he has done but I will still wait to see where is this going it may be a T7 one but for now it stinks . 


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:55 PM

Welcome back, Mr. "Number One Unpredictable Ninja of Konoha," Naruto.  Haven't seen you in awhile.....

 

I doubt the real Naruto got stabbed, he might be pulling another "Chuunin Exams Neji" surprise.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

I do hope that Naruto's steam jutsu (why hasn't Narutopedia made an article on that Kairiki Musou technique yet?) leads to the revelation that Kokuo's (and by extension Han's) steam related powers are a form of Boil Release. It makes sense since steam comes from boiling water, thus one can draw to the conclusion that Han's steam attacks are created via Kokuo's Boil Release.

 

I also hope that the blue fire produced by Matatabi is a form of Scortch Release as well. I could also see Isobu doing Storm Release (by being a sea monster who controls the weather of the ocean), Gyuki doing Steel/Metal/Iron Release (as a nod to Killer B's Iron Seal), Chomei being Plasma/Ion/Energy Release (As a way for Fire and Lightning to create some plasmid ionic sound-based electromagnetic  energy beam of some kind that Chomei could shoot from her horn, or maybe Fire and Lightning make whatever substance that Secret Jutsu Fu used is), Saiken being Ice Release (for the sake of having Utataka's Water Bubble Jutsu match up with the Ice Release composition) and Kurama being Explosion Release (to represent Kurama's power level and his reputation as a destructive force of nature). Though some of these Tailed Beasts could end up having different advanced natures, such as Isobu with Metal Release and Gyuki with Storm Release, depending on what Kishi wants to do with their powers.

 

It's already confirmed that Son Goku has Lava Release, Shukaku has Magnet Release and the Shinju has Wood Release on account of it being a tree. If only Kishi decided to put a Boil Release in front that technique's name. Then again, it could be the same case with Gaara's Sand not having an elemental affiliation of any kind until Kishi decided that Shukaku's powers where magnetic in nature. So I'm still hopeful that my theory of the Tailed Beasts representing one of the ten advanced Kekkei Genkai elements will become true before the series ends.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:23 PM

Even if it turns out to be the real Naruto that's disintegrating, for someone reason I can't bring myself to care. Maybe it's because I've already witnessed Naruto escaping death a few chapters ago, or maybe his character is just not interesting to me anymore. I guess it's a combination of both.

 

I'm really looking forward to what Sakura is going to do. Whether it leads up to a SS moment or not, I'm just glad that she's in a situation where she can be productive. I know I've somewhat given up on the idea of Sakura saying enough is enough with Sasuke's kitten talk, but maybe it will lead to that in the next chapter or two. I've said this numerous times that Sakura's development is much more important than NS becoming official. 


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:51 PM

Don't get me wrong Inferno I agree with everything you just said SS is dead that's for sure but what I have problem is the way he's going with Sakura's resolution  and this set up possibly leaving SS alone (though I doubt it since I think Naruto the original went to look for Sasuke) . I mean how much more does it needs for Sakura to get it to come to the conclusion ? Why does it needed for her to be alone with him for her to get it , when we had countless of panels with Sasuke interacting with her already ? This does nothing but make Sakura look ridiculous every interaction she has with him her character suffer tremendously this the problem and this only hurts her character and NS in the long way . It also doesn't help by giving SS a moment alone when even NS hasn't had that and they are supposed to be the final paring not to mention how Sasuke possibly acknowledging her first also reflects bad on NS since Naruto should be the one to do that since he loves her but he still hasn't and there have been so many opportunities for that to happen .

 

Let say Sasuke acknowledges her now and apologize to her like some people say in here  and after this she just lets go . This would have been fine if Sakura has already shown that she has reached that conclusion to let go of him , but Personally for me right now this doesn't make any sense  that by doing this she will let go of him when countless of murder attempts and insult said in her face weren't enough  for here to come to the conclusion .  I mean how is exactly Sasuke doing that should prompt her to finally let go of him in fact it should do the opposite that makes more sense then what people are implying with this kind of set up .

 

Kishi right now is trolling hard and I don't like the set up that he has done but I will still wait to see where is this going it may be a T7 one but for now it stinks . 

 

The main issue to SS has and always has been Sasuke himself, simply because he has not loved anyone nor been associated with any story elements involving this type of stuff save his family for well, main story reasons and his own character. I still just go by the fact that this is dramatic suspense because theres no content or results in Sakura still loving Sasuke, thats my reasoning, its one case kishi has built NS so much its no question that they have the biggest boy-girl relationship in the series, its the most dynamic and most active on screen. Its the only pairing where Sakura, who herself will determine the outcome of this whole romance subplot, has actually returned a good portion of mutuality to naruto, I mean again its stuff like one case Kishi is not only developed NS the most, but in the deal with even hinting an end pairing, at that back in 504 was just a means of well theres more or less going to be an end one and 631 was just part of that hint. Its still an almost too good to be true type deal to have one chapter years before with kushina saying find a girl like me and then just last year we got Minato saying that Sakura was just like Kushina. Its literally almost too good to be true.

 

The other deal is, even in this whole mess of a romance subplot with what SS just has with Sakura for now and Hinatas infrequentness, if kishi is serious on SS and/or NH, its been a lackluster job, I mean he didnt need to write 631 the way he did, he could have left hinata around more, he didnt have to keep her in the dirt or trap her in the genjutsu, he himself had so many opportunities to write the story differently, its almost at this point ironic that why even hint things leaning more on NS if the other 2 are just going to come? This doesn't make sense, its all on that old anti-ns argument of it just being comic relief or a red herring when the main plot itself does nothing and I mean virtually nothing to the point of showing more than just simple "love" in the deals of SS and NH, hell even in a filler when Sakura was running to take care of sasuke, she reflected on herself and said she didnt remember how, when, or why she fell in love with sasuke and that was a filler by all means, I mean even for as dumb as 166 was with Hinata, they were able to pump buttloads of filler into a backstory for why she came to like naruto as non-canon as this story was, why couldnt they you know make a reason for sakura?

 

When the confrontation comes, should it be resolution or just a simple talk, I doubt it would be just sakura suddenly going back to him, it would really just be a case of then why bother with this whole negativity shtick? Even this late with Sakura herself still having this negativity view despite still caring for him as a friend/comrade in much the same ways naruto has for all these years, it leads one to ask well how can this somehow suddenly become positive after so many notions and events that say the opposite? I mean NH has its issues with many things hinting NS and Hinata being infrequent, but SS has so much more, I mean it was gone for more than half the manga, it was just a running streak of disappointment and turmoil, it was so bad that you got its own fans trying to make something positive out of the land of iron or the recent events even when Sasuke himself was letting them fall to their deaths and admitted he didnt save her and kakashi on purpose.

 

The point is well yes its to ask, why sakura? why kishi why do you still have her like this? Well he doesn't hate characters nor put something to torment them, but to think that all of this would occur with sakura currently just not having a good standing with him, again not trusting him, am I or many others supposed to suspect that Kishi is just going to flip things to be good and ideal in the next few chapters and just somehow have made this a case of testing or seeing how much sakura's love could endure? This whole deal would just even contradict the whole point of things and just make it go well why were you making it so negative? Besides wouldn't it already have endured with 675 if it somehow became more love? But saying this again adds even more holes!

 

Its not that Sakura is stupid or just loving a shadow and its not like she suddenly goes to naruto if he mentions the forehead stuff so that "kind" sasuke she thought she meant was actually naruto himself. The real problem is just kishi himself with his writing, it was one thing to say something like he made people think naruto got over sakura when he didnt but its just the way he did things, he couldnt have sakura go loving naruto after the land of iron so soon after the fake confession but she did in fact change further in response to both naruto and sasuke after these events. He let Hinata in without much to do because of her confession so she has always been at the side, the other deal was when NS "died" then kushinas foreshadow came up and many would have taken this as, why would NS be dead if it was being hinted? You don't hint story elements that are no longer in motion. Yet 631 came out to what it was and many other pairing fans flipped.

 

My point is, in the time since the land of iron, things just got even more unlikely for SS as kishi keeps displaying it and to suddenly turn it around to have been "what we once thought was right was wrong" this just makes things seem even more pathetic when there was no build up or response, there has not been much even saying sasuke is just sorry or willing to admit it, I mean he apologized to karin but not sakura? Is sakura just that kind to let it go? This makes it just like part 1 again just being almost like this whole deal of antagonism on sakura never even occured like all the attempted killings and disrgard towards her makes sakura either just too freaking generous or just otherwise stupid in her love and its a situation that just makes the whole love in this manga beyond retarded, it makes it absurd

 

Sakuras development is still in motion I mean stuff like wanting to know sasukes current dream and otherwise there has been stuff like her wanting naruto to become hokage, but what are we to expect then? She suddenly just sticks to sasuke? There are hundreds of more reasons to question SS than to anticipate it because no matter how one puts it could come, it makes more sense to just make many more counter arguments at this point because there are just too many problems with SS, it goes against so much and does so many unneeded things to their characters, its a total mess.

 

On SS theres hardly any content, any story reason, any need, for it to somehow end on a positive note as love when sasuke himself has been just not even critical to a love trait and its just been a negative attribute on sakura, its not something she sticks with simply "because she hoped" thats just stupid, its something she needs to confirm to herself, a trait or trail she must face and overcome, to think kishi would do this whole manga to never change her from this at least once, it makes the romance subplot in this even more absurd than the classic disney movie crap that tries to resolve romance within 20 minutes always under some good ideals. The difference is those disney movies get their stuff done because they are only like an hour to 90 minute movies, what we are reading is a whole series thats gone on for 15 years about now and for a portion of a subplot thats been minimal to the story, for something that has been portrayed as a negative impact upon the heroine no less, there is just no foreseeable reason or way that SS sticks around till the end at this point. Its something sakura should otherwise overcome or its just complete forgone development. I mean is one part an ending for team 7 being the opposite of how they introduced themselves? Naruto being hokage, sasuke having a new family (or whatever with his new dream) while sakura, who started out loving sasuke and hating naruto ends being just friends with sasuke but loving naruto? This could be a complete character resolution and end to what original started and introduced us to team 7.

 

The resolution will come but Sakura simply isnt going to be the same around sasuke ever again and it doesn't make sense or have any purpose to make it go back to that. Again she can be his friend, forgive him, and respet him as a comrade but part of this story is characters getting maturity and while many of the other major characters like gaara, shikamaru, and tsuande all gained development, mainly in the war, it just leads another to question why all these characters somehow changed and their biggest starting traits all turned around to something benefical, gaara is no longer a bloodlusting monster, he is a person with many friends and sought to protect others, not kill them. Shikamaru is no longer lazy, he is an active and constantly prepared shinobi, tsuande feared blood and had no clousre with Dan, yet everything turned around for her. Sakura not having her longest held trait not changing, espcially because she is the heroine, this trait never having changed in some way or reverting to the same basic style as in part 1 where she just loved sasuke here and there, it would be almost a travisty, like why is she, a main no less, among those who didnt get a resolution? Thats the point, sakura is developing and changing and to do this, it requires some events to make sense out of the events to bring SS as love to an end, to mature over it, I mean part of this whole deal that actually makes sense is Sakura learning real love, having it realized, not just forcing herself to love another or just realizing it on ideals, it needs to be something that she herself realizes and moves on from, like does she find herself supporting and thinking more of naruto or sasuke? After so many events like the 4 tails event put out a small question of how does she feel about naruto, this is the basis of why I feel sakura will eventually get that period where she moves away from sasuke towards naruto, something that makes the deal fully mutual, not based on ideals and simple basic love like SS and NH began with.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:55 PM

Sakura's interaction with Sasuke at this point is revealed to be nothing but platonic so it doesn't matter.

 

My problem is when, Kishi killed off SS and that's good but man did he slip up on another chance to do it in a good way. Just like with LOI Sakura had no transition, no epiphany moment, now when NS becomes canon its going to be difficult for it to be satisfactory because of how inconsistent and confusing Kishi's been making her feel.

 

Its just frustrating to see NS my OTP and Kishi (someone who is pretty good with storytelling imo) screw up with it because....idk he likes trolling people which makes look like an kitten. waving food in front of a starving dog on a leash for several hours straight and then letting him off on the leash, the dog will likely be less interested in the food then he will be pissed at the owner.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:19 PM

I know SS has always been one-sided, but the prospect of Sakura meeting Sasuke without Naruto or alone could undo her. The way Kishi is revisiting part 1 with naruto these past two chapter, I would not be surprise that her interaction with Sasuke alone might slightly bring back the fan-girl twelve year old Sakura. not 100% but some portion of it.  To me, this will destroy Sakura's growth and development event if its just the slightest margin of her fangirl self returning. She's not ready to face him alone. i would rather have her take her chances against Kaguya. 

 

I believe Sasuke's future betrayal and when he attacks naruto is going to be the key that she's finally over him.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:29 PM

Pretty boring chapter to be honest. However since there was no Sasuke in it, the chapter was decent.

Any chapter without Sasuke and Hinata is a good chapter to me. You can give me a chapter that only has blank pages in it, and it will be a million times better than a chapter with Sasuke and Hinata.

 

It´s interesting to see that Naruto with the help of the Tailed Beasts can handle Kaguya. While when Sasuke was around, they barely stood a chance. So can you guys explain to me why exactly do we need Sasuke back? So Kaguya can win the fight?


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:52 PM

I know SS has always been one-sided, but the prospect of Sakura meeting Sasuke without Naruto or alone could undo her. The way Kishi is revisiting part 1 with naruto these past two chapter, I would not be surprise that her interaction with Sasuke alone might slightly bring back the fan-girl twelve year old Sakura. not 100% but some portion of it.  To me, this will destroy Sakura's growth and development event if its just the slightest margin of her fangirl self returning. She's not ready to face him alone. i would rather have her take her chances against Kaguya. 
 
I believe Sasuke's future betrayal and when he attacks naruto is going to be the key that she's finally over him.

I wouldn't worry, most likely the meeting with Sasuke would be neutral or negative, not revert sakura as long as she is not trusting him especially given the recent negative treatment she got from him, it literally was only minutes ago in the timeframe of the manga, I doubt she would just go full reverse at this moment, it would seem silly like that.

One event would not mean SS is canon either, it would need a lot and I mean a lot to make this happen and yet there are still so many problems with SS, it just doesn't have enough time or opportunity to develop or rectify them.

Ns still has a lead and many other things are still in favor for it. One event doesn't set everything to canon like nh fans did with 615, look how wrong they were, yet we still got more development off this war and look how important hinata was, nothing important or new since 615, then she was sidelined twice. I know we should be ready for kishis writing but it's not that absurd that she would suddenly just become fixated and fangirling on Sasuke again just when moments before she came to distrust him chapters before and gained these somber negative put downs from him, I mean she doesn't worry about naruto, she is happy in regards to her friendship with naruto, Sasuke is an issue for her. The reaction could be negative or neutral but I doubt sakura will go fully back to him. Sasuke himself most likely won't apologize either, but one event if kindness even from him would again not set everything to SS as much as SS fans would want, it still wouldn't solve the numerous other problems that existed long before the current situation.

Sakura does have some issues with Sasuke on her mind, but not that bad that she goes back to the whole part 1 deal that some fans sadly wish for, it's not going to happen cause it would be so counter productive to her development, it's the sole purpose of her distrust for him that makes her still developing and changing right now, even still curious to his real goal, she isn't just going to revert or be happy with him and I doubt Sasuke will be all nice. Sakura will change more and yes most likely near the end at some point she will move on towards naruto. All the ns stuff is still present and still in effect otherwise why would it all end at friendship? It has to end somewhere else especially since there are many questions still needing answers and hints saying narusaku can occur, I mean you don't see any foreshadows on other pairings hinting nh or SS do you? I only see an eerily direct one based in what Kushina herself said, with all the other stuff having been done or in the process of doing, while finding a girl like her, to just many chapter later we get a chapter with minato saying this girl is like Kushina, does it seem too good to be true or could it lead somewhere? It wouldn't be written just as a joke or stupid distraction, because this all goes back to making if Kishi was intent on nh and SS , it would just make them come off as worse because he focused so much in something else to put something in as canon that didn't even have development,nit was just spontaneous and overly convinent because both sakura and hinata already loved others. Not like ns where at least sakura came to love naruto and naruto had screentime where his own love for her wasn't just a simple crush as the girls was. But hey a foreshadow even with the parents and mother having a similar background to Sakura's early interaction with naruto, I say that's a good indicator of what can come, otherwise is Kishi really lazy and just happened to make Kushina like sakura and all these similarities because he was in a tight timeframe or used his wife to base Kushina and decided to model her like sakura too? I find this hard to believe, rather I see it as deliberate to hint ns, and this is still in effect and can come. Sakura can change, she most likely won't revert and Sasuke won't just go loving or acting all happy now. I mean this is Sasuke, the emo lord, he isn't just going to smile and compliment others, doing that makes him ooc if you could believe it.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:05 PM

Even if it turns out to be the real Naruto that's disintegrating, for someone reason I can't bring myself to care. Maybe it's because I've already witnessed Naruto escaping death a few chapters ago, or maybe his character is just not interesting to me anymore. I guess it's a combination of both.
 
I'm really looking forward to what Sakura is going to do. Whether it leads up to a SS moment or not, I'm just glad that she's in a situation where she can be productive. I know I've somewhat given up on the idea of Sakura saying enough is enough with Sasuke's kitten talk, but maybe it will lead to that in the next chapter or two. I've said this numerous times that Sakura's development is much more important than NS becoming official.

Same here. I'm also HOPING that the original Naruto won't appear in Sasuke's dimension. Obito is relying on Sakura, and this is her chance to shine. I will be absolutely furious if Naruto happened to successfully enter this dimension and do all the work. What a wasted potential that would be. I'm tired of Naruto and Sasuke and their convenient OP power-ups.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:22 PM

Same here. I'm also HOPING that the original Naruto won't appear in Sasuke's dimension. Obito is relying on Sakura, and this is her chance to shine. I will be absolutely furious if Naruto happened to successfully enter this dimension and do all the work. What a wasted potential that would be. I'm tired of Naruto and Sasuke and their convenient OP power-ups.


C'mon. We all know that's going to happen. Kishimoto's just going to have Obito use her as a AA battery with Naruto and Sasuke get some Bromance time.

The lower my expectations the easier it is to temper my disappointment.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:29 PM

C'mon. We all know that's going to happen. Kishimoto's just going to have Obito use her as a AA battery with Naruto and Sasuke get some Bromance time.The lower my expectations the easier it is to temper my disappointment.

Damn, you don't let me cling to false hope do you!?

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:31 PM

I know SS has always been one-sided, but the prospect of Sakura meeting Sasuke without Naruto or alone could undo her. The way Kishi is revisiting part 1 with naruto these past two chapter, I would not be surprise that her interaction with Sasuke alone might slightly bring back the fan-girl twelve year old Sakura. not 100% but some portion of it.  To me, this will destroy Sakura's growth and development event if its just the slightest margin of her fangirl self returning. She's not ready to face him alone. i would rather have her take her chances against Kaguya. 
 
I believe Sasuke's future betrayal and when he attacks naruto is going to be the key that she's finally over him.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:35 PM

This chapter was a bit confusion.  Let's go through events step by step:

-Clone Naruto and Sakura grab onto Obito to prepare to teleport.

-Kaguya notices them but pays no mind, which Kakashi notices, and goes after the real Naruto

-Kokuou uses his chakra to enhance Naruto's strength to break out of the ice and repel Kaguya.

-Naruto uses Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, and uses Ittai Rendan on Kaguya to surround her and force her to open a portal to avoid it.

-Obito uses kamui to take Sakura and Clone Naruto to the other dimension.

-The real Naruto follows after Kaguya as well.

-Kaguya goes to her main dimension that connects all the others, and discovers Naruto followed her.

-Black Zetsu notices Obito and Sakura followed as well, but notes they lost power and vanished, though he questions the vanished part.

-Kaguya uses bone manipulation to "kill" Naruto, and proceeds to head back to the ice dimension to see if the clones left behind disappeared.  They haven't.

-Obito and Sakura have been in his own dimension, and says it's thanks to Naruto they were able to successfully hide from Kaguya.

-He notes Naruto and clones are no longer here, and that he has to rely on Sakura only now to finish the job to get to Sasuke.

-Kakashi says it looks like he entered fine.

 

It's a bit confusing.  However, I don't think Obito's not aware that the real Naruto followed them, after all he said that neither him or his clones were left in this dimension.  That's why he has to use Sakura's seal chakra to take them the rest of the way.  There are a couple explanations to the Naruto that got stabbed and left with a gaping hole.  One is that it's substitution jutsu.  He did say he was going to go back to the basics or origins.  Another is that it's a genjutsu from Kakashi.  The very last panel with Kakashi saying it seems that he made it fine is no doubt a hint.  Kakashi noted that Kaguya wasn't minding them as she doesn't consider them a threat.  No doubt he would use that to have that negligence come back to bite her later.  Also, it's strange to think he's the only one left out of the planning.  I'm sure we'll get the full details next week.

 

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:25 PM

All I want is positive development for Sakura. kitten SS and their delusional shippers. Whether she actually talks to Sasuke and realizes she no longer loves him or gets some action and battles Kaguya's monsters on the way to whatever connects the dimensions. I just want Sakura's chance to shine, without god Naruto and Sasuke ruining it again. :glare:


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:43 PM

The lower my expectations the easier it is to temper my disappointment.

 

I hope you have been more successful than me. I had to rent a rug shampooer to clean up the vomit after the whole "Uchihas' love so much, they hate" business.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:03 PM

I hope you have been more successful than me. I had to rent a rug shampooer to clean up the vomit after the whole "Uchihas' love so much, they hate" business.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:13 PM

I keep a barf bag handy. I came up with a rating system to see how close it needs to be to my computer.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:03 AM

To be honest, I don't really know what to think about these recent chapters.  I'm talking like ever since the 640's/ 650's.  It's not that I've hated them, I have just lost some interest in this long, drawn out arc.  And it just takes forever for the plot to move along.  All of the Big 3 have issues with this, but this arc, for some reason, is just taking extremely long to end.  But of course, I'd much rather have a long, drawn out ending battle done correctly than a short one that is done wrong.

 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say the arc isn't interesting, because it has it's moments.  In fact, there was a whole block of chapters where I was really into it.  They were the chapters right after all the Obito Flashback/ Naruto Talk-no-Justu stuff (which, to be honest, I didn't read that thoroughly), which was when Madara absorbed the Ten Tails, Naruto and Sasuke were on their death beds, and Gai unleashed the Gates.  To me, all that was great.  And then with the introduction of Kaguya, I sort of lost some interest again.  Not all, but some, because I felt that Kaguya came a little out of nowhere. So, at this point, I'm kind of just waiting it out, because I think the real meat is the arc after this one.

 

Again, this is not, IMO, a bad arc by any means.  All of this war stuff is pretty necessary, but I think it's just taking way too long.  And people will probably defend it and say that there are some great moments, which there are!  But unfortunately, all the moments lose their impact when there is so much (sometimes) unneeded length being added to this already long series.






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