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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@ Dαrkrєrsŧ
 
I think the main reason why Sakura's development depends on the boys, is because that's the only place she's needed to grow and has experienced hardship at. Kishi portrayed her as a normal girl, the only "lost" she suffered was Sasuke leaving. Both her parents are alive and safe, while Ino just lost her father and is a third part of Ino-Shika-Cho. She's needed for them to complete their best attack and her teammates aren't always powering up every so often.

It only depends on the boys because she had no expectatives about herself, in part 1 she doubted about herslef and her inital goal was to win Sasuke's attention she didnt put much effort on the ninja way that's why she was pissed off about the fact Naruto and Sasuke had to fight to protect her, slowly she goes on the ninja path going though her rivalry with Ino and her determination reaching the pinnacle where she goes to train with Tsunade however not because she wanted to be a stronger ninja but to help Naruto, and that become her main objective on the story.

Ino lost her father and her teacher but she passed though stuff like hatred, revenge and gaining confidence by herself without having Naruto to make her feel better.

About "normal" girl Ino is also a normal girl too she didnt started with a baggage.
 

Sakura's main problem is not matching up to the boys. She made it her goal to be a worthy member of the team, not because she had to, but because she wanted to. She could have been satisfied with her current powers and the fact that she was able to heal the SA and keep Naruto alive, but she's not. Her combat abilities are lacking compared to Naruto and Sasuke and she is of no help atm.

her main problem is her wanting to match up with Naruto and Sasuke, but being trolled by Kishimoto at every turn, comparing with Ino, her skills complement with Choji and Shikamaru, Sakura had her healing ninjutsu to balance her team but then Kishimoto give some Op healing ninjutsus to Naruto thus making her healing skills currently useless for the team.

About the team, currently she has nothing to balance, neither something special or unique to her that makes her an interesting asset on her team.
 

Sasuke, Naruto, and Kakshi all had their own personal baggage that helped them grow, but Sakura didn't which is why her development is mainly based on T7.

The problem with Sakura is that while being on the T7 she doesnt get development to reach them, Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi all had hardships involving hatred, revenge and etc..
Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight against each other on stuff that Sakura doesnt understand and neither got development to get involved with this, it's like she's part of T7 and on the same time she doesnt.
She's likely going to support Naruto wish to be hokage because it's her goal and the fact it's Naruto and not because she went though her own development to be able to counter Sasuke's ideals.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 June 2014 - 12:22 PM.

[tekopi]

A question from me...

When Naruto said, "I do" was it that Sakura's expression were like a shocked person because she thought even Naruto deemed them useless and later got changed due to Naruto's words?

 

If Naruto didn't back his statement up, Sakura is.

[FireFox]

A question from me...

When Naruto said, "I do" was it that Sakura's expression were like a shocked person because she thought even Naruto deemed them useless and later got changed due to Naruto's words?

Here you go XD

Well you see when Naruto first says "I Do" she's shocked because she didn't expect of all the people Naruto to be the one to agree with Sasuke's philosophy i would say she felt betrayed  but that was not the case as we go to the next page Naruto refutes that completely and then you see Sakura teared up because she was relieved and  moved by Naruto's words because he supported them . It wasn't about she being there or hearing that P1 S/N talk it was about  Naruto's words what he meant they were still clear that's why she thanked him . 

[TsukiChan ♥]

680 <3

This chapter was amazing ^_^ and that NaruSaku part was even more amazing lol

I didn't quite understand the Sasuke part with the whole moving on his own but..

Sakura's headband just fell into the lava...

perfect opportunity for Naruto to compliment her forehead c: anyone else?

[Gravenimage]

I have a feeling the fandom will take Sasuke's because they hate Sakura and Kakashi. The irony of the western fans supporting the negative character over the positive one, while obviously the Japanese fans support Naruto.

[narusaku256]

 

If Naruto didn't back his statement up, Sakura is.

Oh alright..thanks

[narusaku256]

Here you go XD

Uh...did not get your response

 

Edit: Understood your response . Well, it was quite a natural reaction from Sakura's end. She teared up for Naruto 

Edited by narusaku256, 11 June 2014 - 12:21 PM.

[Gojira]

So it wasn't so much Sakura worrying about whether or not Sasuke cared about so much as it was leading to her getting worried that Naruto would act the same

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Western fan's hate Kakashi? What? -Had no clue-

I always thought he was popular here...'specially with the ladies 

[ioria]

I just hate when the hero gets power ups and everyone is like "ohhhhhh cool, man, you are amazing" all around.

[tekopi]

So it wasn't so much Sakura worrying about whether or not Sasuke cared about so much as it was leading to her getting worried that Naruto would act the same

 

In a way from today's chapter, it is. She's twitching more from him rather than from Sasuke.

[Nostradamus]

 

At first Sakura thought that Naruto agreed with him that is why she was shocked because that is not Naruto but in the next page Naruto refutes that by saying i understan what you are saying but my body moves on its own basically Naruto disagreed with Sasuke in here plus his expression itself tells you this not to mention how OOC is for Naruto to agree with Sasuke on this when the chapters before this he was lashing out on him for calling them useless . Oh well @Mangareader beat me to it .  

 

I will also say this again 

 

 I have to disagree with the general opinion that Naruto agreed that Sakura and Kakashi were useless that's not what he meant , what Naruto said is that he acknowledge that him and Sasuke are the Key Element to Kaguya's demise and that he understood why Sasuke "saved" Sakura and Kakashi that it was because of him that is why he said "I Do" . Naruto acknowledging that him and Sasuke are the answer to Kaguya's defeat doesn't mean him acknowledging that Sakura and Kakashi are useless if that was the case he wouldn't have been saying things like teamwork plus Naruto was pissed at Sasuke   .   

The situation is very simple to understand. Naruto agreed with Sasuke that Kakashi and Sakura are useless in this battle (for the moment hopefully that will change at least with Sakura) and they don't matter. However at the same time Naruto cares about Kakashi and Sakura, and will save them because he cares about them and he's not like Sasuke. Sasuke only saves people that he deems useful to him or his cause.

Edited by Nostradamus, 11 June 2014 - 12:34 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I am getting sick and kittening tired of waiting for Sakura to do something! Why couldn't she at least appear to be productive by trying to save herself or both Kakashi and Obito? But no, give it all to Kakashi, I mean it's not like Sakura needs more productivity than him . Kakashi saving her and holding her like she's worm bait on a fishing hook. ~Sigh~
 
Anyway, this was a pretty boring chapter. Just re-establishing that Sasuke doesn't give a kitten about Sakura. What's kittening new? Wasted panels. So utterly pointless.

tell me about it I mean come on Kishi let Sakura have a damn moment already, I mean we all get it SS is bad lets move on to Sakura kicking to butt already we know that you can do it, man I don't blame Sakura I blame Kishi right now he needs to work on Sakura not his boy toy Sasuke.

 

Who is Sakura going to get stabbed from this time? 

I just want ton know why he keeps going on and on about it she's been stabbed twice once by Madara another by Sasori.

 

I have a feeling the fandom will take Sasuke's because they hate Sakura and Kakashi. The irony of the western fans supporting the negative character over the positive one, while obviously the Japanese fans support Naruto.

lol well of course they will, they love Sasuke, they worship him all that he says is true as he is the mighty and grate Uchiha that is far better that Vegeta. And yes Many say that about Sasuke saying he is very grand and so better than Vegeta and many others from what I have heard.

[ioria]

I don't blame Sakura I blame Kishi right now he needs to work on Sakura not his boy toy Sasuke.

 

[FireFox]

Uh...did not get your response

 

Edit: Understood your response . Well, it was quite a natural reaction from Sakura's end. She teared up for Naruto 

Yep she did   

 

So it wasn't so much Sakura worrying about whether or not Sasuke cared about so much as it was leading to her getting worried that Naruto would act the same

It was never about that it all has to do with T7 and Sakura's self esteem about she being useful  not about Sasuke  i thought that should be clear by now .

 

The situation is very simple to understand. Naruto agreed with Sasuke that Kakashi and Sakura are useless in this battle (for the moment hopefully that will change at least with Sakura) and they don't matter. However at the same time Naruto cares about Kakashi and Sakura, and will save them because he cares about them and he's not like Sasuke. Sasuke only saves people that he deems useful to him or his cause.

For crying out loud men " I understand "and "I agree" is not the same there is a difference , Naruto said that he understand his POV not that he agreed with it his whole speech was him refuting Sasuke's POV and it was never about them being useless or not it was about Naruto not sacrificing his life for them which again he refute that completely  . Plus this does not fit well when one page before that he was impressed with Kakashi and praised him . You guys are making Naruto so OOC he would never agree to that why are you guys avoiding the previous chapters and the Kakashi thing in this one as well as Sakura's "Thank You" ?  

[tekopi]

I think this is where lies the difference between Kishi and most adventure-wise mangaka. He tends to take his story in the detail manner, as slow as possible, so that any development that he deems necessary for his characters is well understood. In a way, I feels like reading a novel. And this is for me, a unique way of his. If not, I don't think Naruto will take up for more then 10 years to have a complete circle. And unlike most mangas, he's basing his idea on cultural value/view. I don't know how to picture it, but it has something to do with effecting the flow and duration of the story.

 

We take Fairy Tail for an example. Although it includes mythical value, it is heavily favoring on the action and battle. The moment the character falls, their comrades will get a power up/step up for them. Take Wendy for an example. It did not take long for her to unlock her 'dragon-force' ability.

[tricksie]

It's disappointing that Sakura's storyline is so wrapped around her 'not being a burden' and 'having them watch her back' for a change. She makes strides, does the things that resolve that issue...and then in chapters like this its completely undermined. Last chapter he said she was dead weight, and instead of telling him off she just takes it and looks miserable. This chapter, Sasuke says that saving her and Kakashi was just part of the deal with saving Naruto, and he was going to let her die again by dropping into the lava. And again, Sakura never expresses her anger, only her tender appreciation for Naruto. Blech. 

 

Sasuke is literally saying, in the most overt ways yet in the manga, that she is a burden. He's not just going to kill her because she's a force to be reckoned with, he's going to let her die because she's beneath his notice.

 

It's so disappointing.

 

I think the stage is being set for Sasuke's redemption with this crap. Sakura has already attained her personal goal of saving them (although it was only for a little while in battle), so now all that's left is for Sasuke to fully acknowledge her.

 

I think Sasuke's going to save her in the end, at a time when she thinks that it really is the end for her, and she will be surprised, and Sasuke will say some junk like 'it's because we're teammate' or something. Or Naruto will sum up the whole situation by saying that Sasuke really loved Team 7 so much that he had to bury it so deep. So trying to kill them or let them die was really because he loved so much. Or some twisted logic like that.

 

The bad thing about all this is that Kishimoto is writing this from the standpoint that we're all going to be on board with Sasuke. Um...no one's one board with Sasuke. Making him a cruel sociopathic character and forcing Naruto and Sakura into this unhealthy obsession doesn't improve things. And redeeming Sasuke at the bitter end of the story isn't going to redeem him for me. (The same goes for Itachi: Kishimoto's redemption of Itachi hinges on his audience diminshing or forgetting altogether all the murders he's committed. And same goes for Obito.)

 

Kishimoto is taking a gamble that Sasuke's bad behavior is going to be swept away by the overwhelming power of a final acknowledging "Hn" in Sakura's direction, or Naruto's explanation of his reasoning. But I continue to dislike the way his character is being developed. And I continue to dislike the way Sakura and Naruto react to him. 

 

Undermining the main characters for the sake of Sasuke's redemption doesn't make me want to root for Sasuke. Again, I think Kishimoto like's him waaaay more than his readership does. 

 

edit: love Kakashi in this chap though. Can never have too much Kakashi.

[James S Cassidy]

Okay, I see where all the hate is coming from, but sadly I feel people forgot that again this is not Sakura's fight. I know people want Sakura to be more and punch out Kaguya or something, but I never expected that which I feel some people do.

"We want her to be useful and not just be a whipping girl."

Like Naruto, I understand what people mean by this, but reality is is that this was never meant to be Sakura's fight. It doesn't make her weak. That's just a product of you guys expecting something knowing full well it was going to be Naruto and Sasuke the one to finish the fight. Im sorry, but it is. I have said countless times that I never expected Sakura to fight this battle.

She is NOT the main character. This is NOT her story. It's supposed to be Naruto's story, but people are acting like Sakura should be the center of attention and fight all the battles winning them all. Whose name is on this manga? That's like reading a Superman comic and expecting Lois Lane to beat Brainiac.

Look at other Shonen just like this one: Ruroni Kenshin. Kaoru is a strong warrior that is the successor to her father's dojo, but she still gets kidnapped. She still gets her ass handed to her from time to time. She does fight other people, but they are merely mini-boss battles. Meanwhile Kenshin is fighting people like Lord Shishio. Did anyone here expect Kaoru to just come out of no where and start beating up Shishio?

So I guess this makes Kaoru weak right? I guess Kaoru is useless and pathetic because she can't beat Lord Shishio or even land a hit on him.

Look at Trigun with Vash and Meryll. Meryll has her moments in the sun and she can kick ass, but when it comes to major boss battles she is not even near them or she is in trouble where Vash has to save her. Does this make her weak? I get people want Sakura to do more. I get that we wanted to really see her push the limits of her abilities, but really this is the final boss battle more or less. It's not meant to be her victory.

Kishimoto made Hinata look so pathetic to where she actually has negative development. She gets taken out by a rock. A ROCK, but I don't see many of you complaining about that. I don't see many complain about how Ino hasn't developed at all either.

Really this chapter sums up this fanbase in a nutshell

You have the Sasukes who keep saying she is worthless and weak, she doesn't do anything, and she is better off somewhere else and then you have the Narutos who are saying "she is not useless or weak, but it's not her fight. She has done some great things and she has strived to be the best that she can. I love her for it even if she can't always stack up. Even if this can't do anything this fight it doesn't mean she is useless." Then you guys have the audacity to say "Well, we are not bashing." Yes, you are. You have done nothing, but bash her every step of the way in this war.

It's not enough that Sakura has done good things in her whole career....she has to do more. She has to punch out Cthulhu to prove her worth. I don't like Sakura because she was the best...I like Sakura because despite everything people put on her, she still manages to overcome. Yeah, she is emotional from time to time, but then again so is Sasuke and Naruto who probably are the biggest pansies in this entire manga. Should I fault them for it; every time Sasuke sulked over his brother or every time Naruto sulked over Sasuke?

You know, Kakashi and Obito were right: "Those who break the rules are trash, but those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash!"

I guess Sasuke is worse than trash since he is so willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to get what he wants. Even if that means the people who call him friend. Kind of funny how things come full circle and at one point in time Kakashi used to be just like Sasuke.
 

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

yep that is how I see it. *sigh*

 

It's disappointing that Sakura's storyline is so wrapped around her 'not being a burden' and 'having them watch her back' for a change. She makes strides, does the things that resolve that issue...and then in chapters like this its completely undermined. Last chapter he said she was dead weight, and instead of telling him off she just takes it and looks miserable. This chapter, Sasuke says that saving her and Kakashi was just part of the deal with saving Naruto, and he was going to let her die again by dropping into the lava. And again, Sakura never expresses her anger, only her tender appreciation for Naruto. Blech. 

 

Sasuke is literally saying, in the most overt ways yet in the manga, that she is a burden. He's not just going to kill her because she's a force to be reckoned with, he's going to let her die because she's beneath his notice.

 

It's so disappointing.

 

I think the stage is being set for Sasuke's redemption with this crap. Sakura has already attained her personal goal of saving them (although it was only for a little while in battle), so now all that's left is for Sasuke to fully acknowledge her.

 

I think Sasuke's going to save her in the end, at a time when she thinks that it really is the end for her, and she will be surprised, and Sasuke will say some junk like 'it's because we're teammate' or something. Or Naruto will sum up the whole situation by saying that Sasuke really loved Team 7 so much that he had to bury it so deep. So trying to kill them or let them die was really because he loved so much. Or some twisted logic like that.

 

The bad thing about all this is that Kishimoto is writing this from the standpoint that we're all going to be on board with Sasuke. Um...no one's one board with Sasuke. Making him a cruel sociopathic character and forcing Naruto and Sakura into this unhealthy obsession doesn't improve things. And redeeming Sasuke at the bitter end of the story isn't going to redeem him for me. (The same goes for Itachi: Kishimoto's redemption of Itachi hinges on his audience diminshing or forgetting altogether all the murders he's committed. And same goes for Obito.)

 

Kishimoto is taking a gamble that Sasuke's bad behavior is going to be swept away by the overwhelming power of a final acknowledging "Hn" in Sakura's direction, or Naruto's explanation of his reasoning. But I continue to dislike the way his character is being developed. And I continue to dislike the way Sakura and Naruto react to him. 

 

Undermining the main characters for the sake of Sasuke's redemption doesn't make me want to root for Sasuke. Again, I think Kishimoto like's him waaaay more than his readership does. 

 

edit: love Kakashi in this chap though. Can never have too much Kakashi.

Oh tell me about I mean, its what I fear the most Sasuke will get a free pass after all that he has done and as a reader I don't like it, I don't want Sasuke to get this free pass, Kishi needs to know that Sasuke is not all that great that he think that he is I mean many of the fans now Sasuke is an A** to everyone that is around him.

 

I mean it like with the whole bond that Naruto and Sasuke have the only reason he had them reincarnations was to show they are close, has I think he hates that we hate Naruto keep crying over Sasuke, so he tossed in that just to make a point.

[咲耶姫]

Then there is no need to type "Sakura is pissing me off" is there?

She did pissed me off in this chapter. Or more exactly, Kishi pissed me off in his way of writting Sakura's character, showing her as a useless character who can't do anything except crying and thinking about Sasuke and Naruto. But as I said in the post you quoted: "It was just a first chapter impression". Who never gave at least once his/her impression just after having readed a chapter and change his mind after a second read or cool down some times after? I didn't do anything wrong did I? And I'm not the only one who complained about it am I?