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#241 Atheck

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:15 AM

@atheck
I think kishi will use the same method against obito, by freeing the biju chakra from kaguya. Kaguya still strong since she still has the tree body, eye, and people chakra.

 

That sounds very likely but it's not too original. I think Kishi should paint Kaguya's downfall in a different manner that's befitting of the way she usurped authority over man and made them perceive her as a deity/demon. The people rise to overthrow the tyrannical grip of the being who went down a false path of illusion and ill-gotten gains so they can build towards achieving true peace. It's a possibility at least.

 

Kaguya's words this chapter imply that there's a second motive to the Mugen Tsukuyomi besides eternal bliss though. She wants to create an army for some as-of-yet unknown aim. If the world is already under her thumb, why would she need to build up an army? Or is she constructing these Zetsu for simple benefit of having servants to answer her orders? Maybe that was the Shinju speaking through her. By turning everyone into the same substance that Zetsu was made from, they would all share a direct connection to the progenitor of Zetsu and the construct of the elements. In a way, everyone would truly become one since they would be part of nature.   



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:17 AM

Dont know but i feel that Madara is still alive and will come out, i dont know if he's going to come out now to help Naruto and Sasuke or later to nerf Kaguya.
 

Kaguya's words this chapter imply that there's a second motive to the Mugen Tsukuyomi besides eternal bliss though. She wants to create an army for some as-of-yet unknown aim. If the world is already under her thumb, why would she need to build up an army? Or is she constructing these Zetsu for simple benefit of having servants to answer her orders? Maybe that was the Shinju speaking through her. By turning everyone into the same substance that Zetsu was made from, they would all share a direct connection to the progenitor of Zetsu and the construct of the elements. In a way, everyone would truly become one since they would be part of nature.

I also doesnt understand this too.
Didnt it was stated that she gave chakra to the people? so they didnt had chakra to begin with, how she would able to create an army by sucking chakra that didnt existedin first place.
ANd why the reason to turn people into zetsus to be her army in order to be one with nature since they're also part of nature already.

I dont know but the reasoning behind the main villain's plan are really stupid.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:29 AM

 

That's what makes it a real stretch for me to believe. Why doesn't any other Space-time jutsu have a range and why don't they have cool downs? Also, why didn't any other Rinnegan user use it before? And again, it still doesn't excuse him not using it while against Madara while Sakura was "distracting him." I could very well say it is not teleportation so much as it is invisibility with high speed and it would make just about as much sense as anything else.

The fact that people say it has a range and that it has a "cooldown" tells me it is not a teleportation at all.

This two facts is exactly what it makes it that its not a teleportation but something else , invisibility with high speed as you say makes more sense that it being a teleportation or as i like to call bending time and space like in DBZ but the fact that it has a range is what makes it not being a teleportation the most let alone when you add it the cool down factor also why does the Kamui which is teleportetion at it finest doesn't have this and yet the Rinengan who supposed to be the superior eye out of the two has this ?

 

Either way this is such an asspull power and its to convenient that Sasuke is the one who has it but Naruto who supposed to be at the speed level of Madara is made to look like he is in his based mode or doesn't even use that speed  , this is what irks me the most Kishi makes Naruto to appear so fast god level fast but at the very next minute he takes that away from him even the FTG and makes him look like slowpoke while giving all of  this to Sasuke NO! just NO! kitten you for this Kishimoto so much .   


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:32 AM

sakura dovakhiin? :smug:

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:38 AM

So we have two options now:

 

1. Either TNJ will be used.

2. Or Naruto and Sasuke will get new power ups.

 

They already had a hard time against Madara, and Kaguya is much stronger than him.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:46 AM

 

If Kishi was inspired by LOTR does that mean that little dragon is baby Smaug?

 

That baby Smaug is lovely.

 

Although baby Glaurung gives it a run for his money:

 

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Then Turin sprang about, and strode against him, and fire was in his eyes, and the edges of Gurthang shone as with flame. But Glaurung withheld his blast, and opened wide his serpent-eyes and gazed upon Turin. Without fear Turin looked in those eyes as he raised up his sword; and straightway he fell under the dreadful spell of the dragon, and was as one turned to stone. Thus long they stood unmoving, silent before the great Doors of Felagund. Then Glaurung spoke again, taunting Turin. 'Evil have been all your ways, son of Hurin,' said he. 'Thankless fosterling, outlaw, slayer of your friend, thief of love, usurper of Nargothrond, captain foolhardy, and deserter of your kin. As thralls your mother and your sister live in Dor-lomin, in misery and want. You are arrayed as a prince, but they go in rags. For you they yearn, but you care not for that. Glad may your father be to learn that he has such a son: as learn he shall.' And Turin being under the spell of Glaurung hearkened to his words, and he saw himself as in a mirror misshapen by malice, and he loathed what he saw.

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:48 AM

So we have two options now:
 
1. Either TNJ will be used.
2. Or Naruto and Sasuke will get new power ups.
 
They already had a hard time against Madara, and Kaguya is much stronger than him.

Hagoromo: Oh Nevermind, guys. You guys blow!

Well, we have to see how this all plays out. Right now, they're just witnessing her power. They have to get into formation to get themselves together. Edo can benefit now, especially if any of them can literally take the hit. I think this will be like rpg final boss: no ultra power-up, just teamwork.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:55 AM

This two facts is exactly what it makes it that its not a teleportation but something else , invisibility with high speed as you say makes more sense that it being a teleportation or as i like to call bending time and space like in DBZ but the fact that it has a range is what makes it not being a teleportation the most let alone when you add it the cool down factor also why does the Kamui which is teleportetion at it finest doesn't have this and yet the Rinengan who supposed to be the superior eye out of the two has this ?
 
Either way this is such an asspull power and its to convenient that Sasuke is the one who has it but Naruto who supposed to be at the speed level of Madara is made to look like he is in his based mode or doesn't even use that speed  , this is what irks me the most Kishi makes Naruto to appear so fast god level fast but at the very next minute he takes that away from him even the FTG and makes him look like slowpoke while giving all of  this to Sasuke NO! just NO! kitten you for this Kishimoto so much .   


Sorry if I'm intruding in the conversation but Ummmm.......concerning Sasuke's Rinnegan ability has anyone suggested it could be izanagi/izanami at the same time or a third technique similar to the two?? -_-

Let me explain lol though this is kinda complicated :D alright picture that you have Sasuke's Rinnegan, you are on a field standing by one of two trees in the whole field and a ninja launches a Jutsu at you.......

You use the Rinnegan and look over to where the other tree is at. With the Rinnegan you picture yourself or an object staying right by that other tree. The ninjas Jutsu lands on the tree you were first at but you were already at the other tree as if you were there all along......

Basically by using the Rinnegan you copy an image into your mind, then edit yourself or an object of your choosing into said image. With the sages power you rewrite reality as if you were at the second tree all along and not at the first, thus making your opponent attack something that was there before but now as if it never was.....

Izanagi works to make illusions into reality while izanami works to trap someone into an infinite loop until they prove that they have changed. This Rinnegan ability could be something that works on the same level as the two but without the restriction of losing the light of the eye as the price (blindness)

What do you think of this mad scientist crack pot theory?? :D lol

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:59 AM

You know what's crazy. The idea that Madara couldn't handle all those chakra to the point he almost died the same way as Cell, even though he completely cheat death in that moment. It goes to show you only Kaguya can handle it. Jesus...

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:00 PM

@ns4life
Well, that's sasuke for you.

@atheck
Yes, it's a possibility.
About zetsufication, I have no idea what it is about.

@ns256
That's why I call it short range teleportation or blink because it remind me with the ability from warcraft/dota.
Ftg need marking, destroy it then ftg become useless.
Sasuke jutsu doesn't need marking but it have short range.

@turrin
3. Seperate bijuu (and madara) it will greatly weaken her.

I believe narusasu will get power up, especially naruto.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:13 PM

Not as smart as Itachi?

 

This is his respond toward his brothers 'recent' development.

 

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And he thought better of Sasuke, supportive as any brother would do.  :chuckle:


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:14 PM

I do wonder what will happen now I mean just from looking at it Team 7 need help in order to beat Kaguya, all we can hope is that they find away to beat her and they need to do it fast as well now since the longer they take the more people will become White Zetsu's. (Which is still odd to me but I think Kishi may tell us why later on.)

 

I also wonder if Kishi has something planed for Sakura which I hope that he does or we will all be ticked off, I mean all this time he has been on and on about I don't know how to do females, and if he does a good job with Kaguya well I think that we all should be mad at him.

 

as for Obito well I think he may still have a part to play later on, and I fear some people will become White Zetsu's after all it may work on some fast than others, but I want to know what Kaguya is up to her plans and all that.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

Haha, I never thought Kishi would reference The Hobbit. I love how close Sakura and Naruto are on the cover, but it seems strange that she has her long hair. I love the axe though, hopefully it will make an appearance in the manga soon.

Someone mentioned Sakura might be the one to use the ninja tools now that Tenten is out of commission.

I don't understand why Kaguya needs an army, considering how strong she is and that it doesn't look like she has any enemies around, other than Team 7.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:23 PM

Sorry if I'm intruding in the conversation but Ummmm.......concerning Sasuke's Rinnegan ability has anyone suggested it could be izanagi/izanami at the same time or a third technique similar to the two?? -_-

Let me explain lol though this is kinda complicated :D alright picture that you have Sasuke's Rinnegan, you are on a field standing by one of two trees in the whole field and a ninja launches a Jutsu at you.......

You use the Rinnegan and look over to where the other tree is at. With the Rinnegan you picture yourself or an object staying right by that other tree. The ninjas Jutsu lands on the tree you were first at but you were already at the other tree as if you were there all along......

Basically by using the Rinnegan you copy an image into your mind, then edit yourself or an object of your choosing into said image. With the sages power you rewrite reality as if you were at the second tree all along and not at the first, thus making your opponent attack something that was there before but now as if it never was.....

Izanagi works to make illusions into reality while izanami works to trap someone into an infinite loop until they prove that they have changed. This Rinnegan ability could be something that works on the same level as the two but without the restriction of losing the light of the eye as the price (blindness)

What do you think of this mad scientist crack pot theory?? :D lol

Izanagi is the opposite its making reality into illusion you are correct about the Izanami though this , two jutsus falls under a genjutsu not space time so i find it highly unlikely this to be the case  what you are saying is that he creates an image of himself and teleports to that said image but how does that work in the first place what is the connection ? Minato had his chakra sealed in his Kunai an Image doesn't contain one's chakra for him to be able to teleport to it its just that an image an illusion genjutsu . It makes little to no sense to me no offense .


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:27 PM

What we need now is Mint Berry Crunch! Kaguya needs to have some berries and if that's not good enough, perhaps she wants it minty.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:28 PM

Not as smart as Itachi?

 

This is his respond toward his brothers 'recent' development.

 

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And he thought better of Sasuke, supportive as any brother would do.  :chuckle:

God SO6P bells you for this i feel exactly the same way  :cry:


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:31 PM

I know some people are thinking that Kishi broke conventions of preexisting story logic (again this time with how zetsu were created) but again, consider this:

 

According to black zetsu, white zetsu were created from people being in the IS long enough, this by all means could have happened in the distant past when Kagyua had the genjutsu up but it was stopped by unknown means. Most likely her sons stopped her.

 

What we were told before was that after his battle with hashirama, madara gained some of his DNA and years later managed to summon the gedo mazu from the moon. Because of hashirama's DNA, he was able to use this combined with the powers to the gedo mazu (it had a lotus flower chamber or so) he was able to use these to create an non-sentient clone of hashirama and as we have seen in the series, they possessed attributes to the wood style and as sakura discovered, hashirama's DNA. It was also because of the wood style remember, that like the shinju itself which could absorb chakra from anything, the senju wood style was capable of absorbing and suppressing tailed beast chakra.

 

So i think it comes out to this:

 

The Zetsu are created by means of artificial growth using DNA and the power of the gedo's lotus at least, or using humans as natural DNA source to convert them into white zetsu since like the latter, its all the same power but its greater since the shinju in this second case is fully restored.

 

The different types of zetsu (white, black, spiral) are the results of experimentation. White is the most common, spiral was otherwise as many guess, to have been madara's prototype. He did create black zetsu and for a time, yes black zetsu was actually his will. But because his will became influenced more and more by kagyua, eventually she was able to as many agree, manifest her will in black zetsu since black zetsu was by all means an extension of madara himself, think of it like this: Madara is himself, black zetsu is like a different clone of himself who always obeys. Because BZ was just a construct, not a real person, because kagyua resurfaced within madara when naruto hit him with the lava rasengan, she was able to emerge in him. This isnt the first time the will of one other has had another body to manifest themselves from, orochimaru did this through anko despite being sealed away by itachi.

 

So it still makes sense in that, yes black zetsu was made by madara, as were the rest. The presence of what can happen though to everyone in the genjutsu is that they literally will die because they wont even be themselves anymore.

 

It can be evenly assumed that madara (also maybe Obito himself) kept creating white zetsu for a time if the need for a great offense came (like the 4th war). The other is that, like kabuto, madara or obito could have covertly kidnapped many others around the world from time to time to create more. Maybe there were even leftover white zetsu from kagyua's time, so this could be a combination factor, with some leftover Madara was left to create others by means of just hashirama or covertly kidnapping others to form more white zetsu. Its because we know madara did make white zetsu, obito most likely joinied in. The fact of there having been 1000 year old zetsu waiting to be used, those created through Hashirama's DNA with the gedo lotus, and/or the same process of those trapped int he IS is occurring to make more but on a slower scale as what was happening right now are all viable. The last one may confuse you but it sort of could be say, while the shinju is doing its own work on them now, in this case before the shinju was made, perhaps kidnapped people were assimilated to the gedo lotus and this could have turned them into zetsu aside from the DNA growth one, remember yamato was assimlated to the gedo lotus but he lived because he was needed to empower the zetsu.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:35 PM

Still cheering because Hinata is not Kaguya reborn...

.. AND SHE WILL NEVER BE :th_yeah:


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:36 PM

^Make sense to me.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:44 PM

^ Eric Cartman's mum.

 

Anyway, I think Kaguya will be defeated by being blinded.

Every single eye of hers.


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