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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yet there's speculation that Tenten, the character whose status has largely been disregarded and handwaved for almost all of the manga, is priming the means to Madara's destruction behind the curtain as we speak (and she'll presumably not have any anxiety attacks around Madara like Sakura did despite being part of the same general age group and having close to the same amount of combat experience).
 
What kind of logic is it that could be used to justify a comparison of Sakura's status versus someone like Tenten's? You could say that it's a shining moment of importance that's been long overdue since her character has received very little panel time, but to have it be during this critical phase against the penultimate villain?

Tenten's speculations were based on a panel when Gai jumped off to fight Madara when she probably had picked up those tools however she uses the fan instead of a jar.
Anyway i'm not basing off in speculation because it's a fact that Sakura's character as a heroine got her role extremely emphasized on healing on basically all the times, she abdicated in fighting to heal as it's shown when Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura teams up to fight against the bijuu's and she is behind with the alliance with her healing the people.
It's shown over and over again that it's her job and not kicking ass everytime.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[Atheck]

Tenten's speculations were based on a panel when Gai jumped off to fight Madara when she probably had picked up those tools however she uses the fan instead of a jar.
Anyway i'm not basing off in speculation because it's a fact that Sakura's character as a heroine got her role extremely emphasized on healing on basically all the times, she abdicated in fighting to heal as it's shown when Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura teams up to fight against the bijuu's and she is behind with the alliance with her healing the people.
It's shown over and over again that it's her job and not kicking ass everytime.

True, it's more than just fighting. The importance lies in being present at the conflict, having a say, having a connection or motivation to drive you to become involved with the plot and characters, just being able to influence events in a manner that's befitting of a protagonist. We don't really see that part of Sakura too often though. She's always struck me as representing an intermediate stage between the K11 and Team 7. Her pedestal isn't as high as Naruto or Sasuke's, but it's generally more elevated compared to most of the K11's.

Acting the role of a healer can have its rewards but it doesn't reinforce that association with the reasoning that Naruto and Sasuke have for opposing Madara and his ideology. She's physically there but only out of personal loyalty to Naruto. She just doesn't have a personal stake in things. It's sad because there were occasions where she took the initiative and voiced her thoughts on the shinobi code of conduct and its implications for people of the profession on at least two different occasions. That's a core aspect to the conflict of the manga. The ideal scenario would have been to continue bringing up that side of her character and hope that she could make more of her belief like Naruto did; anything to distinguish her from being just another pillar supporting her teammate's bridge.

[rocci]

Naruto is and always a jinchuriki, it's his fighting style.
Gai will cripple like lee in part one, and maybe he will never become a ninja anymore.
I see naruto power as a super healing or something like that, but never on the scale to revive dead person.
Gai is not dead yet, since he has a left over chakra before naruto and his new power let him alive.
Sakura will gain power up, but not in this arc.
The battle with madara will end in the next volume. I predict this volume will deal with what can narusasu do.

[Namaenash]

Waiting years for a miserable hug is not worth it. Then again, I'm not reading this manga for pairings.

 

Romance subplot is always appreciated in a shounen manga, although it's not the main focus. I read Naruto back when I was in Japan, same goes with GTO (if I'm not mistaken, it was published starting from late 90s to 2002) and FMA (if I'm not mistaken, 2001 to 2010? I left Japan before it finishes), and many others...

 

You're entitled to your opinion, so if you find everything NS related is "miserable", by all means... My only request is for you not to spread your hate in this peaceful forum.

 

Having said that, I'll just enjoy the manga and go with the flow... For FMA, it takes almost a decade to finally see Ed and Winry together in the end. For GTO, unfortunately Onizuka and Azusa was left open ended. Same goes with Slam Dunk, which runs for few years with an open end. And many others...

 

My point is, if you think this manga is not worth the time, you always free to do something else. It is that simple. I'll end my comment here, if you want to debate further, please PM me instead.

 

Again, dont spread hatred and non-sense in this peaceful forum.

[soraandven]

This is nothing we haven't seen before, because she teared up when Naruto woke up during the Sai arc. Just like her speech during the CPR was nothing we hadn't seen before, because she said the exact same thing during the Chunin exams. In both situations, Sakura was in love with Sasuke, not Naruto.

All NaruSaku got out of this build up was the CPR itself and the parallel imagery, which have no substance. The CPR, as nice as it was, is not a real kiss and she did it for medical reasons. The parallel images are just... images. In other words, all NaruSaku got was irrelevant fluff.

you sound like an anti shipper

[soraandven]

Agreed, i dont understand this overreacting towards Sakura tearing she did it a lot thoughout the series it would be weid if she didnt, we didnt get any progress the last was her behavior towards Sasuke when he came to the battlefield.

 

 

Naruto got a sun and Sasuke got a moon.

Those guys are so going to be together, i'm not doubting that they will end as a couple in the end.

Since the message of the manga is destroyed the only think Kishi can do is to do something about same sex marriage rights or something like that.

dude are you kittening serious i know deep down you hate the story but saying kitten like that is ridiculous

[Gojira]

I wonder how Shikamaru gets the position of advisor. How did Shizune get it? Or is she just an attendant and not an advisor?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I knew for some time we were hoping for something more than what we read in the latest chapter in Naruto waking up.  However, in hindsight, it made perfect sense that the end result would be an immediate return to the battle.  However, Naruto and Sakura's interactions will continue.  While I found the moments in 662-663 very heartwarming, I have to agree with some that we have seen this before.  Besides a speculated opinion that Sakura's fear of Naruto dying has escalated with the current events, they haven't really made any progress.   Sakura supported Naruto's dream of being Hokage since Chuunin exams, but Naruto doesn't know any of it.  Naruto still believes that Sakura still undoubtedly loves Sasuke, unaware of her inner conflicts regarding her feelings.  I still believe Kishimoto purposefully made him unaware, such as he did with Sakura about Naruto's feelings for her.  Sai was the one who told Sakura about Naruto.  In the end, how will Naruto realize what Sakura has been going through regarding her inner struggles, and her shown displays of affection towards him?

 

I still believe Sakura will get at least one more comparison to Kushina, and a serious one at that.  We have seen plenty with Naruto as others have seen visions of Minato and Jiraya through him.   We had the one during the wind chakra training through Kakashi.  Another was during Pain arc, with the toads.  Of course, those moments served as plot points serving as how far Naruto is progressing in surpassing those before him, but one wasn't like that, and that was when Naruto and Kurama first used Bijuu mode.  Kakashi genuinely almost mistook Naruto for Minato during that moment.   I believe Sakura will get a similar moment like that, sooner or later.  It will most likely happen with Minato, as only he can make the comparison.  Well, Tsunade I believe could also make the comparison, but wouldn't have as much impact.  The circumstances leading to such a comparison, I have no idea of guessing how.  However, leaving the parallel as the instance in 631 is a little shallow.  I don't believe Kishimoto will leave it like that.

 

With the way things stand now, of course, I have doubts on whether Sakura will get anything more while Madara is around or afterwards, but Kishimoto has surprised us before.  It all goes along with what he has envisioned, whatever that may be.  We have Naruto confronting Madara feeling pretty invincible.  However, this must also apply to Sasuke.  I bet he's feeling pretty invincible himself.  Also Madara is not in the greatest of shape as he was initially after fighting Gai.  Applying all this, why should Naruto and Sasuke need to work together to fight Madara?  We can speculate Madara will get restored somehow, but that's all speculation.  Even if/when he gets the second eye, it won't grant him any more regenerative capabilities than before.  I believe this will be the diverging point in which Naruto and Sasuke's principles come to clash.  While Naruto would like to work together with Sasuke, Sasuke most likely feels differently.  Furthermore, with the power he's gained, Sasuke might decide that he doesn't need Naruto anymore, and tries to kill him, along with Madara.  The fact remains that is well within his character to do so.  We had his declaration of cutting off his past (Naruto), and destroying the old system (the Bijuus).  The problem before was that circumstances forced "cutting off his past" to wait, and he lacked the power to destroy the Juubi.  Now, he possibly has the power to do both at the same time, or at least, he thinks he does.

 

It will really be interesting if this happens,, because the two vs one that we thought would happen instantly becomes a three way.  Also, I mentioned that their ideals will clash.  While Sasuke would fight alone as the one with natural talent and power, Naruto would have those who support him provide support in some way.   Of course that would require the fight with Spiral Zetsu to be resolved, so some chapters may be dedicated to that as well soon.  However, like my previous speculations so far, this could turn out to be wrong too, but it would be fresh air away from standard two vs. one, and then one vs. one that you hear constantly in the threads here and other sites.

 

Also, I believe these power-ups will only be temporary.  They'll exist as long as they aren't exhausted.  After that, the power is lost forever.  Really, I can't imagine Naruto having "+" eyes forever, as that seems to be a side effect from receiving power from Hagoromo, along with the Sun sign on his right hand.  It's the same with Sasuke whatever his features might be.

[narusaku256]

 

Can someone help me and say how fast 8th gate Gai is when he can even distort space around him?

Or isn't that a matter of speed? Anyone with knowhow in physics?

 

Well, speed can technically distort space and time. If you apply relativity to space time, yes, space and time can both be distorted. Gravity can distort space and time. Even speed, that's the exact reason why we get a phenomenon of time dilation. Space and time are both like a river, they flow, they bend, sometimes they go slow, sometimes fast! And guess what, we can bend it too! So the answer to your question, Yes! Speed can distort space and time. But, here in Naruto's case I see it differently. We have not seen Naruto zapping like always while coming into normal dimension. So, I presume Naruto came right away when Madara said 'It distorted space' and its one of Naruto's powerups that now even he can travel through dimensions or else its Obito. Its not due to Gai's speed here. That's my theory on it

Edited by narusaku256, 10 April 2014 - 05:41 AM.

[LadyGT]

What were they paralleling here? Or why is Kushina and Hinata next to each other
here? Or that odd connection of Hinata meaning towards the sun or Sakura confessing to Sasuke during a crescent moon that is going rampant on tumblr at the moment?
 
Some of you take these parallels or similar positionings too seriously, only to dismiss it when it's not convenient for the pairing of choice. Sometimes a pumpkin is just a pumpkin, pointlessly existing. It doesn't have to transcend itself into a carriage and take the babe into the ball so she can marry the prince every time.
 

You know what also happened on that night? He rejected her.

Seriously you are giving me the feeling that you are one of those that gets too involved with overanalyzed theories. Just ignore them and enjoy what you like.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

True, it's more than just fighting. The importance lies in being present at the conflict, having a say, having a connection or motivation to drive you to become involved with the plot and characters, just being able to influence events in a manner that's befitting of a protagonist. We don't really see that part of Sakura too often though. She's always struck me as representing an intermediate stage between the K11 and Team 7. Her pedestal isn't as high as Naruto or Sasuke's, but it's generally more elevated compared to most of the K11's.

Acting the role of a healer can have its rewards but it doesn't reinforce that association with the reasoning that Naruto and Sasuke have for opposing Madara and his ideology. She's physically there but only out of personal loyalty to Naruto. She just doesn't have a personal stake in things. It's sad because there were occasions where she took the initiative and voiced her thoughts on the shinobi code of conduct and its implications for people of the profession on at least two different occasions. That's a core aspect to the conflict of the manga. The ideal scenario would have been to continue bringing up that side of her character and hope that she could make more of her belief like Naruto did; anything to distinguish her from being just another pillar supporting her teammate's bridge.

Yes, Sakura always lacked a theme of her own, i think she doenst have a clear dream of her own, she's there fighting but it saddens when you look that her teammates are going to fight around an issue she has no clue about.

[shisui]

I'm confused or maybe I wasn't clear in that post.

I agree he should have died. That it was I mean. I was enjoying the chapter until Naruto showed up and saved him. Everything from Naruto's entrance to the end of the chapter was crap. Gai's rescue included.

So, I'm clear, did you think the whole chapter was bunk or just Naruto saving Gai forward?

I agree with you. Madara acknowledging defeat was amazing. He doesn't give out the praise easily. Gai could have gone, at the end of the springtime of his youth. I think it would have been more acceptable if someone else saved Gai (Tsunade by using research, or Sakura with similar reasons). It's just like luffyq1 put it. Messiah Naruto should have not interfered. The amount of power ups and the amount of miracles is ridiculous.

Gai sacrificed himself to prove a point. That endurance and hardwork can make a difference and that it can help. Even if Madara regenerates all that damage, it still means that Gai bought them time. However, with Naruto fixing everything and saving him through a power that was bestowed onto him because of destiny nullifies that sacrifice. In the end, endurance and hardwork proved nothing, because who saved the day was still Naruto with his cheap power ups.

I won't like if Gai becomes a cripple. I'm sure he shares that sentiment with me, he'd rather go in a blaze of glory then be incapable of fullfilling his purpose. There could be a similar scenario in part 1, a risky procedure that he won't be sure he should take, and Lee giving him courage and coming full circle. Even so, Naruto shouldn't have played any role in it.
 

You're entitled to your opinion, so if you find everything NS related is "miserable", by all means... My only request is for you not to spread your hate in this peaceful forum.

What I said was that waiting ten years for a hug or a CPR kiss is not worth it. This is not hatred. This is pointing out that my expectations are not that low.
 

My point is, if you think this manga is not worth the time, you always free to do something else.

I may be free to do something else, but you're free to read my post next time.

What I said was that the hug and the CPR kiss is not worth reading this manga for. I'm not sure what kind of boring life I would have to lead to find that worthy waiting for after reading this manga for so long and for so many chapters.

What I also said was that I'm not reading this manga for pairings. Nowhere did I say reading the manga wasn't worth it. You're overlapping my opinion on two very different things.

you sound like an anti shipper

I try my best.

While I found the moments in 662-663 very heartwarming, I have to agree with some that we have seen this before.

Careful there. You may be accused of being an anti-shipper if you go on like this. HAHAHA!

Also, I believe these power-ups will only be temporary. They'll exist as long as they aren't exhausted. After that, the power is lost forever.

I agree with this. From Naruto's words, he sounds like a god, and we can't have that (or I hope we can't have that). The symbols on their hands will probably fade once they exhausted that power.

You know what also happened on that night? He rejected her.

What night? Hinata wasn't rejected.

Seriously you are giving me the feeling that you are one of those that gets too involved with overanalyzed theories. Just ignore them and enjoy what you like.

You got it backwards. I'm saying panel placement is meaningless and that people give too much importance to these nonsense theories.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What I said was that the hug and the CPR kiss is not worth reading this manga for. I'm not sure what kind of boring life I would have to lead to find that worthy waiting for after reading this manga for so long and for so many chapters.

Highschool DxD 3 season and To Love Ru Darkness continuation.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2014 - 11:32 AM.

[ioria]

This manga doesn't make sense to me anymore.

If Naruto and Sasuke were intended to be VIP reincarnation from the beginning, why Kishimoto bothered with all the "destiny can be reversed" thing?

Ok, Naruto will somehow stop the Indra-Ashura war circle, I get it.. but still.. it just feels wrong.

Also, I can't understand Neji dying like a martyr, because that was the same "fate" his father followed by free will.

It's just ugly to me , way too many opposing messages.

[Nostradamus]

This manga doesn't make sense to me anymore.

If Naruto and Sasuke were intended to be VIP reincarnation from the beginning, why Kishimoto bothered with all the "destiny can be reversed" thing?

Ok, Naruto will somehow stop the Indra-Ashura war circle, I get it.. but still.. it just feels wrong.

Also, I can't understand Neji dying like a martyr, because that was the same "fate" his father followed by free will.

It's just ugly to me , way too many opposing messages.

Because Part 1 was planned however when it comes to part 2 of the story Kishimoto is just winging it. He just knows the ending of his story and the rest he's making it up as he goes. And hopes that somehow it will all connect with the end seamlessly. 

[tricksie]

I don't think we're going to get a straightforward NS moment after NS recovery in the next chapters, even in flashback. (Possibly at the end though, in a big flashback acknowledging how Naruto has always cared for her.)

 

Instead, I think maybe NS might be paralleled in a discussion between Sakura and Obito. Him recognizing Rin in Sakura, and Sakura recognizing how you do things and change yourself for the one you love. Something like that.

 

I think there is a greater chance of a Obi/Rin-Naru/Saku parallel than there is a straight-up NS interaction (in flashback) in the upcoming chapters. I think leaving Sakura (Rin's parallel) with Obito (Naruto's parallel) sets it up. I think it's highly likely now that Naruto has gone back into the fight and left them alone to talk.

 

Just curious, which would you rather see: An NS flashback of the moment of his recovery, or an Obito/Sakura discussion about love, loss and the future?

[Luna]

I don't think we're going to get a straightforward NS moment after NS recovery in the next chapters, even in flashback. (Possibly at the end though, in a big flashback acknowledging how Naruto has always cared for her.)
 
Instead, I think maybe NS might be paralleled in a discussion between Sakura and Obito. Him recognizing Rin in Sakura, and Sakura recognizing how you do things and change yourself for the one you love. Something like that.
 
I think there is a greater chance of a Obi/Rin-Naru/Saku parallel than there is a straight-up NS interaction (in flashback) in the upcoming chapters. I think leaving Sakura (Rin's parallel) with Obito (Naruto's parallel) sets it up. I think it's highly likely now that Naruto has gone back into the fight and left them alone to talk.
 
Just curious, which would you rather see: An NS flashback of the moment of his recovery, or an Obito/Sakura discussion about love, loss and the future?

I would rather see Obito/Sakura interaction because I think I would reveal so much more of Sakura's thoughts. I mean we all know Naruto's thoughts on Sakura but we haven't seen Sakura's thoughts about Naruto besides the "Confession". A flashback isn't going to satisfy me unless he makes it a long one.

Edited by Baka chan, 10 April 2014 - 04:31 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I don't think we're going to get a straightforward NS moment after NS recovery in the next chapters, even in flashback. (Possibly at the end though, in a big flashback acknowledging how Naruto has always cared for her.)

 

Instead, I think maybe NS might be paralleled in a discussion between Sakura and Obito. Him recognizing Rin in Sakura, and Sakura recognizing how you do things and change yourself for the one you love. Something like that.

 

I think there is a greater chance of a Obi/Rin-Naru/Saku parallel than there is a straight-up NS interaction (in flashback) in the upcoming chapters. I think leaving Sakura (Rin's parallel) with Obito (Naruto's parallel) sets it up. I think it's highly likely now that Naruto has gone back into the fight and left them alone to talk.

 

Just curious, which would you rather see: An NS flashback of the moment of his recovery, or an Obito/Sakura discussion about love, loss and the future?

 

Since he's already skipped it I don't think I'd want Kishimoto to go back to the recovery scene through a flashback. I don't know, it seems like it would feel thrown together to do it that way, but I suppose it would depend on how it were done. I'm not very keen on more parallels -- but let's face it they are going to keeping on coming -- and a discussion between Sakura and Obito could potentially reveal quite a lot about what Sakura thinks and feels, as Baka chan said above, which would be good as Sakura's feelings always seem to be in such doubt.  

[ioria]

[..hopes that somehow it will all connect with the end seamlessly.]

 

 

I pray Kishimoto every night for my prediction to be proved wrong, because it's way too cheap 

[HauntedCake]

Highschool DxD 3 season and To Love Ru Darkness continuation.