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[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think they're that close. Neji is her niisan. :3

Point taken.

[FireFox]

 

What do you think about when you say he was the one who made her doubt in the first place ?

I don't remember such thing.

 

I genuinely think that Sasuke back then really felt links with Naruto and Sakura.

I'm not saying he loved her, but please it was obvious he was growing his feelings for her and Naruto.

That time, back then, he was genuinely thinking about Sakura well-being.

I'm sure of it.

Naruto Ch 34 Pg 7/8

 

Its funny how Naruto does the opposite of what Sasuke did don't you think ?

 

Care for a teammate doesn't equal feelings of "LOVE" just so we are clear

[Hanabi]

Naruto Ch 34 Pg 7/8

 

Its funny how Naruto does the opposite of what Sasuke did don't you think ?

 

Care for a teammate doesn't equal feelings of "LOVE" just so we are clear

I used to see that as a setup for Sakura to develop from the jutsu-less genin to a chunnin with jutsu.. I wonder why Kishi bother to draw these negative stuff and doesn't bother to develop her, like at least give one jutsu of her own in shippuden.. even though right after these pages she shown some ability to dispell genjustsu.. and one tiny mention of it at the start of shippuden.. it still make her featless jutsu-wise and didn't redeem these negative pages.. Like some anti-sakura people says, kishi repeatedly says 'he's not good with girls' and then he just let it go, that doesn't make the neglect of sakura any better.

 

/rant

Edited by Hanabi, 22 February 2014 - 09:15 PM.

[tricksie]

To be fair with SasuSaku believers, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura sometimes in the past.

He was the one that gave her confidence to go through the exams.

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

 

It's not really canon love but he did saw through her and helped her to feel better.

 

And at that time too he seemed to care about her

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-55.html

 

I think Sasuke is a very secret guy, that's why he doesn't often tell this kind of things.

Moreover, he's broken.

During almost the whole story, he was possessed by evil.

 

Maybe if he has never been cursed by Orochimaru, maybe he would have continued to grow his link with Sakura (and Naruto of course).

 

It's undeniable that Sasuke cared for them both.

And maybe he could have develop some romantic feelings for Sakura... we don't really know.

 

I guess that's why some fans still believe in SasuSaku.

 

I agree. When you jump in the way-back machine and go to the beginnings of the manga, there are some really tender illustrations of Sasuke and Sakura, including Sasuke being protective of Sakura and responding to her as a teammate. It's there, in black and white. And while rereading it a while back, I was thinking about the manga as if I was a SS shipper, and it's not a stretch to see it.

 

So I tend to give SS shippers a pass when it comes to holding on to their ship. At least Kishimoto drew a foundation for it. And it seems like SS shippers aren't as acidic to NS shippers as other *cough, cough* ships are (I might be wrong tho, just seems like that to me).

 

(Of course, let me make the disclaimer that now NH does have a foundation in the manga, with all the handholding language/illustrations. So while SS has drifted away from being a possibility, NH has only come closer to being a possibility.)

 

And it is interesting to think of how Sasuke might have turned out if he had stayed. And I think that's what Kishimoto is trying to make the audience see by having Sasuke compete with Naruto for Hokage. What if Sasuke was a good guy? That makes the competition that much tougher.

 

And as far as SS or NH being finished, I wouldn't write anything off yet, no matter how much proof there is. Not because the proof isn't good enough, but because Kishimoto has no qualms about throwing a wrench in things. 

 

One thing is for certain, Kishimoto thinks higher of Sasuke than most of his audience does. And since he has not bumped Karin up to a "serious" love interest, instead still having her act goofy and weird, not heroic, there's still the outside possibility that he could revisit SS in some form. The door is still open.

 

But after this chapter, I think the stage is set for the demise of Obito and Madara — with Obito's power/chakra/nindo/whatever going to save Naruto and thereby redeemeing himself, while Madara's power goes to Sasuke — with Sakura being instrumental in the rise of Naruto and Karin (and Team Not 7) with Sasuke. Then the end becomes Naruto and Sasuke battling for control of Konoha and the ultimate decision of which of the Sage's paths is better, power or peace. 

 

It will be interesting to see Naruto inherit the good part of the Uchiha, first from Itachi then from Obito, while Sasuke inherits Madara's will and the anger and hatred of the Uchiha (of course, that's care of Itachi too). It's a continuation of Hashirama vs. Madara, plus so much more.

[sushi.]

^I would say Karin was very heroic in the latest chapters. The rest I pretty much agree with.

[KnS]

I wonder if we will get to see any demons in chapter 666.... get it? 666, demons? lol!

 

Maybe a crossover with Oshikuru: Demon Samurai?      (That's a joke for Chuck Lorre fans.)

 

Damn it, you beat me to this...... Kudos to you.

 

I thought for sure someone would beat me to it.  I wanted to respond when I was at work, but external FTP is blocked so I had to wait until I got home to upload the GIF.  So you had a fair chance.  ; )

 

 

I know that some people will not agree with me, but Sasuke has genuinely cared for both Naruto and Sakura in part one. Many people say, that he only cared about himself but I think that is not completely true.

It's undeniable that Sasuke cared for them both.

And maybe he could have develop some romantic feelings for Sakura... we don't really know.

 

I agree.  Sasuke did care about both of them; he said so himself during the fight with Gaara.  In fact, it was his growing bond with his team members that caused Sasuke to sever his relationship with them.  

 

Team 7, including Kakashi, and the feelings of belonging and unity they were inspiring in Sasuke were a distraction from what he wanted most -- to avenge his family and clan by killing Itachi.  That goal, and the power required to achieve it, was Sasuke's priority and he sacrificed whatever normal life and relationships he might have had for the sake of revenge.

 

I personally draw the line before speculating on any possible romantic feelings for Sakura.  Even in his very best moments, Sasuke displayed no positive interest in Sakura.  He cared about her as a teammate and human being, but that's not the same as being attracted to her as a potential mate/girlfriend.  He tolerated her, and appreciated her concern for him.  

 

But to suggest he might have developed any romantic love for Sakura is a huge leap for which there is absolutely no evidence in the manga.  It's just as easy to speculate -- and likely to happen -- that Kishimoto will make Sasuke an astronaut by the end of the series.  Both ideas have the same amount of foundation and foreshadowing.

 

The saddest part is is some of our own fans purposely going out and find these ridiculous theories and then sweating over it like they are correct. I ask why some of you do it and you say "for fun." Well I don't find fun in searching for stuff only to have fear put in me. "Well, they have a good point." Yeah, I can make anything sound like a good point with enough research and big words. That doesn't mean they are correct.

 

I agree.  Why seek out reasons to worry?  Reasons that are nothing more than stretch theories?  *sigh*

[FireFox]

I used to see that as a setup for Sakura to develop from the jutsu-less genin to a chunnin with jutsu.. I wonder why Kishi bother to draw these negative stuff and doesn't bother to develop her, like at least give one jutsu of her own in shippuden.. even though right after these pages she shown some ability to dispell genjustsu.. and one tiny mention of it at the start of shippuden.. it still make her featless jutsu-wise and didn't redeem these negative pages.. Like some anti-sakura people says, kishi repeatedly says 'he's not good with girls' and then he just let it go, that doesn't make the neglect of sakura any better.

 

/rant

Well usually when Kishi highlights something more then once like Sakura's affinity to Genjutsu that usually means sooner or later he's gonna resolve that part i guess in this case it would be later , if there is one thing we know about Kishi is that he never forgets to finish  things that are unresolved and bring resolution to them especially now that we are almost at the end of the manga , he did that a couple of times in this war arc i can't remember all of them but those that came up  are the Naruto's and Sasuke's wind and fire affinity and recent callback scenes from P1 and P2 so Sakura's Genjutsu thing it's bound to happen . Also Kishi may not be the best when it comes to writing female characters but he certainly isn't the worst either i would say he's better then most writers average maybe but considering this mostly is a manga meant for teenage boys i guess he's not that bad with female characters created like Kushina , Sakura , Tsunade , Mei and Ino (i have to say i love her development in this war arc) its not like he neglects females completely or doesn't have any respect for them in this manga after all he did give the position of Kage to two females , but i agree he could have done a better job with all of them especially Sakura heck even Naruto the main character isn't given many jutsus so i'm like mehhh about this and always hope for the best     .

 

And Sakura haters well what can i say they think that Hinata would do a better job than Sakura as a medic or as a fighter or that she's a more well written character then her yeah right  , so i'm like whatever with them  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 22 February 2014 - 10:19 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto Ch 34 Pg 7/8

 

Its funny how Naruto does the opposite of what Sasuke did don't you think ?
 
Care for a teammate doesn't equal feelings of "LOVE" just so we are clear

Sorry but i dont get what you're trying to imply here.
Heroines doesnt mean just to get cherished by all times, what Sasuke did wasnt on hate or being a jerk towards her, he just pointed out the truth, guys like him do this all the time when the heroine is a dere.
I can even give you the names of those mangas and etc...
On this scene while Naruto tried to get her up, Sasuke made her face up the truth that instead of chasing him everywhere she should be training to be a better ninja.



What lacked from Sasuke and what lacks from Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 February 2014 - 10:28 PM.

[Awes9]

There's nothing between Sakura and Sasuke outside of team 7, Sakura was the easiest bond for Sasuke to forget and now she's not at all on his radar. It has been almost 500 chapters since Sakura and Sasuke had a positive interaction which means the great part of the manga, you could have replaced Sakura with an other fangirl and the result would be the same. At this point in the manga the only thing Sakura and Sasuke have in common is Naruto.

So I tend to give SS shippers a pass when it comes to holding on to their ship. At least Kishimoto drew a foundation for it. And it seems like SS shippers aren't as acidic to NS shippers as other *cough, cough* ships are (I might be wrong tho, just seems like that to me).

SS is the pairing with the least foundation in this manga, it all happened in part 1 and part 1 is just a tiny part of the manga. As for the comment of the SS fandom you are quite wrong about it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

There's nothing between Sakura and Sasuke outside of team 7, Sakura was the easiest bond for Sasuke to forget and now she's not at all on his radar. It has been almost 500 chapters since Sakura and Sasuke had a positive interaction which means the great part of the manga, you could have replaced Sakura with an other fangirl and the result would be the same. At this point in the manga the only thing Sakura and Sasuke have in common is Naruto.
SS is the pairing with the least foundation in this manga, it all happened in part 1 and part 1 is just a tiny part of the manga. As for the comment of the SS fandom you are quite wrong about it.

I think people are entitled to their opinion but i'll leave mine, i think it has a foundation on the begining of the manga because Sasuke was the objective she pursued, she wanted to be acknowledged by him, and then they become teammates and she started to know more about him, most of the scenes that people point out as Sasuke being a jerk, is perfectly normal, however since the meeting with Orochimaru everything changed and Sasuke cared more about revenge.
In the end he choose his revenge instead of Sakura however he didnt acknowledged her but also in 600+ chapters Naruto also didnt acknowledged Sakura either, on while Sakura showed to Naruto that Sasuke was her happiness on which he wanted to protect, meanwhile Sakura wanted to bring Sasuke back because of her happy memories and because she didnt realized that there are other things that make her happy.
Her flaw is the same as Obito.

For me SS currently is dead because Sasuke wont acknowledge Sakura on the way she wanted on the past and the conflict she seems to have resolved by now.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 February 2014 - 10:38 PM.

[sushi.]

^What manga is that, Darkrerst? Nice artstyle :3

 

I also believe NH has the weakest foundation in the manga, not SS.

Edited by sushi., 22 February 2014 - 10:44 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^What manga is that, Darkrerst? Nice artstyle :3
 
I also believe NH has the weakest foundation in the manga, not SS.

The Sacred Blacksmith.
BTW it's incomplete and the plot inst good but at least it taught me about "Jerks" and "heroines".

The first panel shows why Sasuke didnt praised Sakura when he talked about her abilities if Kishi did so, SS would have been canon.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 February 2014 - 10:49 PM.

[Otaru]

Late but I would say yes, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura, but at what level. It never gotten further and that's the problem. Honestly, the solution to keep it credible is believe it or not, stop developing the bonds between Naruto and Sakura. This is where the problem lies and once the bonds continue to develop, then it's clear that the intention wasn't the former.

 

I agree with you but I think other fandoms will always use those small things to fuel their favourite pairing.

 

 

Naruto Ch 34 Pg 7/8

 

Its funny how Naruto does the opposite of what Sasuke did don't you think ?

 

Care for a teammate doesn't equal feelings of "LOVE" just so we are clear

 

Ah true I forgot about that.

Just for me to be clear, I DON'T think Sasuke loved her !

Not at all ! LOL

 

I was just saying that SasuSaku fans have some fuel to believe because of that past.

 

Sasuke has been nice to Sakura sometimes, and I think he cared for her.

I think it was totally friendly though. !! not romantic at all !

But since Sakura loved him back then, some fans may have wanted Sasuke to love her too.

We have felt the same about Naruto and Sakura.

 

I'm just trying to understand other's opinion ^^ that's all.

 

Although, I have to admit that they are pretty delusional. To me, it's still obvious that Kishimoto is going NaruSaku route. Even if some time I doubt because of his trolling ^^'

Edited by Otaru, 22 February 2014 - 11:03 PM.

[TacticalFox88]

I still can't wait for the day of canon confirmation.

 

I know this site will probably be flooded in traffic. 

[KnS]

The way I see it, both NH and SS are evenly dead, and for the same reason:  one side of the so-called "relationship" has no reciprocal romantic feelings.  That's it.

 

Whether or not Sasuke ever helped Sakura, or acknowledged her, or whatever -- is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.  It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he has interest in her as a girlfriend.  

 

Acknowledgement and/or support is not love.  Naruto has repeatedly acknowledged, supported, and encouraged Hinata, but that hasn't changed his feelings about her or advanced their relationship in the romantic sense.  He still loves Sakura.

 

In the most basic sense, NH and SS are mirrors of each other and meant to demonstrate relationships that are unworkable and doomed to never materialize because they are unbalanced and built on unrealistic expectations or perceptions.  

 

NS, meanwhile, is the real deal.  Both Naruto and Sakura are learning about life and each other as they stumble blindly down the road to true love.

Edited by KnS, 23 February 2014 - 03:35 AM.

[sushi.]

Yes ^ =)

Acknowledgement and/or support is not love.  Naruto has repeatedly acknowledged, supported, and encouraged Hinata, but that hasn't changed his feelings about her or advanced their relationship in the romantic sense.  He still loves Sakura.

And to be fair, Naruto has also repeatedly acknowledged, supported, and encouraged Sakura. It just took her a while to see him. If you look at the panel of ch34 Narutofireuzumaki posted, both Naruto and Sasuke tried to cheer up Sakura. But back then she only had eyes for Sasuke.

[FireFox]

Sorry but i dont get what you're trying to imply here.
Heroines doesnt mean just to get cherished by all times, what Sasuke did wasnt on hate or being a jerk towards her, he just pointed out the truth, guys like him do this all the time when the heroine is a dere.
I can even give you the names of those mangas and etc...
On this scene while Naruto tried to get her up, Sasuke made her face up the truth that instead of chasing him everywhere she should be training to be a better ninja.



What lacked from Sasuke and what lacks from Naruto.

 

What i was trying to imply is the approach of Sasuke instead of that of Naruto wile Sasuke isn't willing to train with her and help her Naruto is since that's what i think was the meaning behind those words besides other things that's all . But the effect of what Sasuke said to her didn't encourage her to get better it only put her down she faced that reality when she saw Naruto all beat up in the hospital ultimately it was Naruto's efforts/actions that made her do that i think P1 is full of this ? And it's not like Naruto hasn't said to Sakura how great he thinks she is in P1 and P2 (once i think after KN4 ) but i guess its still not on the level that is put on the scans you showed but i think that's gonna happen when either Sakura or Naruto confess that's my guess.     

[Awes9]

I think people are entitled to their opinion but i'll leave mine, i think it has a foundation on the begining of the manga because Sasuke was the objective she pursued, she wanted to be acknowledged by him, and then they become teammates and she started to know more about him, most of the scenes that people point out as Sasuke being a jerk, is perfectly normal, however since the meeting with Orochimaru everything changed and Sasuke cared more about revenge.
In the end he choose his revenge instead of Sakura however he didnt acknowledged her but also in 600+ chapters Naruto also didnt acknowledged Sakura either, on while Sakura showed to Naruto that Sasuke was her happiness on which he wanted to protect, meanwhile Sakura wanted to bring Sasuke back because of her happy memories and because she didnt realized that there are other things that make her happy.
Her flaw is the same as Obito.

For me SS currently is dead because Sasuke wont acknowledge Sakura on the way she wanted on the past and the conflict she seems to have resolved by now.

Beginning of the manga, part 1, chapter 181 and we are in chapter 665. I don't see what's perfectly normal about insulting someone and I'm sorry you're not going to change my opinion on that. She knows little about him and she understands little about him.

He cared more about revenge but he still can't cut his bond with Naruto, that's where lies the difference between her and Naruto, I didn't say they hadn't a bond I said she was the easiest to get over and the manga is proof enough, whatever little bond they had it died in part 1. Naruto is a visual medium look at the difference between his reactions towards Naruto and Sakura, when it's Naruto he gets an emotional reaction but when it's Sakura it's total apathy, when he tried to kill her 2 times there was nothing but indifference.

 

For me SS never existed to begin with it was only about Sakura and I'm almost sure the drama about Sakura's feelings isn't over, they will be brought up again but I hope next time it will be to give the coup de grace once and for all.

 

As for the comparison between NH and SS I again disagree since part 2 began SS has been all about Sakura angsting crying trying to kill him not trusting him and Sasuke not giving two kittens about her. Whereas in NH there's a progression albeit non romantic but progression nonetheless, Hinata finally confessed her feelings Naruto aknowledged her bravery, she gave him a peep talk which helped him to get out of his despair and Naruto thanked her for that ; sure that's not a lot but that's already more than SS and at least it's positive development, can't say the same about SS which is all negative, NH friendship is better than one sided negative feelings, lack of trust murder attempts...

 

I don't get why people still brings part 1 to defend SS, part 1 is over since almost 500 chapters, and you know a lot of things changed.

Edited by Awes9, 22 February 2014 - 11:27 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What i was trying to imply is the approach of Sasuke instead of that of Naruto wile Sasuke isn't willing to train with her and help her Naruto is since that's what i think was the meaning behind those words besides other things that's all . But the effect of what Sasuke said to her didn't encourage her to get better it only put her down she faced that reality when she saw Naruto all beat up in the hospital ultimately it was Naruto's efforts/actions that made her do that i think P1 is full of this ? And it's not like Naruto hasn't said to Sakura how great he thinks she is in P1 and P2 (once i think after KN4 ) but i guess its still not on the level that is put on the scans you showed but i think that's gonna happen when either Sakura or Naruto confess that's my guess.

I think you missed the point.
If Sasuke praised her she would be acknowledged thus making impossible for Sakura to move on because she got what she wanted from Sasuke, in a way he told her the truth and that she should be.

However on Naruto's case on the hospital, it encouraged her but those moments arent about encouraging, because despite that Sakura still felt she was weak and the things she does is useless, what Naruto and Sasuke missed is the fact that they didnt acknowledged Sakura, they never did it, becuase if Naruto acknowledged her she would accept and see herself as a strong shinobi rather than just keep pointing out her flaws and mistakes, which she did thoughout the part 2.
That's the moment Kishi avoided between Naruto and Sakura, after the summit was the perfect opportunity for that and even during the hospital after Sasuke's chase, Naruto had many many moments to acknowledge Sakura but Kishi simply didnt.


@Awes9.
That didnt prevented her from kept calling off she still loved Sasuke didnt she thoughout the whole part 2.
You can claim whatever you want but Sasuke wanst a jerk at all times and Sakura loved the Sasuke he once was and this Sasuke was linked towards her happiness which is team 7.
You can even read her confession towards Sasuke which proves the point, she never wanted to bring Sasuke back for him but rather for her own motives she was selfish during her confession and during the POAL on which she admitted and it's perfectly normal for a 12 years old girl.

Also the current chapters are showing nothing other than her usual worrying about Naruto on which we saw this whole story, i'm looking forward to which decision she made during the love ninja moment.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 February 2014 - 11:31 PM.

[Hiraishin]

@ramenanmitsu NarutoFireFoxUzumaki covered most of what I wanted to say about Sasuke putting her down then later complimenting her (I especially like how he pointed out that Naruto took the right approach - helping her train rather than simply telling her she sucked). Imo, the fact that he was the one who made her upset in the first place sort of cancels out the compliment. It was the truth, sure, but Sakura was a delicate individual with low self-esteem, he could have handled it better. And it's not like what he said helped her. She just got depressed, instead of wanting to improve. If he truly cared, he wouldn't have so casually broken her self-confidence in the first place, and if he really wanted her to improve, he could have trained with her and helped her get better. Although I'm not disagreeing that Sasuke did care about her (and Naruto) in part one. He certainly did.

That out of the way...

I agree with the rest of your post, especially point two. I've always thought about that. Sakura cares too much about Naruto to knowingly hurt him like that. And yeah, Sasuke doesn't need nor want a partner.