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[redragon88]

look what i found...  http://25.media.tumb...bjvqo1_1280.jpg i guess they really are trying to use this panel as evidence

 

Weren't people here saying the other day that they didn't like Naruto talking about his ninja way because Hinata came to their minds? I guess this is what people were fearing would happen with the fandom.

 

But seriously, now they want to place Hinata in the same level of importance as Naruto because of that? Keep dreaming. Hinata is a mere follower of Naruto's believes, meant to show how he can influence others.

 

People are really getting full of themselves twisting those words into some sort of "Naruto and Hinata against the world" type of ridiculous fanfiction.

 

There are so many stories that show how minor characters adopt the believes to the hero in order to better themselves, that doesn't make them relevant. In fact, it's meant to increase the status of the hero in the eyes of the readers, not of the minor character.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

look what i found...  http://25.media.tumb...bjvqo1_1280.jpg i guess they really are trying to use this panel as evidence

 

Yeah, nice try. Talk about reaching really, really deep for evidence, if someone must try that hard to find proof, they really haven't got a leg to stand on.

[megi]

百豪で2人なら

T: If there's two people with byakugou,

湿骨林からおそらくカツユ本体の10分の1を口寄せできる！
T: We can probably summon one tenth of Katsuyu's main body from Shikkotsurin!

連合の足場全てをカツユにする！
T: Let's place Katsuyu on the whole footing's alliance!

その場に立っているだけで回復できる回復エリアだ！
T: It will be a recovery area that it will be able to heal by just standing on the spot!

行くぞサクラ
T: Let's go, Sakura!

ハイ！！
S: Okay!

 

Ah, okay so I'm sure that it is referring to their seal and not the jutsu.

thanks 六道!

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Weren't people here saying the other day that they didn't like Naruto talking about his ninja way because Hinata came to their minds? I guess this is what people were fearing would happen with the fandom.

 

But seriously, now they want to place Hinata in the same level of importance as Naruto because of that? Keep dreaming. Hinata is a mere follower of Naruto's believes, meant to show how he can influence others.

 

People are really getting full of themselves twisting those words into some sort of "Naruto and Hinata against the world" type of ridiculous fanfiction.

 

There are so many stories that show how minor characters adopt the believes to the hero in order to better themselves, that doesn't make them relevant. In fact, it's meant to increase the status of the hero in the eyes of the readers, not of the minor character.

 

The bolded: I can't tell you how much it irritates me when people get stuck in the mindset with these two characters, making them out to have some closeness that simply doesn't exist. Where does this idea come from? I just don't understand it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
The bolded: I can't tell you how much it irritates me when people get stuck in the mindset with these two characters, making them out to have some closeness that simply doesn't exist. Where does this idea come from? I just don't understand it.

Remember how I think negative thoughts to negate the stupidity? Well that was one during 616 wait. Hey, I was getting fear factor increased by people in here and elsewhere. Wasn't easy. I mean color pages with front cover, that's like NH ultimate shining moment.

[T XD]

 

The bolded: I can't tell you how much it irritates me when people get stuck in the mindset with these two characters, making them out to have some closeness that simply doesn't exist. Where does this idea come from? I just don't understand it.

It comes from supporting this pairing. They like the pairing, they want the pairing, they make themselves believe it will happen, and from all this will result the formation of the idea of closeness and believing it.

 

I'm generalizing here, but it's to some or few and not to all who support the pairing.

Edited by T XD, 10 October 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[Darkness]

look what i found...  http://25.media.tumb...bjvqo1_1280.jpg i guess they really are trying to use this panel as evidence

 

That's "our" Ninja way? Hm... no. That's Naruto ninja way. Hinata has just adopted his nindo for her own personal improvement reasons. It clearly doesn't mean anywhere near as much as fans want it to.

You know what would be interesting? The Alliance fodder reacting to Naruto latest speech and acknowledging his nindo, since I assume they are all still telephatically connected, and possibly even adopting it to themselves given it is a common trait of lesser characters to identify themselves with the main character ideals. Hell yeah. I would like to see then anyone arguing that Hinata's case is different.

 

Bottom line: Adopting the main character's beliefs doesn't mean anything anywhere. 

Edited by Darkness, 10 October 2013 - 05:53 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

It comes from supporting this pairing. They like the pairing, they want the pairing, they make themselves believe it will happen, and from all this will result the formation of the idea of closeness and believing it.

 

I'm generalizing here, but it's to some or few and not to all who support the pairing.

 

And everybody's got their own preferences, there's no problem with that. I mean, you're not required to like a pairing simply because it's likely to be canon, I just don't understand trying to make another pairing into something it's not in canon, just because you would prefer it. For example, I didn't like the Katniss/Peeta pairing from the Hunger Games, not one bit, but it was obvious, and while I'd have rather Katniss end up with Gale, who I felt she had a better bond with and who I thought was a better character than the very one-dimensional Peeta, I never tried to convince myself it had any chance of happening. It was just supposed to keep readers guessing, though it didn't fool me in that regard.

[Psychox]

Katsuyu pwn all

 

ahahahh, nicely done .
 

 

 

Weren't people here saying the other day that they didn't like Naruto talking about his ninja way because Hinata came to their minds? I guess this is what people were fearing would happen with the fandom.

 

But seriously, now they want to place Hinata in the same level of importance as Naruto because of that? Keep dreaming. Hinata is a mere follower of Naruto's believes, meant to show how he can influence others.

 

People are really getting full of themselves twisting those words into some sort of "Naruto and Hinata against the world" type of ridiculous fanfiction.

 

There are so many stories that show how minor characters adopt the believes to the hero in order to better themselves, that doesn't make them relevant. In fact, it's meant to increase the status of the hero in the eyes of the readers, not of the minor character.

 

I think we should give them a break, fan finctions is what they've got left anyways .
 
And yes, i can agree with what here folks were saying , Naruto's infamous phrase is kind of ruined when Hinata intervenes and says it , don't get me wrong i don't hate her , but its his moto , why should she steal his line ? That's the hero's motivation and using this philosophy he came where he is today. I really liked the search of Tsunade arc + chuunin exams , there he was so inspiring, now with all the Hinata shenanigans its not the same ..

Though its thanks to his aspirations(nindo) she is a brand new Hinata now .

 

 

It comes from supporting this pairing. They like the pairing, they want the pairing, they make themselves believe it will happen, and from all this will result the formation of the idea of closeness and believing it.

 

I'm generalizing here, but it's to some or few and not to all who support the pairing.

 

False hopes will get them nowhere , it will hurt more in the end when Sakura kisses Naruto :3. That goes for SS too. Ive been hearing that its canon since Sasuke came back and Sakura's dream has been fulfilled and yeah.. 

Seems legit ..

 

Edited by Psychox, 10 October 2013 - 06:15 PM.

[六道仙人]

 

Ah, okay so I'm sure that it is referring to their seal and not the jutsu.

thanks 六道!

 

well, yeah... At least I understood so as you did... Tsunade was speaking about the fact of counter people. If there're 2 people who has byakugou, so you can summon a bigger part of katsuyu.  It isn't about seal/jutsu's byakugou deal, it's about the amount of users who are able to get the byakugou.

 

If Mito was here, thoese 3 would have been able to summon 2/10 of Katsuyu

Edited by 六道仙人, 10 October 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

well, yeah... At least I understood so as you did... Tsunade was speaking about the fact of counter people. If there're 2 people who has byakugou, so you can summon a bigger part of katsuyu.  It isn't about seal/jutsu's byakugou deal, it's about the amount of users who are able to get the byakugou.
 
If Mito was here, thoese 3 would have been able to summon 2/10 of Katsuyu

I still hope she still get mentioned for sake of where that seal comes from.

[sushi.]

 

The bolded: I can't tell you how much it irritates me when people get stuck in the mindset with these two characters, making them out to have some closeness that simply doesn't exist. Where does this idea come from? I just don't understand it.

Naruto and Hinata had one intimate moment(615), but Naruto and Sakura has had more. Best thing is, their intimacy doesn't have to be planned out for the sake of the plot, it just flows along with it. How they joke around eachother, their relaxed bodylanguage, and the nicknames they give eachother; It all makes the hug a lot more believable and less "sudden" than the handholding. Because I really think the handholding was very sudden. :/ You have to start with the small things.

Edited by sushi., 10 October 2013 - 07:28 PM.

[Atheck]

Katsuyu pwn all

 

Is that genuinely how big people believe Katsuyu to be? 

[redragon88]

 

well, yeah... At least I understood so as you did... Tsunade was speaking about the fact of counter people. If there're 2 people who has byakugou, so you can summon a bigger part of katsuyu.  It isn't about seal/jutsu's byakugou deal, it's about the amount of users who are able to get the byakugou.

 

If Mito was here, thoese 3 would have been able to summon 2/10 of Katsuyu

 

Don't you mean 1.5/10 of Katsuyu? Unless you're implying that Mito is as strong as Tsunade and Sakura combined. It's a given she's strong considering she was able to self contain Kurama within herself, but we really don't know the true extent of her power.

 

Naruto and Hinata had one intimate moment(615), but Naruto and Sakura has had more. Best thing is, their intimacy doesn't have to be planned out for the sake of the plot, it just flows along with it. How they joke around eachother, their relaxed bodylanguage, and the nicknames they give eachother; It all makes the hug a lot more believable and less "sudden" than the handholding. Because I really think the handholding was very sudden. :/ You have to start with the small things.

 

But that would imply that holding hands is a bigger deal then a hug which seeing everything as a whole it was not.

[sushi.]

But that would imply that holding hands is a bigger deal then a hug which seeing everything as a whole it was not.

It can go both sides because I think they are equal in terms of intimacy, depends on the context. NS beat NH in context.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To me, it's always important to create the atmosphere that you wanted to address. Hand-holding is 50-50 chance of either love or friendship. Fairy Tail used this as friendship when dealing the dragon as they said it themselves. Pretty much you need either someone say it, shows it, or let the atmosphere take it away.

 

If you want to make it clear as day for hand-holding situation, well if you're going for love, one or both of them should be like shocked in "Is she in love with me?" or "What is this feeling?..." Another tactic is to provide third-party point of view. In Major, the protagonist decides to help the love interest after she was pretty much depressed, so when they hold hands, they were sharing strong feelings, that the side characters were happy and the other one was like, "Say what!?" Blushing or dazing does add it up.

 

As for hug, well I haven't seen a friendly moment, though if it happens often with multiple characters, then it's no big deal. That said hug is stronger when context is being done right. Downplay can only happened when the follow-up, scenery, or atmosphere is not so lovely. This is important because if you just have a hug and no one providing the "Whoa" factor or having one character who is receiving that hug to show anything, then it's either one sided or not just strong. Unless of course if there's a plot ensured as in the hug is happening in the middle of conversation/interaction rather the last moment. Let's take chapter 450. I really don't want to be biased, but sorry, Kishi made it hard to ignore the scene. Naruto received an unexpected hug, Naruto looked dazed, the atmosphere/background has shown that one feels like "Love is in the air," the other while blushing, "Whoa...", the other goes "Lucky!" with a smile. Now, how can you tell me love context is not there. Yes, they're not lovers, but you can't diminish the idea of it and that's important in writing. Why you think we never got Hinata being like in the same level of Team 7 love triangle, let alone NS.

 

Look, in all honesty, if it's vice versa, I would still go by my words, even it's NH and while I don't hate it, I just let it slide. My point is that people has given too much credit or give one moment to equal multiple moments of another, which is non-sense. This is why I had to read 3-5 times of 615 before posting anything. Well, here we are, 650, and my mind is still the same.

[morgaine4]

 

The bolded: I can't tell you how much it irritates me when people get stuck in the mindset with these two characters, making them out to have some closeness that simply doesn't exist. Where does this idea come from? I just don't understand it.

 

I agree with you.  Of course fanfictions and mind-canons are different, but it's pretty extreme to take a mind-canon, believe it so much, that one believes it's canon.  For instance, some of my mind-canons are that Sakura took the chuunin exams with Ino and Chouji, and that the Sand Siblings adore Sakura almost as much as they adore Naruto and try to be close to her because it was Naruto's dedication to Sakura that changed Gaara, because Sakura saved Kankunro's life etc etc.  But these things haven't been stated in the manga, and no matter how obvious these things seem to me (especially the notion that Sakura took the exams with Ino and Chouji, nothing else makes sense to me and the closeness between Team 7/Kakashi and Team 10 plus Ino and Sakura's friendship, plus the focus that Sakura's relationships with Shikamaru and Chouji got during the Pain arc just underscores it), I know that until stated or shown in the manga, these are still just head-canons.

 

 

But that would imply that holding hands is a bigger deal then a hug which seeing everything as a whole it was not.

 

I agree with this, especially considering the fact that just after Naruto held Hinata's hand.  The hand holding definitely had a big impact on Hinata, that's not arguable, Hinata has mentioned it several times.  But which would have a bigger impact on Naruto?  The girl he's liked for years hugging him, pressing her body against him (which was probably one of the first hugs he's ever received), or holding the hand of the girl who has liked him but who he rarely notices?  We've seen Naruto hold hands with people, Sakura held his hand, Gaara held his hand, he held Hinata's hand and then proceeded to hold hands with or touch everyone in the army.  Who have we seen Naruto hug?  Sakura and Kushina, and as far as I know nobody else.  Plus, we know how intensely Naruto seems to view hugs, just go back and read his reaction to Sakura hugging Sasuke.

[soraandven]

yeah the pain in his face was sad to see and it was back in the day when sakura was an obsessed sasuke lover that was the only gripe i had with rtn was that kishi reverted her back to her part 1 self atleast when it came to sasuke then when she sees the sasuke she desires flirting with other girls she gets crushed i couldn't help but smile when i saw her shocked/sad face because i think at that moment she knew that only naruto would understand her

[soraandven]

plus her sad face is similar to how naruto reacted seeing the sasusaku hug i was like well played kishi

[TouKen4Life3g]

plus her sad face is similar to how naruto reacted seeing the sasusaku hug i was like well played kishi

Yeah, it connects all well with the beginning. Otherwise, the ending for her and Naruto would be different.