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[Atheck]

Shika was already ok by the time Tsunade got there. She was checking on him i think....unless Tsunade was healing Sakura too for no reason.

Tsunade was complimenting Sakura for her efforts. If you look closely at Shikamaru's face in the top right panel of the below page you can see that he is still partially emaciated and visibly injured. But after Tsunade places her hand on his forehead his features have noticeably changed and he seems to be alot more healthy. His shocked expression is enough indication that he was healed.



Edit: My apologies for not having originally posted the page. I'm distracted right now with handling several posts at once.

Edited by Atheck, 03 October 2013 - 05:25 AM.

[morgaine4]

Shika was already ok by the time Tsunade got there. She was checking on him i think....unless Tsunade was healing Sakura too for no reason.

 

I also can't find any (healing) chakra drawn around Tsunade's hand.  It could be that that was forgotten, or that Tsunade is so awesome that her healing chakra is totally invisible/undetectable, but that's why i thought that she was simply examining Shikamaru.  I'm not discounting that Tsunade did replenish their chakra, it's just not clear to me why that absolutely the case.  Is it because of Shikamaru's eyes?

 

 

 

Although it was mentioned as a plot device in a likely NS future moment, I really just see it as a normal outcome given the situation Sakura is at the moment. It is to be expected her clothes to be dirty and her hair to be messy. 

 

But yeah, deep inside I too want it to mean something Naruto related. But I do not expect it to happen this way.

 

True, but this is a manga and it's very rare for a character's design to be altered unless there's a purpose.  After all, Ino has bangs, her bangs would probably far more easily become messy like Sakura, but her hair is still in place.

Edited by morgaine4, 03 October 2013 - 05:24 AM.

[Mistraal]

 

 

Shikamaru was ok, but needed to recover to join in. That's where Tsunade steps in. Naruto/Sakura did the saving as Tsunade did the recovering.

This confuses me.

When Kakashi was chakra/lifdrained it took weeks for Tsunade to help him recover. But now she can just...."do" it?



I think it's much more likely that Naruto funneled craptons of chakra into Sakura and she processed it and healed Shikamaru. Basically, it's the difference between turning your faucet from low to high. I actually think it's pretty impressive she was able to control it like that.

Shikamaru then sits up and Tsunade arrives and places her hands on Shikamaru's forehead first to check on him and then on her apprentices to check on her/give her praise.

At least that is how I interpreted the scene.

[Mistraal]

Tsunade was complimenting Sakura for her efforts. If you look closely at Shikamaru's face in the top right panel of the below page you can see that he is still partially emaciated and visibly injured. But after Tsunade places her hand on his forehead his features have noticeably changed and he seems to be alot more healthy. His shocked expression is enough indication that he was healed.



Edit: My apologies for not having originally posted the page. I'm distracted right now with handling several posts at once.

 

 

This is a new jutsu then. I have never seen this nor any similar animation for it.

[Atheck]

This is a new jutsu then. I have never seen this nor any similar animation for it.

I'm not sure if it's just a variation of the Mystic Palm technique or if Tsunade used a jutsu that's similar in principal to Karin's healing abilities. Shikamaru was depleted of most his chakra. Resupplying him should have been the top priority.

Edit: It could have been a chakra transference that she did. Chakra is assignable with just a fist bump now. Perhaps Tsunade did that when she placed her hand on Shikamaru's forehead.

Edited by Atheck, 03 October 2013 - 05:39 AM.

[Mistraal]

I'm not sure if it's just a variation of the Mystic Palm technique or if Tsunade used a jutsu that's similar in principal to Karin's healing abilities. Shikamaru was depleted of most his chakra. Resupplying him should have been the top priority.

Edit: It could have been a chakra transference that she did. Chakra is assignable with just a fist bump now. Perhaps Tsunade did that when she placed her hand on Shikamaru's forehead.

It still doesn't make sense though. How is somethign that was a weeklong process earlier in the manga now "fistbumppable"? (Holy adverbs Batman)

I'm much more inclined to believe the Kyuubi chakra theory just because it makes more sense to me than Tsunade getting a new "restore" jutsu she never used before. Sakura can get away with that because she's still growing. Tsunade can't.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, you may very well be right, but if you are then I have a SERIOUS bone to pick with Kishi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I wonder that word from Obito does apply that he will continue where he left off: killing others. I mean think about it. Naruto was triggered by that word, remembering his own words. The alliance is up and about to attack the tree. Now since that's the case, Obito will have the tree to do work again and make Naruto suffer. Not because Obito may want to prove a point but because he just want him to suffer. Plus, doing that will force Naruto to more work as well, which is double edge. This could be a big struggle if what I said comes out true. No way Obito will just let it go by like that. He will make the tree do work and make sure no one gets in his way, him or the tree. Hm, I wonder...

[Atheck]

It still doesn't make sense though. How is somethign that was a weeklong process earlier in the manga now "fistbumppable"? (Holy adverbs Batman)

I'm much more inclined to believe the Kyuubi chakra theory just because it makes more sense to me than Tsunade getting a new "restore" jutsu she never used before. Sakura can get away with that because she's still growing. Tsunade can't.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, you may very well be right, but if you are then I have a SERIOUS bone to pick with Kishi.

She did restore Sasuke from his coma in P1 with a similar jutsu. It would be odd if they were exactly the same though because that jutsu had supposedly healed the cranial nerve damage caused by Tsukuyomi whereas the one we see in #649 seems to be just a simple chakra transfer with some restorative benefits included.

[Darkness]

She did restore Sasuke from his coma in P1 with a similar jutsu. It would be odd if they were exactly the same though because that jutsu had supposedly healed the cranial nerve damage caused by Tsukuyomi whereas the one we see in #649 seems to be just a simple chakra transfer with some restorative benefits included.

 

I believe the restorative benefits were mostly handled by Sakura with Naruto's help. It seemed to me that all Tsunade has done was replenish Shikamaru's chakra pool given the only real injury was the chakra absence.

 

But how she has done it so easily and out of a sudden is something to wonder.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[Atheck]

I believe the restorative benefits were mostly handled by Sakura with Naruto's help. It seemed to me that all Tsunade has done was replenish Shikamaru's chakra pool given the only real injury was the chakra absence.
 
But how she has done it so easily and out of a sudden is something to wonder.

Sakura herself attributed Shikamaru's revival to Naruto's chakra. Naruto was instrumental in saving Shikamaru and Tsunade completed the process when his condition was already stabilised. The question is how much Sakura's own efforts and energy contributed to the healing.

[Darkness]

Sakura herself attributed Shikamaru's revival to Naruto's chakra. Naruto was instrumental in saving Shikamaru and Tsunade completed the process when his condition was already stabilised. The question is how much Sakura's own efforts and energy contributed to the healing.

 

It just seemed odd to me how Tsunade arrived after all the drama tension and with just a mere touch, boom. Shikamaru is all well and healthy again. It's really hard to assess how much did Sakura and Naruto contribute to Shikamaru's recover given the situation. Do you have any thoughts?

[soraandven]

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[Atheck]

It just seemed odd to me how Tsunade arrived after all the drama tension and with just a mere touch, boom. Shikamaru is all well and healthy again. It's really hard to assess how much did Sakura and Naruto contribute to Shikamaru's recover given the situation. Do you have any thoughts?

My impression is that it detracted from the significance of Sakura and Naruto's efforts to some extent. They both played their roles but Tsunade's casualness when healing Shikamaru is damaging. It accentuates the existing gap between Sakura and Tsunade which I hoped Kishi would attempt to close instead of widen.

Sakura could stand to have at least one more fight exclusive to her to prove her superiority. The last time she was directly involved in battle for an extended amount of time was against Sasori and that was almost 400 chapters ago.

Edited by Atheck, 03 October 2013 - 06:42 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

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[Darkness]

My impression is that it detracted from the significance of Sakura and Naruto's efforts to some extent. They both played their roles but Tsunade's casualness when healing Shikamaru is damaging. It accentuates the existing gap between Sakura and Tsunade which I hoped Kishi would attempt to close instead of widen.

 

I had the same unfortunate impression. I wonder at the event of an earlier arrival if Tsunade would have been able to heal Shikamaru with a similar efficiency. Yes, instead of closing the gap, these last events could have increased the difference between the old and new female Sannins. Let's just wait and see if Kishimoto proves ours impressions wrong, hopefully.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[archangel]

This chapter only boosted the idea of Sasuke dying or becoming a wanderer, if he were meant to stay on the village he would be certainly Naruto's advisor.

But turns out to be Shikamaru, and Sakura will be Naruto's assistant on kage's office :3.

 

Am I the only one who might think the 3 advisor of Naruto in his Kage office will be Shikamaru, Hinata ( foreshadow since he came right after Shino statement and it could give closure to her character goal to be side by side with Naruto)  and Sasuke since to me Naruto will save him (Jiraiya failed to save Orochimaru just like the 1st didn't get Madara to listen, so this generation Naruto will save Sasuke)

 

Sound fishy but in the end, that should be  the adviser

But what about Sakura. We know that the Hokage advisor for the 3rd 4th and 5th Hokage were Danzo, Koharu and Homura (Shizune was like Tsunade perso nnal assistant, not adviser but we all know she's closer to Tsunade then any of those 3). The 3rd wife and Kushina weren't in the adviser office. Tome, Sakura spot should be that one, wife of the Hokage , personnal medic and probably her assistant to make him do his paperwork ( Sasuke wouldn't care, Hinata has no badckbone, let's face it and Shikamaru can be as lazy as Naruto )

 

As we all know, wife tend to know and advice her husband in everything if they needed ( as much work or personnal business) so more like an unofficial adviser but the one that count the most.

Other word, Sakura doesn't have to be an official adviser in my book to be the closest to Naruto.(the escort you take , like in the five kage summit aren't necessarily compose of your adviser either lol. )  

[morgaine4]

If Naruto chooses Hinata as his adviser, he's dumber than most people give him credit for.  Hinata isn't smart enough to be an adviser, she needs to focus on bettering herself and bettering her clan affairs.  She's always trying to catch up to Naruto, but what could she offer him?  A rinse/repeat of her speech in 615?  It would just be terrible writing IMO.

Edited by morgaine4, 03 October 2013 - 06:58 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Naruto chooses Hinata as his adviser, he's dumber than most people give him credit for.  Hinata isn't smart enough to be an adviser, she needs to focus on bettering herself and bettering her clan affairs.  She's always trying to catch up to Naruto, but what could she offer him?  A rinse/repeat of her speech in 615?  It would just be terrible writing IMO.

Won't it interrupt the idea that she is still from the clan, heir or not. She has her own responsibility as well. Shikamaru got nothing to worry about or anything that he has to take care of, outside of Asuma's child. So I don't think that would be the case for Hinata. She just have to make sure she don't disappoint for running Hyuuga in the future, making it strong if not stronger.

[soraandven]

What's up?

there arguing over the hinata thing lol sakura naruto and shikamaru were the main focus of this chapter though i liked how they worked together to heal him

[morgaine4]

Won't it interrupt the idea that she is still from the clan, heir or not. She has her own responsibility as well. Shikamaru got nothing to worry about or anything that he has to take care of, outside of Asuma's child. So I don't think that would be the case for Hinata. She just have to make sure she don't disappoint for running Hyuuga in the future, making it strong if not stronger.

 

It might, or it might not, I'm not sure.  Regardless, I don't think HInata is capable of multi-tasking, nor of being an adviser to Naruto.  She doesn't have *it.*  Shikamaru does, Kiba does, Ino does, Sakura does, Sasuke does, Sai does --Hinata doesn't.

Edited by morgaine4, 03 October 2013 - 07:08 AM.