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[Question22]

You guys forgot that kishi is a sasuke fanboy

[Mistraal]

^ Well, that would never happen as Kishimoto has always given corrupt individuals a "just" consequence.

 

 

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree here since Sasuke has tried to homicide anything that gets close to him with two X chromosomes and has yet to even receive a slap on the wrist.

Edited by Mistraal, 26 September 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[Dkey]

 
The 1st Raikage does give off that vibe of a 70s black guy from actions movies, rocking that afro-stache combo. I bet he got all the ladies.
 
Funny enough, the 2nd Raikage makes me think of Mr. T who was prevalent in the 80s. Do you think Kishi made a pattern to black stereotypes through the decades? Does that mean the 3rd symbolizes the 90s and the 4th the new century?
 
Nah, it's probably just a just a coincidence with the first two.

some say the 1st raikage is jimi hendrix.

[rocci]

@mistraal
It's only Karin, sakura saved by kakashi and naruto.

This chapter function to make gokage entry to the battlefield, I expect the next one will consist shikamaru conditions, comment from gokage, and then narusasu attack.

[nia1994]

it was a boring-ish chapter tho i had to admit curse seal susanoo was pretty cool. i think the flashback was kinda random.

 

and finally Karin....  i wonder what she thinks she could do to?

[rocci]

Getting stab....again?

[redragon88]

some say the 1st raikage is jimi hendrix.

 

Oh my God! The 1st Raikage really is Jimi Hendrix. Look:

 

 

Even the clothes are similar. Kishi, you sly bastard.

[rocci]

@reddragon
Wow nice catch, I never thought kishi will insert something like that, I thought only oda do that.

[Dkey]

 
Oh my God! The 1st Raikage really is Jimi Hendrix. Look:
 

 
Even the clothes are similar. Kishi, you sly bastard.

he was a master of the lightning guitar *wink*

[Hiraishin]

I am already quite sick on how Kishi use "Ooooooooooh Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura/Whatever reminds me of greathero/greatsacrifice/greatcharacter" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
 
I mean, it's quite alright for the first few times, but how longer does Kishi feel the need to bash our skull with the info that Naruto reminds everyone of some other people? I get it, we get it, so stop making such comparison over and over again. It's unnecessary padding--although maybe padding is the whole point in the first place.

Word. It's okay the first one or two times, but he doesn't need to repeat it over and over again... Especially when the comparison/parallel is obvious.

 
 
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree here since Sasuke has tried to homicide anything that gets close to him with two X chromosomes and has yet to even receive a slap on the wrist.

Lmfaoo, truuu.

 
Oh my God! The 1st Raikage really is Jimi Hendrix. Look:
 

 
Even the clothes are similar. Kishi, you sly bastard.

That's actually the first thing I thought of when I saw the First Raikage. I was like, "Jimi Hendrix...?" Oh Kishi...

[rikakim94]

You guys forgot that kishi is a sasuke fanboy

 

More like his son he wants to spoil.lol

[Nate River]

Yeah. I'm sorry I hate any chapter that gives Sasuke a free power-up. What's even weirder still is how this power never really came up til now. Did Itachi's eyes really give him that much of a boost? I mean, at least Sakura was explained with the whole "This whole time she has been focusing it." Sure, to some it seems kind of lame, but really this is worse. Guess what? Sasuke power-up out of nowhere.
 
Really it seems like just being exposed to the effects of another jutsu gives him the powers of it.

It's not "nowhere." It came out of Juugo's rear end. Team Not Seven only had a conister of beans to eat on the way...and you can fill in the rest of how this power up works from there.

Besides, being near Juugo and getting the effects of the cursed seal is not what really makes this junk. It's that the seal is "senjutsu." The concept of Senjutsu has been around for sometime, the cursed seal even longer, but only now gets around to saying that the seal is this and does so at a time where it is the only method to damage Obito.

It's awfully convenient.

The more apt comparison is to Tsunade being saved in that's it's rather contrivied. Yeah, it's kinda of an ass pull, but I don't think that's the real literary crime committed with this. Kishimoto has the villain become invulernable to all attacks but Senjutsu. The result is that no one, but a select few can cause damage (Hashirama and Naruto) him, meaning everyone else becomes support if they are lucky and plot devices or cannon fodder if they aren't. Either way, they take a back seat in the fight. Hashirama is conveniently indisposed at the moment. So, it's Naruto. But! Low and behold Sasuke can access Juugo's seal by being downwind of him and it's Senjustu (what luck!)...so Naruto and Sasuke take the lead.

They must work together in order to save everything from the pile of debris that calls himself Obito. And them specifically, rather than them as components of a larger group.

They shall fight together and briefly recreate the good old days (and Sasuke will have saving the universe under his belt when it comes to redemption time) just before they have a fundamental disagreement on how to finish saving the universe when this is over. So...pretty much it tracks the path of Madara and Hashirama point for point. And just in case we didn't get the subtle hint witht he four chapter flash back and Sasuke's current involvement, he makes sure to sprinkle in some Hashirama to turn his subtle nudging into a kick to the face.

It's terribly contrivied.

 

Okay. Again, why is it for Sasuke justifiable, but people bash Sakura for it? Sasuke is a "because the plot demands it" character.

Well, yes, given that no character drive the plot as much as him, I'd imagine so. Significant changes in his behavior alter the story and points Kishimoto make.

I'm somewhat at a loss as to why this is a huge problem. I can't think of to many main characters who can be completely decoupled from the plot, especially when an author wants to make specific points using said plot.
 
 

Why is as powerful as Naruto without real training? Because the plot demands it.

Who here wants to see a Sasuke training arc? I'm expect the count to be somewhere near zero. It was off screen and just stated he worked really hard, who would be satsified? Doesn't expect this number to much higher.

Naruto is not immune from this either. He got his most recenet boost from a fist bump.
 

Why was he so conveniently in the right place at the right time? Because the plot demands it.

As if he's the only one...Sakura is a corpse if Naruto is not in the right place at the right time.

And the following is directed at the thread in general:

When did complaining about a chapter suddenly become in vogue again?

I see more than one person who lectured people last week now suddenly complaining themselves.

I don't disagree all that much with the criticisms of this chapter, but it's seems rather hypocritical.

[James S Cassidy]

It's not "nowhere." It came out of Juugo's rear end. Team Not Seven only had a conister of beans to eat on the way...and you can fill in the rest of how this power up works from there.

Besides, being near Juugo and getting the effects of the cursed seal is not what really makes this junk. It's that the seal is "senjutsu." The concept of Senjutsu has been around for sometime, the cursed seal even longer, but only now gets around to saying that the seal is this and does so at a time where it is the only method to damage Obito.

It's awfully convenient.

The more apt comparison is to Tsunade being saved in that's it's rather contrivied. Yeah, it's kinda of an ass pull, but I don't think that's the real literary crime committed with this. Kishimoto has the villain become invulernable to all attacks but Senjutsu. The result is that no one, but a select few can cause damage (Hashirama and Naruto) him, meaning everyone else becomes support if they are lucky and plot devices or cannon fodder if they aren't. Either way, they take a back seat in the fight. Hashirama is conveniently indisposed at the moment. So, it's Naruto. But! Low and behold Sasuke can access Juugo's seal by being downwind of him and it's Senjustu (what luck!)...so Naruto and Sasuke take the lead.

They must work together in order to save everything from the pile of debris that calls himself Obito. And them specifically, rather than them as components of a larger group.

They shall fight together and briefly recreate the good old days (and Sasuke will have saving the universe under his belt when it comes to redemption time) just before they have a fundamental disagreement on how to finish saving the universe when this is over. So...pretty much it tracks the path of Madara and Hashirama point for point. And just in case we didn't get the subtle hint witht he four chapter flash back and Sasuke's current involvement, he makes sure to sprinkle in some Hashirama to turn his subtle nudging into a kick to the face.

It's terribly contrivied.

 

Well, yes, given that no character drive the plot as much as him, I'd imagine so. Significant changes in his behavior alter the story and points Kishimoto make.

I'm somewhat at a loss as to why this is a huge problem. I can't think of to many main characters who can be completely decoupled from the plot, especially when an author wants to make specific points using said plot.
 
 

Who here wants to see a Sasuke training arc? I'm expect the count to be somewhere near zero. It was off screen and just stated he worked really hard, who would be satsified? Doesn't expect this number to much higher.

Naruto is not immune from this either. He got his most recenet boost from a fist bump.
 

As if he's the only one...Sakura is a corpse if Naruto is not in the right place at the right time.

And the following is directed at the thread in general:

When did complaining about a chapter suddenly become in vogue again?

I see more than one person who lectured people last week now suddenly complaining themselves.

I don't disagree all that much with the criticisms of this chapter, but it's seems rather hypocritical.

 

 

"Sounds like someone just hates the fact that I disagree."

[Nate River]

"Sounds like someone just hates the fact that I disagree."

Nice try.   

Your attempt to turn my words of me utterly fails because I'm not attempting to dissuade you from offering you opinion. I'm criticizing you for going after people for complaining about last week's chapter only turn around whine about this one with a straight one face. You aren't the only offender either. I don't care if you criticize this chapter, I care that you try to get people to bite their tounge because you don't like their criticisms. 

 

It also flops because I criticized this chapter too. The only difference between you and I on that point is what the core problem is. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol Juugo rear end.

 

When I was talking about Sasuke, I was only referring for what awaits him: asspull. Simply now, at least he's borrowing it. Still not as effective as Naruto being him alone to get it, so still an asspull if you may call it. I guess that's why he wasn't that upset when senjutsu can work on Obito as he looks at Naruto with "..." though it's Kyuubi that makes him upset. You could argue that Naruto has to be in last stand to match Sasuke, but that would be insulting. Not that I care.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

You guys forgot that kishi is a sasuke fanboy

 

I've never been able to understand people referring to authors as 'fanboys' of their own characters, and frankly I find it downright ridiculous. Kishimoto may have characters he is especially fond of, and he once said Sasuke was his favorite character to draw because he was a bit more challenging than others, but he also once claimed Shikamaru to be his favorite character, then Choji and that Anko was his favorite female character and look at how much screen time she gets.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To me, I always feel that it's not really the issue or anything. It's just he likes the character and that's it.

[Psychox]

 

I've never been able to understand people referring to authors as 'fanboys' of their own characters, and frankly I find it downright ridiculous. Kishimoto may have characters he is especially fond of, and he once said Sasuke was his favorite character to draw because he was a bit more challenging than others, but he also once claimed Shikamaru to be his favorite character, then Choji and that Anko was his favorite female character and look at how much screen time she gets.

Well, yeah, but he did give Sasuke a lot of ass pulled jutsus , he always wins (more or less) got a free pass a couple of times etc. I didn't see Kishi invest so much in  any other character

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Well, yeah, but he did give Sasuke a lot of ass pulled jutsus , he always wins (more or less) got a free pass a couple of times etc. I didn't see Kishi invest so much in  any other character

 

Yes, there is that. But I think it has less to do with special treatment than plot demand, I don't see handing out asspull jutsu as "investing", more like laziness. With Naruto at least, we get to see some training (not that I have any interest in a Sasuke training arc, that's not the point I'm trying to make), and Naruto's so ridiculously overpowered that he has to give Sasuke something to match him so they stay somewhat on par for their final showdown. Honestly, I would have much rather Kishi had not gone the route of massive powerup after massive powerup, but instead expanded on abilities and techniques that don't rely on shows of raw power.

[Psychox]

 

Yes, there is that. But I think it has less to do with special treatment than plot demand, I don't see handing out ass pull jutsu as "investing", more like laziness. With Naruto at least, we get to see some training (not that I have any interest in a Sasuke training arc, that's not the point I'm trying to make), and Naruto's so ridiculously overpowered that he has to give Sasuke something to match him so they stay somewhat on par for their final showdown. Honestly, I would have much rather Kishi had not gone the route of massive power up after massive power up, but instead expanded on abilities and techniques that don't rely on shows of raw power.

There is the tardiness ,but he should've provided with some back story- like that time when Sasuke summoned a giant chicken(hawk) out of nowhere and we get Tobito to comment ''Oh?Where did he get that?'' - that's it... Then i see in forums Sasuke fans say'' well his was training off panel'' sure, but were did he get in contact with that? Its like he has to win in order to push the plot along (That's him). If you are gonna give him such easy achievable powers give rational explanation , not just to move the plot forward. I don't know , i've heard that the fans ''whined'' about how tactic and techniques are lame ,so Kishi made it with massive power ups , you can't pander to all of them . I do like close combat fighting techniques etc, but it looks like we''ll get the opposite