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[HauntedCake]

that was basically part 1 sakura in a nutshell, save for maybe the last lil bit. sasuke is a character that always seems to make others revert to there old ways. naruto always looks less intelligent and weaker then he is and sakura always looks helpless and dumbstruck. im afraid with sasuke around that sakura may regress as a character and that......sucks..

Lol i can imagine it, as soon as Sasuke is spotted by Sakura.

DEJA VU anyone??

[shadow_Uzumaki]

It's possible that Sasuke entered the stage of where Madara forgives Hashirama and joined together. By that, that would mean one more turn can happen, but I don't know how it will work.

What did pique my interest was your post about Sasuke and his team always changing, and it's true. Sasuke, himself, really IS a wild card.... Dude seriously needs to make up his mind. Even Joker has more coherency on which side of the coin (HA! See what I did there?) he stands.


@Nate: I doubt Orochimaru'd just stand there. I seriously hope Kishi's not forgotten that Orochimaru almost always has something up his snake-filled sleeves. It'd be awesome if it's revealed that everything that's currently happening gives Orochimaru an advantage and he finally absorbs Sasuke or whatever the hell his plan is....

[Nefertieh]

that was basically part 1 sakura in a nutshell, save for maybe the last lil bit. sasuke is a character that always seems to make others revert to there old ways. naruto always looks less intelligent and weaker then he is and sakura always looks helpless and dumbstruck. im afraid with sasuke around that sakura may regress as a character and that......sucks..

Part I Sakura didn't fangirl over Sasuke who had planned mass genocide.

Because in your opinion Naruto isn't as clever as he is when he is around Sasuke, Sakura will fangirl? Sorry, but I think you're just making jumps with your assumptions.

You spelt than wrong.

[Slextrem]

If I come back tommorow will everybody be chill and OK with life? Because I`m just waiting for someone to have a complete menatl breakdown. Its just one chapter. Sakura could have a whole volume of moments before Sasuke gets his ass over there. And when he does who knows what Orochimaru might do. Why do you guys have to be like that? And its weird seeing you like this Slex. Your usually a bit more optimistic.

I've been reading this series since I was 14. My entire impression of the manga has been ruined by this one chapter, you have no idea.

The things Kishimoto destroyed today:

1) Naruto vs Sasuke, which has been foreshadowed since the Sasuke Retrieval arc in Part One.

2) Naruto's efforts to bring Sasuke back to the light, (i.e. the plot of the story), which also ruins...

3) Naruto's role as the hero. "How can I be a Hokage when I can't even save one friend?" Good question.

4) Orochimaru. He was the only villain that was bad for the sake of being bad. He was twisted, mean, and terrifying throughout the entire series. Kabuto bored him by trying to fulfill his (Orochimaru's) own goals that he had in life, so now he's going to fight for good? No. Just no.

5) My respect for Karin. She was stabbed through the chest, betrayed by Sasuke in the worst possible way, and decided that she wasn't going to have anything to do with him. When she finally encounters him again, she doesn't attack him or show any hatred towards him. Instead, her confrontation is made into a comedy act, where Sasuke only has to say, "Karin, sorry", for her to revert back into a fangirl.

6) Sasuke's desire for revenge, which crumbled like a cracker.

7) Sasuke's redemption. What a terrible way he executed that. If he wanted Sasuke to be redeemed from this, he should have gone the same route that Codus N described. Allowing the Hokages to join in the battle and making his decision afterwards. Nope. Just a little reflection after hearing a story from some dead guys he never knew personally, and he's ready to protect the village!

This is turning out to be like Bleach, another series that I had to stop reading because of how much B.S. the mangaka decided to throw in at the last minute, and that makes me so unbelievably sad.

Edited by Slextrem, 10 April 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[Nostradamus]

No, she won't. No one else in the Alliance will get a moment now that the Hokages are on their way. It's unnecessary. Sasuke will show up with his crew at a critical moment in the battle, (i.e. when the Alliance, including Sakura, is getting their asses handed to them), and they'll take over.

...Oh my God, I just realized what the SasuSaku equivalent to 615 might be. Sasuke saving Sakura from a fatal blow before Naruto can reach her...

Everyone else got to save Sakura during the Summit Arc.

Maybe it's Sasuke's turn.

Holy crap.

Oh I cannot wait until Sasuke saves Sakura bridal style and tells her "You sure have a large charming forehead make me want to kiss it."

On a serious note right now I wouldn't even be surprised if something like that happens, because as we saw anything goes.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What did pique my interest was your post about Sasuke and his team always changing, and it's true. Sasuke, himself, really IS a wild card.... Dude seriously needs to make up his mind. Even Joker has more coherency on which side of the coin (HA! See what I did there?) he stands.


@Nate: I doubt Orochimaru'd just stand there. I seriously hope Kishi's not forgotten that Orochimaru almost always has something up his snake-filled sleeves. It'd be awesome if it's revealed that everything that's currently happening gives Orochimaru an advantage and he finally absorbs Sasuke or whatever the hell his plan is....

Well I have been in discussion board outside from here and there are suggestions that there are more to it. It's interesting, but will Kishi do it that way remain to be seen. It is true that Sasuke is known to backstab many guys in multiple times. I just want to know if he's finally cleansed or are we being misled. Anything can happen to him since well, he's like a wildcard. I do wonder if the whole mind problem that Uchiha has will play in effect in the later scene, which can make him change quickly. It's really hard to tell the future, which I admit it's interesting, especially it's the last chapter of the volume. My main question for now is how long the Kages will take to get there?

[MangaReader]

I'm calling it now... Infinite Tsukuyomi has already been activated, no way the Sasuke we've known up till now would be that obliging. That or Sasuke wants to destroy the leaf himself XD (And the "Sorry" to Karin was all an act in front of the kage to keep the ruse going)

Edited by MangaReader, 10 April 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Baiken]

If I come back tommorow will everybody be chill and OK with life? Because I`m just waiting for someone to have a complete menatl breakdown. Its just one chapter. Sakura could have a whole volume of moments before Sasuke gets his ass over there. And when he does who knows what Orochimaru might do. Why do you guys have to be like that? And its weird seeing you like this Slex. Your usually a bit more optimistic.

@ HauntedCake. I have 95% of them on my laptop so I would like to see him try.

Good thing Kishimoto is supposedly on break next week so we can cool down. Didn't this happen with 615? Kishimoto, the gawd of trolls. And I think (most of) our reactions are justified. I mean Sasuke turning face like that...everyone, I repeat, EVERYONE thought, assumed it was going to be Naruto that turned Sasuke, that was like the whole driving force of the manga. And it's not just about NS, it also has to do with how Kishimoto is rushing this manga aswell as how badly he neglects some of his characters. All of these asspulls that keep happening, I think we are right in fearing that NS might possibly not happen, regardless of how right (and it feels so right ) NaruSaku is.

[Dkey]

No, she won't. No one else in the Alliance will get a moment now that the Hokages are on their way. It's unnecessary. Sasuke will show up with his crew at a critical moment in the battle, (i.e. when the Alliance, including Sakura, is getting their asses handed to them), and they'll take over.

...Oh my God, I just realized what the SasuSaku equivalent to 615 might be. Sasuke saving Sakura from a fatal blow before Naruto can reach her...

Everyone else got to save Sakura during the Summit Arc.

Maybe it's Sasuke's turn.

Holy crap.

This chapter has left a huge gap of story logic. Now that we have to wait one week more than normal is going to be even more painful. But Sasuke saving Sakura meh... What would be worse is Sasuke coming and saving Naruto.

So, aside from...the negatives, here's a neutral question:

With this turn of events, anyone think that Kishi's pushing forward to the manga's endgame? Or would it still keep going a bit more?

In other words, are Madara, Obito, and Jubi the final bosses?

I don't believe for a second that all Naruto's hard work effort and time dedicated with getting Sasuke back will be overshadowed by Hashirama's story. Yes he decided to ally with the good guys this time, but that's so he can become a Madara/Obito. Orochimaru watched over Kabuto and probably saw how the war was going so whatever plan he has in stored ( maybe linked to the rinnegan) decided to side with Sasuke because compared with Madara and Obito he is independent and does what he wants. The only problem regarding Sasuke is that usually he get's what he wants:

1. Killed ( or whatever defeated him) Orochimaru to pursue Itachi
2. Killed Itachi to get his revenge on the death of his parents
3. Killed Danzou to get his revenge on what he did to Itachi

Now it seems he wants to follow Itachi's dream but in his own way. Which oddly isn't OOC

1. Didn't kill Naruto so he can activate the Mangekyuo
2. After he found out the truth of Itachi, he decided to go all avenger on the village and again defied Itachi
3. Itachi had a plan regarding Sasuke taking his eyes, but Sasuke managed to trick him again. Very convenient thou. After he faced Naruto he took the eyes, and afterwards Naruto met Itachi and lost Shihui's ability.

This act of choosing to fight with Naruto resembles Madara's decision to found the village with Hashirama but I see Madara lost hope in that dream when he saw all the other members reject him for being to unstable.

The same can be applied to Sasuke. Even if he single-handled Madara and Obito ( impossible thou even if he is "ASSPULL" Sasuke both story and logic wise) we see old grudges die hard and probably the village will ostracize him. Ironically the village pushing him away and distrusting him can redeem the story right now because then only Naruto will be able to understand Sasuke and have that fight we expected. And if Naruto didn't know how it was to lose family members he knows how it feels to be looked in distrust by your peers.


Still this chapter right now feels like a train crashing into the wall of logic and progression this story had.

This chapter is disappointing but maybe the story can get more intense and see some more connection with the SO6P and his sons

[StrikerTheNoble]

I've been reading this series since I was 14. My entire impression of the manga has been ruined by this one chapter, you have no idea.

The things Kishimoto destroyed today:

1) Naruto vs Sasuke, which has been foreshadowed since the Sasuke Retrieval arc in Part One.

2) Naruto's efforts to bring Sasuke back to the light, (i.e. the plot of the story), which also ruins...

3) Naruto's role as the hero. "How can I be a Hokage when I can't even save one friend?" Good question.

4) Orochimaru. He was the only villain that was bad for the sake of being bad. He was twisted, mean, and terrifying throughout the entire series. Kabuto bored him by trying to fulfill his (Orochimaru's) own goals that he had in life, so now he's going to fight for good? No. Just no.

5) My respect for Karin. She was stabbed through the chest, betrayed by Sasuke in the worst possible way, and decided that she wasn't going to have anything to do with him. When she finally encounters him again, she doesn't attack him or show any hatred towards him. Instead, her confrontation is made into a comedy act, where Sasuke only has to say, "Karin, sorry", for her to revert back into a fangirl.

6) Sasuke's desire for revenge, which crumbled like a cracker.

7) Sasuke's redemption. What a terrible way he executed that. If he wanted Sasuke to be redeemed from this, he should have gone the same route that Codus N described. Allowing the Hokages to join in the battle and making his decision afterwards. Nope. Just a little reflection after hearing a story from some dead guys he never knew personally, and he's ready to protect the village!

This is turning out to be like Bleach, another series that I had to stop reading because of how much B.S. the mangaka decided to throw in at the last minute, and that makes me so unbelievably sad.

How about I make you deal. You have faith in Kishi that Orochimaru has something up his sleeve and just hang in there. And if it turns out im wrong, I will write a dialoge that makes fun of Kishi, NS and me. Agreed. You followed the story since you were 14? Good. Now hang on to the good times and you will get trough this.

Why cant we just trust in Kishi that he knows what he`s doing. This is Kishi the man who created NaruSaku. Have some faith people.

[Nefertieh]

Can somebody explain to me why some people think that:

• Sakura can only love someone else aside Sasuke only if Sasuke was evil?
• Karin fangirling automatically means Sakura will too?

The mockery and immaturity in this thread is worse than Sakura's fangirling and the SS scene, which didn't happen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Can somebody explain to me why some people think that:

• Sakura can only love someone else aside Sasuke only if Sasuke was evil?
• Karin fangirling automatically means Sakura will too?

The mockery and immaturity in this thread is worse than Sakura's fangirling and the SS scene, which didn't happen.

To be honest, I have no idea. I think the hatred of this chapter fueled to think more on something else as well. While I don't know if he's 100% good or just good for this moment that's going on, it's not like everything will be easy. Plus, if this is like this, you can't even say SS can happen. It's more like going to square one, with an addition of Karin in the mix. So yeah, that's a worst case scenario as you can say. In other words, no canon for Sasuke's romance. Anyway, people assume too quick and it's normal. But I think people should hold the judgment on other parts.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 10 April 2013 - 06:35 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Can somebody explain to me why some people think that:

• Sakura can only love someone else aside Sasuke only if Sasuke was evil?
• Karin fangirling automatically means Sakura will too?

The mockery and immaturity in this thread is worse than Sakura's fangirling and the SS scene, which didn't happen.

Sssshhhh. Don't point it out, I haven't gotten my dose of schaudenfraude from this chapter, yet. My limit's only for 1 day, though. If things don't calm down tomorrow, then it's just sad.


Those 2 are tied together. If Sasuke's good again, then Team 7 will reunite happily, Sakura's love and...pffft 'loyalty,' will be repaid and she'll be with her 'Sasuke-kun'!

...Of course, that's when you ignore about how she was definitely not fangirling when trying to stab Sasuke in the back but hesitated because, man...would anyone kill someone you love like a brother or a very close friend? If you would kill someone like that, wouldn't you probably hesitate at first, as well?

[kirabook]

Why should she put faith in Kishi to do anythign right after all he's messed up in 1 chapter? In 1 chapter he's destroyed 300 or so chapters and development. (leading up to NvS)

Time after time,
"It's ok, have faith. Kishi will fix it."
"Don't worry, it'll all make sense later."
"Stop panicking, you're thinking about it too much. Kishi would never mess up like that."
"Stop bashing Kishi, you just don't trust him."

No, I don't trust Kishi to do anything right, for sure now. First Sakura -pretty much stunting her development that isn't about pairings-, then Naruto -never any arcs or ANYTHING involving him wanting to know about his family or the past and STILL chasing after Sasuke when it's hopeless-, Sasuke -self explanatory- and with that the entire plot.

What will have to happen now for you to understand that Kishi is not an invincible mangaka and he's ruining his plot?

Edited by kirabook, 10 April 2013 - 06:38 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Why should she put faith in Kishi to do anythign right after all he's messed up in 1 chapter? In 1 chapter he's destroyed 300 or so chapters and development. (leading up to NvS)

Time after time,
"It's ok, have faith. Kishi will fix it."
"Don't worry, it'll all make sense later."
"Stop panicking, you're thinking about it too much. Kishi would never mess up like that."
"Stop bashing Kishi, you just don't trust him."

No, I don't trust Kishi to do anything right, for sure now. First Sakura -pretty much stunting her development that isn't about pairings-, then Naruto -never any arcs or ANYTHING involving him wanting to know about his family or the past-, Sasuke and with that the entire plot.

What will have to happen now for you to understand that Kishi is not an invincible mangaka and he's ruining his plot?

Fine be that way. At the end of the day I will feel much better trusting Kishi to end this in a good way, than you who beat yourself up about it because you cant directly beat up Kishi. Sorry but thats how it is. Its his story. Do you own any of the official merchandise? I say if you have something for free you never baught the right to complain. If you do have Naruto merchandise then nevermind. Just go with the flow. Complaining on the internet never did anything for anyone.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I'm even more disappointed that no one else fangasmed on the fact that Minato and Hiruzen are joining Naruto on the battlefield!


Oh god, imagine the pride Minato would feel after seeing Naruto's badassery? Or maybe he'll greet his son with this:

[Dkey]

Good thing Kishimoto is supposedly on break next week so we can cool down. Didn't this happen with 615? Kishimoto, the gawd of trolls. And I think (most of) our reactions are justified. I mean Sasuke turning face like that...everyone, I repeat, EVERYONE thought, assumed it was going to be Naruto that turned Sasuke, that was like the whole driving force of the manga. And it's not just about NS, it also has to do with how Kishimoto is rushing this manga aswell as how badly he neglects some of his characters. All of these asspulls that keep happening, I think we are right in fearing that NS might possibly not happen, regardless of how right (and it feels so right ) NaruSaku is.

I'm gonna start to fear any chapters that spell the ending of any chapter.

How about I make you deal. You have faith in Kishi that Orochimaru has something up his sleeve and just hang in there. And if it turns out im wrong, I will write a dialoge that makes fun of Kishi, NS and me. Agreed. You followed the story since you were 14? Good. Now hang on to the good times and you will get trough this.

Why cant we just trust in Kishi that he knows what he`s doing. This is Kishi the man who created NaruSaku. Have some faith people.

Your faith in thi story is remarkable. Thou quiting Naruto just because of this chapter sounds extreme, there is a possibility that things may go downhill.

[lord287]

Naruto no. 1? Hell no, one piece is number one shonnen popular battle manga.

no on every site Naruto is on top not one piece, but yes one piece has been sold much more than naruto

[Nefertieh]

To be honest, I have no idea. I think the hatred of this chapter fueled to think more on something else as well. While I don't know if he's 100% good or just good for this moment that's going on, it's not like everything will be easy. Plus, if this is like this, you can't even say SS can happen. It's more like going to square one, with an addition of Karin in the mix. So yeah, that's a worst case scenario as you can say. In other words, no canon for Sasuke's romance. Anyway, people assume too quick and it's normal. But I think people should hold the judgment on other parts.

Sometimes I wonder if these people who make these assumptions are ss shippers. The amount if faith they have in ss is astounding. Still, I don't think somehow a bad chapter justifies Sakura mockery.

Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm even more disappointed that no one else fangasmed on the fact that Minato and Hiruzen are joining Naruto on the battlefield!


Oh god, imagine the pride Minato would feel after seeing Naruto's badassery? Or maybe he'll greet his son with this:

How long will they take to get there?