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[Transformers03]

I noticed.

I simply thought: Oh, I guess they were rushing with this chapter and overlooked not painting the hair color.

When I saw the Hokage mountain with Minato I immediately thought it didn't make sense, but I soon realized that it was probably just an honest mistake on Kishimoto's part. A mistake that he'll probably address in a future jump release or simply correct in the volume release.

It happened before with the paper flowers Konan gave to Naruto after the ordeal with Pain was over. In the next chapter he didn't have them and people where wondering why, some even assuming that Naruto simply threw the flowers away. That would've been a terrible assumption if left alone. But Kishi later corrected that mistake in the volume release by drawing a panel of Naruto placing the flowers in Jiraiya's grave just before arriving to Konoha.

As for the ages of Kakashi and the rest during the chunin exams, I'm sure Kishi simply wanted to retcon some of the ages. Some minor characters now being older or younger by a couple of years really doesn't affect the flow of the manga, it's not something to go crazy about.

I'm sure Kishi later thought that 6 years old was a little too young for Kakashi to already be chunin. Even Itachi, who I think is supposed to be an even bigger genius that Kakashi, didn't graduate the academy until he was 7 years old and then became chunin at 10.

Agree.

Despite all this complaints, I still love this chapter. This is probably one of my favorite chapters in a LONG TIME. I have read it like five times already.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Agree.

Despite all this complaints, I still love this chapter. This is probably one of my favorite chapters in a LONG TIME. I have read it like five times already.

Same here. I love this chapter and makes me thirst for next week.

[candycane-chan]

Same here. I love this chapter and makes me thirst for next week.

it was very emotional and i hope we get more explanation next weak

[Don-kun]

Agree.

Despite all this complaints, I still love this chapter. This is probably one of my favorite chapters in a LONG TIME. I have read it like five times already.

I'll admit that Kishi has a lot to explain, at the same time I'm no fan of the Tobito theory but I was never against it, since I am a fan of the obvious, and Tobi = Obito was very obvious to me from the day I find his power was similar to Kakashi's Kamui.

With the Chapter no Problem there, I love it and at the same time I was sad. The fact that Kishi made an obvious parallel with Obito/Naruto and his feelings for Sakura/Rin, but I was sad because of Obito's one side feelings for Rin.

But to be honest if Kishi doesn't give a good explanation about Rin, I will always feel very indifferent with her character, to tell Kakashi about her feelings even after Obito just die and Kakashi telling her that Obito love her, I really find that moment very selfish on her part, don't get me wrong I'm not against her loving Kakashi, I'm against the fact that her best friend just die sacrificing himself for Kakashi and telling Kakashi that his only regret was not telling her about his feelings, but Rin gave me a vibe of not giving a damn she wanted to know about her feelings for Kakashi. I believe that wasn't the right time to think about her feelings, that was a time to feel sorry about her lost friend and Kakashi's word about Obito's feelings for her even if she didn't feel the same way.
This is another obvious flaw Kishi have, he makes his characters too selfish.

[redragon88]

^ Well, you also have to take into account that just after they escaped the rock avalanche that they were immediately surrounded by enemy ninjas. The situation was looking even more hopeless at the moment and the chance for them to get out of that alive seemed very small. Add in the fact that Kakashi just told Rin to run away while he fought the enemy ninjas because he said he would protect her even if he dies.

Rin was probably under the believe that they were both gonna die anyway or that at the very least Kakashi was surely gonna die defending her. That made her be under a lot of duress, so she probably wanted to get off her chest the fact that she loved him before it was too late. Or maybe she wanted to tell him she loved him to let Kakashi know that him dying would make Rin even sadder, so they should instead try to run away together so the both of them could have a chance to live instead of Kakashi throwing his life away for Rin's sake.

Given the a lot of this chapter focused on Obito's love for Rin I'm sure that is gonna take a major role in the upcoming chapters. If it wasn't important then Kishi would've focused more on Obito's rivalry with Kakashi and left his love for Rin as a one panel reference, but instead it remains as a constant in the chapter. Even more so that his rivalry with Kakashi.

[merryGOflava]

^ Well, you also have to take into account that just after they escaped the rock avalanche that they were immediately surrounded by enemy ninjas. The situation was looking even more hopeless at the moment and the chance for them to get out of that alive seemed very small. Add in the fact that Kakashi just told Rin to run away while he fought the enemy ninjas because he said he would protect her even if he dies.

Rin was probably under the believe that they were both gonna die anyway or that at the very least Kakashi was surely gonna die defending her. That made her be under a lot of duress, so she probably wanted to get off her chest the fact that she loved him before it was too late. Or maybe she wanted to tell him she loved him to let Kakashi know that him dying would make Rin even sadder, so they should instead try to run away together so the both of them could have a chance to live instead of Kakashi throwing his life away for Rin's sake.

Given the a lot of this chapter focused on Obito's love for Rin I'm sure that is gonna take a major role in the upcoming chapters. If it wasn't important then Kishi would've focused more on Obito's rivalry with Kakashi and left his love for Rin as a one panel reference, but instead it remains as a constant in the chapter. Even more so that his rivalry with Kakashi.

why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?

[redragon88]

why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?

For plot purposes.

Still, I really want to know what happened to Rin after Obito "died". Maybe she never stopped grieving him and that jeopardized her abilities as a ninja which caused her death.

I would find it tragic if maybe after loosing Obito that Rin started falling in love with him. A case of "you don't know what you have until you loose it" type of deal.

[Gravenimage]

For plot purposes.

Still, I really want to know what happened to Rin after Obito "died". Maybe she never stopped grieving him and that jeopardized her abilities as a ninja which caused her death.

I would find it tragic if maybe after loosing Obito that Rin started falling in love with him. A case of "you don't know what you have until you loose it" type of deal.

I did kind of mentioned that after Obito died she realized she was in love with him and she didn't really love Kakashi after all. She must have felt too guilty to be able to go on living as a ninja and maybe she chose to run away from the village or something.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 August 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[candycane-chan]

why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?

i ask myself this question every.single.time

[TouKen4Life3g]

why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?

It goes to show you that love can be found anywhere. Obito was unfortunate to never get that true love. Girls, in Narutoverse, are often shown selfish or delusion for not seeing the right guy in front of them. I hope that doesn't come out sexist, but when I say girls, I mainly mean the big 3 team (Sarutobi, Minato, and 7). Jiraiya never got the girl, so his life, as he saw it, is a failure. That's why he's like so lay back because of so many unfortunate events for him. Obito never got to confess to Rin, only knowing that Rin was more interested in Kakashi.

Jiraiya is a fail one because he actually got rejected. Obito is the missed opportunity because he never got the chance to tell her how he feels. Naruto has yet got rejected as his opportunity is still open. That's why I believe Naruto will be with Sakura. But back to Obito. If Obito turn evil because of Rin, expect a lot of romance plot into the mix. Naruto is there in the open and if Obito does explain his love life, then Naruto will return his comment in full force. If Sakura arrives in the battle along with others of course and she happens to be near with Naruto, doing medical stuff, I do believe Obito will see it as a reference to his life. It could go both ways. One is that he feels sorrow in him that it reminded of his life so much. The other way is that he probably gets frustrated to see something that he couldn't get again because of Rin's death, so he will attack both of them hard. It remind me of Eureka 7 when that woman saw something that she couldn't have (children) she gets frustrated and strikes to kill.

I know it's a theory but the chance is there. We just have to wait for next week. It's going to be a hell of a week. If Sakura does hop in, expect something to what I said. I think her words, "No matter what, we are going to do this together," is really vital to this. Can't wait!

[Don-kun]

why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?

I agree with this, the love the character have for guys that ignore them, has no name.

DanTsu

MinaKushi

AsumaKurenai

Are good examples of love, we see the development and both sides, teens are exactly what you call them. Hopeless romantics.

[redragon88]

^ I'm pretty sure that the only reason JiraTsu never happened was because every time Jiraiya expressed interest in Tsunade it came off as perverted.

I think Tsunade just thought that Jiraiya was after her body, at least when they were younger. When they both became older Tsunade came to realize that Jiraiya was serious about loving her, if the chapter of their last goodbye is anything to go by.

That episode with them together for the last time was really heartbreaking since I already knew that in the last scene Jiraiya was walking away from Tsunade to march toward his death and never see her again.

[candycane-chan]

But back to Obito. If Obito turn evil because of Rin, expect a lot of romance plot into the mix. Naruto is there in the open and if Obito does explain his love life, then Naruto will return his comment in full force. If Sakura arrives in the battle along with others of course and she happens to be near with Naruto, doing medical stuff, I do believe Obito will see it as a reference to his life. It could go both ways. One is that he feels sorrow in him that it reminded of his life so much. The other way is that he probably gets frustrated to see something that he couldn't get again because of Rin's death, so he will attack both of them hard. It remind me of Eureka 7 when that woman saw something that she couldn't have (children) she gets frustrated and strikes to kill.

I know it's a theory but the chance is there. We just have to wait for next week. It's going to be a hell of a week. If Sakura does hop in, expect something to what I said. I think her words, "No matter what, we are going to do this together," is really vital to this. Can't wait!

i really hope that happens even if it seems toooo good for kishi to do so but emagine naruto talking about onesided love and all just the moment when sakura and the others arrive and she would get to hear it too

[TouKen4Life3g]

i really hope that happens even if it seems toooo good for kishi to do so but emagine naruto talking about onesided love and all just the moment when sakura and the others arrive and she would get to hear it too

That's a wishful thinking.

We should wait and see the reason why he turned dark. Oh yeah, Hinata is not a medic, so almost safe to say she won't be near with Naruto in the battle. Sakura will be since some of the guys are hurt, especially Kakashi.

[candycane-chan]

That's a wishful thinking.

We should wait and see the reason why he turned dark. Oh yeah, Hinata is not a medic, so almost safe to say she won't be near with Naruto in the battle. Sakura will be since some of the guys are hurt, especially Kakashi.

righ i almost forgot about that ,so we're bound to have a moment when the fight is over,right? but if it turns out not to be the "obito" then all this thinkijg will go down the drain

[TouKen4Life3g]

righ i almost forgot about that ,so we're bound to have a moment when the fight is over,right? but if it turns out not to be the "obito" then all this thinkijg will go down the drain

Well of course, lol. But why show the flashback? Why show so much on his love life? Why work so much on the chapter, which is beautifully done? While I do believe there's more than just Obito, I believe he is still part of this. I believe "Tobi" is someone else as well. Obito most likely agree to be part of it because of the outcome of the war.

[ciardha]

So then THE Hokage went out on the field with a chunin/jonin team (my bad) just to take out a bridge and eliminate twenty or so men? I see no explanation for that. SO it would only make sense that he did something in the war that made Hiruzen finally pass on the title. That would fit perfectly with Jiraya failing to 'save' Orochimaru after he got upset that he wasn't given the title. Minato already being hokage before the war would screw up way more things than it would fix. So unless otherwise directly stated, I'll assume that Kishimoto made a mistake in ONE panel. I mean come on, he's only human.

And to your age point, he was not yet thirty (Younger than Kakashi) and he was used as a benchmark for 'youngest hokage' when Danzo was nominated. Everyone also called Kakashi too young to be Hokage so we can assume Hiruzen was at least in his mid thirties by the time he became hokage. Now you choose.

EDIT
And how do you know he was 25 when he became the Sanin's sensei? Am I missing something?

He was 69 when Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Tsunade were 50, they were 6 when they became Genin. Thus Hiruzen was was 25. (and in Tsunade's flashback when she met Jiraiya for the first time Kishimoto does draw them like he draws kids around 6 or 7... (they are clearly younger than in the flashback we saw in part 1 where Jiraiya had failed Hiruzen's bell test (apparently Hiruzen employed it on a regular basis when they were Genin as a training exercise, because Hiruzen talks about Jiraiya failing again, etc... At that point they look around 12-13. They must have become Chunnin finally shortly after that (I guessing at 14 or so, because they were already at least Chunin when Tsunade was around 16 when Nawaki died.)

omg....would people Quit complaining!!!!

come on!!! i went through 2 pages of people saying that kishi is becoming a bad writer! are you guys serious?????

do you guys even wanna here the full story before you jump to conclusions??? sure..we know its obito now, but like i said before we still dont know how? so chillax!!!


second about minato being hokage and still training obito rin and kakashi

wasnt sarutobi(forgot his name...the 3rd hokage) also training kids when he was still hokage? tsunade, jiraiya, orochimaru

if i remember.....he became hokage right when the 2nd hokage went on a suicide mission. and he was younger then.

so he was older when he was training the 3 sannin meaning he was still hokage?

so it seems totally legit that minato is hokage and training kakashi and the rest.

Thank you! It doesn't bother me and I'm a chronology geek. I'm just like, okay adjust the timeline to fit what Kishimoto wants now. I think that now that he's a parent that might have changed his mind about how young he had Kakashi become Genin and Chunin.

And yes, Hashirama was Hokage when he and Tobirama taught Hiruzen, Koharu and Homura, so being Hokage doesn't prevent a person from being the sensei of a Genin team.

Edited by ciardha, 01 September 2012 - 01:23 AM.

[Nefertieh]

For plot purposes.

Still, I really want to know what happened to Rin after Obito "died". Maybe she never stopped grieving him and that jeopardized her abilities as a ninja which caused her death.

I would find it tragic if maybe after loosing Obito that Rin started falling in love with him. A case of "you don't know what you have until you loose it" type of deal.

Given that Kakashi said he failed to protect her, it seems to be implied that she died in battle.

[tricksie]

so ciardha, are you coming to us live from dragoncon?

[Codus N]

And since when do we trust Kishimoto's drawings to tell age or for that matter the databooks? Both have enough holes and inconsistencies with the actual storyline for me to completely ignore them. Remember, it's the same thing that says Kakashi was chunin before Obito and Rin even graduated the academy.

That's my only beef with Kishi's artwork. It's often inaccurate when it comes to drawing characters to look their age.

This. I'm hearing a lot of pissing, moaning and whining about this and that, and all before the whole story and explanation is revealed.

This is whats referred to as an AHAH!! chapter. A chapter that throws a major league road block at the audience and trips them up sneds them sprawling and face planting into the dirt., before a big reveal of who, what, where, when, why, and how.

lets try reading first then asking questions later.


also about the edo tensei coffin I agree it could very well be that person. Thats an entirely plausible scenario given the recent reveal.

Yeah, the kitten over at MH and NF is HUGE. All I see are people whining. They should know that this is a weekly manga for god's sake!! of course you wouldn't be able to get the full story yet.

I noticed.

I simply thought: Oh, I guess they were rushing with this chapter and overlooked not painting the hair color.

When I saw the Hokage mountain with Minato I immediately thought it didn't make sense, but I soon realized that it was probably just an honest mistake on Kishimoto's part. A mistake that he'll probably address in a future jump release or simply correct in the volume release.

It happened before with the paper flowers Konan gave to Naruto after the ordeal with Pain was over. In the next chapter he didn't have them and people where wondering why, some even assuming that Naruto simply threw the flowers away. That would've been a terrible assumption if left alone. But Kishi later corrected that mistake in the volume release by drawing a panel of Naruto placing the flowers in Jiraiya's grave just before arriving to Konoha.

As for the ages of Kakashi and the rest during the chunin exams, I'm sure Kishi simply wanted to retcon some of the ages. Some minor characters now being older or younger by a couple of years really doesn't affect the flow of the manga, it's not something to go crazy about.

I'm sure Kishi later thought that 6 years old was a little too young for Kakashi to already be chunin. Even Itachi, who I think is supposed to be an even bigger genius that Kakashi, didn't graduate the academy until he was 7 years old and then became chunin at 10.

Bolded: which page is that??

Regarding the retcon stuff, I think it has to do more with consistency (or a lack of it). A good author should always be as consistent as possible. That's what got people in a tailspin.

EDIT: well, that certainly didn't take long. a new fanfic speculating on Obito's story just came out. It's pretty good.

http://www.fanfictio...tter-in-the-air

EDIT 2: Another thing, about the possibility of a NS moment in the horizon thanks to Obito, I wonder if Obito will lash out to Sakura and bash her for not being able to make up her mind about her two boys. He'll probably make some comparisons to himself and Team 7. I dunno, somehow, I can see Sakura realizing Obito is exactly what Naruto will be like if she turned him down. I don't think that'll happen, though, but it would pose an interesting question to her. Who knows, maybe the fear of Naruto falling to Obito's level will push her to make a decision.

But this would seem too forceful. So it's not likely. But the question still poses as an interesting question for her to reflect on.

Edited by Codus N, 01 September 2012 - 06:25 AM.