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[narulsaku]

He didn't want her to be bashed, which no writer would want that to happen to their main character, and he was angry at some people who are doing this to his heroine.
He made Sakura's character from a ninja who's in training to a ninja who could bring her opponent K.O'ed in just one punch, not to mention her great ability in medical jutsus and what i like the most about this that she was trained and had learned everything from Tsunade XD

yes okey then. so as we were talking about the bench scense . if that would happen again. just like before then what would be sakuras reaction.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I completely hate this about some people. Sakura's character in general is supposed to be considered realistic.

I do not think realistic means annoying, there's a big difference, and even if you are drawing an heroine when you draw an heroine you must make her to be at least sympathic, and the fans to empathize with her, the first impression lasts and it's difficult to change this, it's fault of the "rabid" NH fans but i blame kishimoto for this too, he has no right to blame while he's the one who caused this, and leave her character behind so many times, if you compare part 1 hinata was more realistic than sakura, hinata was the type of girl that no one cares or think that she exists, espite she being a side character she was more "sympathic" than sakura in part 1, and in part 1 regarding NS there were a lot of setbacks.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 October 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

You see, the thing is, there's this thing called "character development". It's generally needed for a character to be considered of quality. Sakura is arguably the one with the most character development in the entire series. This is by no means a bad thing; it's an excellent one. First impressions are important, yes, but character development is more important. If every author had to go by first impressions, then almost all characters wouldn't be very flawed at the start, and that's very uninteresting.

[narulsaku]

oh yes thats exactly true zacrath. i agree with that. but how kisi is going to devlop her fighting that was very interesting. in the fight with sasori. i mean she was so scared in the part 1 . and just in the battle with the water ninjas . that was awasome too.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You see, the thing is, there's this thing called "character development". It's generally needed for a character to be considered of quality. Sakura is arguably the one with the most character development in the entire series. This is by no means a bad thing; it's an excellent one. First impressions are important, yes, but character development is more important. If every author had to go by first impressions, then almost all characters wouldn't be very flawed at the start, and that's very uninteresting.

I'm not talking about development, because her development was innevitable, but her annoying trait she had on part 1 made her to be hated and again i said that it's difficult to remove it, then we go to gaara's rescue arc, we see sakura battling against sasori, it almost an unanimity that she was better there, but kishi stopped her development and we see more development on emotional side, in that arc was her last battle, if she had more 1 or two battles her hatedom would decrease greatly.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 October 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I'm not talking about development, because her development was innevitable, but her annoying trait she had on part 1 made her to be hated and again i said that it's difficult to remove it, then we go to gaara's rescue arc, we see sakura battling against sasori, it almost an unanimity that she was better there, but kishi stopped her development and we see more development on emotional side, in that arc was her last battle, if she had more 1 or two battles her hatedom would decrease greatly.

In that case, it just comes down to people thinking that fighting is the only thing that matters in a character. Which is incredibly shallow.

oh yes thats exactly true zacrath. i agree with that. but how kisi is going to devlop her fighting that was very interesting. in the fight with sasori. i mean she was so scared in the part 1 . and just in the battle with the water ninjas . that was awasome too.

I'd be interested to see her fight more, don't get me wrong. But I'd totally understand if she didn't get another fight for a long while; she's so good a character that she doesn't need a fight.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I do not think realistic means annoying, there's a big difference, and even if you are drawing an heroine when you draw an heroine you must make her to be at least sympathic, and the fans to empathize with her, the first impression lasts and it's difficult to change this, it's fault of the "rabid" NH fans but i blame kishimoto for this too, he has no right to blame while he's the one who caused this, and leave her character behind so many times, if you compare part 1 hinata was more realistic than sakura, hinata was the type of girl that no one cares or think that she exists, espite she being a side character she was more "sympathic" than sakura in part 1, and in part 1 regarding NS there were a lot of setbacks.

In some ways yes, some ways no. A realistic character can start off as bratty and childish. Realistically, many people do start out with obvious faults when young. And in real life, they can change remarkably when they get older. But true, it is somewhat Kishi's fault in Part 1 for being so hated now. First impressions do last and people can be easily judgemental. That's also why Sakura is so hated.


Personally, I think both Hinata and Sakura were realistic-type characters. Sakura for example, had a crush on the cool, popular kid only to be ignored. I bet many girls could relate to that and that created SasuSaku fans in part one( Or simply, for the shallow reason of Sasuke being "cool" ). Hinata was the shy girl who had a crush on some guy who did not return it and never truly paid much attention to her but she was too shy and meek to step up. Many people can also relate to Hinata's place on the sidelines ( Hell, even I could relate to that). That created Hinata fans and then simultaneously NaruHina fans. Or maybe it was because Hinata is "cute".


I don't think Kishi intended to make Hinata relatable or even very popular. The one he wanted people to relate to ending up being hated to death by more than half of the Naruto fandom, while Hinata's popularity continued to skyrocket. Poor Kishi.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In that case, it just comes down to people thinking that fighting is the only thing that matters in a character. Which is incredibly shallow.

It's a shounen of course battling matters, if she's a heroine she would have to fight a side or support naruto better.
shallow is a development only about emotions in a shounen skills and abilities matter too.


I'd be interested to see her fight more, don't get me wrong. But I'd totally understand if she didn't get another fight for a long while; she's so good a character that she doesn't need a fight.

I disagree with you, one of the main problems that sakura thinks about itself is because she thinks she's weak and cant do anything to help naruto, if she could at least had 1 or 2 more fight to have confidence about herself, disagree with you in the part of she's a so good character she's good only not more than that.

development is linked with wich man she will choose in the end, if she chooses sasuke her development will be destroyed, if she chooses naruto it closes if you think that a character with this type of development is so good, so i dont understand you.
the reason why i pointed out that she need to have more fight and develop her ninjutsus skills to assist naruto better is just for her development not to be only on the emotional side.

he was doing that on the begining of the shippuuden and a lot of people liked it.

Edited by dovahkiin, 01 October 2012 - 02:52 PM.

[Turson]

I disagree with you, one of the main problems that sakura thinks about itself is because she thinks she's weak and cant do anything to help naruto, if she could at least had 1 or 2 more fight to have confidence about herself, disagree with you in the part of she's a so good character she's good only not more than that.

I agree. Besides shes the main heroine in shounen manga, not some romance fodder. Shes definietly supposed to fight.

[T XD]

I'm definitely sure that Sakura is hated mostly because from the part of other pairing fans that don't like her with Naruto. Things had gone pretty bad with all of this parings stuff so I'm not surprised.
I understand she was being not that much of a character for some in part 1 but they should know by now that she has progressed a lot and she's a strong ninja. So, if they can't or don't want to understand then the only thing I can say that I hope they'll do and which relates that they don't want to let go of their hating for her nor they don't want to stop bashing her, and i think they enjoy bashing her.

yes okey then. so as we were talking about the bench scense . if that would happen again. just like before then what would be sakuras reaction.

If it would happen again then it's not different either from what i told you before on how she would be and react on knowing that it's Naruto or make her realize, which it depends on the story line for how it's going to go and how it ends.

Edited by T XD, 01 October 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I guess I'm one of the few people hoping for more out of this manga than generic shounen. *shrug*

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I guess I'm one of the few people hoping for more out of this manga than generic shounen. *shrug*

Everything that kishi did until now is shounen, friendship and the tematic of the manga, i do not expect anything new or an abrupt change because lately the manga is "read and accept it"

[narulsaku]

yeha she is a good character . but i want her to fight with naruto. to prove her self to them who bash her . afterall she is one of my favorite

[T XD]

Even if she fights with Naruto or saves him or whatever happens, they'll still go for the bashing.
It's a long journey for them and when the manga ends, there's even going to be more bashing which I won't be surprised at all.

[narulsaku]

Even if she fights with Naruto or saves him or whatever happens, they'll still go for the bashing.
It's a long journey for them and when the manga ends, there's even going to be more bashing which I won't be surprised at all.

why they dont give her a chance. as a heroine she should be respected. not bashed. why they dont see any good inside her.

[T XD]

why they dont give her a chance. as a heroine she should be respected. not bashed. why they dont see any good inside her.

Well, I'm not a psychiatrist or anything but i can tell that they're blinded by the hatred they have on her.
They simply don't want her to be more effective and powerful which what a heroine should be. How should I put this in another way too; Mostly like they feel that she somewhat threats their own interest that they want from the manga.

Edited by T XD, 02 October 2012 - 05:55 AM.

[Anguyen92]

why they dont give her a chance. as a heroine she should be respected. not bashed. why they dont see any good inside her.

They should. I mean on the other side of the coin, I'm willing to give Hinata a chance to do something to showcase what she is all about. However, she's a side character that may not do a lot of impact to the plot anyway, so that could be out as an option. But for Sakura, I feel like the best has yet to come for her in terms of her involvement in the main plotline.

Edited by Anguyen92, 01 October 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[T XD]

They should. I mean on the other side of the coin, I'm willing to give Hinata a chance to do something to showcase what she is all about. However, she's a side character that may not do a lot of impact to the plot anyway, so that's out as an option. But for Sakura, I feel like the best has yet to come for her in terms of her involvement in the main plotline.

Yup, I can see the best of her will be when the alliance arrive and their battle begins.
She's a main character that is on the battle field which we'll see her shining and what she has got for us to see.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think you guys dont get it it's not about her hate, i'm saying that her hatedom started on part 1 and kishi did not show her on the same way he did on the begining of the shippuuden and about her shinning in the battlefield, everyone will arrive so expect to see hinata,kiba,ino,shika, and the others i think she will have the same spotlight as them.

[T XD]

I think you guys dont get it it's not about her hate, i'm saying that her hatedom started on part 1 and kishi did not show her on the same way he did on the begining of the shippuuden and about her shinning in the battlefield, everyone will arrive so expect to see hinata,kiba,ino,shika, and the others i think she will have the same spotlight as them.

Yea, we said that before. We were saying what could stop them and how, which I don't think they'll stop.
But, you should expect that she could shine when the alliance arrive and I'm 90% sure that she'll have it cause we can't compare her in the roles of the side character cause she's a main character, so she never has the same spotlight as the others in such an important fight.

Edited by T XD, 02 October 2012 - 05:54 AM.