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[PachucoDesigns]

Love isn't about who "deserves" who. It's about two people forming an intimate relationship by accepting each other for who they are. That means embracing both someones's good sides and someone's bad sides. Naruto and Sakura have both done that. The only question remaining now is if they're both willing to take their relationship to the next stage.

I'm not so sure about that, to be honest. To me, it seems like Naruto never even acknowledged her bad side. And she...well...."Naruto, baka!!!! *punch*" lol

How would Naruto confront Sakura about their relationship, and would that lead into a romance.

You know what? If you guys come up with a way for Naruto to confront a girl that he is almost positive does not love him the way he loves her, and it ends up in romance, let me know. That's some information I could use, too. lol

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 13 April 2012 - 03:10 AM.

[ciardha]

because I don't remember much mangas in which the rival was a girl and at the same time the boy's love interest.

A number of shoujo manga:
Karekano
Card Captor Sakura
Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
St. Tail
Shugo Chara
Rose of Versailles (Andre and Lady Oscar have a bit of a rivalry thing as well as their mutual attraction, but Lady Oscar, in her youth, is also attracted to Ferson who is a rival to her on sword fighting)

and it does happen in shonen too, I can recall one right off the top of my head:
Cheeky Angel
and Ranma 1/2 too now that I think about it.
There's this in NGE on Asuka's side toward Shinji as well

Edited by ciardha, 13 April 2012 - 03:20 AM.

[Dragunov]

You know what? If you guys come up with a way for Naruto to confront a girl that he is almost positive does not love him the way he loves her, and it ends up in romance, let me know. That's some information I could use, too. lol

Then, how do you think this pairing would come to fruition? Would she have to confront him?

[Don-kun]

@PachucoDesigns


If Sakura doens't make a move towars Naruto, then there will be no NS. Naruto already learn to accept the fact that Sakura still love Sasuke and he respects her feelings, is really hard to ignores SS with the way Kishi treats Naruto and Sakura when it comes to thier feeliing and if I'm honest with my relationship sometime I doubt NS will happen. I just don't want to lose hope in the most logical, and developed pairing in this manga and the fact that they deeply care about the other that is very clear, but the way Kishi is writing lately it make me think about it over and over, i just need a small hint that there is still change with the paring to ignore Sakura ligering feeling for Sasuke since chapter 469 to 540 and Hinata declaration in chapter 573.

I just feel that Kishi is been driving lately by the popularity of NH and SS, and before any one say that if Kishi was been driven by Fans then the Manga will be KakaIru and SasuNaru.
Kishi stateted himself that he did plan to make the story end with a light SasuNaru, but reader will find it ofensive and that aplays to KakaIru has well.

SS is so wrong but is still alive why Kishi? why that pairing is so popular, why Kishi? you try so hard to give Sasuke a free pass weed his redemption and the and with the only girl Naruto has ever love. where is the never give up where is Obito speech, about the meaning of comrade.

Seriously, it does. Think about it, if he is redeemed, he won't have to face jack kitten for the things he threatened to do, actually did, or tried to do. Kishi make Naruto is his b*tch and won't let him rot in prison even if he slaughtered Konoha. Sasuke isn't going to face the consequences for his actions, Sasuke's fate won't be a horrible one as Itachi claimed for "those that raise their hands against their comrades". He's going to get coddled, he's going to get a free pass when we've had others punished and ultimately faced a karmic death for doing less. Yeah, I know Sasuke apologists like to go "you don't understand Sasuke!", or make some insane case that he's justified in slaughtering a village full of innocents, well as I stated it's insane and people should pay no mind to that. He has a right to be angry, he has a right to demand justice (IE, punishing the elders). He didn't and doesn't have a right to do all the other kitten he did, especially against his friends, and nothing excuses him of these actions, but he'll get a free pass anyways due to everyone being converted to Uzumakianity by then.

What Naruto teaches is that no matter what horrible shi* you do or threaten to do, as long as you've got friends (or obsessed maniacs) in high places, you can get away with it because they'll go out of their way to cover your a**.

What Sasuke suffered is tragic, but not uncommon. Sasuke's own hangups and superiority complex is what drove him to that state of mind, and what drove him to accept Orochimaru's offer of power. He made the choice to betray his comrades, and start on this path of evil, and he's always had the choice to turn back from it. He did not. Again, as I made clear, Sasuke has a right to be angry and a right to want to pursue justice, he didn't have a right to do everything in his attempt to get to that end. Sasuke was coerced, but he was fully conscious of the decisions and the consequences that would arise from them, as well as any alternatives he could've pursued.

Again, it's not a matter if he deserves redemption. It isn't a matter of whether or not he will get redeemed, which you guys don't seem to get. It's the message that his redemption sends. I assume this still escapes you so I'll elaborate:

He is an individual whom made the conscious decision to carry out the acts that he succeeded in and attempted to do, as well as make the threats fully being aware of the nature of such deeds as well as their potential consequences in lieu of alternatives that he was also fully aware of.

Also the matter of hatred within his clan is not genetically predisposed, it's not some magic spell or jutsu Sasuke is under either. What it refers to is the legacy that the brother (the founder of the clan) left behind when he raised arms against his younger brother, the founder of the Senju that continued on for generations after each of their passing.

So againg Kishi why SS is still that popular why you can't that pairing for good after his been so negative.

Edited by donjoseph19, 13 April 2012 - 05:16 AM.

[merryGOflava]

You know what? If you guys come up with a way for Naruto to confront a girl that he is almost positive does not love him the way he loves her, and it ends up in romance, let me know. That's some information I could use, too. lol

i asked my naruhina friend....what would sakura have to do for you to accept narusaku.

and he said, she would have to risk her life for naruto.

so....i guess a scene like that would help confirm any doubts about her love for naruto.

yea its kinda hard...XD but this is a manga so why not?

(there are other ways of course though) thats just the extreme way

[PachucoDesigns]

@PachucoDesigns


If Sakura doens't make a move towars Naruto, then there will be no NS. Naruto already learn to accept the fact that Sakura still love Sasuke and he respects her feelings, is really hard to ignores SS with the way Kishi treats Naruto and Sakura when it comes to thier feeliing and if I'm honest with my relationship sometime I doubt NS will happen. I just don't want to lose hope in the most logical, and developed pairing in this manga and the fact that they deeply care about the other that is very clear, but the way Kishi is writing lately it make me think about it over and over, i just need a small hint that there is still change with the paring to ignore Sakura ligering feeling for Sasuke since chapter 469 to 540 and Hinata declaration in chapter 573.

I just feel that Kishi is been driving lately by the popularity of NH and SS, and before any one say that if Kishi was been driven by Fans then the Manga will be KakaIru and SasuNaru.
Kishi stateted himself that he did plan to make the story end with a light SasuNaru, but reader will find it ofensive and that aplays to KakaIru has well.

SS is so wrong but is still alive why Kishi? why that pairing is so popular, why Kishi? you try so hard to give Sasuke a free pass weed his redemption and the and with the only girl Naruto has ever love. where is the never give up where is Obito speech, about the meaning of comrade.

Seriously, it does. Think about it, if he is redeemed, he won't have to face jack kitten for the things he threatened to do, actually did, or tried to do. Kishi make Naruto is his b*tch and won't let him rot in prison even if he slaughtered Konoha. Sasuke isn't going to face the consequences for his actions, Sasuke's fate won't be a horrible one as Itachi claimed for "those that raise their hands against their comrades". He's going to get coddled, he's going to get a free pass when we've had others punished and ultimately faced a karmic death for doing less. Yeah, I know Sasuke apologists like to go "you don't understand Sasuke!", or make some insane case that he's justified in slaughtering a village full of innocents, well as I stated it's insane and people should pay no mind to that. He has a right to be angry, he has a right to demand justice (IE, punishing the elders). He didn't and doesn't have a right to do all the other kitten he did, especially against his friends, and nothing excuses him of these actions, but he'll get a free pass anyways due to everyone being converted to Uzumakianity by then.

What Naruto teaches is that no matter what horrible shi* you do or threaten to do, as long as you've got friends (or obsessed maniacs) in high places, you can get away with it because they'll go out of their way to cover your a**.

What Sasuke suffered is tragic, but not uncommon. Sasuke's own hangups and superiority complex is what drove him to that state of mind, and what drove him to accept Orochimaru's offer of power. He made the choice to betray his comrades, and start on this path of evil, and he's always had the choice to turn back from it. He did not. Again, as I made clear, Sasuke has a right to be angry and a right to want to pursue justice, he didn't have a right to do everything in his attempt to get to that end. Sasuke was coerced, but he was fully conscious of the decisions and the consequences that would arise from them, as well as any alternatives he could've pursued.

Again, it's not a matter if he deserves redemption. It isn't a matter of whether or not he will get redeemed, which you guys don't seem to get. It's the message that his redemption sends. I assume this still escapes you so I'll elaborate:

He is an individual whom made the conscious decision to carry out the acts that he succeeded in and attempted to do, as well as make the threats fully being aware of the nature of such deeds as well as their potential consequences in lieu of alternatives that he was also fully aware of.

Also the matter of hatred within his clan is not genetically predisposed, it's not some magic spell or jutsu Sasuke is under either. What it refers to is the legacy that the brother (the founder of the clan) left behind when he raised arms against his younger brother, the founder of the Senju that continued on for generations after each of their passing.

So againg Kishi why SS is still that popular why you can't that pairing for good after his been so negative.

Kishimoto is not directing his story at the will of the fans, or based on the popularity. If he has any experience as a storyteller, and he does, then he already has the story planned out well in advance regardless of what the fans do or do not want.

And as for Sasuke's "redemption," I repeat, I will lose respect for Sasuke's character and for Kishimoto as a writer if he actually has him come back to the Leaf. That ending is absurd and cliche. People throw around the word "redemption," and I don't think that's appropriate. I think he's perfectly justified in doing what he has done.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 13 April 2012 - 06:18 AM.

[lord287]

@PachucoDesigns


If Sakura doens't make a move towars Naruto, then there will be no NS. Naruto already learn to accept the fact that Sakura still love Sasuke and he respects her feelings, is really hard to ignores SS with the way Kishi treats Naruto and Sakura when it comes to thier feeliing and if I'm honest with my relationship sometime I doubt NS will happen. I just don't want to lose hope in the most logical, and developed pairing in this manga and the fact that they deeply care about the other that is very clear, but the way Kishi is writing lately it make me think about it over and over, i just need a small hint that there is still change with the paring to ignore Sakura ligering feeling for Sasuke since chapter 469 to 540 and Hinata declaration in chapter 573.

As far as i think I am even ready to accept sakura getting paired up with any random guy if NS is not going to happen but I just don't want SS to happen because it is definitely very wrong! As for the NS pairing the main problem i am thinking it is facing is sakura is holding feelings for sasuke which i think kishi has clarified is still romantic in chapter 540! Just like you I also know NS is best pairing for manga and everything but I am also seriously doubting the pairing! For me the best way to accept NS will be if a life death situation is put up between a normal sasuke and Naruto and she choses naruto in her very first thought! It will be even beter if she does not cry like hell when/if she is healing naruto over sasuke!(otherwise it will be no use)

As for chapter 540 I am really thinking kishi might not be going for NS recently, because if he is going he has to set up a romantic NS moment (from both sides since naruto's feelings are not been showed recently and saura has been showing too much feelings towards sasuke lately) in the upcoming chapters very soon! And if by chance another SS moment is shown(even if it is from sakura i don't think NS will happen or i will be able to accept it without proper reasoning). Because what the heck it will be sakura showed so many feelings for sasuke and then chose naruto! That will become definitely like naruto choses hinata in the end

[redragon88]

A number of shoujo manga:
Karekano
Card Captor Sakura
Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
St. Tail
Shugo Chara
Rose of Versailles (Andre and Lady Oscar have a bit of a rivalry thing as well as their mutual attraction, but Lady Oscar, in her youth, is also attracted to Ferson who is a rival to her on sword fighting)

and it does happen in shonen too, I can recall one right off the top of my head:
Cheeky Angel
and Ranma 1/2 too now that I think about it.
There's this in NGE on Asuka's side toward Shinji as well

Thank you for the list of manga, but I guess I should've been more specific. What I meant to say is that I don't know of much manga in which the main protagonist is a male and his rival is a female and potential love interest.

I don't read much Shojo but I'm aware that a good many times the rival of the main female character turns out to be a boy and later becomes a love interest. Just like what happened in Card Captor Sakura (one of the first animes I ever saw), the minute they introduced Syaoran I knew he was gonna end together with Sakura and back then I didn't even know what a tsundere was, which Syaoran totally was.

I just wish a main male character had a rival female to go toe to toe with more often. Shojos always have a female protagonist so it's impossible for it to happen there (but those stories are excellent in their own right). I heard Cheeky Angel has a female protagonist as well and I'm sure that in Ranma 1/2 Ryoga is Ranma's rival for most of the story.

You do have a point with NGE and Shinji's rivalry and relationship with Asuka. I just wish more main male character stories had that kind of dynamic with a female rival, minus all the depression of course (We only need one NGE).

I think it has great potential. A boy and a girl working hard to surpass each other because they don't want to loose to the other. They grow equally and realize they have fallen in love with each other so now instead of training hard to defeat the other they do it because each of them wants to protect the other with all their might. Now that's the action/romance story I want to hear about.

Edited by redragon88, 13 April 2012 - 08:35 AM.

[catsi563]

and he said, she would have to risk her life for naruto.

You mean like rushing towards a Kyubified Naruto heedless of her own safety in order to save him from the pain he was in?

that type of scene?

[PachucoDesigns]

You mean like rushing towards a Kyubified Naruto heedless of her own safety in order to save him from the pain he was in?

that type of scene?

No, more like a "standing between sakura and a big, piercing blade, taking it in the back so she can be safe" scene. You know, something Naruto can actually see and remember. We're not talking about what justifies the pairing in your eyes. We're talking about what would kick it off in their world.

[Namaenash]

As for chapter 540 I am really thinking kishi might not be going for NS recently, because if he is going he has to set up a romantic NS moment (from both sides since naruto's feelings are not been showed recently and saura has been showing too much feelings towards sasuke lately) in the upcoming chapters very soon! And if by chance another SS moment is shown(even if it is from sakura i don't think NS will happen or i will be able to accept it without proper reasoning). Because what the heck it will be sakura showed so many feelings for sasuke and then chose naruto! That will become definitely like naruto choses hinata in the end

Please see the bigger picture: the manga is not finished yet. It is premature at this point to consider certain pairing cannot happen.

I believe 540 is a piece that will be addressed in the future. If you think it is bad, brace yourself because we're going to endure at least one SS moment in the future. I think it's inevitable, and it is bound to happen. I believe there will be NH or SS moment before all is wrapped up and closed by NS.

Do ask yourself, does that single panel in 540 negate all NS development for 500+ chapters (ever since Sakura is introduced in ch 3)? I don't think so, because the manga is not finished yet. It will be addressed in the future. Simple example is during the pein arc when Hinata made the confession. That was a very demoralizing period for NS fans. Even worst than 540 I think. Some even suggest that by the end of the arc, NH will be canon. But guess what? That highest NH moment (Hinata confession) is closed with NS moment (Sakura hugged Naruto).

Kishi could choose something else, but he didn't. He choose to show Sakura to hug Naruto.

If you say anything could happen, then NS is also a probability right? But, out of all probability, which one is the more likely and logically to happen? NS.

What's the point designing Kushina which has a lot of resemblance of Sakura and giving that message to her newborn on choosing a woman like herself? Kishi can choose to design a mother which is shy, introvert but sweet right? Yes he can, but he didn't.

There's a lot of bigger pictures and messages that people tend to underplay... It's ok to have doubt, but let's see the bright side: the manga is not finished yet, and we have tons of development for NS compared to other pairings.

[TerrorKing]

No, more like a "standing between sakura and a big, piercing blade, taking it in the back so she can be safe" scene. You know, something Naruto can actually see and remember. We're not talking about what justifies the pairing in your eyes. We're talking about what would kick it off in their world.

So what if Naruto couldn't see and remember it? All it would take is that Yamato told him what happened and how Sakura got injured. That scene is a perfectly valid NS moment.

Edited by TerrorKing, 13 April 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[ciardha]

You mean like rushing towards a Kyubified Naruto heedless of her own safety in order to save him from the pain he was in?

that type of scene?

Or this, Sakura acting to punch Sasuke into next week for hurting Naruto

http://www.mangahere...v34/c308/7.html

[James S Cassidy]

I can understand how people can get this sense that one moment could make or break something in a story. Especially in a love interest story (I know, Naruto isn't a love story. Just saying.) I have seen it happen. Though it is rare for it to happen.

It's something I always hated that writers do. Some do it because they want to piss off their fans. Others do it because they think it is a clever writing technique. I always hated miss leading facts in stories only to have an outcome come way from left field that makes no sense. (ie. Wonder Years, Tokyo Mew Mew etc.)

Unfortunately, we won't know until the end of the manga. Hopefully, all the development that has happened in this story isn't wasted.

[lord287]

I can understand how people can get this sense that one moment could make or break something in a story. Especially in a love interest story (I know, Naruto isn't a love story. Just saying.) I have seen it happen. Though it is rare for it to happen.

It's something I always hated that writers do. Some do it because they want to piss off their fans. Others do it because they think it is a clever writing technique. I always hated miss leading facts in stories only to have an outcome come way from left field that makes no sense. (ie. Wonder Years, Tokyo Mew Mew etc.)

Unfortunately, we won't know until the end of the manga. Hopefully, all the development that has happened in this story isn't wasted.

Actually he can end naruto and sakura with other people also with the development they had still intact because the development could be taken as in a friendly manner since the feelings fo sakura towards naruto are still unknown! So if he ends them with other people or even SS and NH happens i think he will keep the development by keeping them very good friends! Although I seriously hope that the development they had turns out to be romantic and NS happens in the end!

[Gravenimage]

As I said many times before the development is already been done and Kishi has shown that their friendship is between best friends turning to lovers. NS is there alive and well Kishi is not going to bother wasting panel time showing the reader to remind him who loves who. Naruto loves Sakura that will never change, Sakura has already chosen who is the most important person to her and wants to protect, Kishi needs to add tension and drama that's why he's keeping NH and SS as pairing fodder.

Now what's annoying me is why do Sasuke needs to end up with someone for a pairing? He doesn't deserve to be pair up with someone, in fact he could care less about that. He's not interested in the least to have a woman but here we go again he has to end up with someone and it has to be Sakura. It has to be her so that NH can happen without SS there's no NH, and even if by a miracle SS becomes canon NH will never become canon Naruto will never love Hinata, having a relationship with her will be nothing but living a big lie. I haven't lost my faith in NS so why do others have to lose it just because of one panel from 540???

Edited by Gravenimage, 13 April 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Don-kun]

I can understand how people can get this sense that one moment could make or break something in a story. Especially in a love interest story (I know, Naruto isn't a love story. Just saying.) I have seen it happen. Though it is rare for it to happen.

It's something I always hated that writers do. Some do it because they want to piss off their fans. Others do it because they think it is a clever writing technique. I always hated miss leading facts in stories only to have an outcome come way from left field that makes no sense. (ie. Wonder Years, Tokyo Mew Mew etc.)

Unfortunately, we won't know until the end of the manga. Hopefully, all the development that has happened in this story isn't wasted.

Yea is true, Kishi hasn't done anything more than hurt Sakura with chapter 540, Summit arc already sunk Sakura character big time. Like you say is not clever at all, he say that he got many letter about Sakura not been an heroine like character and he will change that by making her more as an herione.
Not only he didn't keep his word so far, but what he did was hurt the girl image even more, IMHO Kishi just keeps hurting her character more any chance he get is not a wonderful thing to have a girl loving a psycho and worse if the psycho try to kill her, no matter what another person say people with always think is time to start loving themself more.

Kishi only made two things clear after 459 that Sakura was leaning on Naruto like a parasite expecting for him to resolve everything for her. Naruto tell Sasuke that the next time they face each other they will both die (and Kishi for Sasuke sake have Sakura stating that she can finaly believe that everything will go back to the way it was and team 7 can finaly smile again) So she still leaning on Naruto like a parasite.

When everyone said that Sakura was not thinking about Sasuke in a romantic way, she was thinkinkg about Sasuke the same way Naruto thinks about him, what we get? not only she still has no self repesct but Sakura want to know more about Sasuke and then we get a slap in our face that she still hoping for a romantic future with him until a perfect stranger made she re-think about her silly fantacy, Kishi did justice to Karin character right?, way is so hard to restore Sakura's image she doesn't need to run to Naruto's arms right away but she need to stop loving Sasuke.












Also there is something I always wonder, Kishi did say that he already picture the final pairing from the start he just need to find the way to go about it, what comes to mind? the splash from chapter one pag. 3 and chapter 3, but he did also say that he did plan to make a Sasuke a bad person and Sakura a detestable person from the start. so did he really plan to make NaruSaku? also there is this he say that Naruto will not have anyone close to him or someone that he really trust, so Shikamaru will become Naruto's right hand. will Sakura die? I wonder if he plans to redeem her character through sacrifice? we all remember this (And Sakura... do not risk your life for an old hag next time. Save what is important to you Chiyo's last words)

[CloudMountainJuror]

Actually he can end naruto and sakura with other people also with the development they had still intact because the development could be taken as in a friendly manner since the feelings fo sakura towards naruto are still unknown! So if he ends them with other people or even SS and NH happens i think he will keep the development by keeping them very good friends! Although I seriously hope that the development they had turns out to be romantic and NS happens in the end!

If you truly think that, then you haven't been paying as much attention.

[Fenris]

If you truly think that, then you haven't been paying as much attention.

I agree.

Naruto confessed he liked Sakura to Sai, Sai (who can't tell emotions) made it clear that even he! could tell Naruto loved Sakura.

Edited by Fenris, 13 April 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I agree.

Naruto confessed he liked Sakura to Sai, Sai (who can't tell emotions) made it clear that even he! could tell Naruto loved Sakura.

Um... In his defense, I think that he was saying that Sakura's feelings towards Naruto were undefined, not the other way around.