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[Codus N]

Heads up, guys... apparently the real Madara did expect to be resurrected by Nagato's Rinne Tensei. So, I'm thinking both Madaras are real as Tobi had wanted to use Rinne Tensei. What for, is to revive Madara.

[Soul]

Heads up, guys... apparently the real Madara did expect to be resurrected by Nagato's Rinne Tensei. So, I'm thinking both Madaras are real as Tobi had wanted to use Rinne Tensei. What for, is to revive Madara.

Yes I agree,But even Tobi was Madara too it will be disappointing ,A random person would be awesome

[Rocket]

If Tobi isn't Madara and happens to be someone we already know, then 10 bucks it's either Obito or Izuna (another 10 bucks goes to the latter).

[HenryFlitzroy]

So almost everyone thinks it's either Brodara, Obito or Madara himself.

I've been looking at some other Naruto forum discussions, and they pretty much came to the same conclusion.

I wonder what Kishi has in store for us.

[Akashi]

Is it just me, or Tobi on this pic resembles Obito pretty much? I mean, spiky hair, the shape of his eyes?.. Orange mask = orange goggles....
Oh, and about that bandage on his forehead.. Obito used to wear a head-protector there, right? So probably when he got smashed by the rock, the metal part of that protector left a wound or some kind of scar there?..

Edited by Roxy, 16 October 2011 - 12:43 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

When he was fighting Konan, here:
I don't remeber what chapter is that. (hm, or he removed it himself, I forgot)

To me that looks alot like Yamato....but thats just me. Also Konan is looking sexy....

Edited by Fyuria'sLeo, 16 October 2011 - 01:10 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

To me that looks alot like Yamato....but thats just me. Also Konan is looking sexy....

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Ask for Yamato though... that just doesn't sound right at all....

[Darth Krypt]

It would be cool if Yamato is Tobi. I mean with him being kidnapped, it would mean that it was staged so Tobi can concentrate on the war. But Tobi and Yamato were seen together so it can't be. I wouldn't want an unknown random guy to be Tobi. I want it to be someone we know and totally won't expect.

[Phantom_999]

I want it to be someone we know and totally won't expect.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Me too Nina

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 October 2011 - 03:23 PM.

[HenryFlitzroy]

Hmm, i would prefer it if he is someone we DO expect. Because we expect them for a good reason.

When the storyteller goes too much into the ''they will never see this coming'' stuff, the story often has to be twisted into weird/unlikely angles.

[CloudMountainJuror]

To me that looks alot like Yamato....but thats just me. Also Konan is looking sexy....

She's always been sexeh...

[merryGOflava]

It would be cool if Yamato is Tobi. I mean with him being kidnapped, it would mean that it was staged so Tobi can concentrate on the war. But Tobi and Yamato were seen together so it can't be. I wouldn't want an unknown random guy to be Tobi. I want it to be someone we know and totally won't expect.

but yamato looks nothing like that picture >:U

but......now that i see that other eye.......im confused....

*_* maybe....just maybe madara the original only took only 1 eye from his bro .....thats why his eye is covered in the chapter!!!

so "Tobi" took obit's body so he can make up for the lack of eye!!!! ...............hrm......

[TerrorKing]

If it turns out that the "Mask Man" IS indeed Madara, only in spirit form, then the main question for me would be how he intends to become the Jubi's host without a physical body. It could be that his ultimate plan is to somehow use Sasuke as his new "vessel", similar to what Orochimaru intended. Then again, Orochimaru's jutsu wasn't exactly perfect, as he had to switch body every three years. Also, having another "We must stop the bad guy before he overtakes Sasuke's body" scenario would just seem redundant IMO.

If it is Izuna, then it would completely change the whole motivation behind the "Eye of the Moon" plan. I mean, it could be that he is simplpy carrying out his brothers wish of bringing glory back to the Uchica clan. Either that or perhaps he is simply going for the "peace through power" doctrine that seems to lie at the very root of the Uchiha clan. It could also be that this is all just some elaborate revenge scheme against his brother for taking his eyes.

As for the Obito theory. Eh, I don't know. Why would Obito have any reason to hate Konoha or any of the villages for that matter. Again, the "Peace through power" thing is the only motive I can currently come up with, as in wanting to stop the fighting because he himself knows how cruel war can be.

WELL IT IS a manga. The romance CAN pop outta nowhere if Kishimoto wanted it to manga is not reality, just pointing that out. But YEAH most romances in manga have SOME sort of foundation

I know that manga isn't reality. Hell, it has a ninja wearing an orange jumpsuit who can also summon giant frogs. I know that most things in Naruto comes from real life ninja myths and such, but still.

So it's not really so much that I want realism per se, I just want the characters to at least act somewhat realistic, depending on the circumstances of course.

Srsly? --Click here to view--

Alrighty then Kishi, that's just fine. Do whatever it is you want.
In all seriousness, the guy in The Mask is either;
a. Obito/Madara in Obito's body/something similar
b. Madara (maybe he pulled a Voldemort and he split his soul.... ? I don't know..)
c. Izuna
d. some dude

I also see a lot of people talking about the NH/NS etc stuff... Am I the only one who has stopped caring? Obviously I want to see Naruto get the girl (Sakura) but I don't need to be fed some "NS MOMENT" once a week. I also was looking forward to seeing Sasuke in action, but the whole Madara-thing is more pressing.

Also, Gaara is an idiot;
"Look carefully... at his eyes"
That's right, Gaara, look into the eyes of the enemy Uchiha. Real kittening smart.

I think most people (myself included), see this whole " NH/SS/NS moment" thing as a kind of competition. Thus: 1 moment = 1 point for that particular pairing until eventually, the pairing with the most points (i.e. development) wins. I know it sounds kinda silly, mostly because you could argue that just because NaruHina doesn't have as many moment as NaruSaku, it does not necessarily mean that it won't become canon.

Hypothetically, it could be that in those few moments they've shared together, Naruto and Hinata became closer than he and Sakura have ever been. Of course one also has to look at the moments themselves and in that case, NaruSaku easily wins. Naruto and Sakura simply has a much deeper relationship while Naruto and Hinata barely know each other and since I like realistic relationships, my money is still on NS.

Edited by TerrorKing, 16 October 2011 - 09:54 PM.

[naruto-z]

I think most people (myself included), see this whole " NH/SS/NS moment" thing as a kind of competition. Thus: 1 moment = 1 point for that particular pairing until eventually, the pairing with the most points (i.e. development) wins. I know it sounds kinda silly, mostly because you could argue that just because NaruHina doesn't have as many moment as NaruSaku, it does not necessarily mean that it won't become canon.

Hypothetically, it could be that in those few moments they've shared together, Naruto and Hinata became closer than he and Sakura have ever been. Of course one also has to look at the moments themselves and in that case, NaruSaku easily wins. Naruto and Sakura simply has a much deeper relationship while Naruto and Hinata barely know each other and since I like realistic relationships, my money is still on NS.

The point system works really well, until everyone figures out that the final end game and official couple is worth 10 x 10^10000000000000000 points so that in the end the point system doesn't matter at all

[HikariUzumaki]

but yamato looks nothing like that picture >:U

but......now that i see that other eye.......im confused....

*_* maybe....just maybe madara the original only took only 1 eye from his bro .....thats why his eye is covered in the chapter!!!

so "Tobi" took obit's body so he can make up for the lack of eye!!!! ...............hrm......

Ok, I've been back for a few days to try to catch up about the theories around here, which are always quite interesting (I relied on this site for accurate info and spoilers, but by the way the manga was going I didn't felt like reading here anymore). But I think we all need a good re-read of some chapters.

For example, am I the only one who can't forget that frigging WALL full of sharingans? I counted (yes, I stopped and counted them) 104 sharingans, and by the look of it, they all could not fit the picture. So Tobi has more than a hundred sharingans waiting to be wasted on Izanagi, new Six Paths of Pain and whatever he wants to do with them:

http://www.mangafox....51/c482/14.html

Are we seriously thinking that Tobi can't be Obito because he has 2 eyes on that panel?

I agree with the one who stated that Tobi resembled Obito a lot on that image, too, and add the fact that Kishimoto carefully keeps his left eye in the shadows on every scene doesn't help shaking off that feeling either. But even though I've always been a Obitobi "believer" as you can see, and that's why I remember every scene that can back up my believing, I'm open to any other theory. It just bugs me if somebody doubts it by some detail that can be resolved with a previously shown information.

Even though I still think Obito has the higher possibilities at being the face behind the mask, I know there are flaws and things to be explained about it, starting with the 180º change of mind (Madara's soul and a hit on the head are my current favourite theories), and I would have prefered the Idiot!Tobi to be Obito, not the AkatsukiLeader!Tobi we currently have. So please, crush the proofs for me, I don't want this Tobi to be Obito ;___;

By the way, please merryGOflava, don't take it personal, I quoted you just because it's the last comment I read that was doubting your own believes just because you forgot something that was already answered in the manga. I hope I did not offend you, as English is not my mother language and sometimes I end up sounding rude and not able to fully explain my point.

Soooo... TL;DR I don't think we can't say Tobi is not Obito because he has two sharingans. Tobi actually has more than a hundred. We can argue about his age fitting or not during the Kyuuby attack (which, by his shoulder's length I have my mind towards a possitive answer but still there's not a single panel to compare with an actual adult so I'm believeing what I want to believe, really), or we can arge about how OOC of him would it be to be the mastermind of all this mess (and yes, I have an opinion about that too, based on how being rock-buried and almost killed on a war can make you want to stop all wars by creating an ultimate genjutsu all over the world to make it a peacefull place).

Would anybody be so kind to show me how wrong I am so I can put Obito on a peaceful rest on my mind?

[merryGOflava]

http://www.mangafox....51/c482/14.html

rrently have. So please, crush the proofs for me, I don't want this Tobi to be Obito ;___;

By the way, please merryGOflava, don't take it personal, I quoted you just because it's the last comment I read that was doubting your own believes just because you forgot something that was already answered in the manga. I hope I did not offend you, as English is not my mother language and sometimes I end up sounding rude and not able to fully explain my point.

LOL!!! what did Tobo do?? pluck all the uchihas eyes when itachi was done!? ...... actually thats not far-fetched.....

and no prob im not offended in the least :3 i like it when people respond to what i say!! makes me happy :3

[Super Boom]

I think most people (myself included), see this whole " NH/SS/NS moment" thing as a kind of competition. Thus: 1 moment = 1 point for that particular pairing until eventually, the pairing with the most points (i.e. development) wins. I know it sounds kinda silly, mostly because you could argue that just because NaruHina doesn't have as many moment as NaruSaku, it does not necessarily mean that it won't become canon.

Hypothetically, it could be that in those few moments they've shared together, Naruto and Hinata became closer than he and Sakura have ever been. Of course one also has to look at the moments themselves and in that case, NaruSaku easily wins. Naruto and Sakura simply has a much deeper relationship while Naruto and Hinata barely know each other and since I like realistic relationships, my money is still on NS.

I agree that most pairing fans see the whole thing as a competition of sorts, but I feel like a lot of fans take the shipping wars on a basis of momentum rather than points. Almost as if any moment or consecutive moment for one pairing absolutely negates all previous development for every other pairing. In a way, I can sort of empathize, because there's always that lurking thought that a lot of us have, "What if Kishi changes his mind?" I don't know how likely that is, but if someone takes the standpoint that Kishi can go in whatever direction he wants, and that he has no obligation to what he's previously written, then it's understandable that that person would freak out/celebrate at every individual pairing moment/hint. I don't think that's the case, but I suppose it's a possibility. For me, though, considering the fact that Kishi's made fairly blatant hints in the past few years toward Naru/Saku with the post-Hinata-confession hug, and the Mina/Kushi pairing, I don't believe he's changed his mind.

As for the current, "Who is Tobi???" conversation that I'm sort of interrupting, I guess I can't really think of any other potential candidates that wouldn't make it seem like an awkward twist. I think it makes the most sense to be Madara, since there's a few age issues with Obito. It could be Izuna too, but considering we've only seen him once in a flashback, I feel like everyone other than hardcore fans will react the same way Lex Luthor did after unmasking the Flash if that was the case.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 17 October 2011 - 01:21 AM.

[naruto-z]

Would anybody be so kind to show me how wrong I am so I can put Obito on a peaceful rest on my mind?

Currently, the biggest possible answer to this is the fact that during the Minato/Tobi/Madara flashback the masked assailant was already quite old in age from appearance and that does not at all match up to Kakashi's age during that arc. Of course there are possible explanations to this theory as well. One being that that was indeed Madara and not Tobi, or that Obito had some crazy growth spurt from some radical experiment by Madara/Orochimaru. But as of now, this theory of mine is my only explanation for why it's not Obito. But to contradict my statement above, I doubt it was Madara who invaded Konoha with the Kyuubi since the masked man used jutsus that were very similar to Tobi's teleportation jutsu. But then again, that doesn't explain why the Kyuubi at the beginning of part 2 mentioned the eyes of Madara during the Sasuke Retrieval arc part 2. To be honest, there's a lot of possibilities right now and anything is virtually possible

[FoolishYoungling]

good prediction link:

http://naruto-spoile...ne-page-01.html

[Soul]

good prediction link:

http://naruto-spoile...ne-page-01.html

Wow is this is true then... I cant wait until next week ! , Anyway thanks for linking it