You know what is also really boring? Seeing the enemy fight the good guys time after time and WINNING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE BY SHEER FORCE BECAUSE THEY SOME HOW PULL A MAGIC END ALL AND BE ALL JUTSU and this would just be the low-end baddies. Not even including the high end ones. Frankly, it sounds like you are just kittening, now. "I don't like it when the good guys win" kind of attitude really grains on me and it's tiring. I mean come on, why you even reading the manga anymore? Seems like every week you aren't satisfied with the chapter anyway no matter what happens. No matter who fights or who wins, you aren't satisfied.
What exactly do you want Naruto to do? What exactly do you wish Naruto to be doing? Taking on every single one of the 100,000 Zetsu clones and killing one every 50 chapters?
You want to put realistic ideas in a FICTIONAL WORLD? Are you kidding me? This is a story about good and evil. If this was based on real life, Naruto would have died ten times over because no way would the bad guys decide to take tactical retreats like that. Also, if he did some how win, he would be shunned even more because "real good guys don't fight" kind of attitude that people tend to have now-a-days. Then they will call Naruto a baby-killer and other such things all because he wanted to fight for the very freedom they had. It happens every time. That's a real life aspect. Not only that, but all the nations would not join up like that in real life. Some would play neutral...or join Madara if their views were the same.
Tell you what, let's look at this from your "realism" that you wish to perceive. Madara comes over to Naruto, taps him on the forehead and he gets knocked out. Can't have Naruto be powerful. Oh no. We have to keep it "realistic." Naruto dies, almost everyone dies in the war and the few survivors are turned into slaves or worse.
How many chapters did Naruto stay out of the picture while everyone else fought and either died or got their butts handed to them? How many chapters did some of you complain that Naruto was NOT getting enough screen time and needed to be in the battle? Now, that OUR HERO is back in battle and finally putting a pressure point on the bad guys, you are complaining he is too bad-ass? We haven't even got to the Sasuke fights or Madara fights. Naruto hasn't even fought the real enemy yet. Is that what you want, just have Naruto fight Sasuke and Madara right now? Forget the Zetsus, go straight into the final battle. Forget character development too.
Again, he takes out the Zetsus clones pretty quickly, because they are the pawns and CANNON FODDER. (Look this up.) When he fights the ET summons, it takes anywhere from 2-5 chapters to take them out because while they are not all powerful, they are not easy either.
If he fights Sasuke and Madara you know it will be a long battle because these guys will fight to the very end. It would not be so easy as the rest. What then, you going to complain the battles are too long?
I am sorry, but what you are asking for is impossible. Why? Because it seems like every time a new chapter comes out, you want something different than what is given. If Naruto is not there, you want him there. If he is kicking ass, you say he is too powerful. If he is getting his ass kicked, he is the hero he is supposed to win. The casualties in the war equaled the same on both sides in the war. Both lost forces. Yeah, NONE of the main characters really died, but most people would be pretty PO'd if they were to just die suddenly. And it was shown that some of the forces did die, so the Alliance is NOT invincible. Even Naruto can't take on the entire enemy forces by himself, but you're acting like Naruto single-handedly is winning the war when he is doing no such thing. He is merely wiping out the small fries and helping out where he can.
So far, No one is winning the war. Naruto is only now evening the odds and putting up a fighting chance.
You say you want the good guys to lose? Listen to this, cause this is typical of stories. The war starts, the good guys are losing greatly with minor victories in battle. The bad guys have the upper hand. The HERO comes and starts evening the score and takes out most of the attack forces that have put a great hurting on the good guy side. The bad guys still have forces that makes the first wave of attackers seems like a distraction.
A lot of comic book writers do this show the eb-and-flow of war. Realism is, if one side has an advantage they take said advantage and gain a lead. The other side uses a trump card and pushes the forces back and retaliates and it goes back and forth until one of them falls completely. NOW, we see that next week the bad guys are going to use their trump cards to push harder.
You can agree or disagree with me all you want, but in truth it's getting annoying hearing you now. I know you have a right to your opinion and I respect that, but it seems like you are never happy. I don't know what exactly you want to come out of this, but expect the good guys to win in the end. I know you hate this concept of the "good guys winning," but that's going to happen.
First off, HOLY CRAP

I didn't expect such a huge response, but I'm glad you provided one. We can now get to the main points much faster.
Now on to replying (which I will do so by numbering):
1. You obviously haven't seen all of my thoughts on certain chapters, then. I loved the Gaara one just last week because it was an actual good fight and had tension in it. If I come across as kittening, then so be it.
2. I suppose I should have made this much clearer beforehand: my main problem isn't with the Zetsu clones. It's with Naruto pwning every single Edo Tensei he's faced so far with relatively little difficulty. This chapter just radiated the vibe of "more of Naruto owning legendary Edo Tensei ninja to come" to me, and I'm not the only one.
3. Oh boy, the "being realistic in a fictional world" argument. I'll sum it up like this: some things are universal. When I talk about "realistic", I don't mean "OMG NINJAS AREN'T EVERYWHERE ON EARTH! THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS JUTSUS! THEY DON'T HAVE CELL PHONES!" and etc. I mean more along the lines of thought processes and some other things. For example, many of these Edo Tenseis resurrected are, as formerly specified, legendary ninja, yet they're being taken down with such unbelievable ease. If they're so easy to defeat, why would they be given the titles "legendary" and etc.? That's the kind of realism I'm referring to. In a sense, it's more common sense.
4. I don't know about others, but Naruto being in the picture was not a major concern for me. Did I want him back somewhat? Yes. I had no idea he'd be as powerful (I'll say that instead of the other word that aggravates you so much) as he is right now, though. Right now, it's just outrageous.
5. I don't mind waiting for him to get to Sasuke or Madara, but excuse me for not really taking the "real enemy" line seriously. Legendary ninja aren't real enough for ya?
Also, I was fine with Naruto in the kyuubi cloak at first. It was cool to see all of those new abilities...for the first chapter or two. By now, it's just getting really repetitive. By the way, when did it take him 5 chapters to beat one Edo Tensei? I don't remember such a thing.
6. No, I won't complain that the battles are too long when he fights them, because they're expected to be long battles...but so are these fights. These fights against the Edo Tenseis are also expected to be long because...well... do I have to say it again? They're legendary ninja that are now immortal until sealed up.
7.

I sure as hell wouldn't complain if Naruto was "getting his ass beat" (a.k.a. having a hard time) just because he's the hero. Who says heroes HAVE to win? I never believed such a thing.
8. Who said that the Alliance was invincible? I know some are dying. Main characters aren't...and you're claiming that they shouldn't die just because people would get pissed off? I'm pretty sure it'd make up for them being pissed by not being so biased towards the main characters.
9. I want the good guys to lose...?... where exactly did that come from? I want them to win, naturally. I care about Naruto and the other characters, so I do want them to succeed. However, it's just seeming too easy so far.
10. I'm reading the manga because the good parts of it highly outweigh the bad in my opinion. When I enjoy it, most of the time, I tend to
really enjoy it. I really like the characters and how they've grown over time, I love the universe that Kishi has made, and I want to know how the story turns out. Simple as that. That being said, it of course is not a perfect manga/anime (it clearly isn't on the anime part). Is it good? Yes. Is it the best manga/anime I've seen? No, but I enjoy it enough to want to see what happens next and to keep reading. There are low points in the story, needless to say. For all I know, Kishi might take what he's given us and turn it into something greater than I could possibly imagine. I don't doubt it. When I post my thoughts though, they are on how the chapter connects to the story thus far. Kishi could turn his all around and pull a mind-blowing story and ending out of this, but I just can't judge what hasn't happened yet.
If you really think that I don't enjoy any of the chapters, then you are wrong. Again, I really liked the last Gaara chapter. The chapters with Darui vs. Ginkaku and Kinkaku blew me away also (even though it was in few chapters, it had a very unique style to how it was fought).
It's kind of disappointing that I apparently irritate you so much; I remember enjoying our past conversations a lot and was actually thinking of saying hey some time soon. It seems like that's no longer an option though, because my "disliking every chapter" behaviour annoys you to no end. I had no idea that such contempt for me was building up over time.
And I will say it again:
I do not hate the concept of good guys winning. I personally just don't like how that concept has been handled in many of the recent chapters is all. If you truly don't think that I enjoy any chapters, then I will be glad to personally let you know when a new chapter that I enjoy comes out.
Zacra is just the cynical type James just let him be

good points though *high fives*
I guess I am the cynical type, but don't be under the illusion that I don't enjoy any of the Naruto series.
And yeah, hell, he deserves that high five for making such a thorough reply

I was shocked.
Edited by zacrathedemon5, 06 October 2011 - 11:19 PM.