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#241 Anguyen92

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Oct 6 2011, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I hope your Madara doesn't crash your wedding XD Anyways, I could see tsunade dying. Sakura needs that boost and to finally surpass her master.


Well, if Tsuande dies, at least she can finally be with that perverted crazy dude who we all didn't want to die but had to anyway to give Naruto the boost to surpass him. I know the reasons around Jiraya dying, but why did they have to do it?? arg.gif

QUOTE (Roy menethil @ Oct 6 2011, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe she will die fighting Dan headscratch.gif ? anyway I dont want tsunade to die because i want to see her being proud of naruto becoming hokage argh1.png


That's another good point, and she could somewhat play therapy to Naruto and Sakura.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Oct 6 2011, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura weak? Doubt it. We know what she can do and she probably could have taken both of those Zetsus with one blow, but then again Naruto always loves dynamic entries. That's his thing. Again playing with the Superman motif. She didn't need saving, but take what opportunities you can get. Besides, small fries like them doesn't deserve Sakura's attention. She is much too important than that. let Naruto take them out with little problem and leave the more important fights for her. Not that Naruto can;t have important fights, but do you really want 5+ chapters of Sakura or Naruto taking out cannon fodder like the Zetsus? Of course not.

Thank you very much. You made me feel so much better about this chapter. I'll believe your words and have faith in Sakura and her upcoming big fight.

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Oct 6 2011, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto may have had to work to get it, but he's still overpowered. He just isn't naturally overpowered, like Sasuke. And frankly, it isn't "for once". He's been doing this for the past how many chapters? By now it's just getting old and incredibly, incredibly boring.
It's all well and good that you don't want the good guys to lose too many people, but let's look at it realistically: people die in war. Especially when it's a world-wide war against a ton of immortal legendary ninja, Kabuto, and Madara-freaking-Uchiha. They'd better lose soon for once (and yes, this is a case for using "for once" considering that the alliance has been pwning everyone so far) soon because if not, Kishi wold just be imagining too goody-goody of an ending... Not to mention it will remain utterly boring.

I agree to this 100%. The way Kishi is handling the war is way too unrealistic. Even before Naruto appeared, the casualties were half on both sides and the protagonist side was never really losing in the first place. There were wins and losses. It only looked like the situation was getting worse because Kishi showed Naruto appearing at one of the time the disadvantage was on the alliance side.

Naruto superman syndrome has been going on for more than five chapters. I cannot take it anymore argh1.png

On another note, Gaara vs. Mizukage was awesome last chapter. We need more of these.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Oct 6 2011, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto may have had to work to get it, but he's still overpowered. He just isn't naturally overpowered, like Sasuke. And frankly, it isn't "for once". He's been doing this for the past how many chapters? By now it's just getting old and incredibly, incredibly boring.
It's all well and good that you don't want the good guys to lose too many people, but let's look at it realistically: people die in war. Especially when it's a world-wide war against a ton of immortal legendary ninja, Kabuto, and Madara-freaking-Uchiha. They'd better lose soon for once (and yes, this is a case for using "for once" considering that the alliance has been pwning everyone so far) soon because if not, Kishi wold just be imagining too goody-goody of an ending... Not to mention it will remain utterly boring.


You know what is also really boring? Seeing the enemy fight the good guys time after time and WINNING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE BY SHEER FORCE BECAUSE THEY SOME HOW PULL A MAGIC END ALL AND BE ALL JUTSU and this would just be the low-end baddies. Not even including the high end ones. Frankly, it sounds like you are just kittening, now. "I don't like it when the good guys win" kind of attitude really grains on me and it's tiring. I mean come on, why you even reading the manga anymore? Seems like every week you aren't satisfied with the chapter anyway no matter what happens. No matter who fights or who wins, you aren't satisfied.

What exactly do you want Naruto to do? What exactly do you wish Naruto to be doing? Taking on every single one of the 100,000 Zetsu clones and killing one every 50 chapters?

You want to put realistic ideas in a FICTIONAL WORLD? Are you kidding me? This is a story about good and evil. If this was based on real life, Naruto would have died ten times over because no way would the bad guys decide to take tactical retreats like that. Also, if he did some how win, he would be shunned even more because "real good guys don't fight" kind of attitude that people tend to have now-a-days. Then they will call Naruto a baby-killer and other such things all because he wanted to fight for the very freedom they had. It happens every time. That's a real life aspect. Not only that, but all the nations would not join up like that in real life. Some would play neutral...or join Madara if their views were the same.

Tell you what, let's look at this from your "realism" that you wish to perceive. Madara comes over to Naruto, taps him on the forehead and he gets knocked out. Can't have Naruto be powerful. Oh no. We have to keep it "realistic." Naruto dies, almost everyone dies in the war and the few survivors are turned into slaves or worse.

How many chapters did Naruto stay out of the picture while everyone else fought and either died or got their butts handed to them? How many chapters did some of you complain that Naruto was NOT getting enough screen time and needed to be in the battle? Now, that OUR HERO is back in battle and finally putting a pressure point on the bad guys, you are complaining he is too bad-ass? We haven't even got to the Sasuke fights or Madara fights. Naruto hasn't even fought the real enemy yet. Is that what you want, just have Naruto fight Sasuke and Madara right now? Forget the Zetsus, go straight into the final battle. Forget character development too.

Again, he takes out the Zetsus clones pretty quickly, because they are the pawns and CANNON FODDER. (Look this up.) When he fights the ET summons, it takes anywhere from 2-5 chapters to take them out because while they are not all powerful, they are not easy either.

If he fights Sasuke and Madara you know it will be a long battle because these guys will fight to the very end. It would not be so easy as the rest. What then, you going to complain the battles are too long?

I am sorry, but what you are asking for is impossible. Why? Because it seems like every time a new chapter comes out, you want something different than what is given. If Naruto is not there, you want him there. If he is kicking ass, you say he is too powerful. If he is getting his ass kicked, he is the hero he is supposed to win. The casualties in the war equaled the same on both sides in the war. Both lost forces. Yeah, NONE of the main characters really died, but most people would be pretty PO'd if they were to just die suddenly. And it was shown that some of the forces did die, so the Alliance is NOT invincible. Even Naruto can't take on the entire enemy forces by himself, but you're acting like Naruto single-handedly is winning the war when he is doing no such thing. He is merely wiping out the small fries and helping out where he can.

So far, No one is winning the war. Naruto is only now evening the odds and putting up a fighting chance.

You say you want the good guys to lose? Listen to this, cause this is typical of stories. The war starts, the good guys are losing greatly with minor victories in battle. The bad guys have the upper hand. The HERO comes and starts evening the score and takes out most of the attack forces that have put a great hurting on the good guy side. The bad guys still have forces that makes the first wave of attackers seems like a distraction.

A lot of comic book writers do this show the eb-and-flow of war. Realism is, if one side has an advantage they take said advantage and gain a lead. The other side uses a trump card and pushes the forces back and retaliates and it goes back and forth until one of them falls completely. NOW, we see that next week the bad guys are going to use their trump cards to push harder.

You can agree or disagree with me all you want, but in truth it's getting annoying hearing you now. I know you have a right to your opinion and I respect that, but it seems like you are never happy. I don't know what exactly you want to come out of this, but expect the good guys to win in the end. I know you hate this concept of the "good guys winning," but that's going to happen.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 05:04 PM

I think the Zetsu clones are more than just cannon fodder they're just weak that's it. Remember Madara said that Zetsu didn't stood a chance against Naruto because he's not the fighting type. What makes Zetsu very useful and important to Madara it's his ability to absorb chakra and give it to anyone like a chakra battery (like he did in the five kage summit arc) and of course his ability to tranform himself into a perfect copy of any person he touches. The problem the shinobi allied forces are having against the Zetsu clones is that they don't know which is who, who are the real allies and who are the fakes. If it wasn't for that then they could have defeated the entire army themselves not needing Naruto to interfere at all.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Oct 6 2011, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Zetsu clones are more than just cannon fodder they're just weak that's it. Remember Madara said that Zetsu didn't stood a chance against Naruto because he's not the fighting type. What makes Zetsu very useful and important to Madara it's his ability to absorb chakra and give it to anyone like a chakra battery (like he did in the five kage summit arc) and of course his ability to tranform himself into a perfect copy of any person he touches. The problem the shinobi allied forces are having against the Zetsu clones is that they don't know which is who, who are the real allies and who are the fakes. If it wasn't for that then they could have defeated the entire army themselves not needing Naruto to interfere at all.

This I completely agree with.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 07:09 PM

Question!!!!

Okay so why is Zestu helping Madara? He has no background and he is gaining nothing but death. So yeah, just answer please. happy.gif

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question!!!!

Okay so why is Zestu helping Madara? He has no background and he is gaining nothing but death. So yeah, just answer please. happy.gif

The Black Zetsu who controls the white Zetsu is Madara's acomplice in this war.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question!!!!

Okay so why is Zestu helping Madara? He has no background and he is gaining nothing but death. So yeah, just answer please. happy.gif



Because he's a walking sentient plant grown by Madara through the Shodai Hokage's cells?

And thank you, James for talking about the hero arrives moment. Combining his points to Graven's comment about the Zetsu clones. The main reason the Alliance is losing is because of the sheer number of the Zetsu clones. I think it was said that Madara had about 100,000 Zetsus combat ready while the Alliance is around the 50-80,000 range, can't remember (or I'm just making up these numbers because I'm confusing the Minas Tirith battle with this one), and their ability to essentially become someone. Other than that, they're about as weak as...well, how weak walking, talking plants would be up against supernatural ninja magic. Heck, Sakura could probably take out dozens with her super strength alone. However, they swarm over the exhausted soldiers and take 'em out because they're too tired to fight back or because they thought the ninja next to them was an ally when it was a Zetsu. Naruto's incredible power whilst in Kyuubi Chakra Mode plus his stamina and being fully rested, means he'll essentially one shot every Zetsu he come across.

He's the player character in Dynasty Warriors while the ordinary mooks you throw around are the Zetsu clones in Easy difficulty, that's the best analogy I can come up.

Also, the losses between the Zetsu clones and the Shinobi Alliance really shouldn't be used. Madara can simply churn out more, the Alliance can't.

Naruto is overpowered, yes, but only compared to the Zetsu clones. If he comes against the Zombie Legion of Doom, he'll need the help of the other shinobi around him to defeat it. Hell, it wasn't even sheer power that he used to defeat the Raikage, it was simple cleverness and trickery.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Fyuria'sLeo @ Oct 6 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Black Zetsu who controls the white Zetsu is Madara's acomplice in this war.

What will Zestu gain though? I mean, if Madara wins then Zetsu will be under Madara's control

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What will Zestu gain though? I mean, if Madara wins then Zetsu will be under Madara's control



Like I said, he's a sentient, walking plant grown by Madara using the Shodai Hokage's cells.

Actually, somewhat wrong. The White part is. The black part is...unknown. But he may be of similar origin.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Oct 6 2011, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's the player character in Dynasty Warriors while the ordinary mooks you throw around are the Zetsu clones in Easy difficulty, that's the best analogy I can come up.


You know what's ironic about that statement. The recent PSP game for the Naruto series is Ultimate Ninja Impact. The game is heavily inspired from the Dynasty Warriors gameplay.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Oct 6 2011, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what is also really boring? Seeing the enemy fight the good guys time after time and WINNING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE BY SHEER FORCE BECAUSE THEY SOME HOW PULL A MAGIC END ALL AND BE ALL JUTSU and this would just be the low-end baddies. Not even including the high end ones. Frankly, it sounds like you are just kittening, now. "I don't like it when the good guys win" kind of attitude really grains on me and it's tiring. I mean come on, why you even reading the manga anymore? Seems like every week you aren't satisfied with the chapter anyway no matter what happens. No matter who fights or who wins, you aren't satisfied.

What exactly do you want Naruto to do? What exactly do you wish Naruto to be doing? Taking on every single one of the 100,000 Zetsu clones and killing one every 50 chapters?

You want to put realistic ideas in a FICTIONAL WORLD? Are you kidding me? This is a story about good and evil. If this was based on real life, Naruto would have died ten times over because no way would the bad guys decide to take tactical retreats like that. Also, if he did some how win, he would be shunned even more because "real good guys don't fight" kind of attitude that people tend to have now-a-days. Then they will call Naruto a baby-killer and other such things all because he wanted to fight for the very freedom they had. It happens every time. That's a real life aspect. Not only that, but all the nations would not join up like that in real life. Some would play neutral...or join Madara if their views were the same.

Tell you what, let's look at this from your "realism" that you wish to perceive. Madara comes over to Naruto, taps him on the forehead and he gets knocked out. Can't have Naruto be powerful. Oh no. We have to keep it "realistic." Naruto dies, almost everyone dies in the war and the few survivors are turned into slaves or worse.

How many chapters did Naruto stay out of the picture while everyone else fought and either died or got their butts handed to them? How many chapters did some of you complain that Naruto was NOT getting enough screen time and needed to be in the battle? Now, that OUR HERO is back in battle and finally putting a pressure point on the bad guys, you are complaining he is too bad-ass? We haven't even got to the Sasuke fights or Madara fights. Naruto hasn't even fought the real enemy yet. Is that what you want, just have Naruto fight Sasuke and Madara right now? Forget the Zetsus, go straight into the final battle. Forget character development too.

Again, he takes out the Zetsus clones pretty quickly, because they are the pawns and CANNON FODDER. (Look this up.) When he fights the ET summons, it takes anywhere from 2-5 chapters to take them out because while they are not all powerful, they are not easy either.

If he fights Sasuke and Madara you know it will be a long battle because these guys will fight to the very end. It would not be so easy as the rest. What then, you going to complain the battles are too long?

I am sorry, but what you are asking for is impossible. Why? Because it seems like every time a new chapter comes out, you want something different than what is given. If Naruto is not there, you want him there. If he is kicking ass, you say he is too powerful. If he is getting his ass kicked, he is the hero he is supposed to win. The casualties in the war equaled the same on both sides in the war. Both lost forces. Yeah, NONE of the main characters really died, but most people would be pretty PO'd if they were to just die suddenly. And it was shown that some of the forces did die, so the Alliance is NOT invincible. Even Naruto can't take on the entire enemy forces by himself, but you're acting like Naruto single-handedly is winning the war when he is doing no such thing. He is merely wiping out the small fries and helping out where he can.

So far, No one is winning the war. Naruto is only now evening the odds and putting up a fighting chance.

You say you want the good guys to lose? Listen to this, cause this is typical of stories. The war starts, the good guys are losing greatly with minor victories in battle. The bad guys have the upper hand. The HERO comes and starts evening the score and takes out most of the attack forces that have put a great hurting on the good guy side. The bad guys still have forces that makes the first wave of attackers seems like a distraction.

A lot of comic book writers do this show the eb-and-flow of war. Realism is, if one side has an advantage they take said advantage and gain a lead. The other side uses a trump card and pushes the forces back and retaliates and it goes back and forth until one of them falls completely. NOW, we see that next week the bad guys are going to use their trump cards to push harder.

You can agree or disagree with me all you want, but in truth it's getting annoying hearing you now. I know you have a right to your opinion and I respect that, but it seems like you are never happy. I don't know what exactly you want to come out of this, but expect the good guys to win in the end. I know you hate this concept of the "good guys winning," but that's going to happen.


Zacra is just the cynical type James just let him be rolleyes.gif good points though *high fives*

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question!!!!

Okay so why is Zestu helping Madara? He has no background and he is gaining nothing but death. So yeah, just answer please. happy.gif


That I don't know I think Kishi said in a interview a few years back that he was planning in focusing on Zetsu, he hasn't done that not at least in showing his abilities that is.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Oct 6 2011, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what is also really boring? Seeing the enemy fight the good guys time after time and WINNING EVERY SINGLE BATTLE BY SHEER FORCE BECAUSE THEY SOME HOW PULL A MAGIC END ALL AND BE ALL JUTSU and this would just be the low-end baddies. Not even including the high end ones. Frankly, it sounds like you are just kittening, now. "I don't like it when the good guys win" kind of attitude really grains on me and it's tiring. I mean come on, why you even reading the manga anymore? Seems like every week you aren't satisfied with the chapter anyway no matter what happens. No matter who fights or who wins, you aren't satisfied.

What exactly do you want Naruto to do? What exactly do you wish Naruto to be doing? Taking on every single one of the 100,000 Zetsu clones and killing one every 50 chapters?

You want to put realistic ideas in a FICTIONAL WORLD? Are you kidding me? This is a story about good and evil. If this was based on real life, Naruto would have died ten times over because no way would the bad guys decide to take tactical retreats like that. Also, if he did some how win, he would be shunned even more because "real good guys don't fight" kind of attitude that people tend to have now-a-days. Then they will call Naruto a baby-killer and other such things all because he wanted to fight for the very freedom they had. It happens every time. That's a real life aspect. Not only that, but all the nations would not join up like that in real life. Some would play neutral...or join Madara if their views were the same.

Tell you what, let's look at this from your "realism" that you wish to perceive. Madara comes over to Naruto, taps him on the forehead and he gets knocked out. Can't have Naruto be powerful. Oh no. We have to keep it "realistic." Naruto dies, almost everyone dies in the war and the few survivors are turned into slaves or worse.

How many chapters did Naruto stay out of the picture while everyone else fought and either died or got their butts handed to them? How many chapters did some of you complain that Naruto was NOT getting enough screen time and needed to be in the battle? Now, that OUR HERO is back in battle and finally putting a pressure point on the bad guys, you are complaining he is too bad-ass? We haven't even got to the Sasuke fights or Madara fights. Naruto hasn't even fought the real enemy yet. Is that what you want, just have Naruto fight Sasuke and Madara right now? Forget the Zetsus, go straight into the final battle. Forget character development too.

Again, he takes out the Zetsus clones pretty quickly, because they are the pawns and CANNON FODDER. (Look this up.) When he fights the ET summons, it takes anywhere from 2-5 chapters to take them out because while they are not all powerful, they are not easy either.

If he fights Sasuke and Madara you know it will be a long battle because these guys will fight to the very end. It would not be so easy as the rest. What then, you going to complain the battles are too long?

I am sorry, but what you are asking for is impossible. Why? Because it seems like every time a new chapter comes out, you want something different than what is given. If Naruto is not there, you want him there. If he is kicking ass, you say he is too powerful. If he is getting his ass kicked, he is the hero he is supposed to win. The casualties in the war equaled the same on both sides in the war. Both lost forces. Yeah, NONE of the main characters really died, but most people would be pretty PO'd if they were to just die suddenly. And it was shown that some of the forces did die, so the Alliance is NOT invincible. Even Naruto can't take on the entire enemy forces by himself, but you're acting like Naruto single-handedly is winning the war when he is doing no such thing. He is merely wiping out the small fries and helping out where he can.

So far, No one is winning the war. Naruto is only now evening the odds and putting up a fighting chance.

You say you want the good guys to lose? Listen to this, cause this is typical of stories. The war starts, the good guys are losing greatly with minor victories in battle. The bad guys have the upper hand. The HERO comes and starts evening the score and takes out most of the attack forces that have put a great hurting on the good guy side. The bad guys still have forces that makes the first wave of attackers seems like a distraction.

A lot of comic book writers do this show the eb-and-flow of war. Realism is, if one side has an advantage they take said advantage and gain a lead. The other side uses a trump card and pushes the forces back and retaliates and it goes back and forth until one of them falls completely. NOW, we see that next week the bad guys are going to use their trump cards to push harder.

You can agree or disagree with me all you want, but in truth it's getting annoying hearing you now. I know you have a right to your opinion and I respect that, but it seems like you are never happy. I don't know what exactly you want to come out of this, but expect the good guys to win in the end. I know you hate this concept of the "good guys winning," but that's going to happen.

First off, HOLY CRAP laugh.gif I didn't expect such a huge response, but I'm glad you provided one. We can now get to the main points much faster.
Now on to replying (which I will do so by numbering):

1. You obviously haven't seen all of my thoughts on certain chapters, then. I loved the Gaara one just last week because it was an actual good fight and had tension in it. If I come across as kittening, then so be it.

2. I suppose I should have made this much clearer beforehand: my main problem isn't with the Zetsu clones. It's with Naruto pwning every single Edo Tensei he's faced so far with relatively little difficulty. This chapter just radiated the vibe of "more of Naruto owning legendary Edo Tensei ninja to come" to me, and I'm not the only one.

3. Oh boy, the "being realistic in a fictional world" argument. I'll sum it up like this: some things are universal. When I talk about "realistic", I don't mean "OMG NINJAS AREN'T EVERYWHERE ON EARTH! THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS JUTSUS! THEY DON'T HAVE CELL PHONES!" and etc. I mean more along the lines of thought processes and some other things. For example, many of these Edo Tenseis resurrected are, as formerly specified, legendary ninja, yet they're being taken down with such unbelievable ease. If they're so easy to defeat, why would they be given the titles "legendary" and etc.? That's the kind of realism I'm referring to. In a sense, it's more common sense.

4. I don't know about others, but Naruto being in the picture was not a major concern for me. Did I want him back somewhat? Yes. I had no idea he'd be as powerful (I'll say that instead of the other word that aggravates you so much) as he is right now, though. Right now, it's just outrageous.

5. I don't mind waiting for him to get to Sasuke or Madara, but excuse me for not really taking the "real enemy" line seriously. Legendary ninja aren't real enough for ya?
Also, I was fine with Naruto in the kyuubi cloak at first. It was cool to see all of those new abilities...for the first chapter or two. By now, it's just getting really repetitive. By the way, when did it take him 5 chapters to beat one Edo Tensei? I don't remember such a thing.

6. No, I won't complain that the battles are too long when he fights them, because they're expected to be long battles...but so are these fights. These fights against the Edo Tenseis are also expected to be long because...well... do I have to say it again? They're legendary ninja that are now immortal until sealed up.

7. laugh.gif I sure as hell wouldn't complain if Naruto was "getting his ass beat" (a.k.a. having a hard time) just because he's the hero. Who says heroes HAVE to win? I never believed such a thing.

8. Who said that the Alliance was invincible? I know some are dying. Main characters aren't...and you're claiming that they shouldn't die just because people would get pissed off? I'm pretty sure it'd make up for them being pissed by not being so biased towards the main characters.

9. I want the good guys to lose...?... where exactly did that come from? I want them to win, naturally. I care about Naruto and the other characters, so I do want them to succeed. However, it's just seeming too easy so far.

10. I'm reading the manga because the good parts of it highly outweigh the bad in my opinion. When I enjoy it, most of the time, I tend to really enjoy it. I really like the characters and how they've grown over time, I love the universe that Kishi has made, and I want to know how the story turns out. Simple as that. That being said, it of course is not a perfect manga/anime (it clearly isn't on the anime part). Is it good? Yes. Is it the best manga/anime I've seen? No, but I enjoy it enough to want to see what happens next and to keep reading. There are low points in the story, needless to say. For all I know, Kishi might take what he's given us and turn it into something greater than I could possibly imagine. I don't doubt it. When I post my thoughts though, they are on how the chapter connects to the story thus far. Kishi could turn his all around and pull a mind-blowing story and ending out of this, but I just can't judge what hasn't happened yet.

If you really think that I don't enjoy any of the chapters, then you are wrong. Again, I really liked the last Gaara chapter. The chapters with Darui vs. Ginkaku and Kinkaku blew me away also (even though it was in few chapters, it had a very unique style to how it was fought).

It's kind of disappointing that I apparently irritate you so much; I remember enjoying our past conversations a lot and was actually thinking of saying hey some time soon. It seems like that's no longer an option though, because my "disliking every chapter" behaviour annoys you to no end. I had no idea that such contempt for me was building up over time.

And I will say it again: I do not hate the concept of good guys winning. I personally just don't like how that concept has been handled in many of the recent chapters is all. If you truly don't think that I enjoy any chapters, then I will be glad to personally let you know when a new chapter that I enjoy comes out.

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Oct 6 2011, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zacra is just the cynical type James just let him be rolleyes.gif good points though *high fives*

I guess I am the cynical type, but don't be under the illusion that I don't enjoy any of the Naruto series.

And yeah, hell, he deserves that high five for making such a thorough reply laugh.gif I was shocked.

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#255 Anguyen92

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:02 AM

^^ Well then, that's a lot to take in from Zac's and James's posts, but one person has their opinion and the other has theirs so let's just calm down and as always, see how the scenario plays out in the next chapter.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:02 AM

Zac my friend you have blown our minds with that reply now I must say Epic post.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 7 2011, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^ Well then, that's a lot to take in from Zac's and James's posts, but one person has their opinion and the other has theirs so let's just calm down and as always, see how the scenario plays out in the next chapter.

Why must you always be so calm? Let go and fly? happy.gif

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why must you always be so calm? Let go and fly? happy.gif


I don't know really. Maybe that's because that I reacted in scenarios, somewhat like these, back in high school, in a horrible and hot-tempered manner and reacted accordingly and realized that yep, we should have a cool head in dealing with the scenarios. So I decided to somewhat react to scenarios in a calm-manner most of the time. Oh, don't get me wrong, I will get very testy and prickly sometimes, but I don't do that to the good people here and if I did, I would apologize for being a douche, let bygones by bygones, and everything would be all right.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 7 2011, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know really. Maybe that's because that I reacted in scenarios, somewhat like these, back in high school, in a horrible and hot-tempered manner and reacted accordingly and realized that yep, we should have a cool head in dealing with the scenarios. So I decided to somewhat react to scenarios in a calm-manner most of the time. Oh, don't get me wrong, I will get very testy and prickly sometimes, but I don't do that to the good people here and if I did, I would apologize for being a douche, let bygones by bygones, and everything would be all right.

Well then you may be like the growing form of Sakura, which hopefully doesn't disgust you! laugh.gif

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:40 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 6 2011, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well then you may be like the growing form of Sakura, which hopefully doesn't disgust you! laugh.gif


Oh thank you, I appreciate the notion of that thought, but really, I've adapted that mentally from my best female friend from high school, who also reads Naruto, who ironically was neutral towards me, then liked me, then hated me, and then we manage to end the high school era as good friends. She seems to be more like Sakura than me then.

But, enough of that, so anything else that hasn't been talked about yet in this chapter that could be talked about?

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