Hoooo....... got a lot of replies to a lot of you guys.
well...
*sigh*
first we have sakura thinking of sasuke right after she admits that she likes someone else. yeah, the "great? not so much" theory could be true, but then again it still goes back to confirm her... "love" for sasuke.
while sakura may not have improved in the mental or physcological department, seeing as how it's very likely that she's still in love with the same dude who abandoned her, plans on killing her best friend and teammate, and tried to kill her, she at least has a little badass moment after hundreds of chapters of... not-so-badass moments, let's say.
i don't like kishi right now, lol.
Exactly. This actually regresses Sakura's character. I don't understand it. Kishi said that Sakura was honest in her confession, and yet here he suddenly does a 180. This is extremely hypocritical of Kishi. It makes him look like an extremely bad writer. Hell, it makes him on the same level as those cheap romance novelists in the west. (Twilight, anyone?)
So surprised LoverNin didn't get whacked.
But I like that she's hollering out orders at others for a change. Nice change from her being heroic only to have to listen to orders from Kakashi or Yamato. I don't care if it's reasonable in all those other situations, I like for her to be a badass without having it undermined.
AND LASTLY for all you fanfic lovers…. WHERE IS THE LOVE LETTER? Did Sakura pocket it or did it get lost in the melee? Hmmmm. If it is lost, well then what if someone discovers it? What sorts of troubles would that lead to for Naruto and Sakura? Hmmmmm….. LoverNin's cupid kunai could strike anytime!
Yeah, that sounds like an interesting turn of events. If Naruto finds out, he may just have a little chat with him. In fact, I hope he says something like, "please make her happy." They'll probably start talking about Sasuke (you just know it'll head there) the guy will then be outraged and starts badmouthing her. And then Naruto gets angry and defends her but this actually turns the tables on Naruto. He'll realize Naruto still loves Sakura deeply. And he'll ask what he feels about Sakura which leads to telling him everything about Team 7 and perhaps the POAL as well. He'll then tell Naruto to tell Sakura what he really feels. Naruto refuses. And they end up in a fistfight.
Ironic enough, the guy is an Iwa-nin whose village's greatest enemy was Minato. But he'll be the one to push NS even closer and help bring Naruto happiness. It'd be even more ironic if Minato was the one who killed someone dear to him but in this one fight, Naruto will lose. Why?? because the Iwa-nin's "fists" had the stronger resolve. So it'd be kind of a poetic justice for the Iwa-nin and in a way, he'd able to accomplish his revenge by beating Naruto to a bloody pulp.
The only thing that bugged me was that this more or less confirmed that Sakura was talking about Sasuke in the last chapter ("There's someone else I love..."). But as people are saying, the look on her place clearly shows she isn't proud of loving Sasuke, so SSers have nothing to really celebrate on their end. Her feelings are obviously still muddled, and she'll need to resolve them before the finale.
And the Hinata scene was nothing to worry about, just ol' Fainty McBigchest being her usual one-dimensional self.
The bottom line is that until Naruto shows romantic feelings for Hinata, Sasuke shows romantic feelings for Sakura, or Naruto and Sakura actually talk to each other to resolve her confession and Naruto's feelings for her, NaruSaku isn't dead. Hopefully I'll remember this next time instead of freaking out, lol.
If you look at it from SSers' POV, then no. IMO, it seemed as if she's acting like those chicks in western novels who want to unrealistically be with him and want to find any kind of way to make him all loving. Remember, I'm taking this view as to how a SSer would see it. And frankly, I'll have to agree.
Looking forward to next week's chapter. Typical, two Kages in their way, and the first thing Bee notices is Tsunade's chest and lack of bra.
Can't wait to see how Kyuubi Naruto does against the Raikage. No clones, and he won't be able to try the Ultra Rasengan as it'll risk killing the Raikage. Of course, Naruto does still have high speed and power - and maybe this physical fight is when he can really get a feel for his Kyuubified body.
Absolutely. Naruto VS Raikage will be EPIC!!
Yeah, Naruto does seem to be the only one with the ability to differentiate between real people and Zetsu clones. Only question is, will he get past the Raikage quickly enough. I think Naruto will appeal to Tsunade to let him through, and tell her about the confusion he can sense. Tsunade will be able to hear the reports confirming the attacks from her Katsuyu clone, and most likely will let him go AFTER he's held his own against the Raikage.
Night has fallen, the moon's shining bright.
The demon fox is hunting (Zetsus) tonight.
You know, I just thought of something. Naruto can sense confusion as well as hate. I wonder if he can detect the full range of emotions? It'd be interesting if Naruto stood before Sakura in his Kyuubi state, but I doubt Kishimoto would do anything like that.
Hopefully he does. It has SO much potential. Awesome rap BTW.
Bet Bee would say the exact same words.
Alright, it's about time I got home. I've been making my posts all on my Android Phone today. (So annoying when I have so much to say /).-)
I apologize for my earlier panic and rage haha. It seems I'm not the only one though. Good job though people, on getting others to calm down. I must say, that spoiler really juked us out and made us panic and whatnot. We didn't see the picture, only the script, so we had no idea that she was looking all depressed when she thought of Sasuke. However, I really don't think that changed much.
Sasuke is on her mind, and that really shattered my image of her telling Naruto "I love you" to be truthful. I'm sure she does love Naruto, but not in the romantic way. Many claim that Sakura only thought of Sasuke because she used to love him (in that panel) but really stop being in denial you all have to face that facts that Sakura is MADLY in love with Sasuke!!! I hate to admit it! Really! I'm a die hard NaruSaku fan and I love everything about it, but it's the truth.
I love this forum and all... but one thing I noticed, was a tool that most of you used to appease the panicers, which was overanalyzing that one panel. Some things just have to be taken at face-value and you needa suck it up and face the facts. Our personal bias really gets in the way... And an over analyzed aspect was when people claim that panel to be an exampleof Sakura transitioning to loving Naruto. Uh people... Naruto was no where in that whole entire page
I just think that most of us over anaylze and hold way too much hope in our hearts sometimes. Kishimoto isn't a perfect writer, and neither are we perfect. Please don't treat the panicers like they're some disgusting humans. You're human too. I paniced too. We all got emotionally involved and some got attached to this couple too! It actually makes me happy to see such devoted people to this pairing, cause it's something I enjoy supporting, following and discussing too. Another reason we shouldn't analyze so much is because you don't want to falsely raise the hopes of others. I think the reason that we all paniced and havoc was released in that certain spoiler discussion was because we all beat the crap out of all the moments and debatable topics back in the Great Narusaku Debate Thread. Seriously, I stopped posting there and grew tired of all the overdone and sometimes unbelievable things people added into moments and thoughts and whatnot that made me really say "Really? You're making up stuff now to further support this couple?" I'd love to rant about how this couple world work, but when people starting using material and make up crap that isn't even IN the manga... I have to draw the line and I wouldn't want to plant false information in our community.
So I beg of you NaruSaku fanclub, don't overanalyze every damn thing that Sakura thinks of that has to do with Sasuke or Naruto. If it's Sasuke she loves, it's Sasuke she loves... It makes me depressed I know, but if you ever need other nice romantic anime/ecchi/harem/drama just ask me, I assure you it'll take away your depression or get your mind off this (in some's opinion) fail-turd-manga pairing/story.
I can see where those people who want to abandon this manga come from. It's so frustrating. Kishi has been playing marry go round with all these pairings and it only makes them look bad.
If you got anything to say to me about how this was an up or positive turn for NaruSaku please.
Do so.
I really can't see how you can show that to me while sounding neutral. It'll only sound bias if you ask me.
As of now I believe NaruSaku = 30% chance SasuSaku = 70% chance, that'll change over the many more chapters Kishi plans to torture us with. And for those who wanna say something about "Oh wow this is a damn action story don't get so caught up." This is a damn club for this pairing, let people get emotional if they want to! If it gets outta hand tell them wasup. But don't bash members character bashing is bad enough here guys. I'm sad with this turn of events too, but don't start attacking eachother cause of it.
QFT. I'd disagree with the percentages, though.
Anyways, sometimes you just have to take things at face value. Frankly, as much as I love the "overanalysis". Just this once I'm taking a critical stance. To be honest, I sometimes feel some know-it-alls here just pull things out of their hide just to keep us encouraged. Not that I don't appreciate it, but the more I think about it, the more I have to question it.
This is a completely neutral statement from me. I have no 'percentage' for NaruSaku, but I must say that your 70% for SasuSaku is ridiculously and even pointlessly high. Why? Ever heard the adage 'it takes two to tango.' At what point in the entire manga has Sasuke even remotely shown interest in Sakura?
Other than trying to kill her of course.
You can't run off into the sunset, become a valid/canon pairing, and start making babies together without there being an actual pairing to begin with.
So to me SasuSaku has almost 0% of happening, as it has been to me from nearly the beginning of the manga. Sasuke does not and seemingly cannot 'love' anyone. He is headed down a path that will end in death and destruction for himself, and most everyone around him. There is no 'happy ending' for him in that.
I think you missed his point. Remember why Sasuke took this path. It was because of love. The love he had for his family and clan drove him to this point in the present. And that's why it's quite reasonable to think love will also save him. Sakura's love (in SSers' POV). It kinda makes sense if you think about it and you'll have to admit it has some merit. He went psycho because of love and yet love will also save him. Ironic, huh??
I'd also like to point out something interesting I've noticed throughout the manga. Everytime we see SS and NH take a step forward, NS takes ten steps forward shortly afterwards. Observe:
1.) Sakura confesses her love to Sasuke. Sasuke thanks her, but leaves anyway.
Naruto then promises to bring him back, and Sakura realizes Naruto understands her more then anyone else.
2.) Sakura punches Sai out after badmouthing Sasuke.
Yamato later comments that Sakura's feelings for Naruto are more than that of friendship.
3.) Hinata confesses her love to Naruto. Pain 'kills' her, and Naruto goes berserk.
Naruto comes back and Sakura gives Naruto the sexiest hug in the series thus far.
4.) Sakura 'fakes' a confession to Naruto. Sai tells him she wants to kill Sasuke because she loves him.
Naruto saves Sakura from Sasuke in a very symbolic scene (see Minato's rescue of Kushina).
5.) Sakura thinks of Sasuke after reflecting on someone else she likes.
[insert best NaruSaku moment ever here]
Well, let's hope he DOES keep up the pattern. But the only thing is, I hate how he's doing it. It just feels like he's having fun trolling the fandom and screwing them over.
I'm sorry. We're just going to have to agree to wildly disagree. These two statements are fairy ridiculous to me, sorry. One, it is not and never has been Sasuke's nature to 'holla' at a girl. For his character to pull a complete 360 like that, would make the manga and Kishimoto's skill at writing it laughable. And two, SasuSaku can not be a threat if there is no pairing to begin with. One sided love/affection =/= a threatening canon pairing.
Oh yes it can. Why?? simple. If one has feelings, there's still a chance the other one will think about it and do a 180 on his decision. That's why it's so small but yet still there.
Alright, before I respond to this, let me apologize in advance if I sound overly critical.
First off, you missed my point in the post you quoted. Kishi has no reason to bring up Sakura's guilt over loving Sasuke in that infamous panel. He also had no reason to introduce that love-letter ninja other than to give us an inside look at Sakura's feelings. And for umpteenth time, they were not happy feelings. This isn't over-analysis, it's painfully obvious. The only possible reason Kishi would introduce Sakura's feelings back into plot would be to resolve them on some level. And Sakura looking sad with Sasuke in the background is hardly a resolution.
Second, after reading some of your previous posts, I have to ask, are you really a NaruSaku shipper? To have your faith swayed so easily by ONE PANEL seems completely absurd to me. If you want to jump ship, go right ahead. But stop trying to take us down with you, as this ship isn't even close to sinking. I highly recommend reading ciardha's earlier post; it pretty much completely illustrates the context behind the panel.
Finally, since you're bringing my personal shipping opinions into the mix, let me tell you a little story. Only a few years ago, I actually was a pretty avid NaruHina shipper. I would look at obvious the NaruSaku hints and just wave them off, no matter how important they were to the characters' development. After a while, NaruSaku just became impossible to ignore. Logic and Reason finally took over, and I saw how this is the only pairing that even remotely makes sense.
My point in bringing this up is that it's perfectly fine if you want to jump ship. I did it and came out unphased. But before you do, I highly recommend you consider the context of the entire manga, how Naruto and Sakura's characters have evolved, and all the previous evidence of their blossoming relationship, and tell me, is one panel really enough to make you abandon ship?
Well, I certainly ain't gonna abandon ship but if there's one thing I have to say it's Kishi's fault for making us feel like it. Which is such a lame and cheap move IMO.
Ok, after almost twenty minutes of reading I'm finally caught up on just about everything that's been going on, in this topic. Very festive btw, we had thrills, trolls, spills, and even Dr. Cox. Shout out to Scrubs btw.
Anyway, the debate of the majority of the posts from this chapter stems on the whole Sakura/Naruto/Sasuke shipping thing. And I'll admit I cursed outloud like that Nuclear guy did in his video. I was pissed because even though I know the whole Naru/Saku thing is going to come out that swiftly. As a fan for it myself, I'd like to get thrown a bone every once and a while. This thing did the exact opposite.
When the aforementioned statement of Stalker-Nin, "He must be a great guy if you're in love with him."
There could have been three responses:
1. An image of Naruto- Highly unlikely but it would have presented with undeniable proof that her feelings were there and that confession she stated to Naruto was genuine. Everyone here would have been rooting for this one.
2. An image of both Sasuke and Naruto- This to me would have been more likely. Showing that she was conflicted between two of them. And that they both held a deep place in her heart. Sasuke the boy from her past, who she used to love. And Naruto, the boy soon to be man, that her heart was going toward or fell on. It would have stated plainly to everyone that there has been a shift in her heart that Naruto wasn't just the friend/teammate that everyone groups him as. But he actually is a contender for her affections. You get a bit of dynamics going on with this images. This choice as me as a writer myself, would have picked. Just to tease both sides of the fence a bit more. Honestly I was thinking this was going to be the outcome even the last chapter.
Now we finally get to the image that was selected...
3. Sasuke- Now, before I get into this, please know that I'm not abandoning Naru/Saku I still love the pairing and all, but I try to pride myself on being both practical and realistic. I was majorly disappointed with seeing Saskue's face alone. It just struck me as after everything that's happened, that seeing that Uchiha was the sole figure in the panel when the topic is about the guy she's in love with. Now, I've read several I guess you can say the more faithful shippers that state that Sakura wasn't saying she was still in love with Sasuke but she was reflecting on the past and how much she dreaded her feelings or something along those lines. And I'll admit she does look depress during her mental image of Sasuke, but it's not like she snaps out of it with Naruto drifting into another thought in the next panel or page or something. It's just Sasuke and only Sasuke. And that point I can only take things at face value. I see what's on the manga page and I make a face much like Sakura's.
The only other thing I can say is this, where is the line drawn from where there is actual evidence present to the point we're just convincing ourselves that there is evidence there?
Bolded: NOW THAT is how it's SUPPOSED TO BE.
I'll admit, I had a somewhat similar reaction to most everyone else in that panel
The difference between Hinata and Sakura's confession and this thing; that panel was not even the main plot point of this chapter, unlike those other two mentioned.
I'll just say that I'm one of those who believe Sakura has not completely gotten over her feelings for Sasuke, but knows that what he's doing is wrong and that he's the enemy now, and acknowledges something must be done about it. And I do think her feelings for Naruto are genuine.
That being said, the guy simply said that the person Sakura likes/loves must be great because SHE'S in love with him. So, it probably is a reflection on how she hasn't made the best choices romantically.
I'd imagine it will be a while before we see Sakura do something cool again, but this was worth it. She probably just made a huge difference in the war.
Oh, and I think Killer Bee's estimate is off. I thought Tsunade was larger than that.
And what's with Kishi trolling being compared to Kubo's trolling? Outside of Orohime's confession, I haven't seen anything romantic in Bleach. The only trolling I see in Kubo's style is using characters no one gives a kitten about and suddenly makes them the primary cast.
Err... when was Orihime's confession again?? it's been such a long time......
Ok I just wanted to point out to you guys a marketing perspective. The number one rule for a marketer is to get the customer emotionally involved.
Hence kishi's trolls=emotionally involved= customers keep coming back.
This is my reasoning he knows people ship for the big three so he has to throw bones to keep them coming back for more. This is why Hinata shows up out of no where.
Think about it this way, if NS were resolved the SS and NH fan pairings would be calling blasphemy just like we were earlier. And they may abandon the Manga meaning lost revenue
Just look at this thread, when a writer can make a reader feel emotion they are doing their job.
This is why NS almost always springs forward 10 steps when NH or SS get support and it almost always does it 5 to 10 chapters after the "abandon ship" chapter happens.
In the end a lot of the story is just suspenseful story telling, but looking at clues lead to a NS ending. Kishi just has to keep stuff going back and forth just so he doesn't lose anyone until the end.
Frankly, this big 3 stuff only applies to the west. Kishi doesn't even know about the huge pairing wars in the west. This makes me believe Kishi's editor forced him to. Why, I don't know.
Thank you! I saw that person's reaction and the longer one later and was like- seriously dude you don't know how to read manga.
And seriously Yosh, you sound like a Sakura basher that will use any excuse to bash the character. You don't sound the least bit like a narusaku but like that NHer that was in here earlier.
Oh and I saw the panel and Sakura's answer to the guy wasn't even "ha... It was gomen nasai- which is "I'm sorry"
Oh, and naruhina and Sasusaku are less than one sided, while narusaku is mutual. NH and SS are less than one sided now because Naruto has zero interest in Hinata, and Hinata is transitioning quite readily away from her crush and to seeing Naruto as an encouraging role model.
Sasuke has zero interest in Sakura, except as one of the many people he wants to kill- and attempted to four times now, Naruto being first on his list. The memories of her feelings for Sasuke just makes her miserable and ashamed. Sounds pretty dead a ship to me. Sakura is romantically in love with Naruto, Sakura said so, Sai said so, Naruto doesn't disagree and in fact sees Sakura now in his mind looking at him with romantic love, and Kishimoto himself made the point blank statement to all Sakura bashers that Sakura was being completely truthful about being romantically in love with Naruto and believing that she had purged all her feelings for Sasuke- even team mate bonds. Knowing she still feels a connection to Sasuke, just makes her feel sick at heart. How does her romantic love for Naruto make her feel- Happy, flirtatious, blushing, safe and warm inside. Naruto loves Sakura, Sakura loves Naruto and both are aware of the other being as deeply in love with them as the other...
Now tell me, which one sounds like love. like a ship in full sail? Looks like Narusaku is the only one of those. Seriously, the only other ship that involves the main characters that has any evidence of mutual feelings is SasukexNaruto but Naruto is 100% het, so that ends that ship. Sasuke gives enough evidence to being bisexual with more inclination toward being gay (Karin is the only female he has ever shown the least attraction to--not that that worked out well for her!), and his love/hate feelings for Naruto definitely has romantic overtones- something Kishimoto even visually played out on one manga volume cover that looked like a shonen-ai cover with Sasuke thinking of Naruto with a sort of wistful/longing look on his face.
ciardha, I've always respected you for your opinions, but I can't help but say "say what??" If Sakura was indeed honest, (as Kishi told us) Why was this chapter like this, then?? I ask you this. If Kishi had indeed been true to his word, then why did he do this. Frankly, I can't really accept your reasonings about the panels because it can be interpreted in two ways:
1. She's still in love with Sasuke.
2. The reasons you stated.
I'm leaning towards no. 1 why?? if it's really like you said, then why isn't there anymore clear hints?? It actually makes her look like like a love slave for Sasuke craving for his love and being masochistic towards him.
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