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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 4 2013, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The confession:

Everyone wants to use this against NS, but we have several things that Sakura said that make it so she is not a liar. 1. She said she didn't want to make any mistakes. Lying is a pretty big one. 2. She said she KNEW what Naruto's answer was going to be, yet she did it anyway...Why? I smell miss-direction.

Point 2: Sai was the one who guessed Sakura knew what he would say.

Sai: She thought she’d lesson your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you. But you still said you wanted to save Sasuke. I think that’s why she couldn’t tell you the truth. She was thinking of your feelings…and she probably knew you’d say that.

Even after this, Naruto maintains how much he knows Sakura likes Sasuke and can't believe she would want to kill him on her own.

Sai says: That's why. (Response to Naruto saying: But she likes Sasuke so much) I don't think she can stand by and watch as he plunges headlong towards evil. She wants to save him from a life of evil because she loves him. And I think she is prepared to do whatever it takes, even if it means killing the one she loves. And…she also knows that might make you hate her. That’s her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden. She’s always relied on you too much. So now she’s going to do everything alone.

The biggest problem with Sakura's confession was that it wasn't only about Naruto, which makes it not really a true confession, imo. Sakura was doing two things. 1. trying to make up for burdening Naruto 2. if he didn't accept her offer (which she guessed he wouldnt), she was going to secretly go and try to handle Sasuke herself.

She was thinking of both Naruto and Sasuke and wasn't truly prepared to admit she was in love with Naruto, regardless of what she said. That's the problem with using Sakura's Confession as strong evidence. The fact that it is so largely debated by EVERYONE is telling, I think XD She doesn't want Naruto to be so burdened because of her (cuz of the things Sai had just told her about her burdening Naruto which caused her to have a meltdown of guilty feelings) and she can't stand seeing Sasuke, a guy she loves, continuing on his path of darkness. It's like a lose/lose situation.

Her compromise is to confess to Naruto and hope he goes back with her, nice and safe, to Konoha. Obviously, he suspects she isn't being completely truthful and this plan falls apart.

I mean, saying 'Sakura said she wouldn't make any more mistakes' doesn't really mean she becomes a perfect person, especially given this situation. Between being branded a liar or watching Naruto get killed by ebil Sasuke, she is going to choose to lie. It was for Naruto's protection, which does show she cares a lot for him. However, the confession itself was not a truthful admittance of feelings as much as it was her playing out her options.

Let's face it. Every big confession made so far has been an act of desperation. Sakura to Sasuke was largely her begging/threatening him not to leave. Hinata to Naruto was because she was prepared to die if she could save him. Sakura to Naruto because she wanted to protect Naruto and make up for burdening him.

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Naruto however proved her wrong and that Naruto's feelings for her were not a product of POAL or something, but the opposite. That's why Kakashi said a big burden was lifted off Naruto. He doesn't need to fight for Sakura's affection anymore. He got it. Now all he needs to do is save his friend. Some will say the burden was the POAL. Yeah, but what was the purpose of the POAL? To gain Sakura's affection and to bring his friend back. Now he just has to focus on one thing.


The purpose of the POAL wasn't to gain Sakura's affection. The purpose of the POAL was that he would bring back Sasuke for her because he saw how much she loved him. Basically, it was a selfless act from Naruto because he kept his feelings to himself for her sake. For her happiness over his. Bringing back Sasuke was already going to happen, but his promise to Sakura specifically was him acknowledging how much she loved Sasuke and realizing he probably wouldn't win her love with Sasuke back in the picture.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:50 AM

Whatever Kishi said, I'd say Hinata wouldn't make a great heroine for this series without a complete character overhaul anyways (at which point she wouldn't even be the same character her fans like anymore). Her main characteristic is how damn shy she is, which is far from a fitting personality type to make an important character in an action comic. Honestly, when you sit and think on it, she's not really the type of person you'd expect to be in this whole ninja business anyways, but that's another topic.

Her heroic moments* also come to a total of one - the time she rushed Pein - and she was shanked before she even got a shot in for her trouble. It was almost a parody of a "Big Damn Heroes" moment. She's not the "heroine" type, in my opinion.

*From the chapters I've read, I mean. No clue if she's done anything since other than the whole speech from this chapter, but given how little she's been in this manga on the whole I'm guessing no.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because we share the same views and are commending and respecting each other.

Yup and it should stay that way, ofcoarse there'll be some differences but lets keep it nice and clean, NS should always be the MAIN topic, and if anyone wants to discuss the possibilities of NH and SS there are many FC where you could discuss it, but not here, no sirree this is a NS FC so only NS topics.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 4 2013, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly. See the answers are there, just need to ask the right questions.

It's not fan catering or making sure none of the fans are pissed off cause their pairing didn't happen. It's about giving the fans a satisfying end to what they want. If NS happened much sooner, you would have the NH fans and the SS fan screaming "WTF?" and a whole bigger mess. We know that if NH and SS were the intended pairing, things would have been done much differently.

Why go through all this trouble if the intended pairing was something different? It doesn't make sense. It can't be fan catering because NH would have been canon already 100-200 chapters ago and Sasuke would have been saved by now and be in love with Sakura.

What Kishimoto is trying to do is give all the final pairings a final salute. Giving them one last run and one last moment before he ends it with NS. It is by far the only explanation that makes sense and explain a lot of what is happening. NH fans will disagree with me, but even they can not answer why NH didn't happen before or ever will happen. All they got is this moment to work with.

It would also explain why SS is saved for last as one last hurdle to get over.



Thanks, but you all give me way too much credit. I am no better or worse than the next person on this forum. Yeah, I contribute, but this is a team effort. We're all in this together.

If it wasn't for RomanceGirl, I would not have had the inspiration to have written it. She deserves the medal, not me. That, plus another very special person who has been making me smile a lot lately.

Exactly if kishi wanted to make NH cannon he would've atleast gave us some hints in the middle or beginning of the manga, i too believe that this is juat a way of kiahi wrapping Hinata up.

I agree with you all the way james, me, you, romace G, chucky kun, slex, T XD, gravenimage, don kun and many more all are in this together, we help eahother stand up in hard times, we're all in this together, helping, sharing ideas and ranting.

And i believe that even when narusaku becomes cannon, yeah sure maybe some of us will consider the game over and leave this site, but i for one see this site as something more than just place to discuss NS, but a place where i got to meet many of my fellow narusaku'ers and become friends, and debate.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:38 AM

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And whose the one special person who makes you smile eh? wait lemme guess...Romance girl? tongue.gif


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

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And whose the one special person who makes you smile eh? wait lemme guess...Romance girl? tongue.gif


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Went to Narutopedia.
Found the quote.
Looked at references.
Didn't see anything besides the databooks and Chapters.
Narutopedia is biased, nuff said

kruemelmonsteryn0.gif That interview was translated, what he really said is that he's gonna make sakura more heroine like and that, everyone says hinata-hinata all the time, and says no not HINATA I say sakura.

@miss soupyy

Imo what sai said about sakura was wrong, about sakura killing sasuke because she loves him, first of all because he didn't get this confirmed from sakura unlike narutos feelings which he got a direct confirmation from naruto himself, and sai was right about sakura being tender towards naruto because he read it in a book and we all know that sakura did just go read the manga and you'll know what I'm talking about.But sai could't have read in a book, no actuallyy there aren't any books that say "If person A is in love with person B they'll go kill thr out of love" kruemelmonsteryn0.gif that's complete BS besides if as sai said if sakura loves sasuke she'd kill him, well she couldn't kill him......that just comes to show that what sai said was WRONG.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:29 AM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:36 AM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

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@James aaah I see fu.png someone on this forum or.......fu.png lool


I don't have the freedom to say.

All I can say is that she had made me smile in a way that I haven't done since 2011

I am about to go deep here. I have no real hard evidence to support my claim, but it is more like me reanalyzing Naruto.

I've meditated on this manga a lot; tried to get inside Naruto's head as a character and the psychological reasoning about him. Even though he is the product of a writer, I tried to imagine myself through him. If it were me in the same situation how would I behave? Most of the time I would have done exactly as he would. Other times I would do something completely different.

I even went back and read the manga in a different mind-set thinking and I find a lot of stuff to be different than I had originally thought. The facts change constantly and some might not be as true as some think. I then question the writer himself. Why did he do this, why didn't he do that? What is he trying to convey?

Naruto does sometimes act out of character and does things that normally he would not do. You all know these scenes and can feel it in the writing style. I don't need to explain them. I've always wondered why. So I dig deeper. Why? Is it Kishimoto's bad writing? Is it a mistake? It is rushed? Maybe it is everything. Maybe there is some underlying purpose. Theories abound yet nothing definitive.

So I go back to Naruto. Look at him as a character. As a person.

Naruto is not a perfect character. He has his flaws. He has his moments. He also has is own way of dealing with the truth or hiding away from pain and you wonder if he purposely pushes people away from him after a while. Sure, in the beginning he wanted attention, but now he just seems to push people away. He can't let people get inside his own heart and soul. He builds up defenses to his own heart because he afraid of not getting what he desires. Sometimes I even feel like he is afraid to be happy thinking he doesn't deserve it yet.

He may even build up walls. Walls that are meant to be broken down. Not an easy thing to do. Who can break down Naruto's walls? I took off my shipping glasses and really wanted to think about this. Sai? I find that friends, as much as they care, cannot break the walls. It's not their fault just how things are. Sasuke? I actually believe he is the one that made Naruto build the wall. Sure he gave him a rival and first to see him as equal, but Sasuke is cold and believes that emotion is a flaw that people can exploit. At least how I see it. Naruto sees that and sub-consciously builds a wall so he does not suffer the same fate. Sasuke loved his brother and trusted him. Itachi, for the reason we already know, had to betray that trust to keep him safe. Whether you like him or not, he had to do that to save his brother. Naruto understands this and he builds this wall around himself so he isn't corrupted the same way Sasuke is.

Pain, as demonstrated by many villains, have been the number one cause of these villains turning to the dark side of the force. It's also shown that many of the pain inducers were caused by people who the person trusted and loved. This is why Naruto distances himself from others. He doesn't really talk about himself does he? Sure he talks about his goals and his nindo and such, but he never really talked about himself. He didn't want them to see him as weak and take advantage of that. So again, he builds that wall. It doesn't change him, just makes him distant so he doesn't change.

Can Hinata break down the walls? Trying to be as none bias as I can be I'd say no simply because she enforces the behavior. She rather instead coddle to Naruto and tell him that she rather have him safe than push his luck. This doesn't encourage growth. This doesn't encourage him to push out of his shell and see the sun. She is not trying to keep him in there, but instead says "Take your time. I'll be here." She does make him realize what he is missing by letting out of his shell. This is still why he feels that everything relies on him. This is why he feels compelled to think that his problems are only his alone to bear. I have seen people say that 615 shows Hinata pushing Naruto out of the hopelessness, but it doesn't break own the wall. Like I said, the goals and nindo are the wall itself. Stuff he hides behind to mask what he really desires. Acceptance is a part of it, but it's funny how he thought being a Hokage would make everyone appreciate him. As we know leaders can be admired, but that doesn't mean they are loved. Some do it out of fear. I don't think Naruto realized this.

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Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 January 2013 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:03 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 4 2013, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What the heck? Seriously, what the heck? Number 1, James already said that he'd have to agree to disagree with you, and you respond by telling him his evidence is useless? Then to make it all much much worse, you use one of the most degrading words in all of the English language 'kittenry' to further shove in his face your opinion that what he said is useless?

That's not going to fly here. Agreed to disagree and move on AND read the forum rules (which you have been instructed to do more times than I'm willing to count) about language and derogatory statements.

I was talking about the scene where Naruto says that he wants to die with Sasuke not his opinions.
And yes i said Sakura did a lot of things for Naruto, he can pass all day putting evidences about to enforce what i agreed and we all know, but the last panels of Sakura talking about herself, shows that she does not look this way.

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Making mistakes doesn't mean having insecurities.

I think you dont get what i said all those scenes say something in common Sakura's bad view about herself.

look at this scene http://i6.mangareade...naruto-5798.jpg
the look at this http://i22.mangaread...naruto-5799.jpg
Yamato was going to change her view about herself but it got interrupted.

look at this
http://i19.mangaread...ruto-536480.jpg
it enforces again that she looks down about herself.

Again
http://i10.mangaread...uto-1242678.jpg

And again.
http://i12.mangaread...uto-2347827.jpg
You must be in love with a great person.
Infortunately she has a very low view about herself.

Which mirrors to this.
http://i2.mangareade...uto-1377333.jpg

All those scenes connects to a fact that Naruto will change Sakura, and changer her view about herself it's enforced by Kishi's words when he say;

"Naruto's close but still... Sasuke"
is close because it's already proved that he change Sakura's view about Naruto, she views him as a hero and as a amazing shinobi.
with this he makes her have doubts about her feelings for Naruto what will gonna happen if Naruto change her view about herself?

Chyo-baa, yamato,shizune,tsunade all failed on this or got cut off by kishimoto.

I think sakura will fall in love with Naruto on the same way as Kushina did with Minato.
The difference is that Minato did all the two things in one scene and Naruto will take the whole story to do that.

1-> Change her views about Naruto (done).
2-> Change her views about herself

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

@Toasty Warrior.
Love the dedication, but I do want to warn that the same way NS fans make fun of the other pairing for trying to draw NS moment and turning them into NH or SS moment, I honestly expect for the NH camp to make a mockery of your or anyone else holding hands NS style.
Beautiful art are beautiful arts, but this was inspired by something Kishimoto did for the other camp and in some way it can be interpreted as envy even when that might not eve be your or the owner of that art intention.

Am really sorry both that's my take on that art, still think is cute duh.




@miss soupyy

Your interpretation of that moment almost matches with my own interpretation of that moment as well.
But here are some stuff I cannot wrap my head around.

Sai asking Naruto if he loves Sakura and he not denying it.
Sakura asking Naruto that if he doesn't likes her just say so, but he did not say so.
Sai telling Sakura that even him a person rather clumsy when it comes to feelings can see that Naruto loves her.
Naruto wishing Sakura was not joking about her feelings for him.
Sakura showing again and again that she was motivated by her desire to ease Naruto from the burden she place on him.
Sakura wanting to kill Sasuke because she loves him but she could kill him because she loves him. confused.gif
Naruto, Kakashi or Sakura not making a single mention to Sasuke about her feelings, like why would you try to kill Sakura even after knowing that she truly loves you.
Sakura owns though after Naruto give her hope again never focused on her feelings.
A big check point, Naruto and Sasuke were about to kill each other but her heart could only act for her deep concern for Naruto completely forgetting the man she truly loves could also die.
And last but not lease.

This.
No one can tell me that Sakura at that time wasn't running trough some deep emotion, but the moment she was about to approach Naruto and who knows what she was about to do, Kishi just in a sudden remember that Naruto was poisoned by Sakura's Kunai and decided to force him out the picture.

Since then Naruto and Sakura has never had a confrontation or even a moment spending time together something they always do, plus the fact that anytime Sakura appears in the picture she always goes next to Naruto.

About her confession, her feelings and Naruto feelings, after haven all these evidence we have people saying that Sakura deeply and truly loves Sasuke and does not have and ink of romantic affection towards Naruto and we have others saying that Naruto does not love Sakura anymore, when all the evidence in the Manga says something else.

2nd conclusion, why would Kishi have the need to keep Naruto away from Sakura or vice verse if he didn't have any intention of misleading the readers or worst confirming a pairing with out seeing Naruto and Sakura coming to an agreement that the will never progress in a romantic relationship.



And for those who will ask why I didn't say anything about 540, that is because I already came to therms with the fact that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke.

The resolution of her confession to Naruto, her feelings for Naruto, her situation or thoughts about Sasuke, Hinata's confession reply and Naruto reaffirmation of his feelings is something I believe Kishi is purposely holding back.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 January 2013 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This.
No one can tell me that Sakura at that time wasn't running trough some deep emotion, but the moment she was about to approach Naruto and who knows what she was about to do, Kishi just in a sudden remember that Naruto was poisoned by Sakura's Kunai and decided to force him out the picture.

Jinchuurikis are immune to poison and it was stated on part 1, i think it was to avoid a confrontation between Naruto and Sakura mostly likely Naruto would make her stop thinking so low about herself.
Kishi is avoiding a talk about this topic of Naruto and Sakura, since part 2, either fainting him, or changing the subject.

@Don-kun like i said Kishimoto is developing a moment where Naruto will not need to say i love you but he will say what he thinks about Sakura, say that she's not useless, that she's a great person and a strong shinobi changing her, she will fall in love with Naruto if this happens it does not even need to have a SS confrontation or make a conclusion about her feelings for sasuke but it's not needed because she fell in love.
Looks like we both agree thanks i think i was the only one who had this views.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 5 2013, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
are you talking about that interview? huh.gif

http://narutoxsakura...rview-334624389

Guys, this interview holds many hints of Kishi's decided pairing, not to mention that he's telling whose the real heroine of the series instead of some people's wishful desire.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jinchuurikis are immune to poison and it was stated on part 1, i think it was to avoid a confrontation between Naruto and Sakura mostly likely Naruto would make her stop thinking so low about herself.
Kishi is avoiding a talk about this topic of Naruto and Sakura, since part 2, either fainting him, or changing the subject.

@Don-kun like i said Kishimoto is developing a moment where Naruto will not need to say i love you but he will say what he thinks about Sakura, say that she's not useless, that she's a great person and a strong shinobi changing her, she will fall in love with Naruto if this happens it does not even need to have a SS confrontation or make a conclusion about her feelings for sasuke but it's not needed because she fell in love.


This is the problem with your post, not to say that you're wrong or anything, but you're using the word CHANGE Naruto will not be changing Sakura, he will only help her to appreciate who she is learn to accept that she is a wonderful person and a great friend, de definition of changing comes from changing someone from being a loser changing into be a winner, from a thief/criminal to a christian, from fat to slim, from an undernourished person to a vigorous person, from poor man to a rich man, terrible medic to a great medic, etc, etc, this is the definition of changing someone.
This doesn't apply to Sakura because Naruto will only help her in accepting who she already is, appreciate herself more, that isn't change that is acceptance.

The most you can say here is that Naruto will help Sakura change the way she view herself and that is still up to her.


QUOTE (T XD @ Jan 5 2013, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys, this interview holds many hints of Kishi's decided pairing, not to mention that he's telling whose the real heroine of the series instead of some people's wishful desire.

From the moment I read that interview that was the impression I got, but I prefer to hold on on that thought and wait for Kishi to spell it out in the Manga.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 January 2013 - 01:04 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

My Eyes!!!!!!! They BURN~! i fast read like 12 pages none stop, @.@ not sure how many times i blinked...very little thats for sure.

Anyways just wanted to point out that along thoes 12 pages, i think they were 12 maybe im wrong, i enjoyed seeing how the topic went positive againt, and James great post. Now of to bed, got work tomorow.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 5 2013, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the problem with your post, not to say that you're wrong or anything, but you're using the word CHANGE Naruto will not be changing Sakura, he will only help her to appreciate who she is learn to accept that she is a wonderful person and a great friend, de definition of changing comes from changing someone from being a loser changing into be a winner, from a thief/criminal to a christian, from fat to slim, from an undernourished person to a vigorous person, from poor man to a rich man, terrible medic to a great medic, etc, etc, this is the definition of changing someone.
This doesn't apply to Sakura because Naruto will only help her in accepting who she already is, appreciate herself more, that isn't change that is acceptance.

The most you can say here is that Naruto will help Sakura change the way she view herself and that is still up to her.

http://i2.mangareade...uto-1377333.jpg

mostly important he changed me.
Minato changed her views about herself, this was the main reason why she fall in love with him

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

Continue from my previous post. Before the crash.
http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=427518

I thought about Hinata’s confession and asked if this was breaking down the walls of his. If I really had to tell the truth, it would be no. It’s close, don’t get me wrong, but she didn’t push it. She didn’t push herself or explained herself and because of this it slipped Naruto’s mind. I am not talking about pushing as in trying to push herself into Naruto’s life like she has been. I mean pushing as in talking about it which again Naruto has not done and won’t do on his own merit because of those walls. Shame on Naruto, yes, but Naruto’s feelings for Sakura also plays a part in it. If Hinata talked to Naruto about the confession, then I would say that NaruHina would get a real growth in chance. Still not a guarantee it would happen, but it would give Naruto something to think about. The last thing he would need is to find the answers first to the questions he is asking. This did not happen though and that’s why the confession was never again brought up.

So we come to the all important question: Can Sakura break down the walls? Again, in a non-bias view…Yes. The advantage that Sakura has is she has seen Naruto at his weakest and at his strongest and, thanks to Sai, she sort of knows what lies behind the wall. She is still in the dark about a few things, but she is a lot closer to seeing who Naruto really is than Hinata or Sai. Sai only knows half the information and while he has figured out what make Naruto tick, he has not seen Naruto without the walls given that he has no idea about Sasuke and his role.

The all important Sakura confession: I have covered this before, but now I am going to look at this from a different angle. With Hinata’s confession we have no conversation. With this one, they had a bad argument that nearly drove them apart. You know why? I do. Could it be that Sakura put a crack in Naruto’s wall? I think so. Still not broken down, but it did crack it to make Naruto see a truth through the hole. Kishimoto said in an interview that Sakura was being a truthful, but stubborn woman. That is why she can break down his walls because she refuses to give in and let him hide. She doesn’t want him to hide. She doesn’t want him to be afraid of his feelings. She doesn’t want him to hide behind the wall like Sasuke did otherwise Naruto might one day be just like him.

Sakura does have her own problems to work out, but I’ve already covered this. Instead I am looked at the mere fact that this fight took place. No relationship is perfect. I like Maroon 5’s song “She will be loved” and why I like this song as a NS theme song. In the song there is a line “It’s not always rainbows and butterflies, its compromise that moves us along.” It means we may fight from time to time, but that’s how we communicate. That’s how we convey what we want and want we feel. Compromising is what they do afterwards to end the fights.

Naruto then said she was lying to herself. I think I have another reason why he said this. It goes along with how Naruto still thinks Sakura loves Sasuke. The walls of his own insecurities are what push Sakura away. Sakura fought back with him claiming that he doesn’t understand. He doesn’t realize. I wonder is this here more or less saying “If you don’t come out of your shell and admit what you feel, then you are going to miss out on the things that make you happy.” Sakura even asked Naruto “If you don’t like me, then tell me.” Paraphrase of course and I realized Naruto didn’t answer this with a straight answer. If he didn’t love her, why not just tell her there? Boom, Over, Done, but he didn’t. Instead he tells her about Sasuke and that he understands him; hiding behind the wall. Naruto doesn’t disagree with Sasuke does he? Not really. More like he understands why he did it.

Sasuke is both the thing that ties Naruto and Sakura together and keeps them apart; Sakura with her emotions about Sasuke and Naruto with his feelings on Sasuke. Sakura is trying to come to terms with her own conflictions, but overall she rather stay with Naruto. Even in her last thought “No matter what, we will be together.” She is pushing Naruto to open his shell and to tear down the walls to see the truth of it. Hinata just cannot do this. She cannot get to Naruto because she has no clue how to reach Naruto on that level. Sakura can. This is why Sakura is going to be the heroine. She is not saving Naruto from Sasuke or Obito. She is going to save Naruto from himself. With that being said, I strongly believe that Naruto is more insecure than Sakura is. Naruto doesn’t believe he can win in the end and is not strong enough to do so.
The mere idea of this has caused me to see this manga in a different way or at least have one more view of it. We like to see this manga from a different angle. Then try this one. At least for fun, try it.
Now there is one last topic I wish to convey and I feel it needs to be elaborated on. That is “MinatoxKushina = NarutoxSakura.”
The parallels are there, but there are a few things that make them different. I first want to talk about Naruto to this. Naruto is said to have his father’s look, but his mother’s personality. Kushina was insecure about herself and she also built up walls. Minato broke them down. One thing that differs is that while Naruto and Kushina both was host, Kushina did not have the horrible life Naruto had growing up. Sure, they picked on Kushina, but she wasn’t hated by the adults as Naruto was and neglected. In fact, her flashbacks seem to tell a different story where she was well liked when she grew up. No one knew she was the host and it made it a lot easier for her to fit in. Naruto on the other hand it was a different story.

Minato, if the flashbacks are anything to go by, wasn’t picked on or hated either. So again, they had an easier childhood to deal with because they were not seen as true outcasts. I know someone will argue about this with Kushina, but children picking on each other are something that happens to everyone. It has happened to me, but I was not an outcast. I also don’t recall Minato having other crushes after him, but that is not to say he didn’t have any. Imagine if Kishi did a true Minato Gaiden and there is a Hinat like character that had a crush on Minato? (I smell fanfiction.)
Fast forward to Naruto and Sakura and their childhoods were different. Naruto was seen as an outcast and Sakura was picked on for her forehead. (However, the outcast stuff seems to only build the walls, not affect why Naruto and Sakura are not together.) Unlike Kushina, Sakura had a crush on someone else, but they did see the Naruto/Minato the same way: as a goof ball. Minato proved he cared about her by complimenting on her hair and saving her, that’s when she first had feelings for him. Naruto has saved Sakura many times and has complimented on Sakura’s forehead. The difference is Naruto was posed as Sasuke.
Funny how the one thing that keeps Naruto and Sakura a part is Sasuke: an element that MinatoxKushina did not have to face as far as it has been told. This major difference is the reason why it has not been as easy for NaruSaku to happen as it was MinatoxKushina. So what needs to happen is that Sasuke needs to be dealt with.

This is another reason why NaruSaku is canon in my eyes. If Sasuke never existed, NaruSaku would have been canon a long time ago. Just think about this. How easy would it have been for Sakura to notice Naruto if Sasuke never existed? Sasuke is a rival bear in mind and rivals are not just in rivals of power and accomplishments. Sometimes they could be rivals in love. We also know that Sasuke was put in because one of Kishi’s editors suggested it. So he was not part of the original plan and Hinata was just a village girl. So, why the changes? It makes the story more interesting.

That’s all. Sorry I don’t have anything to put down to be more inspiring, but this is me looking at the manga in a different view.

I was blindfolded, but now I'm seeing
My mind was closing, now I'm believing
I finally know just what it means to let someone in
To see the side of me that no one does or ever will
So if you're ever lost and find yourself all alone
I'd search forever just to bring you home,
Here and now this I vow.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 January 2013 - 01:40 PM.

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