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[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Imagine you are in a building with a lot of people. Suddenly, there is a huge explosion in that building. You're now surrounded by the corpses and severed pieces of the people who were just alive not ten seconds ago. You survived, but the building was a raging inferno, and you had to crawl to safety. You barely make it out, and you find out that you are the only survivor. Tell me, how many years of "growing up" would you need to get over that trauma? Would it be easy to just "let go?" How long would you be "stuck in the past?"

Also, what true meaning would be gained if he stayed in the village as a part of Team 7?

Exactly my point. Sasuke stayed in the past because of how tramatic his childhood was. Of course he would dwell on it for years on end. But there comes a point when Sasuke needs to look to the future.

Besides the fact the Naruto and Sakura would be happy for him to return, I'm positive that his time with Team Seven was the only time that Sasuke felt close to happy since the massacre. Now he's miserable(He's pretty much been miserable since he left the village). I'm positive that Sasuke still feels a bond to only Naruto and eventually if/when he turns good, he might want to stop being so lonely. I'm not saying it will happen. I'll be satisfied if he just becama a wandering ninja(A little sad but it's better than him dying). My ideal wish is for him to return. I know you think the opposite so let's just agree to disagree 'kay?

@DemonicxWings: Part 1 Sasuke had a lot of flaws but he genuinely cared about his teammates and even almost gave up revenge for him. That's the Sasuke I loved as a character and that's the Sasuke I miss. He just covered up his care with rudeness and indifference but it was still there. I like that type of character: Loves to cover up their feelings for others with out of pride or reluctance to show vulnerability but actually cares deep down. But saying that, some of his jerkish moments in Part One did annoy me so I was never one of his blind fangirls

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 17 July 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[Verilance]

Also, what true meaning would be gained if he stayed in the village as a part of Team 7?

I am sort of in the camp of a "Ronin" ending myself but to answer your question...

The same message Kishimoto has pushed since the beginning...

True Strength comes from the bonds we create and share (love) with others not from hatred

Edited by Verilance, 17 July 2012 - 11:36 PM.

[TheClover]

@DemonicxWings: Part 1 Sasuke had a lot of flaws but he genuinely cared about his teammates and even almost gave up revenge for him. That's the Sasuke I loved as a character and that's the Sasuke I miss. He just covered up his care with rudeness and indifference but it was still there. I like that type of character: Loves to cover up their feelings for others with out of pride or reluctance to show vulnerability but actually cares deep down. But saying that, some of his jerkish moments in Part One did annoy me so I was never one of his blind fangirls

That's pretty much what I thought of him. Arrogant, rude...but still caring. And that kinda character is a tsundere. There were moments where Sasuke was really a jerk, but there were times when he cared about his comrades deep down. Even now...he's all, "You can never understand me! I severed my bonds with you!" or "But I'm also your little brother, so no matter what you say, I won't stop," but you can tell he's starting to hesitate and question himself--especially now. Although that tsundere-ness is fading away. There's almost nothing left of it.

[Paptala]

I'm just going to say this about Sasuke: I can understand why he hates Konoha and what it represents to him in regards to his losses and his family. He's human, I get it, I'd probably hate them too. It's also understandable why he wouldn't --couldn't even-- just go back to live there as if none of that stuff ever happened. I get that he'd hate the elders and want to kill them for giving that order. I even can somewhat understand him attacking Naruto and Sakura, because they were willfully throwing themselves in his path knowing that he'd lost his kitten.

What I cannot condone, sympathize, understand, or tolerate from Sasuke is his "no one in the world could ever understand my pain!" and the fact that he wants to actually murder a bunch of innocent villagers just because they're ignorantly happy and he is not.

Sasuke is not the only person to suffer such huge losses, betrayals, or deceits. Kakashi lost all of his precious people. Gaara was hated by everyone in the village, the one person he thought cared about him tried to kill him and told him he was a monster, Naruto was hated by everyone until Iruka, was betrayed and almost murdered by Sasuke (whom he considered a brother), and found out that his mom was practically kidnapped and forced to become a jinchurikki without her consent. Tsunade watched her brother and her lover die, feeling as though it were her fault.

Honestly, all of those people moved past their pain with just a little bit of kindness from others. Sasuke spit on the kindness offered repeatedly to him, and instead chose to indulge some childish tantrum by blaming other people and not even trying to consider anymore that he is far from the only one who is hurting. In the narutoverse, Sasuke's pain is not uncommon.

Edited by Paptala, 18 July 2012 - 03:11 AM.

[dfammer]

People are never more honest than in their times of greatest desperation. Only in dire situations like that are you going to see a person's completely unadulterated nature. When you see someone confess their love in desperation, when you see them fawn over someone in desperate love, it sets a flagstone for how you perceive their intentions and the rest of their personality. It's said that first impressions are important, and they are. Because based on how someone sees you for the first time can easily color how they will see you forever. And when the first thing they saw is her attitude in the first and her unwarranted adoration of Sasuke, that marked her in the eyes of many.

Well you anyway.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Paptala: I agree 100%. Sure I sympathize with him a little but he's acting like a selfish little child. People have tried to reach out to him but he just decides to brush it off or spit venom at him about his "pain". Honestly, it's gets annoying when he constantly whines over how hard his life is when he's really the one making it harder for him. He doesn't have to be alone yet he choses to wallow in his own misery. It's just 'Really?'. Honestly, I'm surprised Naruto is able to not give up on him after everything that's happened. But he's idealistic and never gives up so what can you do.


I can understand why he hates Konoha. I can even understand why he would never want to return. But murdering innocents who know nothing of the truth of the Uchiha massacre(who are apparently 'guilty' in his eyes) is just pushing it too far. But Sasuke, for someone who often appears indifferent, is very emotional. He's not thinking logically. Just pure anger and loneliness are what guided him. To me, Sasuke doesn't want to destroy the Leaf anymore to avenge the Uchiha Clan. Not even Itachi(If that were the case, he'd be listening to his older brother). It just his own selfish desire for others to feel the same pain he's going through and punish others for being happy when he isn't.


Sasuke's train of thought is/was ridiculous. And that's all I have to say on that.

To change the topic, I heard a SasuSaku fan tell me that you can't compare MinaKushi and NaruSaku because Naruto was only kidding about liking Saskura's forehead. I have never heard anyone say that before and am shocked she was even trying to claim that.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 18 July 2012 - 03:35 AM.

[PachucoDesigns]

Exactly my point. Sasuke stayed in the past because of how tramatic his childhood was. Of course he would dwell on it for years on end. But there comes a point when Sasuke needs to look to the future.

Besides the fact the Naruto and Sakura would be happy for him to return, I'm positive that his time with Team Seven was the only time that Sasuke felt close to happy since the massacre. Now he's miserable(He's pretty much been miserable since he left the village). I'm positive that Sasuke still feels a bond to only Naruto and eventually if/when he turns good, he might want to stop being so lonely. I'm not saying it will happen. I'll be satisfied if he just becama a wandering ninja(A little sad but it's better than him dying). My ideal wish is for him to return. I know you think the opposite so let's just agree to disagree 'kay?

This is what I don't understand. First of all, I find it selfish that people only want him to return because it will make Naruto and Sakura happy, giving no real thought to Sasuke's happiness one way or the other. In fact, that was the problem with Naruto and Sakura all along, chasing him with the intent to bring him back regardless of what he wanted, as though they somehow thought that would fix everything. "I will bring you back even if I have to break your arms and legs, because you are my friend." Really? Does he really think Sasuke will forgive him for that, they they will be friends after it? I seriously doubt it. By bringing someone home who doesn't want to come home, you aren't saving them. You are imprisoning them to spare yourself the heartache.

Second, people like to insist that he was "good," and that he was "happy." When? The only goal that has ever been on his mind is to become stronger so that he can one day kill Itachi. And it was so strong that it drove him into a rage when he realized that Naruto had surpassed him. He was willing to kill Naruto to achieve that goal, whether he considered him a friend or not. He was never happy in the village. Because the longer he was in the village, the longer he would have to wait to kill Itachi. It was the only thought that was ever on his mind. He acted on his duty during missions, that was the extent of him being a "good guy." But you never saw him poor his heart out into moral struggle like Naruto did. It was not his character, and it still isn't.

That is exactly why I will be upset if he returns to the village. He has no personal reason to return to the village outside of his brother's wishes, and he has a myriad of reasons not to return. Returning to the village will be to abandon any aspiration he ever had for himself, and to act solely on what people around him want of him.

Well you anyway.

Either address what I'm saying, or close your mouth. Your snark is wasted. You don't care about what I have to say, you simply don't like me. And I don't care if you like me or not. So, save it. I don't want to hear it.

[kidNinja]

@Paptala: I agree 100%. Sure I sympathize with him a little but he's acting like a selfish little child. People have tried to reach out to him but he just decides to brush it off or spit venom at him about his "pain". Honestly, it's gets annoying when he constantly whines over how hard his life is when he's really the one making it harder for him. He doesn't have to be alone yet he choses to wallow in his own misery. It's just 'Really?'. Honestly, I'm surprised Naruto is able to not give up on him after everything that's happened. But he's idealistic and never gives up so what can you do.


I can understand why he hates Konoha. I can even understand why he would never want to return. But murdering innocents who know nothing of the truth of the Uchiha massacre(who are apparently 'guilty' in his eyes) is just pushing it too far. But Sasuke, for someone who often appears indifferent, is very emotional. He's not thinking logically. Just pure anger and loneliness are what guided him. To me, Sasuke doesn't want to destroy the Leaf anymore to avenge the Uchiha Clan. Not even Itachi(If that were the case, he'd be listening to his older brother). It just his own selfish desire for others to feel the same pain he's going through and punish others for being happy when he isn't.


Sasuke's train of thought is/was ridiculous. And that's all I have to say on that.

To change the topic, I heard a SasuSaku fan tell me that you can't compare MinaKushi and NaruSaku because Naruto was only kidding about liking Saskura's forehead. I have never heard anyone say that before and am shocked she was even trying to claim that.

People seriously say anything these days. You could tell her, if he was kidding, he wouldn't have said "That's something Naruto would say." >_>

[Codus N]

Honestly, all of those people moved past their pain with just a little bit of kindness from others. Sasuke spit on the kindness offered repeatedly to him, and instead chose to indulge some childish tantrum by blaming other people and not even trying to consider anymore that he is far from the only one who is hurting. In the narutoverse, Sasuke's pain is not uncommon.

Exactly. But at least, we can appreciate that he's finally realized how immature he is in regards to this, which is why he wants to grow up. I think he's starting to move on from the past and choose his own path. Whether that will be a path of evil, or good we won't know. I think a theory I posted a while back is likely becoming true now that Sasuke is starting to change.

Basically, Sasuke is going to hijack Tobi's Moon's Eye Plan, which will lead to the final clash between him and Naruto.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

People seriously say anything these days. You could tell her, if he was kidding, he wouldn't have said "That's something Naruto would say." >_>

True. I brought that up but she argued that if Naruto really meant it, then he would have brought it up more.

[Branden]

So kind of off-topic here.

If the Uchiha and the Senju made the leaf village, why is Senju dna so hard to get? Shouldn't half of everyone in Konoha be a Senju?

[Dalton.T.R]

@Paptala: I agree 100%. Sure I sympathize with him a little but he's acting like a selfish little child. People have tried to reach out to him but he just decides to brush it off or spit venom at him about his "pain". Honestly, it's gets annoying when he constantly whines over how hard his life is when he's really the one making it harder for him. He doesn't have to be alone yet he choses to wallow in his own misery. It's just 'Really?'. Honestly, I'm surprised Naruto is able to not give up on him after everything that's happened. But he's idealistic and never gives up so what can you do.


I can understand why he hates Konoha. I can even understand why he would never want to return. But murdering innocents who know nothing of the truth of the Uchiha massacre(who are apparently 'guilty' in his eyes) is just pushing it too far. But Sasuke, for someone who often appears indifferent, is very emotional. He's not thinking logically. Just pure anger and loneliness are what guided him. To me, Sasuke doesn't want to destroy the Leaf anymore to avenge the Uchiha Clan. Not even Itachi(If that were the case, he'd be listening to his older brother). It just his own selfish desire for others to feel the same pain he's going through and punish others for being happy when he isn't.


Sasuke's train of thought is/was ridiculous. And that's all I have to say on that.

To change the topic, I heard a SasuSaku fan tell me that you can't compare MinaKushi and NaruSaku because Naruto was only kidding about liking Saskura's forehead. I have never heard anyone say that before and am shocked she was even trying to claim that.

Just ignore them. You have to realise these fan will pull just about anything out of their ass to make their couple seem cannon. I don't know what more Kisgi has to do to make it clear it's gonna be NaruSaku in the end.

Sakura went from hating to loving Naruto, they have tons of development and screen time, Kishi is in the making of a NARSAKU movie, and I've heard he was actually on sight of the OVA. NS may as well be confirmed.

[Strangelove]

Just ignore them. You have to realise these fan will pull just about anything out of their ass to make their couple seem cannon. I don't know what more Kisgi has to do to make it clear it's gonna be NaruSaku in the end.

Sakura went from hating to loving Naruto, they have tons of development and screen time, Kishi is in the making of a NARSAKU movie, and I've heard he was actually on sight of the OVA. NS may as well be confirmed.

I think I get what Kishi is trying to do. Considering that NH and SS are so popular, he is trying to give a boost to NS to increase its popularity, in hopes that by the end of the manga, it would be popular enough to ride out the damage of angry fans.

[Branden]

Let's just face it, if your smart and think about things you'll know NS has a greater chance then any other pairing. If your just a casual fan who watched the anime once a week along other programs then you probobly aren't going to be thinking about the series as a whole or the future of the series, your just going to think "naruhina is cute OMG fanart fanart fanart". So really, the way to solve this problem is to have Sakura resolve her feelings, and for Hinata to take action for herself, not for Naruto. Once that happens I think even naruhina and sasusaku fans will understand.


Unforunetly I constantly hear from almost every single sasusaku/naruhina fan that Sakura ONLY loves Sasuke and that Naruto will NEVER be with anyone but Hinata. Honestly it baffles me how so many people think like this. I would understand small groups of people like this, but at this point I'm beginning to think the extremely vast majority of naruhina fans think this way.

[Transformers03]

Let's just face it, if your smart and think about things you'll know NS has a greater chance then any other pairing. If your just a casual fan who watched the anime once a week along other programs then you probobly aren't going to be thinking about the series as a whole or the future of the series, your just going to think "naruhina is cute OMG fanart fanart fanart". So really, the way to solve this problem is to have Sakura resolve her feelings, and for Hinata to take action for herself, not for Naruto. Once that happens I think even naruhina and sasusaku fans will understand.


Unforunetly I constantly hear from almost every single sasusaku/naruhina fan that Sakura ONLY loves Sasuke and that Naruto will NEVER be with anyone but Hinata. Honestly it baffles me how so many people think like this. I would understand small groups of people like this, but at this point I'm beginning to think the extremely vast majority of naruhina fans think this way.

I feel the same way. I never understood Naruhina fans' logic.

[FoolishYoungling]

I feel the same way. I never understood Naruhina fans' logic.

NaruHina logic: there are 3 ducks. One duck goes to the left, two go to the right. There are now 2 ducks on the left, and one on the right.

Did that help you understand NaruHina fan logic?

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

NH logics are that they don't like Sakura because she was a b**** to Naruto in part 1 and Hinata has a crush On Naruto. Simple as that.

[Transformers03]

NH logics are that they don't like Sakura because she was a b**** to Naruto in part 1 and Hinata has a crush On Naruto. Simple as that.

Then this logic should work for them too: Naruto has a crush on Sakura, and he is f@&king main character. Simple as that.

[Fenris]

Well, whatever their logic is, it's what they believe and whether it makes sense to us or not, it doesn't matter.

I think the real point is, that how could Sakura resist this?

Unforunetly I constantly hear from almost every single sasusaku/naruhina fan that Sakura ONLY loves Sasuke and that Naruto will NEVER be with anyone but Hinata.

About Sakura, it is possible for someone to like/love two people at once ... I know I'm kicking a dead horse here by saying that, but the manga/everything else has kind of proven otherwise until recently with the latest ''nh'' stuff, but even then if delved into properly, you can see the NS behind it, and the uncomfortable faces of the two.

[CloudMountainJuror]

About Sakura, it is possible for someone to like/love two people at once ... I know I'm kicking a dead horse here by saying that, but the manga/everything else has kind of proven otherwise until recently with the latest ''nh'' stuff, but even then if delved into properly, you can see the NS behind it, and the uncomfortable faces of the two.

This is true. While I don't believe that Sakura has ever really loved Sasuke, it's totally possible for her to be into both Naruto and him at the same time.