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#25701 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:11 PM

Minato flying thunder god is a rip off from goku teleportation. Kind a like rasengan is genki dama.

The rasengan is more a rip off of general ki blast or the kamehameha wave, the rasenshuriken is the kienzan, and the biju ball is either the genki dama and/or a cero.

 

Chidori/LightingBlade is based off a Japanese folktale about a famed Samurai during the Sengoku jidai that was so skilled that he was able to cut a bolt of lighting in half with his sword. The blade at the time was call chidori before becoming raikari afterwards.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:24 PM

The rasengan is more a rip off of general ki blast or the kamehameha wave, the rasenshuriken is the kienzan, and the biju ball is either the genki dama and/or a cero.
 
Chidori/LightingBlade is based off a Japanese folktale about a famed Samurai during the Sengoku jidai that was so skilled that he was able to cut a bolt of lighting in half with his sword. The blade at the time was call chidori before becoming raikari afterwards.

Well, I agree in term of signature attack it's like kamehameha. But the reason why I compare it with genki dama is both of them are ball of energy. Bijuu dama is genki dama or if you want to put monster context, it's a kaiju breath.

I will say that chidori is kurapika hearth snatch with electricity. Oh and kazekage thunder armor is pretty much that kurapika "lighting speed".

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:03 AM

Naruto should learn fuuinjutsu first before that. He's an uzumaki afterall.

Isn't Fuinjutsu what makes FTG work? That is probably why he never learned how to do it because he ignored Fuinjutsu from start to finish. It's honestly pitiful how few techniques Naruto has. Before the war arc he didn't even have any jutsu that he, or a Kyuubi arm, didn't need to be in melee range to use.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:20 AM

@rocci

I'm not joking (i don't like stupid joke) , i don't care you disagree or agree , and i'm not saying everyone should stop. It's my opinion , you want to compare them.. go ahead.

All i said is , it's just sad comparing Final Fantasy with Naruto.

 

 

I would argue that this is more iconic


I mostly say this because Squall and Rinoa actually become a couple while I think many of the lover interest in FFVII are more ambiguous and I am not really sure whom really loves whom here.
Is Cloud in love with Tifa or Aeris?
Is Aeris in love with Cloud or Zack?
Plus does Aeris dying change all that?

Nothing really became concrete in the story of FFVII even if some fans want to believe something is concrete. Don't get me wrong, there are heavy hints, but with Aeris dying and Aeris thinking about Zack and Cloud being a combination of himself and Zack...it is hard to really say what is what. I could say that Aeris was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack and the like and what not.

The pairing wars in FFVII still go strong to this day and probably the only pairing wars that was bigger than the Naruto pairing wars. I feel that perhaps they are both correct. Cloud was in love with Aeris, but after she died he moved forward to Tifa. He will always feel bad about Aeris dying, but he can't live his life in angony and Aeris wouldn't want him to. I know this feeling all too well. I had a love and lost her and even though I still love her that does not mean I cannot love another.

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Yeah , i said FF7 is the best because majority seems to say that a lot , out of all FF only FF7 got a complete remake and it got a movie advent children (i think they should remake from FF1). I don't really like FF7 , maybe because i haven't play it. I personally like FFIX i think Garnet and Zidane is cute and no love triangle drama kappa (poor Eiko :lmao: ), i'm ashamed of myself because i'm a graphic kitten , i want to try the older FF game but their graphic is way outdated and turn me off.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:22 AM

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Square Enix (formerly Squaresoft) make their games with passion and love , that's how they able to make legend with Final Fantasy series and most memorable one is FF7. Comparing them with Studio Pierrot , Kishi , suesha .... with Naruto ???? .... it's already a big insult to Square Enix , a company that abandon all things for money and popularity ..... that's a blasphemy , a sin.

  
Final Fantasy 6 is the best final Fantasy ever and I'm barely that far into it but it's so damn good, and it has a good couple Locke and celes.

I would argue that this is more iconic

I mostly say this because Squall and Rinoa actually become a couple while I think many of the lover interest in FFVII are more ambiguous and I am not really sure whom really loves whom here.
Is Cloud in love with Tifa or Aeris?
Is Aeris in love with Cloud or Zack?
Plus does Aeris dying change all that?
Nothing really became concrete in the story of FFVII even if some fans want to believe something is concrete. Don't get me wrong, there are heavy hints, but with Aeris dying and Aeris thinking about Zack and Cloud being a combination of himself and Zack...it is hard to really say what is what. I could say that Aeris was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack and the like and what not.
The pairing wars in FFVII still go strong to this day and probably the only pairing wars that was bigger than the Naruto pairing wars. I feel that perhaps they are both correct. Cloud was in love with Aeris, but after she died he moved forward to Tifa. He will always feel bad about Aeris dying, but he can't live his life in angony and Aeris wouldn't want him to. I know this feeling all too well. I had a love and lost her and even though I still love her that does not mean I cannot love another.
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Cloud has tifa and aerith has Zack and crisis core was Bascially a aerith and Zack game and story.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:26 AM

@rocci
I'm not joking (i don't like stupid joke) , i don't care you disagree or agree , and i'm not saying everyone should stop. It's my opinion , you want to compare them.. go ahead.
All i said is , it's just sad comparing Final Fantasy with Naruto.
 

Yeah , i said FF7 is the best because majority seems to say that a lot , out of all FF only FF7 got a complete remake and it got a movie advent children (i think they should remake from FF1). I don't really like FF7 , maybe because i haven't play it. I personally like FFIX i think Garnet and Zidane is cute and no love triangle drama kappa (poor Eiko :lmao: ), i'm ashamed of myself because i'm a graphic kitten , i want to try the older FF game but their graphic is way outdated and turn me off.

6 is great no love triangle, 4 had a love triangle but it was clear Rosa wanted Cecil and Kain Understood that, 9 was great with Zidane and garnet. How about remaking 2 with a new level system cause that level system was kitten, and need a remake of 5 and 6 like the day remake of 4.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:39 AM

I think 9's the best. Good story, pacing doesn't drag, likable characters, love how characters learn skills like in FFTA but still have their own designated role in combat. Haven't played it in years though so maybe I should get it off the PSN sometime.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:50 AM

6 is great no love triangle, 4 had a love triangle but it was clear Rosa wanted Cecil and Kain Understood that, 9 was great with Zidane and garnet. How about remaking 2 with a new level system cause that level system was kitten, and need a remake of 5 and 6 like the day remake of 4.

I despise love triangle , because one of them definitely gonna get hurt (or worse dead), i mean the name of the world itself is Final Fantasy , IN MY OPINION everyone should get happy ending , it's should be the world where at least everyone get their happy ending. I like Zidane hes full of joke , and i like Garnet seriousness because she has world in her shoulder she looks frail but has a strong mind , the best moment is when she fake her name the idea of her fake name came from Zidane's weapon , when shes unconscious and Zidane have to carry her out from the castle , and when she cut her hair with Zidane's dagger that's the moment she finally realize her true goal and purpose she finally grow up , and on top of all the last cinematic my god that's just LOVELY.

 

And yeah WHY only FF7 got remake and a movie ?? because i think FF7 is the MOST popular in the world people like the love triangle between Cloud , Aerith , and Tifa. I for one don't think that's fair , they should start remake from 1 , but i'm sure they gonna remake 1-6 in time anyway.

 

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YOU SHOULD , i think it's one of the best (if not the best). Back in PS1 FFIX have 4 disc , good long hour campaign , open world , exploration. Man i still can't obtain Excalibur for Steiner , that is insanely hard.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:02 AM

i used to compare lion king and rudoplh to naruto. i was wrong in the end.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:57 AM

Isn't Fuinjutsu what makes FTG work? That is probably why he never learned how to do it because he ignored Fuinjutsu from start to finish. It's honestly pitiful how few techniques Naruto has. Before the war arc he didn't even have any jutsu that he, or a Kyuubi arm, didn't need to be in melee range to use.


No, ftg is reverse summoning jutsu. It has seal but it's not a sealing technique.


The consensus of ff fandom said that ff6 is the best ff. my favorite ff is ff9.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:41 AM

No, ftg is reverse summoning jutsu. It has seal but it's not a sealing technique.


The consensus of ff fandom said that ff6 is the best ff. my favorite ff is ff9.

 

It's always up in the air what fans say the best Final Fantasy game is.

 

And you beat me to it with the Flying Raijin. Basically a reverse Summoning Jutsu.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:44 AM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:11 AM

Minato flying thunder god is a rip off from goku teleportation. Kind a like rasengan is genki dama.

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Goku teleportation is op. It's much more powerful than minato because you don't need tool and there's no limit of range.
Naruto should learn fuuinjutsu first before that. He's an uzumaki afterall.

No, Goku's instant transmission and Minato's Hiraishin are actually pretty much the same.

They both require an anchor point.
For Minato it requires a seal. For Goku it requires a ki signature. If there is no seal, Minato can't go there. If Goku can't sense a ki point, he can't teleport to it.

They are both instant

Minato and Goku both go to the point they teleport to instantly
 

They both have infinite range...theoretically.

While Minato can only teleport to places that have a seal....the distance limitation that seal has to be is not specificed nor given. So I assume that as long as a seal exists he can teleport to it. Sure, we haven't seen him teleport to other planets, but I am sure that if another planet had one of his seals on it he could teleport there no problem. If you have a source that says otherwise and gives a range limit, please show me and I will correct my statement.

Goku's teleportation also has no range within itself, but he can't just teleport to where ever he wants to. He has to lock on to a target with Ki energy and then go there. It also has to be an object of significant Ki energy and not say a "rock" or "tree." Goku also has a range limit to what he can detect. If he can't detect it, he is not going anywhere. Remember when he required King Kai to detect the New Planet Namek? He couldn't detect the Namekians to go and get Dende to make a new dragon. However, because King Kai does have pratically limitless reach in the universe in detection...this is how he subverted that.

There are differences:
Minato can teleport any one and any thing at any time. This includes even jutsu's thrown at him. The only limit here is how much chakra Minato has. The bigger the object the more chakra is needed to send it. However, he seems to be able to use as minimal chakra as possible to send it. He can send an object through teleportation and not himself with it. He also doesn't technically need to touch an object to teleport to it as long as the object as a seal or is connected with Minato with chakra like how he teleported the entire Shinbi alliance with just Naruto's chakra as a connector no matter where they are. I also don't think his ability requires concentration seeing how he can use it rather easily in even high intense situations. I have never seen a moment where Minato failed to teleport or couldn't due to lack of concentration. He can move faster and teleport faster than Obito who is using a similar space-time technique.

Goku can only teleport things that are physically touching him because he is basically the vehicle that transport it so he goes with what is touching him. He cannot teleport ki blasts or energy with him unlike Minato's ability. He can teleport pratically infinite mass, but that mass requires them touching him and or connected to him like how the people of a civilization has to physically hold hands with him into order to teleport with him. Another issue with the IT is that it requires concentration to use....if Goku cannot concentrate he can't use it. This is evident when Goku tried to use it to escape a Buu blast and he failed saying "It's not good, I can't concentrate." It is also hard for Goku to use this ability in combat situations all the while Minato uses his technique in most of his abilities since it is his signature technique and can be used go in short bursts in small distances in faster time than Goku can use his IT.

So is Goku's IT OP? Meh...not really. Minato's is a lot more versitile in every aspect that matters and it can be used much faster and much easier than the IT. Sure, we haven't seen Minato teleport to other planets, but that doesn't mean he can't do it. As long as there is a seal, he can go there.

Overall I think Minato's is a lot more OP than Goku's because while Minato's does have some limitations, those limits are minute. Minato can even tag people with his seal and it will never come off unless he wanted it to. So, I got to give it to Minato. Going to other planets is nice, but other than transportation, you can't really use the IT as effectively in combat like the FTG can.

 

I despise love triangle , because one of them definitely gonna get hurt (or worse dead), i mean the name of the world itself is Final Fantasy , IN MY OPINION everyone should get happy ending , it's should be the world where at least everyone get their happy ending. I like Zidane hes full of joke , and i like Garnet seriousness because she has world in her shoulder she looks frail but has a strong mind , the best moment is when she fake her name the idea of her fake name came from Zidane's weapon , when shes unconscious and Zidane have to carry her out from the castle , and when she cut her hair with Zidane's dagger that's the moment she finally realize her true goal and purpose she finally grow up , and on top of all the last cinematic my god that's just LOVELY.

 

And yeah WHY only FF7 got remake and a movie ?? because i think FF7 is the MOST popular in the world people like the love triangle between Cloud , Aerith , and Tifa. I for one don't think that's fair , they should start remake from 1 , but i'm sure they gonna remake 1-6 in time anyway.

 

This post reminded me of a funny joke I did in FF9.

There is a scene where Garnet is traveling with the group and wants to pick a name for herself. She picks up a dagger and asks Zidane what it is called. (She is sheltered.) Zidane says "A dagger." Now, canon-wise Garnet changes her name to Dagger, but since you can change it to anything you want....I always rewrote "Garnet." So you get this funny line as: "Okay, from now on I am no longer Garnet. My new name is Garnet."

lmao. It makes me laugh every time.



 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:13 AM

 

I would argue that this is more iconic


I mostly say this because Squall and Rinoa actually become a couple while I think many of the lover interest in FFVII are more ambiguous and I am not really sure whom really loves whom here.
Is Cloud in love with Tifa or Aeris?
Is Aeris in love with Cloud or Zack?
Plus does Aeris dying change all that?

Nothing really became concrete in the story of FFVII even if some fans want to believe something is concrete. Don't get me wrong, there are heavy hints, but with Aeris dying and Aeris thinking about Zack and Cloud being a combination of himself and Zack...it is hard to really say what is what. I could say that Aeris was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack and the like and what not.

The pairing wars in FFVII still go strong to this day and probably the only pairing wars that was bigger than the Naruto pairing wars. I feel that perhaps they are both correct. Cloud was in love with Aeris, but after she died he moved forward to Tifa. He will always feel bad about Aeris dying, but he can't live his life in angony and Aeris wouldn't want him to. I know this feeling all too well. I had a love and lost her and even though I still love her that does not mean I cannot love another.

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And you have the ending to FFVII: Advent Children having Cloud finally being able to forgive himself and move on.

 

I was never sure why Naruto was never taught that technique...I mean, sure speed is speed, but nothing will ever be faster than Instant teleporting. Especially when this kind of teleporting is even more effective than even Goku's instant transmission.

 

 

Isn't Fuinjutsu what makes FTG work? That is probably why he never learned how to do it because he ignored Fuinjutsu from start to finish. It's honestly pitiful how few techniques Naruto has. Before the war arc he didn't even have any jutsu that he, or a Kyuubi arm, didn't need to be in melee range to use.

Yeah, it's due to it involving highly advanced and complex Fuinjutsu; something that someone like Naruto would probably never have the patience to learn.

Naruto had such a limited arsenal throughout the entire story and it worried me a lot at the start of part two that he barely seemed to have improved all that much outside of a failed attempt at using more of Kurama's chakra. Probably why Naruto was so easily handed power-ups and/or why opponents like Kakuzu and Pein were hit so hard with the "moment of stupidity" hammer.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:20 AM

Yeah, it's due to it involving highly advanced and complex Fuinjutsu; something that someone like Naruto would probably never have the patience to learn.

Well, why not? Wouldn't it be a great character development if he managed to become patient with techniques. And even so, he has the clones doesn't he? If he can learn to use his elemental attacks in less time by using clones then this kind of defeats the purpose of patients. What takes someone else years takes him days. Naurto may be impatient, but he is always up for a good challenge and since he would have a never give up attitude...well....patience is just a word now.

Just keep enticing him:

"Oh well, I guess Naruto is weak since he can't do this"

Naruto: "Says you, I bet you I can learn this technique in a week or less"

Me: "Okay, I'll take that bet. If you managed to learn and use the technique in less than a week. I'll buy you ramen. All you can eat."

Naruto: "Now THAT is a challenge. I am gonna win this one."

Boom, Naruto's learns it.....uses it in his arsenal. End of story.

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:25 AM

Could FTG be used to teleport everyone back into character?



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:50 AM

I despise love triangle , because one of them definitely gonna get hurt (or worse dead), i mean the name of the world itself is Final Fantasy , IN MY OPINION everyone should get happy ending , it's should be the world where at least everyone get their happy ending. I like Zidane hes full of joke , and i like Garnet seriousness because she has world in her shoulder she looks frail but has a strong mind , the best moment is when she fake her name the idea of her fake name came from Zidane's weapon , when shes unconscious and Zidane have to carry her out from the castle , and when she cut her hair with Zidane's dagger that's the moment she finally realize her true goal and purpose she finally grow up , and on top of all the last cinematic my god that's just LOVELY.
 
And yeah WHY only FF7 got remake and a movie ?? because i think FF7 is the MOST popular in the world people like the love triangle between Cloud , Aerith , and Tifa. I for one don't think that's fair , they should start remake from 1 , but i'm sure they gonna remake 1-6 in time anyway.
 
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YOU SHOULD , i think it's one of the best (if not the best). Back in PS1 FFIX have 4 disc , good long hour campaign , open world , exploration. Man i still can't obtain Excalibur for Steiner , that is insanely hard.

They already remade 3 and 4 for the ds, better long up some speed running tactics for ff9.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:08 PM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:58 PM

Could FTG be used to teleport everyone back into character?

 

Lol. :lol:


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:01 PM

Could FTG be used to teleport everyone back into character?

I wish.


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