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[Pix]

It hasn't nearly been dragged out like the entirety of the Naruto war arc. Things in bleach are moving foward albeit slowly, but they're still moving forward. They're not getting interrupted by pointless flashbacks that have been rehashed millions of times, and it's bound to be slower with the exposure to side characters. At least Kubo is giving his side characters justice, something Kishi failed miserably at in the war arc. Comparing Bleach to Naruto is a vast exaggeration. I'm not saying bleach is a ten, either. Id probably give it a seven right now.

Just because Rukia isn't there now doesn't mean she won't be. There was that point early on in the arc where she was in the hospital that Ichigo was really worried and everything. Also, there was foreshadowing that Ichigo might not even return to the living world when this is over, and if that happens, there is no Ichihime. I think it's still pretty 50-50 at this point.

Nah it is being dragged all the way out. Like the part with Ukitake and how he possessed the soul king's other half or whatever and that was completely futile. The pacing of that entire part was just off. That could have been explained way earlier in the series to make it not seem so out of place. I'm guessing that was introduced so when Ichigo defeats Ywach it will be the next soul king? I don't know. But there's a lot of random pieces being thrown in this story right now, and it's getting to the ppint where Bleach is too hard to understand. And also, like I've said, every fight has been the same. Good guy is in the lead at first, but then Ywach and friends find a way to overcome it and then fight becomes meaningless. It's been like this for a good 30-40 chapters now. Dragged.

[RyohkiFan]

I like UlquiHime, I felt it had potential for development if he hadn't died but to bring him back just for Orihime is not what I want to see since its the last arc, why do anything about it now? I am just waiting for Bleach to end

[AHK]

There's not even a confirmed crush between Ichigo and Rukia, Kubo himself said their bond wasn't romance. Also Rukia knows about Orihime's feelings for Ichigo and seems more like she'd support it rather than come between them. She also has more potential with Renji since they're both dead and are best friends. IchiHime may not become canon but it doesn't automatically mean ichiruki will.

  
He said that years and years ago, but that doesn't mean that can't change. So because someone else likes Ichigo, Rukia can't as well? There's been nothing to show that Rukia loves Renji. As for the being dead thing, as I said, it was heavily foreshadowed that Ichigo won't be returning to the living world anyway. I never said that Ichiruki would automatically become canon. I said it was 50-50, and part of that reason is that Ichigo hasn't shown any romantic attraction to Orihime anymore than he has Rukia.

Edit: just found out that he actually said that their relationship was equivalent to less than lovers than more than friends, not that it wasn't romantic.

Nah it is being dragged all the way out. Like the part with Ukitake and how he possessed the soul king's other half or whatever and that was completely futile. The pacing of that entire part was just off. That could have been explained way earlier in the series to make it not seem so out of place. I'm guessing that was introduced so when Ichigo defeats Ywach it will be the next soul king? I don't know. But there's a lot of random pieces being thrown in this story right now, and it's getting to the ppint where Bleach is too hard to understand. And also, like I've said, every fight has been the same. Good guy is in the lead at first, but then Ywach and friends find a way to overcome it and then fight becomes meaningless. It's been like this for a good 30-40 chapters now. Dragged.

Apparently that helped Ywach absorb the Soul King, I'm not entirely sure, but it looks like the soul king might be the dudes father, but we'll have to wait on that. I highly doubt Ichigo will become the next soul king. It seems random right now because it hasn't been explained yet, Kubo likes to wait till close to the end before he explains anything. Every fight hasn't been the same, actually. It's not being dragged out as much as you make it to be.

Edited by AHK, 16 May 2015 - 09:40 PM.

[Aizen-Sama]

I like UlquiHime, I felt it had potential for development if he hadn't died but to bring him back just for Orihime is not what I want to see since its the last arc, why do anything about it now? I am just waiting for Bleach to end

 

I like UlquiHime too, I just don't see it as marriage material. xD

 

  
He said that years and years ago, but that doesn't mean that can't change. So because someone else likes Ichigo, Rukia can't as well? There's been nothing to show that Rukia loves Renji. As for the being dead thing, as I said, it was heavily foreshadowed that Ichigo won't be returning to the living world anyway. I never said that Ichiruki would automatically become canon. I said it was 50-50, and part of that reason is that Ichigo hasn't shown any romantic attraction to Orihime anymore than he has Rukia.

 

The manga is almost going to end and there's still no confirmed romantic feelings between Ichigo and Rukia.  If Kubo was going to make IchiRuki canon I would've thought he'd done it by now.  I'm not saying that because Orihime likes Ichigo, Rukia can't as well, but there's no hard evidence that either Rukia and Ichigo like eachother that way. 

Actually Ichigo has shown some strong attraction towards Orihime when he blushed over her new outfit. xD  It's not confirmed that he's in love with her but it's not confirmed that he's in love with Rukia either and Rukia is also not confirmed to be in love with him.  At least Orihime is, so I see the one-sided pairing as having more chance than the zero-sided pairing.

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 16 May 2015 - 09:42 PM.

[AHK]

I like UlquiHime too, I just don't see it as marriage material. xD
 

 
The manga is almost going to end and there's still no confirmed romantic feelings between Ichigo and Rukia.  If Kubo was going to make IchiRuki canon I would've thought he'd done it by now.  I'm not saying that because Orihime likes Ichigo, Rukia can't as well, but there's no hard evidence that either Rukia and Ichigo like eachother that way. 
Actually Ichigo has shown some strong attraction towards Orihime when he blushed over her new outfit. xD  It's not confirmed that he's in love with her but it's not confirmed that he's in love with Rukia either and Rukia is also not confirmed to be in love with him.  At least Orihime is, so I see the one-sided pairing as having more chance than the zero-sided pairing.

Since when do authors confirm end pairings early on? Him blushing over a revealing outfit is a sign of strong romantic attraction? Ichigo is a known prude, he had the same reaction to Yorouichi back in the soul society arc, as well as Rangiku before the Hueco Mundo arc, does he love them? Ichigo has shown signs of loving Rukia, and they're relationship is special, it's seemed to be a lot deeper than his relationship with Orihime.

He also drew an ichiruki honeymoon spread, for whatever that's worth.

[RyohkiFan]

 
I like UlquiHime too, I just don't see it as marriage material. xD
 
 
The manga is almost going to end and there's still no confirmed romantic feelings between Ichigo and Rukia.  If Kubo was going to make IchiRuki canon I would've thought he'd done it by now.  I'm not saying that because Orihime likes Ichigo, Rukia can't as well, but there's no hard evidence that either Rukia and Ichigo like eachother that way. 
Actually Ichigo has shown some strong attraction towards Orihime when he blushed over her new outfit. xD  It's not confirmed that he's in love with her but it's not confirmed that he's in love with Rukia either and Rukia is also not confirmed to be in love with him.  At least Orihime is, so I see the one-sided pairing as having more chance than the zero-sided pairing.

I don't care for pairings so I never took it that way xD I just UlquiHime but I don't care what happens

[FoolishYoungling]

Guys there is no need to discuss such pointless things like pairings in Bleach. It's pointless because IchiRuki is supreme and will make babies.

 

On other topics. Bleach is moving along so slowly. It was "about to end" like 2 or 3 years ago. Just get on with the final battle already. Ichigo will win with some sort of "you can read my moves but not stop it" attack that has been done a billion times already. Just hurry up with it!

[AHK]

Guys there is no need to discuss such pointless things like pairings in Bleach. It's pointless because IchiRuki is supreme and will make babies.
 
On other topics. Bleach is moving along so slowly. It was "about to end" like 2 or 3 years ago. Just get on with the final battle already. Ichigo will win with some sort of "you can read my moves but not stop it" attack that has been done a billion times already. Just hurry up with it!

Ha! Lmao!

Honestly, I'm interested to see what Ichigo can do, I think he'll be using both Quincy and hollow powers in his final fight. I really hope his bankai brings back his Vasto Lorde form, I really loved how that looked.

[Aizen-Sama]

Since when do authors confirm end pairings early on? Him blushing over a revealing outfit is a sign of strong romantic attraction? Ichigo is a known prude, he had the same reaction to Yorouichi back in the soul society arc, as well as Rangiku before the Hueco Mundo arc, does he love them? Ichigo has shown signs of loving Rukia, and they're relationship is special, it's seemed to be a lot deeper than his relationship with Orihime.

He also drew an ichiruki honeymoon spread, for whatever that's worth.

 

Ichigo loves Rukia as a friend, he's never shown signs of loving her romantically and neither has she.  Yes Ichigo blushed over Yoruichi, and Rangiku too, I wasn't saying that Ichigo loves Orihime because he blushed over her looks, only that he finds her attractive which is evidence that IchiHime may happen since Orihime reciprocates that attraction.  

Ichigo's bond with Rukia is more deep than his bond with Orihime?  That's not true and even if it was it's not proof that IchiRuki is romantic. Orihime and Rukia are both equally important to him in different ways   Ichigo has literally come back from the dead in response to Orihime's call and her support has helped him defeat Grimmjow, their bond is just as special.  He's also more protective over her.

Also Chad, Urahara, and Yoruichi have teased Ichigo and Orihime about eachother.

IchiRuki honeymoon spread?  If it's not in the manga it's not evidence.

 

Guys there is no need to discuss such pointless things like pairings in Bleach. It's pointless because IchiRuki is supreme and will make babies.

 

Not everyone thinks IchiRuki is supreme and I doubt they'll make babies.  Ichigo x Orihime and Renji x Rukia are much more appealing IMO and have more romantic evidence.

[AHK]

Ichigo loves Rukia as a friend, he's never shown signs of loving her romantically and neither has she.  Yes Ichigo blushed over Yoruichi, and Rangiku too, I wasn't saying that Ichigo loves Orihime because he blushed over her looks, only that he finds her attractive which is evidence that IchiHime may happen since Orihime reciprocates that attraction.  
Ichigo's bond with Rukia is more deep than his bond with Orihime?  That's not true and even if it was it's not proof that IchiRuki is romantic. Orihime and Rukia are both equally important to him in different ways   Ichigo has literally come back from the dead in response to Orihime's call and her support has helped him defeat Grimmjow, their bond is just as special.  He's also more protective over her.
Also Chad, Urahara, and Yoruichi have teased Ichigo and Orihime about eachother.
IchiRuki honeymoon spread?  If it's not in the manga it's not evidence.
 
Not everyone thinks IchiRuki is supreme and I doubt they'll make babies.  Ichigo x Orihime and Renji x Rukia are much more appealing IMO and have more romantic evidence.

How do you know he was attracted by it? He's a conservative character, like I said he was a prude. It's not evidence that he finds her attractive.

It is true though, Orihime even admitted herself when she was crying to Rangiku that their relationship is special (why would Orihime be jealous of a platonic relationship, if she didn't know Ichigo had feelings toward Rukia?). Whenever Ichigo is in a rut, the person that seeks him out, and the person that "makes his rain go away" (that's a theme in the story) is Rukia. Their relationship is a lot deeper than his relationship with Orihime thus far. He's not any more protective of Orihime than he is of Rukia. His return from death was a function of his hollow and the will to protect her (as he wants to protect everyone), that doesn't mean that he explicitly loves her. Also, Ichigo openly questions whether he can "keep up with the speed of the world" without Rukia in it.

They haven't teased Ichigo about Orihime, honestly, to me it's more like they've pressured him to even notice her. It's kinda...disturbing? off putting? to me. Is he not allowed to make his own choice? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.

Also Kubo said that he wanted people to focus on "the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia, and the change in their own feelings." I wasn't using the honeymoon spread as evidence btw, just throwing it out there. Honestly I don't mind either ship, I just think that Kubo leans IR.

[FoolishYoungling]

Not everyone thinks IchiRuki is supreme and I doubt they'll make babies.  Ichigo x Orihime and Renji x Rukia are much more appealing IMO and have more romantic evidence.

Just playing around about it not needing to be discussed.

 

Even if it was obvious it wouldn't just happen. Look at NaruSaku for example. Only thing challenging it was an abusive relationship and an undeveloped one with no connection beyond "she's a cool friend" for 699 chapters. In the end it didn't happen.

 

All I know is that extremely early on Rukia took like 10 seconds to answer the question of if her and Ichigo were together romantically. Obviously telling us that she has to have a least a little crush on him. Also the fact that the anime ended with Ichigo taking Rukia on a date is pretty obvious towards what they know of the direction Kubo is going to end up taking. The anime was reported recently that it has a good chance of coming back after the manga ends, but they weren't planning to come back when they made that ending for the anime. Rukia is also already considered like family in Ichigo's house.

 

You don't feel THIS way towards someone you'll not see for a little while

[rocci]

I really doubt there will be canon pairing in this manga, so I think it will be open ending.
But if somehow kubo make canon pairing, I think it's gonna be ichihime.
While rukia has big role in this manga, she doesn't has love arrow to ichigo and vice versa. You need love arrow to make it canon. Ofc ichiruki could use sudden attraction that lead to sudden canon like vegbul.

If rukia like/love ichigo, I will put her ahead of orihime in pairing, since rukia is the second important character.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Unless we get Bleach Gaiden!

[Nar123]

Unless we get Bleach Gaiden!

 

hahahahaha...no

 

 

I really doubt there will be canon pairing in this manga, so I think it will be open ending.
But if somehow kubo make canon pairing, I think it's gonna be ichihime.
While rukia has big role in this manga, she doesn't has love arrow to ichigo and vice versa. You need love arrow to make it canon. Ofc ichiruki could use sudden attraction that lead to sudden canon like vegbul.

If rukia like/love ichigo, I will put her ahead of orihime in pairing, since rukia is the second important character.

 

This is not really harem manga, a love arrow isn't really "needed". Anyway I think it will be open ending too

Edited by Nar123, 17 May 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

How do you know he was attracted by it? He's a conservative character, like I said he was a prude. It's not evidence that he finds her attractive.

It is true though, Orihime even admitted herself when she was crying to Rangiku that their relationship is special (why would Orihime be jealous of a platonic relationship, if she didn't know Ichigo had feelings toward Rukia?). Whenever Ichigo is in a rut, the person that seeks him out, and the person that "makes his rain go away" (that's a theme in the story) is Rukia. Their relationship is a lot deeper than his relationship with Orihime thus far. He's not any more protective of Orihime than he is of Rukia. His return from death was a function of his hollow and the will to protect her (as he wants to protect everyone), that doesn't mean that he explicitly loves her. Also, Ichigo openly questions whether he can "keep up with the speed of the world" without Rukia in it.

They haven't teased Ichigo about Orihime, honestly, to me it's more like they've pressured him to even notice her. It's kinda...disturbing? off putting? to me. Is he not allowed to make his own choice? Idk it rubs me the wrong way.

Also Kubo said that he wanted people to focus on "the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia, and the change in their own feelings." I wasn't using the honeymoon spread as evidence btw, just throwing it out there. Honestly I don't mind either ship, I just think that Kubo leans IR.

 

 

So a teenage guy blushing over a girl's sexy outfit is not proof that he finds her attractive?

 

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He's embarrassed that she's showing skin, if he didn't see her sexually at all he wouldn't have had such an intense reaction.  Also Yoruichi was naked when she made Ichigo blush, of course he's going to get embarrassed over seeing a naked woman and Rangiku was intentionally trying to seduce him while lifting her skirt.  Orihime was simply wearing a revealing outfit.

Orihime getting jealous of Ichigo and Rukia's bond is not proof that they have romantic feelings for eachother.  By that logic are you saying that Nel and Ichigo have romantic feelings for eachother since Orihime recently got jealous of Nel over Ichigo last chapter?  Rangiku also told Orihime that "she was a fool" for being jealous of Rukia, that Ichigo needs them both.  Orihime also hasn't gotten jealous of Rukia in over 200+ chapters.  When something is not mentioned for a long time it usually means that things have changed.

Ichigo is more protective of Orihime than he is of Rukia, he's gotten angry at Shinji for flirting with Orihime and gets easily angered when his enemies threaten her.  He constantly asks Orihime if she's okay during battles and tells her to stay back during fights.  Aizen, Ulquiorra, and Grimmjow frequently used her as a way to goad Ichigo because they knew how protective he was over her.

Yes the Hollow is what brought Ichigo back to life but it doesn't change what caused him to want to come back to life; to protect Orihime.  It doesn't prove that he has romantic feelings for her but it does prove that their bond is strong and not any less important than IR's.

Again, Ichigo and Rukia having a strong bond doesn't prove that it's romantic nor does it diminish Ichigo and Orihime's relationship.

Yes Ichigo is protective of all his friends but the difference is that Orihime's in love with him.  He has romantic potential with her unlike Rukia who has no romantic feelings for him. 

When a main character is teased about a love interest it's usually evidence that he'll end up with her.  Chad is one of Ichigo and Orihime's closest friends and he seems to support a romantic relationship between them. 

Yeah lots of people ship IchiRuki in fandom but when it comes to debates I think IchiHime has more canon evidence.

 

 

Just playing around about it not needing to be discussed.

 

Even if it was obvious it wouldn't just happen. Look at NaruSaku for example. Only thing challenging it was an abusive relationship and an undeveloped one with no connection beyond "she's a cool friend" for 699 chapters. In the end it didn't happen.

 

All I know is that extremely early on Rukia took like 10 seconds to answer the question of if her and Ichigo were together romantically. Obviously telling us that she has to have a least a little crush on him. Also the fact that the anime ended with Ichigo taking Rukia on a date is pretty obvious towards what they know of the direction Kubo is going to end up taking. The anime was reported recently that it has a good chance of coming back after the manga ends, but they weren't planning to come back when they made that ending for the anime. Rukia is also already considered like family in Ichigo's house.

 

You don't feel THIS way towards someone you'll not see for a little while

 

Well Bleach pairings is part of the topic for Bleach, why not discuss it in this thread? xD

Comparing Bleach pairings to Naruto pairings doesn't prove anything since they're two completely different series,

How does Rukia saying that her and Ichigo were "just friends" prove that she has a crush on him?  She took a long time to answer because she was shocked by the question.

The anime studio has nothing to do with canon and what pairing Kubo might make canon.  Also, Ichigo and Rukia have never been on a date in the anime.

Rukia and Ichigo have been through hell together and have saved eachothers' lives, of course she's going to be sad when she thinks she'll never see him again.

I agree Rukia is considered family in Ichigo's household but it doesn't mean that Ichigo and Rukia are in love with eachother.  It could just mean that she's like a sister to him. xD

 

@rocci, I agree if either Rukia or Ichigo had romantic feelings for eachother, IchiRuki would probably be above IchiHime but at the moment they don't.  I doubt Kubo cares enough about romance to change that now.

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 17 May 2015 - 02:02 AM.

[griff142]

I am a Ichiruki fan since I like them better and they fit under the rest of he pairings in the shower mangas. Yes Bleach has gone a little too long but honestly the big three have done this. Hopefully when Bleach and One Piece do end they will not follow Naruto. Kubo has a change of being better than Kishi in every way so don't mess up another of my favorites

[Aizen-Sama]

I am a Ichiruki fan since I like them better and they fit under the rest of he pairings in the shower mangas. Yes Bleach has gone a little too long but honestly the big three have done this. Hopefully when Bleach and One Piece do end they will not follow Naruto. Kubo has a change of being better than Kishi in every way so don't mess up another of my favorites

 

A lot of people only support IchiRuki because it's main guy x main girl which is a shallow reason but oh well, people will ship what they want regardless of what's in the manga.

I don't read One Piece so I don't know if Bleach will end before or after it.  I'm hoping before. xD

[rocci]

 
hahahahaha...no
 
 
 
This is not really harem manga, a love arrow isn't really "needed". Anyway I think it will be open ending too

You don't need to be harem manga to have love arrow.
Kubo could make rukia have love arrow near or at the end of manga. But right now she doesn't have it, so I favour more on orihime who has love arrow if bleach have end pairing.

Just like if naruto doesn't love sakura since beginning, I would said nh is canon.

[rocci]

 
A lot of people only support IchiRuki because it's main guy x main girl which is a shallow reason but oh well, people will ship what they want regardless of what's in the manga.
I don't read One Piece so I don't know if Bleach will end before or after it.  I'm hoping before. xD

I don't think it's shallow, just like some of us ship NS because it's mainxmain.
Bleach will end before onepiece, onepiece has long way to go.

[Nar123]

You don't need to be harem manga to have love arrow.
Kubo could make rukia have love arrow near or at the end of manga. But right now she doesn't have it, so I favour more on orihime who has love arrow if bleach have end pairing.

Just like if naruto doesn't love sakura since beginning, I would said nh is canon.

If Naruto didn't had a "love arrow" pointing to Sakura at the beginning but still had the same kind of development (kinda) he had with her in canon, I would call it canon either way