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#2541 Nar123

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:30 AM

Had an argument with a pro-ending fan at work thank god I was off the clock this how it went down because it dealt with Sakura:

 

Me: I'm sorry this chapter made me loose every ounce of respect I had for her. I'm just fed up with defending her, or at least defending what she's become.

 

Pro-ending fan: She's a good character who has been shut down and hurt everytime she tries to be confident. For her kitten luck she's doing good.

 

Me: I don't buy it. Her daughter's got more respect out of me then she will ever get from me.

 

Pro-ending fan: Dude, too harsh for the life she's had. Her first love ran away and betrayed her, tried to kill her many times. And Naruto told her that she was lying when she said she loved him. She had a kitten life as a ninja. I don't blame her for being the way she is.

 

Me:  Oh well she had her shot at being great, and failed in the ending.What you consider a good character is nothing more than a pathetic b*tch waiting to get laid in bed.  Think of the message that sends off to people who initially looked up to her post part 1 and seeing her growth in Part 2 that's what you consider  a great character, and sadly that Sakura is forever dead to me. SO believe what you want cause I could care less what becomes of  some of the old generation cause they got screwed over in the end.

 

Welp, you laid it down for him. Did he got speechless after your last reply?

 

 

Thank you. :thanks:

 

I usually end up being more serious here because we tend to get into bigger issues about the story as whole, for whatever reason. :sweatdrop:  I much prefer to make joke post, because humor can be a great way to make a point, but sometimes you just have to tell it like it is. I'll never forgive Kishimoto for what he did to this story, and the moments of my life he wasted by it, and I will not back down when I discuss it either.

 

But I am sorry that I may get a bit preachy at times here. :excited:

 

Some of our POVs aren't the same but I enjoy reading your posts nonetheless Tiller, you're a great addition to the community


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#2542 Tiller

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:34 AM

@tiller - you know what, i'm going to stop going back in forth with you. you obviously enjoy bashing the characters and approve of it. so continue on with the childish name calling. actual criticism is fine, bashing isn't. but you don't see it that way, so i'm done.

Well fair enough then I'm not going to force you to debate me, but for the record I don't "enjoy" laying criticism on the characters. Most people who do, myself included, once loved this story and where it was going. I wish we all could be enjoying some well developed character arcs and resolutions. That isn't what happened though, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

 

Sakura was ruined. Naruto was ruined. The story was ruined.And so were the majority of other characters. It was all ruined by Kishimoto. I'm not going to give him a pass or pretend that the canon characters now have some kind of value. They are just as big of a problem of this story as many other aspects of it. And people shouldn't feel the need to "keep silence" about it. That's half the reason I left NF after the ending in the first place, and came here. I got so tired of hearing about "You can't say Sakura is acting stupidly! Kishimoto choose for her to be that way you must respect her! You can criticizes her! You got to respect Kishimoto's wishes!"

 

Canon Sakura is terrible. Canon pretty much everyone in this story is.



 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:34 AM

Who wants pizza :wow:



#2544 Nar123

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:35 AM

Who wants pizza :wow:

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:38 AM

Who wants pizza :wow:

i already ordered pizza an hour ago. 

 

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:39 AM

:wave:

Well, too bad :argh:

 

i already ordered pizza an hour ago. 

 

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:39 AM

 

Welp, you laid it down for him. Did he got speechless after your last reply?

 

 

 

Oh more than that he was actually left in tears of sadness after my last reply.

 

He tried to argue back and I told him "Those who try their absolute best to defend the ending and it's characters are worse than scum."  


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#2548 Nar123

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:41 AM

Well, too bad :argh:

 

 

Building my hopes and destroying then like they are nothing :cry:

 

damn you  :cry:

 

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:42 AM

Who wants pizza :wow:

I'm actually about to head out to get myself a pizza...

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:44 AM

I'm actually about to head out to get myself a pizza...

 

 

Oddly enough I just literarily finished eating my pizza and boy it was delicious.  


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:46 AM

i already ordered pizza an hour ago. 
 
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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:48 AM

 

The puppeteer? I know you couldn't know this but I tried creating an Anti-Ksihimoto Fan Club on NF many times. The only reason I didn't at the very end when I was finally going to be allowed to was I got tired of NF and the Pro Kishimoto fans there after the ending.

 

I hate the characters because of how they ruined the story. Which I have always placed solely on Kishimoto and by extension on his fans. As I said I know full well Sasuke and Hinata aren't real, which is why I don't feel bad when anyone bashes them for the shallow reasons that their fans love them.

 

And again, criticizing characters because of what Ksihimoto does to them, and how their supporting fans see them should be clear and open game. They are not real people you don't have to protect their "feelings", they don't have any. Hinata and Sasuke's fans dragged this story down in the gutter because Kishimoto in the end appealed to them, and ruined everything he was setting up in his story for them.

 

For the love of good he even ruined the main theme of the story (Free will being the true guide to life not "fate".) Just so Sasuke and Naruto would be shown as "soul-brothers" who were destined to save the universe because they were chosen to always do it. Instead of the story being about a spunky little orphan kid, who by hard work and effort save the world, got the girl, lived his life on his terms, and freed people from the chains of slavery of the ninja system, it instead became another retelling of "The Once and Future King" with Naruto playing the role of King Arthur, reincarnated to save the day once again as he was destined to because of his greatness and failures of his past lives.

 

All of that and more happened just so Sasuke, precious Sasuke, had an excuse to why he was such an asshat. He wasn't a bad guy, oh no not Sasuke! First he is an Uchiha and they "love to much", by their nature. Secondly he is the reincarnation of a prince who in the past choose to rely on his own strength instead of the strengths of others. You see that's why Sasuke is evil, he didn't choose to be a traitor and terrorist, oh no he was destined to react like that, and to take up that mantle. You see it wasn't Sasuke's choice, no it wasn't his fault, it was just the character he has always had inside of him. He's "pure" he doesn't understand the idea of "good and evil".

 

Which was Kishimoto's excuse to put NH/SS together so he could reap the benefits financially from them. I mean who cares about the freaking story, fanboys and fangirls have been drawing hentai stories about the "hot" couples, can't disappoint them.

Well said my brother. Well said. We speak the same language.

 

Guys, I understand you might take issue with us bashing the characters, but we do it (especially Tiller, who understood the heart and soul of this series very well, as shown by the above post) because that's how much we loved this series. We had great expectations out of it. Naruto had the potential to become one of the greatest mangas of all time. Kishimoto had all the ingredients to do it and for the longest time, so many of us sat by, hoping beyond hope, that a miracle would happen and that in the very end, Kishi would put all those ingredients together and make this manga blossom into the manga it always had the ability to become. Even at the lowest moments such as when Naruto hyperventilated in the Land of Iron, we still held on; we still had faith.

 

But every single ounce of that faith has been crushed. To see the series we loved reduced to this dismal state is very frustrating. I cannot help but lambast the characters I was once ever fond of. Perhaps Kishimomto never had the ability to bring this story to the heights it had the potential reach, but he could have very least given us something better than this . . . this . . . I don't even know what to call it. It's that bad and that insulting to me as a reader. It's for this very reason that I have no problem dragging any of these characters through the mud. The love I had for them is long gone. I will always think fondly of what they could have been, but as they are now? I feel nothing but disgust.


Edited by ThroughWithLove, 26 April 2015 - 02:58 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:49 AM

I've noticed how most of the characters are referred to now being ooc. But to be honest, they all seem to be in character to me. Just when their characters were all still twelve and in the academy.
 
Like Naruto seeming to be a childish ingrate.
 
Sasuke off doing his own thing without a care in the world for others, But just not evil.
 
Sakura at home still the ever loyal fangirl of the Uchiha.
 
Hinata still hardly even heard from.
 
Shikamaru still lazy and bothered by everything.
 
And even Chouji. Fat as ever carrying a bag of chips wherever he goes.
 
See things didn't change that much.


indeed. So i ask what was the story for? What had they gained after their journey? Where was all those potentials and development go?

Its perfectly normal to have some things that will never change. But we got a half baked story. Actually if we compare the characters from the beginning to what they are right now.. it will appear that their old selves is so much better than what they are now.

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:52 AM

indeed. So i ask what was the story for? What had they gained after their journey? Where was all those potentials and development go?

Its perfectly normal to have some things that will never change. But we got a half baked story. Actually if we compare the characters from the beginning to what they are right now.. it will appear that their old selves is so much better than what they are now.

 

Exactly, for example, I feel that Naruto from late part 1 is far more mature than his "the last" counterpart.

Sakura from early part 2 suffered a complete downgrade in later arcs

Sasuke's last development was entirely forgotten because plot...

 

And we got things that were supposed to never change changing, like Naruto's bright iconic smile

 

 

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turning into... this

 

 

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:54 AM

I seriously believe that SS happening is all about Sakura's low self-esteem, that she doesn't think she'll ever find anyone better for her than Sasuke, that's she's not worthy enough for Naruto.  That's all there is to it IMO.



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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:55 AM

@tiller - you know what, i'm going to stop going back in forth with you. you obviously enjoy bashing the characters and approve of it. so continue on with the childish name calling. actual criticism is fine, bashing isn't. but you don't see it that way, so i'm done.

 

 

Hey luffy just out of curiosity what were your thoughts on the first chapter of this spin off? 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:59 AM

http://naruhina4e.tu...a-uchiha-theory


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:05 AM

http://naruhina4e.tu...a-uchiha-theory


Found this theory. Thoughts?

I don't believe in theories with Kishimoto anymore. He has shown multiple times that he doesn't pay attention to his own damn history. For the love of God Naruto's kids don't have the Byakugan because he "forgot about it".

 

I also don't think he is "trolling", this is how Kishimoto thinks plots are developed and executed, like they are on some 1990's soap opera.


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#2559 BecauseYouLetRinDie

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:07 AM

Boooo this support for salad. Don't do it, people. Don't fall into Kishi's trap. More bias Uchiha garbage. Booooo salad.

No I have to disagree. I dislike Sasuke as much as the next guy but Sarada is literally the only thing good that came out of that stupid ass relationship that is Sasusaku. So naaah I'm going to keep liking Salad, She's not as emo and cocky as Sasuke and doesn't act like a prick, doesn't put up with all the ninja bs and stupid crap, boruto being part of that stupid crap, so I can see why she is kind of rude towards him. She's the only reason I'm keeping up with the manga tbh. (but then again it's only been one chapter, so I'm HOPING Kishi doesn't screw her up)



#2560 LuckyChi7

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:07 AM

http://naruhina4e.tu...a-uchiha-theory


Found this theory. Thoughts?

 

I think it's 50%-50% Kishi can take the whole Sarada wearing glasses thing in whichever direction he wants and it won't bug me whether or not Sarada is actually Karin's Daughter or Sakura's. Truth is I just love playing around with theories and I think they're kinda fun even if I don't get them right. So best answer I can say is the theory can work, but we just got to wait and see which direction this goes because we are taking Kishi here. 


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