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[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah, the Pokemon anime gets away with it largely because there has never been an overarching plot and time is completely fluid. The objective of the series is just to keep introducing new Pokemon.

Yep and if it does have an end it shall be many, many years from now.

[Bail o' Lies]

Ash from Pokemos is 10 y.o. for 15 years now probably, still has big audience.

With pokemon their target demographic are children that have not watch a previous season of pokemon to get those children interested into the series and the games. Having an adult Ash with a decade or more of experience may be off putting to young children. So every season they soft reset him(he only keeps pikachu with him), or in some seasons a hard reset (his personality is reset). This way the don't scare off young children. Those children then watch a few seasons then when they feel the stagnation they leave and more kids come in till they get bored and leave in a few seasons. And so on till the end of this franchise...if that ever happens.

 

With Boruto their target demographic are the old fans of Naruto, and the kids of the old fans. Ignoring any problem carried over from Naruto. Who wants to watch a series which is all about some spoiled kids whining about his daddy issues with no change until it is suddenly fix at a point; then Hinata's Husband is the perfect father to her children?

[gamma]

 
To defend the romance genre slightly, speed is a necessity but just as often an elapse of time is passed to give this effect. Also extraordinary events could very well have accelerating effects. But the first is a fair criticism. 
 
The second is also a fair point, if the writer wanted to make it romantic with the necessary changes. I do prefer this depth in growth of a relationship, though the effect isn't lost, their friendship is noticeably closer than most. I would only retort that the other pairings were also not rushed.

I think of writing romance like building a building. An extraordinary event, like two people meeting and befriending each other for the first time, is like the foundation of this building. Other significant events to a lesser extent are the floors. It's important yes, but without beams and columns and sheetrock to lift and hold the floors together, then the entire building starts ceasing to exist.

You can have all the major moments you want, but if you do not follow up on that, then it's pointless to have them there in the first place.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Yeah, the Pokemon anime gets away with it largely because there has never been an overarching plot and time is completely fluid. The objective of the series is just to keep introducing new Pokemon, have them battle and showcase new abilities.

 

Boruto doesn't have that simplistic but effective formula to fall back on because the writers are bereft of appealing ideas to maintain the audiences' attention. 

It's also largely an advertising machine for the games, and it's only become more painfully obvious with attempted cash grabs like Pokken and Pokemon Go, and now more people are noticing with Ultra Sun and Moon.

[gamma]

Fair enough. Establishing the foundation and then having it develop essentially. What do you mean by follow up though?

A continuation or a mention of it in a smaller scale. Like talking about it. That's apart of the beams and columns analogy I was talking about.

Edited by gamma, 28 September 2017 - 08:30 PM.

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[DeathGodMack]

[NarutoUzumaki01]

DeathGodMack there is nothing in your post.
Can somebody clear a thing to me? Did Naruto dies in burrito manga?

[Namaenash]

I think of writing romance like building a building. An extraordinary event, like two people meeting and befriending each other for the first time, is like the foundation of this building. Other significant events to a lesser extent are the floors. It's important yes, but without beams and columns and sheetrock to lift and hold the floors together, then the entire building starts ceasing to exist.

You can have all the major moments you want, but if you do not follow up on that, then it's pointless to have them there in the first place.

This is nicely put and I wholeheartedly agree. In architecture and engineering, the only way to get things done is to keep building purposeful artefacts. Everything has its purpose; be it foundational building blocks, or ancillary objects.

Likewise with storytelling I suppose.

Which is the very reason why I could not see the appeal on NH/SS. Apart from the idea of creepy stalking, or severe Stockholm syndrome, it lacks something fundamental: build up. And build up takes time and patience.

If indeed these two are the final outcome in romance department of this series, the past 15 years have been grossly wasted. Kishimoto have all the chances and time to develop these two. Yet, he chose to build up the pairing that he claims as 'red herring'.

Edited by Namaenash, 02 October 2017 - 04:54 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

1: He didn't "build up" the pairing that he claims as Red Herring romantically. The bond explicitly never goes anywhere beyond Naruto's crush and stays platonic, Sakura loving Sasuke.

 

Notably, there's really no NS change that can be pointed out that doesn't hinge on parralels in the last two hundred chapters even, and the hundred before have the sinking ship confession.

 

2: NH does not have "stalking". Describing SS as Stockholm Syndrome is just entirely inaccurate, these feelings occur before Sasuke leaves anyway. While I will criticize SS's development as being more told over shown, I would argue NH one of the better developed bonds. If we're talking plain writing though, there's stark changes to both that strongly infer a 700 ending. NS admittedly -lacks- any real indicator it was going to happen in 700. 

The truth has been spoken.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Can somebody clear a thing to me? Does Naruto dies in burrito manga?

[T XD]

 

Thanks, I guess. 

The other possibility that you thought about; The reply wasn't meant to what you said, but what Namanaesh said.

 

 

Can somebody clear a thing to me? Does Naruto dies in burrito manga?

 

It's Naruto's clone. The original Naruto ran away and gave orders to his clone how to mingle and associate with the others. You can say the same for Sakura, Sasuke and other characters.

 

For run away characters : They learned the clone technique then made their clones and gave them instructions. For example, Kiba has his clone act like a Casanova ninja. Good game.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

It's Naruto's clone. The original Naruto ran away and gave orders to his clone how to mingle and associate with the others. You can say the same for Sakura, Sasuke and other characters.

 

For run away characters : They learned the clone technique then made their clones and gave them instructions. For example, Kiba has his clone act like a Casanova ninja. Good game.

Are you pulling my leg or it's really a plot? D:

[Bail o' Lies]

DeathGodMack there is nothing in your post.
Can somebody clear a thing to me? Did Naruto dies in burrito manga?

He is implied to have died in the future bit of the first chapter. If you are talking about the anime ...of course not! They aren't even at the chunin exams yet.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 October 2017 - 08:12 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

The other possibility that you thought about; The reply wasn't meant to what you said, but what Namanaesh said.

 

It's Naruto's clone. The original Naruto ran away and gave orders to his clone how to mingle and associate with the others. You can say the same for Sakura, Sasuke and other characters.

 

For run away characters : They learned the clone technique then made their clones and gave them instructions. For example, Kiba has his clone act like a Casanova ninja. Good game.

I assume this happened in one of the new episode I haven't watch yet? Well Bolt's clones are really mouthy to the original. So I guess for comedy they decided to make all the clones do that now. It's based off that one filler episode where In A Dream after Naruto's clones spent an entire day active they started to become aspect of his own personality and started acting independently of his will, even kidnapped him.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

He is implied to have died in the future bit of the first chapter.

Okay. Thanks to all who clarified this to me.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 02 October 2017 - 08:25 PM.

[Catra]

i honestly hope he did die.

[TheFirstEvil100]

i honestly hope he did die.

Lol well Catra we think alike I hope that he is dead as well, and I hope Sasuke dies as well along with Hinata.

 

Not Sakura this will give Hinata fans what they want after all, and just think of the looks of her fans will have that Sakura outlived Hinata man that would make me smile.

 

But here is the thing how would you like them to die in Boruto, I'm not reading it better manga than that trash after all that I am reading from better writers as well that have the good growth that they all know should come about as well, I just hope with Naruto he will die as he lived a loser watching his home burn to the ground and in the last moments he will know he failed to *Laughs* Bring peace.

[T XD]

Are you pulling my leg or it's really a plot? D:

I assume this happened in one of the new episode I haven't watch yet? Well Bolt's clones are really mouthy to the original. So I guess for comedy they decided to make all the clones do that now. It's based off that one filler episode where In A Dream after Naruto's clones spent an entire day active they started to become aspect of his own personality and started acting independently of his will, even kidnapped him.

Looks like I didn't pull just one of your legs, but both of your legs along with both of your hands XD