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[Bail o' Lies]

Here the thing; even arranged marriages take longer time then a few months. First, normally the family wants an alliance of sorts, and or match makers set them up. Then after that they then meet frequently enough to make sure the relationship would works, the families testing the waters, and if it good they start planning the wedding. Hell, scheduling, planning, and arranging a marriage sometimes takes more then 6 months, which means that probably decided to get married very shortly after they started dating. How quickly were Naruto and Hinata married? Their friends hadn't even picked out their wedding gifts till the day (or was it week) before.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 September 2017 - 12:20 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Here the thing; even arranged marriages take longer time then a few months. First, normally the family wants an alliance of sorts, and or match makers set them up. Then after that they then meet frequently enough to make sure the relationship would works. they family test the waters, and if it good they start planning the wedding. Hell, scheduling, planning, and arranging a marriage sometimes takes more then 6 months, which means that probably decided to get married very shortly after they started dating. How quickly were Naruto and Hinata married? Their friends hadn't even picked out their wedding gifts till the day (or was it week) before.

Cause SP wanted Hinata to have the most perfect wedding day again we all know they at SP love Hinata more than the other girls they have said it more than once when Naruto was still going on, plus they wanted them to get married fast as well which is bad and I mean bad.

[Bail o' Lies]

They didn't spend more time together pre-last. The last is about their relationship going from 0 to 100 in a few hours.

[Nostradamus]

 

No, you're not, I also thought about this. 

Good to know.

 

From what I recall Kishimoto was experimenting with the possibility of going with it, but then the SS freaked out and threatened him; so he backed off.

This I did not know.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Cause SP wanted Hinata to have the most perfect wedding day again we all know they at SP love Hinata more than the other girls they have said it more than once when Naruto was still going on, plus they wanted them to get married fast as well which is bad and I mean bad.

Its why I wish I could got to their wedding and then stop it I would bring a gun with me just to be safe.

[My Living Curse]

Its why I wish I could got to their wedding and then stop it I would bring a gun with me just to be safe.

 

Still need to nuke it from orbit. The only proper way to the job done! Red Wedding treatment is also an acceptable alternative.

 

They didn't spend more time together pre-last. The last is about their relationship going from 0 to 100 in a few hours.

 

But it's TRUE love. Why mess with TRUE love. Naruto loved Hinata since ch.3, they've been on Team 7 for years, and spent hundreds of chapters together. Ah, TRUE love!

 

Don't do drugs kids! 

[TheFirstEvil100]

You know who Boruto remind me off Eli/Liquid Snake.

[Phantom_999]

 

You're not wrong on the first part, though I was not addressing contemporary Japan, and comparing Naruto to an older Japan, with 700 being modern Japan influenced. 

 

Obviously, i'm not talking about an arranged marriage, and their marriage doesn't seem loveless at all to me. Considering their is two years pre-Last, and they don't get married straight after the Last...that's a few years? Plus the time they've known eachother before. So not sure what point you are trying to get here either. 

 

On the Sakura bit: Because not every guy and girl that spends time together ends up in a romantic relationship. 

 

Okay fine. Say that it WAS culturally like an older Japan, Why again did Minato and Kushina or Azuma and Kurenai wait until their late 20s or early 30s to marry/ have kids, But Naruto and Hinata married before they even hit 20? I believe my friend Kagomaru brought up the subject already. Before you bring up some vague concept like social values in a story at least think on whether or not if it is consistently portrayed in a story first, because clearly Naruto and Hinata were rushing to get married like a shotgun wedding, making it an exception rather than a norm. because the writers thought it was SO ROMANTIC for them to get instantly hitched. *throws up*

 

OH, so not every guy and girl that spends time together ends up in a romantic relationship? WELL THERE YOU GO, you just shot yourself in the foot there. What makes that different from your argument then? How does Naruto having a few conversations with Hinata at best JUSTIFY how they went from barely acquainted to married and with kids then? Because it is the same with Naruto and Sakura, they, Naruto and Hinata, just talked, and barely at that, so therefore their interactions before "The Last" hold no weight in their relationship either. Thank you for clearing that up. 

 

You know what DOES constitute whether or not a romantic relationship occurs between two characters? whether or not there is shown any interest between them in the writing. For instance do you RECALL a time when Naruto asked Hinata out on a date any time in the the original manga? that is from chapter 1-700 and not counting any omakes or side chapters? I sure don't, I know Naruto would ask Sakura out every now and then and at the start of part 2/ Shippuden she was at least considering it because why else would she ask if he was going to pay the entire bill? it is the WRITING that dictates whether or not two characters are interested in each other. Therefore Naruto was never interested in Hinata as more than a friend or acquaintance, but there are moments between Naruto and Sakura that can make someone easily assume Sakura does like Naruto romantically. And before you bring up the Naruto and Sakura's relationship is only platonic" card again I ask, how is Naruto NOT platonic towards Hinata then? I bring up this fact once more, HE NEVER ASKED HINATA OUT in the manga 

Edited by Phantom_999, 27 September 2017 - 07:24 PM.

[Kagomaru]

 

Okay fine. Say that it WAS culturally like an older Japan, Why again did Minato and Kushina or Azuma and Kurenai wait until their late 20s or early 30s to marry/ have kids, But Naruto and Hinata married before they even hit 20? I believe my friend Kagomaru brought up the subject already. Before you bring up some vague concept like social values in a story at least think on whether or not if it is consistently portrayed in a story first, because clearly Naruto and Hinata were rushing to get married like a shotgun wedding, making it an exception rather than a norm. because the writers thought it was SO ROMANTIC for them to get instantly hitched. *throws up*

 

OH, so not every guy and girl that spends time together ends up in a romantic relationship? WELL THERE YOU GO, you just shot yourself in the foot there. What makes that different from your argument then? How does Naruto having a few conversations with Hinata at best JUSTIFY how they went from barely acquainted to married and with kids then? Because it is the same with Naruto and Sakura, they, Naruto and Hinata, just talked, and barely at that, so therefore their interactions before "The Last" hold no weight in their relationship either. Thank you for clearing that up. 

 

You know what DOES constitute whether or not a romantic relationship occurs between two characters? whether or not there is shown any interest between them in the writing. For instance do you RECALL a time when Naruto asked Hinata out on a date any time in the the original manga? that is from chapter 1-700 and not counting any omakes or side chapters? I sure don't, I know Naruto would ask Sakura out every now and then and at the start of part 2/ Shippuden she was at least considering it because why else would she ask if he was going to pay the entire bill? it is the WRITING that dictates whether or not two characters are interested in each other. Therefore Naruto was never interested in Hinata as more than a friend or acquaintance, but there are moments between Naruto and Sakura that can make someone easily assume Sakura does like Naruto romantically. And before you bring up the Naruto and Sakura's relationship is only platonic" card again I ask, how is Naruto NOT platonic towards Hinata then? I bring up this fact once more, HE NEVER ASKED HINATA OUT in the manga 

Heck, just observe Naruto and Sakura's first meeting after two years:

 

 

Yeah, blushing at one another and Sakura bashfully asking him if she seemed more like a woman to him(or for people who can't pick up on subtext: if she was attractive to him)...

 

Yeah, that's totally a platonic reaction and question to have.

Edited by Kagomaru, 27 September 2017 - 09:16 PM.

[gamma]

They didn't spend more time together pre-last. The last is about their relationship going from 0 to 100 in a few hours.

This is why I hate romance movies in general, trying to squeeze in enough information and moments in the frame of 2 hours to try and make sense of a relationship. You don't look at someone, and suddenly out of nowhere realize "omg i love you" just like that. It's too fast, it doesn't do it for me. The Last was no different for me when I watched it, if only worse with character assassinations left and right, coated in a heaping pile of shoujo glitter at the end of it.

This is one of the reasons why I prefer NS. It's a slow culmination of moments written for 10+ years, among other things. We got to see all the little moments of their relationship together; walking, talking, fighting together, thinking about one another, being silly, and so forth.

It feels genuine, because it wasn't rushed.

[My Living Curse]

This is why I hate romance movies in general, trying to squeeze in enough information and moments in the frame of 2 hours to try and make sense of a relationship. You don't look at someone, and suddenly out of nowhere realize "omg i love you" just like that. It's too fast, it doesn't do it for me. The Last was no different for me when I watched it, if only worse with character assassinations left and right, coated in a heaping pile of shoujo glitter at the end of it.

 

I agree with everything you said. Hell even this video covers everything perfectly! 1:30 and on is my favorite part 

 

This is one of the reasons why I prefer NS. It's a slow culmination of moments written for 10+ years, among other things. We got to see all the little moments of their relationship together; walking, talking, fighting together, thinking about one another, being silly, and so forth.

It feels genuine, because it wasn't rushed.

 

But that's exactly why I'm still stuck with this series unfortunately. Trust me I've followed numerous books, TV shows, movie trilogies, etc but none have affected me more than the travesty of Naruto's last 4-5 years of publication. Aside from 10+ years of investment AND the final arc being total garbage (ugh in SO many ways), it's the fact that the movies and interviews try to retcon Naruto's love for Sakura, and make it seem that Naruto had this burgeoning, hidden love for Hinata to the point they got married in like 3-5 months. 

 

And I can tell you now, in no way whatsoever does falling into a genjutsu scarf DeLorean pool, make you fall in love with someone who you NEVER, even in the slightest, had feelings for (no matter how kawaii or busty they redraw her).

 

Love takes time to develop and feelings take time to be exchanged mutually. Yes this is a fiction story, but even fiction stories can have some semblance of logic (No matter how little in a world of 50ft samurais.) 

[sushi.]

In theory we are suppose to sympathize with Bolt and take his side since he is the main character. The problem is one we have know Naruto for far longer so we are naturally more sympathetic to him, and two SP don't want to show Naruto as neglecting his family because that means he is neglecting Hinata. So all that does is make Bolt come off as a whiny spoiled brat that's overreacting to his father having a job that may require him to work late. At least the movie and the manga have it resolved by this point the anime has to keep it going as long as they can.

The problem is the writers can't decide which character we should root for so they decide to portray them both in a bad light. This could work if it was an unavoidable situation, but it is quite easily solved and not a necessary conflict considering the manga's style troughout the years and its genre. There's been no plot like this ever. All of the families in Naruto have been happy, especially shown in RtN. The conflict most similar to Boruto's is Sakura's relationship with her parents which is shown in that movie. They were at the end of the day shown as goodhearted parents, and readers understood the problem was miscommunication, not lack of love and care. Not to mention they were shown as having ups and downs just like any family, but the issue in Naruto's family seems to be constant, as we never see them smile or laugh together, and Boruto no matter what is angry at his dad from the moment he wakes up til he goes to bed. Which is nothing more than depressing.

[Bail o' Lies]

The problem is the writers can't decide which character we should root for so they decide to portray them both in a bad light. This could work if it was an unavoidable situation, but it is quite easily solved and not a necessary conflict considering the manga's style troughout the years and its genre. There's been no plot like this ever. All of the families in Naruto have been happy, especially shown in RtN. The conflict most similar to Boruto's is Sakura's relationship with her parents which is shown in that movie. They were at the end of the day shown as goodhearted parents, and readers understood the problem was miscommunication, not lack of love and care. Not to mention they were shown as having ups and downs just like any family, but the issue in Naruto's family seems to be constant, as we never see them smile or laugh together, and Boruto no matter what is angry at his dad from the moment he wakes up til he goes to bed. Which is nothing more than depressing.

The thing is they could have made this interesting. Have it start that Naruto only recently became hokage. First have Naruto be the perfect family man SP wants him to be. Then have it that the role of Hokage slowly takes over Naruto's life. Then let the problem slowly fester till it reaches the boiling point during the chunin exams. The thing is in the chunin exam both Bolt and Naruto know they're in the wrong, Bolt can't let go of his resentment, and Naruto knows he's not being there enough for his family.

 

The problem is they started at a 100 in the anime and it will continue to be so until it's resolves during the chunin exam. How is that interesting? It doesn't matter if the anime is canon or not; it is currently behaving like filler.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 September 2017 - 11:25 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

The thing is they could have made this interesting. Have it start that Naruto only recently became hokage. First have Naruto be the perfect family man SP wants him to be. Then have it that the role of Hokage slowly takes over Naruto's life. Then let the problem slowly fester till it reaches the boiling point during the chunin exams. The thing is in the chunin exam both Bolt and Naruto know they're in the wrong, Bolt can't let go of his resentment, and Naruto knows he not being there enough for his family. The problem is they started at a 100 in the anime and it will continue to be so until it's resolves during the chunin exam. How is that interesting? It doesn't matter if the anime is canon or not; it is currently behaving like filler.

No need of good writing for bad product.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 27 September 2017 - 11:11 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

You know who Boruto remind me off Eli/Liquid Snake.

That's being to kind as liquid is still interesting and a great character. Bolt is just a Tidus rip off only worse.
Actually that'd be interesting that Shina is the real son aka solid snake and hanami too and bolt and himawari are the liquid and solidus snake of naruto only lamer.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 28 September 2017 - 02:04 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Its why I wish I could got to their wedding and then stop it I would bring a gun with me just to be safe.

Same but me I'd sneak into her dressing room and do the deed and sneak out quick or like I keep said all ghilled up from modern warfare were hinata dies and an added bonus taking off naruto's zetsu arm.

[Bail o' Lies]

No need of good writing for bad product.

That isn't even good writing. That's basic writing. The one thing a writer should never let happen is let the story stagnate. Story stagnation leads the audience feeling boredom & apathy because they feel nothing is happening, and audaince apathy is death for a story. SP is hoping they can stall with this filler until the manga far enough along that hopefully something interesting finally happens. The problem is they either are going to have to keep on with Bolt whining about his father; which is just going to grate the longer it goes on because nothing is happening (which will cause people to leave). Or they have to down play it till it is all but forgotten until it rises up during the chunin exams (which will make it feel strange because it was all but forgotten for a while). Also are they going to adapt the chunin exam?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

That isn't even good writing. That's basic writing. The one thing a writer should never let happen is let the story stagnate. Story stagnation leads the audience feeling boredom & apathy because they feel nothing is happening, and audaince apathy is death for a story. SP is hoping they can stall with this filler until the manga far enough along that hopefully something interesting finally happens. The problem is they either are going to have to keep on with Bolt whining about his father; which is just going to grate the longer it goes on because nothing is happening (which will cause people to leave). Or they have to down play it till it is all but forgotten until it rises up during the chunin exams (which will make it feel strange because it was all but forgotten for a while). Also are they going to adapt the chunin exam?

Ash from Pokemos is 10 y.o. for 15 years now probably, still has big audience.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Ash from Pokemos is 10 y.o. for 15 years now probably, still has big audience.

To be far with Pokemon new kids are always coming into watching it its like with Power Rangers and and Scooby Doo as well. Doctor who does the same thing as well.

[Kagomaru]

To be far with Pokemon new kids are always coming into watching it its like with Power Rangers and and Scooby Doo as well. Doctor who does the same thing as well.

Yeah, the Pokemon anime gets away with it largely because there has never been an overarching plot and time is completely fluid. The objective of the series is just to keep introducing new Pokemon, have them battle and showcase new abilities.

 

Boruto doesn't have that simplistic but effective formula to fall back on because the writers are bereft of appealing ideas to maintain the audiences' attention. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 28 September 2017 - 01:55 PM.