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[Chatte]

Here you go

It took me a really long time to come to that decision xD.

Thanks! ^^

LE: Oh, it was yoooou! You followed me sometime ago and reblogged some of my pooosts.
That's nice to know it is a fellow NS shipper!

Edited by Chatte, 04 January 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think both Naruto and Sakura need to prove their love to each other in the final moments. Naruto needs to listen for once and stop being so closed minded while Sakura needs to stop thinking she is a burden. As I did say she thinks she is a burden, it doesn't alter the fact that none of this will be realized until Sasuke comes back into the picture. Until then, Kishi will continue to make them brush it all off.

They have to prove to each other that what they have is real and the best possibly point to do it is to see Sakura stand up to Sasuke before Naruto. To make that choice right there and never regret. That's how I see it unfolding. Speculation of course.

Even though in reality, the guy and girl would have realized their feelings by now. What I said is true, but the problem is as I said is that Kishi is stalling. He purposely makes them both that way not because their character really would feel that way, but because Kishi is forcing those thoughts into them. You know what I am saying? It's like if Sakura and Naruto were real people, these kind of emotions really wouldn't be like that, but because Kishi controls them he is forcing them to go OoC until the time comes.

There's nothing for Naruto to prove that he loves Sakura, neither Sakura has to prove for Naruto, she may be but proving to Naruto that she's different than she was before, Naruto viewed her as the same as part 1 and it's clear on his mind during the confession arc.
And unfortunately she's still the same.
She does not have confidence on herself, there has some parts that she showed it like on Sasori's fight but because she was fighting for Naruto and did not realized it, chyo-baa realized but she not, hence her words on the rescue sasuke's arc.
Her problems is "Not enough confidence", "Insecurity", "she has a very low opinion about herself", the same as Kushina.
What made her fall in love with Minato was not the fact that he saved her but the fact that he said "your hair is beautiful" in other words he liked the fact that a man like minato liked her insecurities, that the things she thought as bad for her actually were good for other people like Minato.

I think he has. It just hasn't sunk in yet. Kushina fell in love with Minato as soon as he proved it. Naruto has proved it the same exact way several times and Sakura is still stubborn for one reason or another. Whether she thinks she is burden or because Kishi is stalling. Whatever the case maybe.

I think not, when you re-read the manga you will understand her will to fight comes from from protecting both Naruto and Sasuke, and it comes from part 1 as well it didnt come from Naruto.
WHen i started looking the things more closely what i see is what Naruto changed on Sakura was her view of him which is different than changing a person.
Naruto saved her and did a lot of things for her but didnt give a pep talk, he didnt talked to her about the stuff, about what he feels about the things that are happening, he saved her from Sasuke but different than minato he didnt give an inspiring talk, something that change her, when that lover him comes and declared his love it was clear that she thought that no one would confess to her she view herself as a burden to Naruto, she views herself as unatractive that is the reasons why she questionend herself when Sai told her that Naruto loves her.
It's not Sasuke that will change her it's Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Qia]

Thanks! ^^

LE: Oh, it was yoooou! You followed me sometime ago and reblogged some of my pooosts.
That's nice to know it is a fellow NS shipper!

No problem. and yea xD. I really liked your analysis on part 1 Sakura . I just go under a different name for tumblr

[Chatte]

No problem. and yea xD. I really liked your analysis on part 1 Sakura . I just go under a different name for tumblr

Heheh, it's cool. I am just happy to have 'found you' in a way or another. xd

That Sakura analysis will be actually up to date. xd
It's just hard to make an analysis of her overall.
What I did only until now took me 70 pages...so imagine the rest, heheh. ^^

[Qia]

Heheh, it's cool. I am just happy to have 'found you' in a way or another. xd

That Sakura analysis will be actually up to date. xd
It's just hard to make an analysis of her overall.
What I did only until now took me 70 pages...so imagine the rest, heheh. ^^

Cool, I can't wait! And yea I understand. Good luck? That's a lot of pages, but it would be worth it if it managed to change some people's opinions about Sakura.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think not, when you re-read the manga you will understand her will to fight comes from from protecting both Naruto and Sasuke, and it comes from part 1 as well it didnt come from Naruto.
WHen i started looking the things more closely what i see is what Naruto changed on Sakura was her view of him which is different than changing a person.
Naruto saved her and did a lot of things for her but didnt give a pep talk, he didnt talked to her about the stuff, about what he feels about the things that are happening, he saved her from Sasuke but different than minato he didnt give an inspiring talk, something that change her, when that lover him comes and declared his love it was clear that she thought that no one would confess to her she view herself as a burden to Naruto, she views herself as unatractive that is the reasons why she questionend herself when Sai told her that Naruto loves her.
It's not Sasuke that will change her it's Naruto.

So closing it is Sakura is the one of the last persons that Naruto will change, or the last.
Her insecurities, her bad view about herself, confidence etc...
I think after this she will love Naruto.

@luffy1q this is my answer too you, i think this is the only way that she will love Naruto, changing Sakura.
I understand now after reading some pages and after reading about Sakura, actually she didnt change after all, she may be become more strong and have a great view about Naruto but it didnt not change her, for some reason i found this foreshadowing on Mina/Kushi flashbacks, Naruto will change her and she will love him honestly.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[Chatte]

Cool, I can't wait! And yea I understand. Good luck? That's a lot of pages, but it would be worth it if it managed to change some people's opinions about Sakura.

Well, I had at least 1 that sent me a PM and said that he's glad that he followed me and saw that Sakura wasn't how he thought he was and admitted he was influenced about this trend of "hating" Sakura.
And on another forum I am active, after I've been arguing with people for months for Sakura, at least I managed to make others stand up for themselves and defend her and not being afraid about the hate and it's nice when you receive messages stating so or you inspire them, stuff like that.
Don't want to brag about myself, but those little things make my heart melt! ♥

[StriderC]

There's nothing for Naruto to prove that he loves Sakura, neither Sakura has to prove for Naruto, she may be but proving to Naruto that she's different than she was before, Naruto viewed her as the same as part 1 and it's clear on his mind during the confession arc.
And unfortunately she's still the same.
She does not have confidence on herself, there has some parts that she showed it like on Sasori's fight but because she was fighting for Naruto and did not realized it, chyo-baa realized but she not, hence her words on the rescue sasuke's arc.
Her problems is "Not enough confidence", "Insecurity", "she has a very low opinion about herself", the same as Kushina.
What made her fall in love with Minato was not the fact that he saved her but the fact that he said "your hair is beautiful" in other words he liked the fact that a man like minato liked her insecurities, that the things she thought as bad for her actually were good for other people like Minato.


I think not, when you re-read the manga you will understand her will to fight comes from from protecting both Naruto and Sasuke, and it comes from part 1 as well it didnt come from Naruto.
WHen i started looking the things more closely what i see is what Naruto changed on Sakura was her view of him which is different than changing a person.
Naruto saved her and did a lot of things for her but didnt give a pep talk, he didnt talked to her about the stuff, about what he feels about the things that are happening, he saved her from Sasuke but different than minato he didnt give an inspiring talk, something that change her, when that lover him comes and declared his love it was clear that she thought that no one would confess to her she view herself as a burden to Naruto, she views herself as unatractive that is the reasons why she questionend herself when Sai told her that Naruto loves her.
It's not Sasuke that will change her it's Naruto.

Uh, yeah she sort of DOES have to prove she loves him considering he didn't believe her the first time given her pretty much putting down Sasuke. She hasn't completely gotten over him so she has an obstacle to overcome before she can fully love Naruto.

And Naruto may have to prove he loves Sakura because if Sakura is looking what's happening now and she becomes jealous, what do you say then? She could back off, and possibly let Hinata have him because she feels that that's what will make him happy. All at one time, she's seen her sacrifice herself, bring him out of his funk, and fight by his side without burdening him. How do you think that's gonna make her feel or how do you think she feels now? He may have to prove it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Uh, yeah she sort of DOES have to prove she loves him considering he didn't believe her the first time given her pretty much putting down Sasuke. She hasn't completely gotten over him so she has an obstacle to overcome before she can fully love Naruto.

And Naruto may have to prove he loves Sakura because if Sakura is looking what's happening now and she becomes jealous, what do you say then? She could back off, and possibly let Hinata have him because she feels that that's what will make him happy. All at one time, she's seen her sacrifice herself, bring him out of his funk, and fight by his side without burdening him. How do you think that's gonna make her feel or how do you think she feels now? He may have to prove it.

We have agree to disagree on this part as well, she does not have to prove nothing to Naruto and neither Naruto to prove that he loves her, Naruto changing her will make her love him honestly, Kushina didnt had to prove that she loved Minato despite not liking him like she said before, she loved him after he changed her, after he taking down her insecurites that is the same as Sakura and changing her view about herself.
Naruto will see that she's not the same as she was before.
Because no matter how you say Sakura is the same as she was on part 1 with a difference that her view of Naruto changed, and she wanted to be usefull for him but unfortunatly her personality does not acknowledge the things she did for him, she see herself as weak and and useless, she views herself as a burden.

If you read the manga there's no inspiring talks of Naruto to Sakura, there's no talks like Naruto did to Hinata.
Why Naruto didnt do this?
Kishi is delaying this.

Naruto in 615 chapters never told to Sakura how he views her, what he thinks about her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 09:24 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

James you said Sakura knew about what Naruto's answer will be to her confession. Could you say where? I can't remember exactly.
Thanks!

Well we have this, but I swear she also said it herself.
http://www.mangapand...hapter-474.html

I have to keep looking.

[Chatte]

Guys, OOC topic. Does someone know actually exactly how many times Sakura hit Naruto in the manga?
Thanks!

Well we have this, but I swear she also said it herself.
http://www.mangapand...hapter-474.html

I have to keep looking.

Thanks a lot!
Well, it isn;t the first time Yamato is right about Sakura

Edited by Chatte, 04 January 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[StriderC]

We have agree to disagree on this part as well, she does not have to prove nothing to Naruto and neither Naruto to prove that he loves her, Naruto changing her will make her love him honestly, Kushina didnt had to prove that she loved Minato despite not liking him like she said before, she loved him after he changed her, after he taking down her insecurites that is the same as Sakura and changing her view about herself.
Naruto will see that she's not the same as she was before.
Because no matter how you say Sakura is the same as she was on part 1 with a difference that her view of Naruto changed, and she wanted to be usefull for him but unfortunatly her personality does not acknowledge the things she did for him, she see herself as weak and and useless, she views herself as a burden.

She doesn't need to change though... Only thing is is that she likely doesn't truly realize that she loves Naruto. That's it. Her views of him are already great enough. She will do just about anything for him, and she cares about him quite a bit.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She doesn't need to change though... Only thing is is that she likely doesn't truly realize that she loves Naruto. That's it. Her views of him are already great enough. She will do just about anything for him, and she cares about him quite a bit.

But what about her views about herself?
This does not have to change?

Like i said i edited my post read.

Naruto loves Sakura and he's the only one who can change her.
This does have nothing to do with her view about Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[Qia]

Well, I had at least 1 that sent me a PM and said that he's glad that he followed me and saw that Sakura wasn't how he thought he was and admitted he was influenced about this trend of "hating" Sakura.
And on another forum I am active, after I've been arguing with people for months for Sakura, at least I managed to make others stand up for themselves and defend her and not being afraid about the hate and it's nice when you receive messages stating so or you inspire them, stuff like that.
Don't want to brag about myself, but those little things make my heart melt! ♥

That's really good to hear! And yea when you're surrounded by a lot of Sakura haters and hear so much stuff about her...if you don't look at things yourself and get different perspectives on her character, you can be really influenced. Even I didn't like her back then. But in my defense I was 11 soooooo. And I know how you feel. I've gotten some too, and it really surprises me that I can have that effect on people. But yes keep it up.

[Chatte]

That's really good to hear! And yea when you're surrounded by a lot of Sakura haters and hear so much stuff about her...if you don't look at things yourself and get different perspectives on her character, you can be really influenced. Even I didn't like her back then. But in my defense I was 11 soooooo. And I know how you feel. I've gotten some too, and it really surprises me that I can have that effect on people. But yes keep it up.

Trying my best!
Yeah, it's true there are a lot of Sakura haters out there. It feels like in 300. We, Sakura fans are like the the spartans (300 at first), while the haters, are Xerxes army.
But guess who won in the end?

[StriderC]

But what about her views about herself?
This does not have to change?

Like i said i edited my post read.

Naruto loves Sakura and he's the only one who can change her.
This does have nothing to do with her view about Naruto.

And what exactly would Naruto be changing about her? It seems you're saying that Naruto will change her outlook on herself when that shouldn't even be something he's supposed to do anyway. That's something SAKURA has to work on. Not Naruto. He can tell her she isn't a burden but that won't ring in her head unless SHE realizes that she isn't. Unless, that line "he's the only one who can change her" isn't talking about what I just said here...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And what exactly would Naruto be changing about her? It seems you're saying that Naruto will change her outlook on herself when that shouldn't even be something he's supposed to do anyway. That's something SAKURA has to work on. Not Naruto. He can tell her she isn't a burden but that won't ring in her head unless SHE realizes that she isn't. Unless, that line "he's the only one who can change her" isn't talking about what I just said here...

It's already confirmed that Sakura = Kushina and you know that

http://i29.mangaread...uto-1377327.jpg

http://i30.mangaread...uto-1377329.jpg
he looked like a flaky girly boy

http://i10.mangaread...uto-1377331.jpg
i looked down my nose at minato.

http://i2.mangareade...uto-1377333.jpg
and most important he changed me

I think it cant be more obvious.
Minato changed the way she looked at him and most important he changed her views about herself.

Naruto changed sakura's view about him but did not changed her views about herself.


I disagree with you and yes it's something that Naruto must do.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 10:19 PM.

[Chatte]

It's already confirmed that Sakura = Kushina and you know that

http://i29.mangaread...uto-1377327.jpg

http://i30.mangaread...uto-1377329.jpg
he looked like a flaky girly boy

http://i10.mangaread...uto-1377331.jpg
i looked down my nose at minato.

http://i2.mangareade...uto-1377333.jpg
and most important he changed me

I think it cant be more obvious.
Minato changed the way she looked at him and most important he changed her views about herself.

Naruto changed sakura's view about him but did not changed her views about herself.
I cant be more obvious.

The win in this is so high, lol!
As for MinaKushi parallel, sorry forgot to add that.

Edited by Chatte, 04 January 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

There's nothing for Naruto to prove that he loves Sakura, neither Sakura has to prove for Naruto, she may be but proving to Naruto that she's different than she was before, Naruto viewed her as the same as part 1 and it's clear on his mind during the confession arc.
And unfortunately she's still the same.

Naruto needs to prove his love in a certain way, yes. He needs to prove that he truly loves by listening to her and not push her aside because of Sasuke. That's why he is the final hurdle. Get him out of the way and let's see what happens from there. The mix-up with Sakura's confession has created some problems. I don't think Sakura was lying, but there to the characters themselves that is the different story. You have to see it from their view, not ours. In their shoes, they have to prove it. They have to show it when it is challenged. Only then can it succeed.

She does not have confidence on herself, there has some parts that she showed it like on Sasori's fight but because she was fighting for Naruto and did not realized it, chyo-baa realized but she not, hence her words on the rescue sasuke's arc.
Her problems is "Not enough confidence", "Insecurity", "she has a very low opinion about herself", the same as Kushina.
What made her fall in love with Minato was not the fact that he saved her but the fact that he said "your hair is beautiful" in other words he liked the fact that a man like minato liked her insecurities, that the things she thought as bad for her actually were good for other people like Minato.

I never said anything about Minato saving Kushina as the reason why she fell in love with him. If you read what I posted again I said he proved it to her. That could mean anything.

Read what I said: "I think he has. It just hasn't sunk in yet. Kushina fell in love with Minato as soon as he proved it. Naruto has proved it the same exact way several times and Sakura is still stubborn for one reason or another. Whether she thinks she is burden or because Kishi is stalling. Whatever the case may be."

I never said anything about Minato "saving" Kushina as what you are implying. I just said he has to prove it. And Naruto has proved it, but Sakura is too stubborn thanks to Sasuke...or should I say Kishimoto? Should I mention the bench scene and how maybe this will come into the equation later down the story path? Many NS fans would like to think so. It does seems like an important moment not to pass up.

Be aware that when Minato did it, he only had to do it once.

Also, notice how the "idea vs reality" I stated before plays in this again?

I think not, when you re-read the manga you will understand her will to fight comes from from protecting both Naruto and Sasuke, and it comes from part 1 as well it didnt come from Naruto. When i started looking the things more closely what i see is what Naruto changed on Sakura was her view of him which is different than changing a person.

See, you're just splitting hairs here. "Naruto didn't influences her. Naruto AND Sasuke influenced." Naruto still had a part in influencing her to become better. That's why she became a medic and stopped relying on her good looks and popularity. So she changed, just she has more changing to do. She stopped being self-centered and she started to be a more active role. Is that not changing a person? I think it is. I think that is a big change for her. She also, while arguably still has feelings, hasn't been fan-girling Sasuke anymore.

People change in many different ways and Sakura has change in the way she thinks, looks, and even her own nindo.

Naruto saved her and did a lot of things for her but didnt give a pep talk, he didnt talked to her about the stuff, about what he feels about the things that are happening, he saved her from Sasuke but different than minato he didnt give an inspiring talk, something that change her, when that lover him comes and declared his love it was clear that she thought that no one would confess to her she view herself as a burden to Naruto, she views herself as unatractive that is the reasons why she questionend herself when Sai told her that Naruto loves her.
It's not Sasuke that will change her it's Naruto.

Is that what you want to believe? Do you know what a "pep-talk" is? I am just asking so we are on the same page here.

Let's look at the definition: http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/pep talk
pep talk - a speech of exhortation attempting to instill enthusiasm and determination in a team or staff

http://www.mangapand...chapter-73.html

http://www.mangapand...chapter-74.html

And we got what Don-Kun posted

Spoiler --Click here to view--

These are pep-talks. and a few others I believe, but too lazy to find.

If you mean a conversation about how he feels about her and her confession (He has technically did this, but it wasn't a "pep-talk"), as I said this is going to be something saved for last and you should be aware of this. He thought she was lying. So a "pep-talk" about this situation is not going to work as long as Sasuke is out there.

We also have this undeniable fact that he has tried to give her more pep-talks in the past, but Kakashi stopped Naruto from telling the whole truth. Then the war happened. I am going to say this again, if Kishi were to do this back then then NS would be canon right now, but we all know he won't do this till the end. He won't have Naruto and Sakura sit down and really talk it out because there is too much going on and they still have Sasuke to deal with. Plus the other pairings to deal with.

We also have moments where he could have pep-talked but as some said Naruto still believes Sakura loves Sasuke which is another reason why he has not. I would further the guess and say that Sai's pep-talk is what Naruto's pep-talk would have been. Although I wouldn't technically call them pep-talks as they weren't there to bring their spirits up, but more to tell the truth.

As I said, I think I know what Kishi is thinking. I don't agree with the execution, but I think I know what he is trying to do.

I personally wouldn't call the final conversation a pep-talk either because it's them telling the truth, not to bring their spirits up. It's not like they are down and then Naruto wants to brighten her spirits up. They just have to tell the truth.

BTW, I forgot to mention. Naruto DID influence her to change for the better. It wasn't until Sai told her about the POAL that she started to feel like a burden again. You have Naruto to bring her up and Sai brought her back down. Arguably, Sai became the realist.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 January 2013 - 12:12 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://www.mangapand...chapter-73.html

http://www.mangapand...chapter-74.html

And still did not change her what happened was Sakura acknowledge Naruto this is not the type of talk i tried to say look at what Minato said to Kushina and the implications of that look at how Sakura feels about herself and etc.

She only acknowledge Naruto it didnt changed her, this was an acknowledgment about her her views of Naruto.
it was more like thanks naruto.

you're talking about other stuff i'm talking about a serious business about Sakura, she didnt figure out for herself she's unable to do it, she didnt realized it during her fight with chyo and even with chyio saying those stuff didnt change her, she helped to defeat an akatsuki member and obtain info about orochimaru and still she said "i only do small things".

And later she repeats the same speech.
When sai told her that Naruto loves her.


Based on your thought you likely say "she realize her feelings for Naruto" but how this will happen, it's different she cant magically love Naruto after her business with Sasuke i think she didnt even need this, if Naruto resolves this issue changing Sakura, she will love him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 10:34 PM.