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[WhyDoIWatch]

 

Lol, umm no? Sakura punched Naruto in the gut, and it was a rather tame punch, all it did was bend him over. With Salad, Sakura punched the ground hard enough to cause a giant crater ad cause her house to collapse. They're not even in the same league. 

You missed the part when I said he came back fighting the guy who single handedly destroyed as village and he was obviously in need of medical attention but she still punched him, and did you forget when Sakura punched the ground to get Kakashi? Naruto actually states she could kill him.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

So very late to the party today, apologies, work held me up 

 

Anyways, I agree with what's been said here about these pictures, especially the distance with Naruto and Hinata as well as Sasuke and Sakura, what's that about?

 

I instantly thought of the stark contrast in this pic from the creators of Last Airbender

 

Quite a difference. (o hai toph   )

 

Plus, where's Naruto's signature grin he's supposed to have?

What happened to this dude?

 

On another note, I can't get over how much I'm starting to dislike Bolt's character. This picture as well as the recent chapter just makes him out to be an annoying brat. Sure he acts like Naruto, but that was somewhat endearing since Naruto was actually an underdog character. There really isn't any point in making the same character over again.

 

In retrospective, it's actually something I can praise DBZ for now. It was actually a good thing to not make Gohan a carbon copy of Goku when he could have easily been.

That Naruto was taken out back and put down.

[Swagkura]

Does anyone know when is the next chapter of Naruto gaiden going to come out? I don't expect much from it, but it would be funny as hell if Sarada turns out to be Karin's daughter .

Week after next I think.

[WhyDoIWatch]

Does anyone know when is the next chapter of Naruto gaiden going to come out? I don't expect much from it, but it would be funny as hell if Sarada turns out to be Karin's daughter .

Next week is Golden Week so after two weeks...

[Tiller]

yeah. how about we stop with the "hinatakittens" and sasuke jabs.

I've been bashing Hinata and Sasuke since 2009, I'm not going to stop now considering they both deserve it even more now. Those two characters and their fans ruined this story more then any other single construct. Sure Kishimoto decided to do it, but if it wasn't for the economic rewards because of those two characters fan base it wouldn't have happened. And I'm not about to stop now. This story is crap, and continues to be crap. As far as I'm concerned it the job of every anti to remind the pros this point at every corner.

 

The only good thing about this latest chapter is it is showing the SS diehards what we antis have been saying for awhile, many of us for years, that Kishimoto is a terrible creator who has no idea what he is doing on a fundamental level. I'm not going to stop just because a few pro people are getting their feelings hurt based on legitimate criticism.

 

And further commenting on Hinata and Sasuke's looks if perfectly legitimate since it is the main positive trait about them, for the majority of their supporters. Like I said far to many people are more concerned about how the characters look instead of their actual personalities and character arcs. That's how we got all this kitten in the first place, and a story with a great premise was ruined. All so the fanboys and fangirls could imagine their self insert having sex with the "hot" character.

 

Take away Hinata's submissive nature and her DD's, as well as Sasuke's good looks and their fandom would fall faster then the stock market in 1929.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like the Gaiden is a testament to remaining fans to see if they can tell Kishi's bad writing. If they can't, then cha-ching! If so, well, welcome.

[AHK]

You missed the part when I said he came back fighting the guy who single handedly destroyed as village and he was obviously in need of medical attention but she still punched him, and did you forget when Sakura punched the ground to get Kakashi? Naruto actually states she could kill him.

Once again it was a light punch, it didn't do anything to Naruto. With Kakashi, the punch occurred within a regulated training session where Kakashi stated that "you'll only be able to beat me if you're trying to kill me."

Comparisons to the two situations are absurd.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Not U acting like Sakura was wrong in what she said. EVERYTHING Naruto did makes Sakura's faults seem small.Pretending to love her because of a rivalry trumps everything she did. Sakura told the truth . He's a retard

Said this multiple times, pretty much done saying it, so thanks for doing the work for me 

[Tiller]

I feel like the Gaiden is a testament to remaining fans to see if they can tell Kishi's bad writing. If they can't, then cha-ching! If so, well, welcome.

Exactly. All those bs arguments for 6 months about "Respect Kishimoto he made this canon, it's our duty to honor him! He worked hard on it, and we must respect him! Your just "salty" if you criticizes Kishimoto and his genius!"

 

Now when the reality has been shown (an argument I've been making since the end of the Pain Arc) that Kishimoto is a terrible creator directly to them by having them "attack" SS in their own eyes, only know are they ready to see the truth. Now we know Kishimoto BELIEVES that what he is doing is writing compelling characteristics for both Sakura and Sasuke, but because he has no talent instead he has further damaged them even worst then they were before hand. Anyone with a bit of connection to the human condition understand how terrible SS is, and now finally some of SS see's it as well. Who knew it wouldn't be murder and mind rape, but 13 years of abandonment that would do it. Better late then never.

 

I just hope this whole fandom burns, and Kishimoto continues to use all the subtlety of a wrecking ball as normal.

 

The really sad thing is that when the SS wedding does happen, a large portion will forgive him because "OMG SASUKE IS SO HOT!! AND LOOK AT SAKURA GOD THE SMEX MUST BE GREAT!!!"

[luffyq1]

I've been bashing Hinata and Sasuke since 2009, I'm not going to stop now considering they both deserve it even more now. Those two characters and their fans ruined this story more then any other single construct. Sure Kishimoto decided to do it, but if it wasn't for the economic rewards because of those two characters fan base it wouldn't have happened. And I'm not about to stop now. This story is crap, and continues to be crap. As far as I'm concerned it the job of every anti to remind the pros this point at every corner.

 

The only good thing about this latest chapter is it is showing the SS diehards what we antis have been saying for awhile, many of us for years, that Kishimoto is a terrible creator who has no idea what he is doing on a fundamental level. I'm not going to stop just because a few pro people are getting their feelings hurt based on legitimate criticism.

 

And further commenting on Hinata and Sasuke's looks if perfectly legitimate since it is the main positive trait about them, for the majority of their supporters. Like I said far to many people are more concerned about how the characters look instead of their actual personalities and character arcs. That's how we got all this bullsh** in the first place, and a story with a great premise was ruined. All so the fanboys and fangirls could imagine their self insert having sex with the "hot" character.

 

Take away Hinata's submissive nature and her DD's, as well as Sasuke's good looks and their fandom would fall faster then the stock market in 1929.

listening to the fans is kishi's fault, he's the one with no integrity. characters with no will don't deserve to be bashed. i admit that i slammed obito pretty hard, but i'll stop because it's not right. kishi is the one with theses twisted ideas for his characters, not the characters themselves. 

[griff142]

I've been bashing Hinata and Sasuke since 2009, I'm not going to stop now considering they both deserve it even more now. Those two characters and their fans ruined this story more then any other single construct. Sure Kishimoto decided to do it, but if it wasn't for the economic rewards because of those two characters fan base it wouldn't have happened. And I'm not about to stop now. This story is crap, and continues to be crap. As far as I'm concerned it the job of every anti to remind the pros this point at every corner.
 
The only good thing about this latest chapter is it is showing the SS diehards what we antis have been saying for awhile, many of us for years, that Kishimoto is a terrible creator who has no idea what he is doing on a fundamental level. I'm not going to stop just because a few pro people are getting their feelings hurt based on legitimate criticism.
 
And further commenting on Hinata and Sasuke's looks if perfectly legitimate since it is the main positive trait about them, for the majority of their supporters. Like I said far to many people are more concerned about how the characters look instead of their actual personalities and character arcs. That's how we got all this bullsh** in the first place, and a story with a great premise was ruined. All so the fanboys and fangirls could imagine their self insert having sex with the "hot" character.
 
Take away Hinata's submissive nature and her DD's, as well as Sasuke's good looks and their fandom would fall faster then the stock market in 1929.

Agreed. The fans of NH and SS help ruined the series. Sasuke was cool to me at first until he acted like a punk and think he was higher than everybody. Heck Hinata was alright with me then until the fans thought she was a goddess. She was a side character you idiots! My believe now is that fans think they can change the story if they support a particular fandom or idea. By God if they do this I will fight them in the street because they are done ruining good stories with they're selfish ways. If not fixed, I fear Kishimoto may have started something that can destroy future stories but I have faith other creators havery more sense than this.

[Tiller]

listening to the fans is kishi's fault, he's the one with no integrity. characters with no will don't deserve to be bashed. i admit that i slammed obito pretty hard, but i'll stop because it's not right. kishi is the one with theses twisted ideas for his characters, not the characters themselves. 

The characters themselves aren't people, they are constructs. I don't feel bad about bashing them and their stupid characteristic anymore then I feel guilty about bashing any other fictional construct.

 

Hinata and Sasuke deserve what they get just as much as their creator gets bash, they are nothing more then extensions of his imagination. His story is horrible, his characters are horrible, his plot and themes are terrible, and the way he ruined what was once a great set up for a story should continued to be bashed.

 

When people bash Hinata and Sasuke they are bashing Kishimoto because they are his creations. Of course listening to the fans is Kishimoto's fault, who the hells fault is it if not Kishimoto? All of this is Kishimot's fault. He made all of this to increase his profits as best possible. His fans like Hinata and Sasuke because of their LOOKS, and there is nothing wrong with stating that outright and loudly.

Edited by Tiller, 26 April 2015 - 01:34 AM.

[AHK]

listening to the fans is kishi's fault, he's the one with no integrity. characters with no will don't deserve to be bashed. i admit that i slammed obito pretty hard, but i'll stop because it's not right. kishi is the one with theses twisted ideas for his characters, not the characters themselves. 

It's perfectly fine for you to slam Obito, don't feel sorry for it. Just as its not wrong to like characters, its not wrong for you to slam characters that you hate. You, as a reader, don't identify with the author, you identify with the characters. Critique whoever the hell you want. There's nothing wrong with it. 

[ThroughWithLove]

You missed the part when I said he came back fighting the guy who single handedly destroyed as village and he was obviously in need of medical attention but she still punched him, and did you forget when Sakura punched the ground to get Kakashi? Naruto actually states she could kill him.

 

Sakura (the real Sakura, not the gutter trash of a character that replaced her) has two different kinds of anger. The anger she showed there was the 'tender' kind Sai had referred to so long ago. She hit him, sure, but it was with affection. He had worried her immensely with his recklessness and no one (including Hinata) would've taken it harder had something happened to him. Naruto wasn't damaged by the blow and someone of Sakura's credentials would've made sure hit him in a way where any damage was superficial.

 

Of course, the real Sakura. The fake Sakura is a complete psycho for hitting somebody who saved the village despite not really giving a crap about him.

[WhyDoIWatch]

I've been bashing Hinata and Sasuke since 2009, I'm not going to stop now considering they both deserve it even more now. Those two characters and their fans ruined this story more then any other single construct. Sure Kishimoto decided to do it, but if it wasn't for the economic rewards because of those two characters fan base it wouldn't have happened. And I'm not about to stop now. This story is crap, and continues to be crap. As far as I'm concerned it the job of every anti to remind the pros this point at every corner.

 

The only good thing about this latest chapter is it is showing the SS diehards what we antis have been saying for awhile, many of us for years, that Kishimoto is a terrible creator who has no idea what he is doing on a fundamental level. I'm not going to stop just because a few pro people are getting their feelings hurt based on legitimate criticism.

 

And further commenting on Hinata and Sasuke's looks if perfectly legitimate since it is the main positive trait about them, for the majority of their supporters. Like I said far to many people are more concerned about how the characters look instead of their actual personalities and character arcs. That's how we got all this bullsh** in the first place, and a story with a great premise was ruined. All so the fanboys and fangirls could imagine their self insert having sex with the "hot" character.

 

Take away Hinata's submissive nature and her DD's, as well as Sasuke's good looks and their fandom would fall faster then the stock market in 1929.

lol, Hinata and Sasuke didn't ruin the story. Hinata is irrelevant to anything that is not paring related while Sasuke didn't ruin anything, problems related to him like Naruto's obsession and Kishi's obsession over his clan does not make him a "significant" factor in ruining Naruto.

 

Regarding "self-inserts" that can be applied to all the major parings (NH, NS, SS) and all the major character's fanbase would reduce if you took away their "good looks", honestly that's a cheap way to diminish a character by thinking a single shallow quality is why they're liked a lot.

[luffyq1]

The characters themselves aren't people, they are constructs. I don't feel bad about bashing them and their stupid characteristic anymore then I feel guilty about bashing any other fictional construct.

 

Hinata and Sasuke deserve what they get just as much as their creator gets bash, they are nothing more then extensions of his imagination. His story is horrible, his characters are horrible, his plot and themes are terrible, and the way he ruined what was once a great set up for a story should continued to be bashed.

 

When people bash Hinata and Sasuke they are bashing Kishimoto because they are his creations. And listening to the fans is Kishimoto's fault, who the hells fault is it if not Kishimoto? He made all of this to increase his profits as best possible. His fans like Hinata and Sasuke because of their LOOKS, and there is nothing wrong with stating that outright and loudly.

so what. it's wrong to bash the characters on this site because it's against the rules. iirc the only reason why the mods have been letting us get away with it is because they feel that after the ending we should vent our frustration. 

 

It's perfectly fine for you to slam Obito, don't feel sorry for it. Just as its not wrong to like characters, its not wrong for you to slam characters that you hate. You, as a reader, don't identify with the author, you identify with the characters. Critique whoever the hell you want. There's nothing wrong with it. 

no it's not fine. criticism is fine, but bashing isn't. the author controls the characters, not the other way around.

[ThroughWithLove]

lol, Hinata and Sasuke didn't ruin the story. Hinata is irrelevant to anything that is not paring related while Sasuke didn't ruin anything, problems related to him like Naruto's obsession and Kishi's obsession over his clan does not make him a "significant" factor in ruining Naruto.

 

Regarding "self-inserts" that can be applied to all the major parings (NH, NS, SS) and all the major character's fanbase would reduce if you took away their "good looks", honestly that's a cheap way to diminish a character by thinking a single shallow quality is why they're liked a lot.

In my personal experience in engaging other fans, the logic behind their justifications for NH and SS generally boils down to what they would do if they were characters. Really, it was mainly the NS pointing to the events in the story and how they make sense for what the characters are likely. Of course, none of us would've ever suspected that all of that would get swept to the side.

[Tiller]

so what. it's wrong to bash the characters on this site because it's against the rules. iirc the only reason why the mods have been letting us get away with it is because they feel that after the ending we should vent our frustration. 

 

no it's not fine. criticism is fine, but bashing isn't. the author controls the characters, not the other way around.

 

The characters are nothing but an extension of the author, they are not real people. They should be open game the same way bashing the plot and theme of this story should be open game. Characters are nothing more then literary devices. The problems with them in the story should not be ignored, they aren't real people.

 

What all of us are doing here is giving our opinions of a literary piece. I'm not going to give Kishimoto a pass by pretending Hinata and Sasuke are real life people who's feelings I could possible ever hurt.

[AHK]

so what. it's wrong to bash the characters on this site because it's against the rules. iirc the only reason why the mods have been letting us get away with it is because they feel that after the ending we should vent our frustration. 

 

no it's not fine. criticism is fine, but bashing isn't. the author controls the characters, not the other way around.

As long as you're criticism doesn't involve Obito's kittens being too small (looks at all the Hinata fanboys that hate Sakura) then its fine. You never said anything that wasn't mindless bashing, you always brought up legitimate things about obito. 

 

It's part of the rhetoric triangle: 

 

 

The author uses his story as a vehicle of communication to the audience, and the audience responds by critiquing the work of the author through the characters and devices he employs. 

[Narufan85]

Said this multiple times, pretty much done saying it, so thanks for doing the work for me 

If we take the rivalry thing from the movie as canon then we need to do the same with Sakura's comments that she could never stop loving Sasuke. That means she lied to Naruto.

Either way, this argument is stupid. Both characters suck. It isn't a competition to see who is worse.

Also, can we not use such offensive language? It wouldn't be cool to use the N-word here.