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[Serenity Namikaze]

ahah good one Slextrem , best way to resolve the problem, post a humoric video that show the present situation lol

I think the fandom is ok now but let's keep this video near for next chapter, just in case

[T XD]

Alright, so this video is intended for the Brony fandom of My Little Pony, but it reminded me of what's going on in our fandom right now.



Posting this for some LOLs.

So true XD

[Don-kun]

James S Cassidy
Epic post you point out a lot of reason why we believe NS will be the end pairing.

Alright, so this video is intended for the Brony fandom of My Little Pony, but it reminded me of what's going on in our fandom right now.



Posting this for some LOLs.

Thanks for reminding me those sweet moment I have here, to finally being able to have that sweet satisfying smile inside of me when reading a post.

[James S Cassidy]

It other words to put it more simple. Since the story is almost reaching the finish line, Kishi is going to throw the opposite fans one final bone before he finishes it with his pairing of choice.

Exactly how I think Kishi is setting up his plan for fan services.

But, that doesn't mean we won't see NH moments or SS moments and interactions from them in the future chapters. Everyone should expect this, really. Plus, that doesn't mean a threat to NS every time we see Naruto and Hinata talking and same goes to Sasuke and Sakura ( cause in the reunion, we'll definitely see them talking together or something). The most high interaction between Naruto and Hinata has been done as we saw in ch.615, cause what more else can Naruto do with her than holding her hand.

Bingo. You guys win the prize. XD

It is exactly what we have been saying since this thread started, but no one wanted to believe. I am expecting the "NH moments" to occur; I am expecting "SS moments" to occur. That's why I am not surprised what the next chapter is going to bring. I would be more surprised if nothing happened the next chapter and turned out to be smoke and mirrors.

I still don't agree with how it was executed, but still I understand what he is doing.

@Slextrem. Yeah that video pretty much described everything. Very funny.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 January 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[Don-kun]

I also want to point out something I read from some user, the fact that Naruto has not acknowledge Sakura, well the thing is Sasuke needs to acknowledge Sakura at some point the same goes for Naruto, depending on with pairing Kishi will make canon (I need to remind you that I'm positive that it will be NS) Sakura will get her final acknowledgement by that person.

That's my take on the situation, I feel that if Naruto point out how much of an amazing person she his and how much of a better person she help him to become, Sakura might tackle him and start kissing him,
Don't believe me just OK, just check on this small sample.





Sakura actions clearly tell us that she could very well be falling for Naruto, but that is something she needs to admit to herself.

[T XD]

Anyone else feeling the refreshing sensation in the forum right now ? XD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Anyone else feeling the refreshing sensation in the forum right now ? XD

I wont get my hopes high until the next chapters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[Don-kun]

I wont get my hopes high until the next chapters.

I'm not worry about the next chapter, since I don't know how it will go, so I choose to remain positive about the outcome, but I believe T XD is referring to the positive aura in the forums, is nice to face reality but at the same time it's even nicer to have optimistic approach or positive speculation about a good resolution of the paring we love.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Now this is what i call a debate thread! nice and friendly!

Anyone else feeling the refreshing sensation in the forum right now ? XD

but I believe T XD is referring to the positive aura in the forums

There is a very real reason for this current peaceful feeling, after days and days of angst and negativity.

[Codus N]

BTW, who ever did that thing about the romantic handhold was brilliant. I never noticed that Naruto is holding Hinata's hand palm to back of hand. If it was suppose to be romantic, why not make it palm to palm with fingers intertwined. In fact, I would even go as far to say that Hinata isn't even trying to hold his hand. She is just limp. Very similar to how Kurama-Naruto held Kakashi's hand to toss and transfer chakra.

I think Hinata is trying to be romantic, but Naruto's isn't. Which is how past events unfolded.

Anyway, sidetracked. Likewise, Sakura...couldn't Sakura change her feelings as well? Couldn't she also feel something different? People want to assume that only Naruto can change his opinion, but never want to think anyone else can change.

I want to add: If no one changes their view, then no couple is canon.

I want to ask this, what if NS happened in Part 1? If NS became canon in part one, then there would be no POAL, most of the drama in the entire manga would be cut-out and the whole time would just be Dragonball Z-type fighting. (Villain comes, Hero beats him, over.) The drama is there to give moments like these. The drama is there so we can have threads like these and I think Kishi knows this. I don't always agree on the way he executes such drama, but I know why he does it. People call it bias, I call it being realistic. How many other manga follow this same exact type of pattern? Tons. Tons and tons of it with love triangles.

Sakura and Hinata did have one thing in common. Hinata is in love with the idea of Naruto as Sakura was in love with the idea of Sasuke. The playing field has changed and while I believe Hinata has not changed her "idea" of Naruto, Sakura has changed her "idea" of Sasuke. She has realized that he is not everything her original idea was. She is realizing that Sasuke is not the idea man she made him out to be, but the idea man she thought of was in Naruto this whole time. A "Great guy."

Is Sasuke a "Great guy?" I think the answer is obvious.

Boss post as always ALL HAIL KING JAMES!!!

Now then, my take on your post:

First of all, I did not notice that hand-holding thing you pointed out . Now that I think about it, it makes some sense (we could still be wrong though, just reminding). You're right. If Kishi truly intended it to be romantic, it would've been the way you said it would be. "Cause if you truly think about it, this is really right up Kishi's alley. Completely misdirecting us in such a devious way that no one would figure out (except for the very eagle-eyed readers). Or in other words, outright trolling us upside down and sideways

On the second point, while I understand it's necessary for the drama, I think Kishi could've created some other kind of drama without needing to resort to shipping wars. Take a look at FT. Mashima confirms at least ONE pairing will be canon by the end of the series, and yet, that doesn't take away the drama of the series. There are plenty of other drama in the series without needing to resort to shipping stuff. In fact, it's as you've said, if people didn't focus so much on the pairings, they would be more focused on the PLOT. And this is what I think FT has done successfully.

The final point: That is so very much true. It really widens the difference between Hinata and Sakura.

Lastly, I agree that the current situation is so much like Love Hina in the last leg of its run. The girl the protagonist wants believes he's in love with someone else. Which is probably what Sakura will think after this. It's funny. In the Kage Summit arc, it was the complete opposite. Now that I think about it, this feels familiar to RtN. This time, Sakura will be the one in Naruto's position from Part I to Kage Summit arc. I do wonder if she'll have an epiphany.

If Kishi plays this right, it would definitely come out almost perfect. I do hope he does.

A scenario I could see happening is that Sakura distances herself from him, leading to a rift between them. This rift will eventually cause them to confront their feelings.

P.S.: I'd also like to bring up something else. It's regarding one of your most recent posts. The one where you were talking about the negativity in this thread.

I'd like to make something clear about my position. I know you didn't direct it at me, but I'd just like to say something.

First of all, while it is fine for everyone to stay positive and optimist, one also needs to have a healthy dose of it. Too much optimism can come back and bite you in the ass. As far as I've been reading in this thread, some optimists are going a bit too far. To be honest, what I'm seeing from the "optimists" in this thread is that they are not hoping rather, they are expecting . Big difference. To me, that reeks of overconfidence if not arrogant.

I'll put it simple like this:

Do I wish for NS to happen?? Yes.

Do I hope this is all just a big troll from the author?? Yes.

Do I hope that we were proven right (with all the theories here)?? Yes.

Do I expect all of the above to happen?? No.

Trust me, even if those were not these people's intentions, it comes off as that way to me.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This is not a new practice.

I want to emphasis this again. I was once a NH fan because I thought it was cute how she was as a child, but when I saw the relationship between Naruto and Sakura, when I saw how similar they both are and how comical they both were with each other I knew they were going to get together. That's why I changed. Hinata would be with Naruto in a heartbeat without knowing who is he really is and how he behaves. All she knows is his Nindo, but nothing else. She just doesn't know because she hasn't tried to get to know him as a person. Sakura has the advantage because she saw Naruto at his worst and she liked him then. She just didn't want to admit it because she wanted to be popular. It's like High School with the girl who want to be popular. After a while, they realize that is not what life is about. Sakura even spent time with Naruto on a regular day with the wars, violence, and missions and look how it went. She wanted to help him and feed him, but to comical relief Sai beat her to it.

Sakura and Hinata did have one thing in common. Hinata is in love with the idea of Naruto as Sakura was in love with the idea of Sasuke. The playing has changed and while I believe Hinata has no changed her "idea" of Naruto, Sakura has changed her "idea" of Sasuke. She has realized that he is not everything her original idea was. She is realizing that Sasuke is not the idea man she made him out to be, but the idea man she thought of was in Naruto this whole time. A "Great guy."

Is Sasuke a "Great guy?" I think the answer is obvious.

I have to disagree with you on this part.

Both Sakura and Hinata are in love, idea or whatever does not change or decreases it.
The difference is Sakura is complicated she loves Sasuke but have feelings for Naruto and the "great guy" stuff is to show that Sasuke does not deserve her love, but still she loves him the whole problem about Sakura is she thinks she's a bad person and does not deserve Naruto's love she thinks she did nothing for him and she's only a burden to him, doing mistakes, and relying on him all the time.
I think for Naruto to win sakura's love and NS to be canon mirrors the whole "red thread of fate" Naruto has to open Sakura's eyes and realize that she's not a bad person and that she did a lot of stuff for him and he loves her, he have to make her be grow confidence about herself, in other words Naruto has to do with Sakura what Minato did with Kushina.
Sakura thinks low about herself and Naruto has to change that, i think this is the only possible way for her to fully love him.

In other words Naruto did not change Sakura yet.
Sakura has the same problems that Kushina had.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 07:14 PM.

[Don-kun]

Boss post as always ALL HAIL KING JAMES!!!

Now then, my take on your post:

First of all, I did not notice that hand-holding thing you pointed out . Now that I think about it, it makes some sense (we could still be wrong though, just reminding). You're right. If Kishi truly intended it to be romantic, it would've been the way you said it would be. "Cause if you truly think about it, this is really right up Kishi's alley. Completely misdirecting us in such a devious way that no one would figure out (except for the very eagle-eyed readers). Or in other words, outright trolling us upside down and sideways

On the second point, while I understand it's necessary for the drama, I think Kishi could've created some other kind of drama without needing to resort to shipping wars. Take a look at FT. Mashima confirms at least ONE pairing will be canon by the end of the series, and yet, that doesn't take away the drama of the series. There are plenty of other drama in the series without needing to resort to shipping stuff. In fact, it's as you've said, if people didn't focus so much on the pairings, they would be more focused on the PLOT. And this is what I think FT has done successfully.

The final point: That is so very much true. It really widens the difference between Hinata and Sakura.

Lastly, I agree that the current situation is so much like Love Hina in the last leg of its run. The girl the protagonist wants believes he's in love with someone else. Which is probably what Sakura will think after this. It's funny. In the Kage Summit arc, it was the complete opposite. Now that I think about it, this feels familiar to RtN. This time, Sakura will be the one in Naruto's position from Part I to Kage Summit arc. I do wonder if she'll have an epiphany.

If Kishi plays this right, it would definitely come out almost perfect. I do hope he does.

A scenario I could see happening is that Sakura distances herself from him, leading to a rift between them. This rift will eventually cause them to confront their feelings.

P.S.: I'd also like to bring up something else. It's regarding one of your most recent posts. The one where you were talking about the negativity in this thread.

I'd like to make something clear about my position. I know you didn't direct it at me, but I'd just like to say something.

First of all, while it is fine for everyone to stay positive and optimist, one also needs to have a healthy dose of it. Too much optimism can come back and bite you in the ass. As far as I've been reading in this thread, some optimists are going a bit too far. To be honest, what I'm seeing from the "optimists" in this thread is that they are not hoping rather, they are expecting . Big difference. To me, that reeks of overconfidence if not arrogant.

I'll put it simple like this:

Do I wish for NS to happen?? Yes.

Do I hope this is all just a big troll from the author?? Yes.

Do I hope that we were proven right (with all the theories here)?? Yes.

Do I expect all of the above to happen?? No.

Trust me, even if those were not these people's intentions, it comes off as that way to me.

I believe I was the one who pointed that out, I stated that if Kishi didn't want it to be taking in a romantic light then Naruto should of hold Hinata's hand in a different manner, the problems was that when Reddragon posted that DA link and I re-read back the chapter, Kishi did make Naruto hold her hand lets say not in a full and mutual romantic way, (in other words they were not holding each others hand). Sadly after that someone asked me if it matter how Naruto holds her hand, but to my believe it was a big deal.

About your last point, I always wonder why NS fans where hated so much by the opposition and non pairing fans, people even says that NS fans are so confident and arrogant that they wish that the pairing gets crushed by Kishimoto. So after reading that part of your post I realized that our fandom is not hated because of the fan tards since the amount of them if really small compared to the most civil and mature behaving NS fans, now I'm positive that the NS fan club is hated because of the optimism and extreme confidence the fandom haves.

[StriderC]

Boss post as always ALL HAIL KING JAMES!!!

Now then, my take on your post:

First of all, I did not notice that hand-holding thing you pointed out . Now that I think about it, it makes some sense (we could still be wrong though, just reminding). You're right. If Kishi truly intended it to be romantic, it would've been the way you said it would be. "Cause if you truly think about it, this is really right up Kishi's alley. Completely misdirecting us in such a devious way that no one would figure out (except for the very eagle-eyed readers). Or in other words, outright trolling us upside down and sideways

On the second point, while I understand it's necessary for the drama, I think Kishi could've created some other kind of drama without needing to resort to shipping wars. Take a look at FT. Mashima confirms at least ONE pairing will be canon by the end of the series, and yet, that doesn't take away the drama of the series. There are plenty of other drama in the series without needing to resort to shipping stuff. In fact, it's as you've said, if people didn't focus so much on the pairings, they would be more focused on the PLOT. And this is what I think FT has done successfully.

The final point: That is so very much true. It really widens the difference between Hinata and Sakura.

Lastly, I agree that the current situation is so much like Love Hina in the last leg of its run. The girl the protagonist wants believes he's in love with someone else. Which is probably what Sakura will think after this. It's funny. In the Kage Summit arc, it was the complete opposite. Now that I think about it, this feels familiar to RtN. This time, Sakura will be the one in Naruto's position from Part I to Kage Summit arc. I do wonder if she'll have an epiphany.

If Kishi plays this right, it would definitely come out almost perfect. I do hope he does.

A scenario I could see happening is that Sakura distances herself from him, leading to a rift between them. This rift will eventually cause them to confront their feelings.

P.S.: I'd also like to bring up something else. It's regarding one of your most recent posts. The one where you were talking about the negativity in this thread.

I'd like to make something clear about my position. I know you didn't direct it at me, but I'd just like to say something.

First of all, while it is fine for everyone to stay positive and optimist, one also needs to have a healthy dose of it. Too much optimism can come back and bite you in the ass. As far as I've been reading in this thread, some optimists are going a bit too far. To be honest, what I'm seeing from the "optimists" in this thread is that they are not hoping rather, they are expecting . Big difference. To me, that reeks of overconfidence if not arrogant.

I'll put it simple like this:

Do I wish for NS to happen?? Yes.

Do I hope this is all just a big troll from the author?? Yes.

Do I hope that we were proven right (with all the theories here)?? Yes.

Do I expect all of the above to happen?? No.

Trust me, even if those were not these people's intentions, it comes off as that way to me.

Yeah... I'm guilty of doing the bolded. Hell, I'm probably the one you're referring to. I'm definitely expecting giving everything that's happened until now, and if it doesn't happen, I won't lose any sleep. If NS doesn't happen, and NH does, that's nice, but I just hope SS stays buried underground.

Also, I don't know if we're hated over our confidence. I mean, have you seen the NH fans calling "canon" already? LOL

Edited by StriderC, 04 January 2013 - 08:13 PM.

[Qia]

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The confession:

Everyone wants to use this against NS, but we have several things that Sakura said that make it so she is not a liar. 1. She said she didn't want to make any mistakes. Lying is a pretty big one. 2. She said she KNEW what Naruto's answer was going to be, yet she did it anyway...Why? I smell miss-direction. I think she wanted people to think she was lying and wanted Naruto to hate her because if she killed Sasuke then she wouldn't need to feel the sting of betraying Naruto. She wanted him to hate her now because she was going to do something horrible and she felt she didn't deserve his love. She felt that she didn't deserve Naruto to love her especially when she was going to kill the one thing that tied them together.

I know what she was thinking. She wanted to distance herself not for her sake, but for Naruto's. She wanted Naruto to be happy and stop suffering. She is not stupid. Instead she just wanted to make things easier on him. She felt it would have been better if Sasuke was dead and she distanced herself because she felt like she was so selfish. That's a heroine moment if I have ever seen one. She was willing to give up her happiness for his. Does this mean SS is canon? No. In fact, the opposite. It means that NS is a lot more stronger than NH and SS combined simply because Sakura was willing to forgo her own well being. People said the same thing about Hinata during the Pein Confession and I say it is the same here. Just she was willing to give up more than her life.

Naruto however proved her wrong and that Naruto's feelings for her were not a product of POAL or something, but the opposite. That's why Kakashi said a big burden was lifted off Naruto. He doesn't need to fight for Sakura's affection anymore. He got it. Now all he needs to do is save his friend. Some will say the burden was the POAL. Yeah, but what was the purpose of the POAL? To gain Sakura's affection and to bring his friend back. Now he just has to focus on one thing.

The biggest issue now is the speeches that people have given. What I call the "He said, she said" schtick and some of you are playing a double standard. "Sai said that Sakura still loves Sasuke," but he also said Naruto loves Sakura. So when he says Naruto loves Sakura he is lying, but when he says "Sakura loves Sasuke" he is telling the truth? Which is it? Then we got Naruto who tells Sakura he can't stand liars, which people say Naruto is calling Sakura a liar so she must be lying. So it must be true. Okay, but Naruto told Sai that he still loves Sakura. Is that true? To some Naruto is just being stupid and that "he really loved Hinata." What if he was being stupid about accusing Sakura lying as well? He lied to the Bridge Builder that there was no love triangle, yet tells Sai he still loves Sakura.

So who is right? And in all of this does Hinata play a part? Not one bit. She doesn't even get mentioned nor cross Naruto's mind and this was all AFTER her confession. Strange huh? Not as strange to me given how Naruto loves Sakura.

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Oh gosh this is probably old news by now, but I did a small analysis on Sakura's confession on Tumblr. Do you mind if I add this in? Because the way you phrased this was great !

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have to disagree with you on this part.

Both Sakura and Hinata are in love, idea or whatever does not change or decreases it.
The difference is Sakura is complicated she loves Sasuke but have feelings for Naruto and the "great guy" stuff is to show that Sasuke does not deserve her love, but still she loves him the whole problem about Sakura is she thinks she's a bad person and does not deserve Naruto's love she thinks she did nothing for him and she's only a burden to him, doing mistakes, and relying on him all the time.
I think for Naruto to win sakura's love and NS to be canon mirrors the whole "red thread of fate" Naruto has to open Sakura's eyes and realize that she's not a bad person and that she did a lot of stuff for him and he loves her, he have to make her be grow confidence about herself, in other words Naruto has to do with Sakura what Minato did with Kushina.
Sakura thinks low about herself and Naruto has to change that, i think this is the only possible way for her to fully love him.

In other words Naruto did not change Sakura yet.
Sakura has the same problems that Kushina had.

@James i hope you can answer this.
Looking forward for your opinion.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 08:30 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I have to disagree with you on this part.

If you wish.

Both Sakura and Hinata are in love, idea or whatever does not change or decreases it.

It does if you mix the reality portion of it in there. This is heavily emphasized with the Lover-nin scene and how Sakura is coming to realize something. Why would you throw that kind of comparison out there if the "idea" of it wasn't in question or has no altering? I think this is more in case with Sakura in the book as we can see her constantly comparing the two in her mind. Maybe not at the same time, but there are scenes where she did compare. Look at the Gaara arc when Sakura was thanking Sasuke and Sasuke said it was Naruto. Sakura didn't believe it at first, but she realized it and that was when things changed. That's when she started to notice for the first time that Naruto was more than her original idea of him trying to keep her from Sasuke and a nuisance.

The motif of idea vs reality is always a present thing and every character has been through it as least once. What you expect and what is real are always going to change your opinion. It could even be implied to how Naruto first saw Sai and hated the idea of him, but soon learned to accept him because the reality is Sai was much more different than at first glance.

I will alter one thing though: The "Hinata idealized Naruto" is more of my own interpretation and not something the manga really stresses on. The fact that Hinata idolizes Naruto and wants to follow his nindo is clear indication of this, but there is a lack of info in that we don't know how Hinata really would react to Naruto as a person. Even now Hinata is fantasizing about Naruto's hand. This is the ideal of it. The truth was Naruto wavered and thus he is fallible, but Hinata doesn't see that. She thinks he is always perfect and flawless. At least his nindo point of view. Even Sakura pointed out the times when Naruto was wrong.

The difference is Sakura is complicated she loves Sasuke but have feelings for Naruto and the "great guy" stuff is to show that Sasuke does not deserve her love, but still she loves him the whole problem about Sakura is she thinks she's a bad person and does not deserve Naruto's love she thinks she did nothing for him and she's only a burden to him, doing mistakes, and relying on him all the time.
I think for Naruto to win sakura's love and NS to be canon mirrors the whole "red thread of fate" Naruto has to open Sakura's eyes and realize that she's not a bad person and that she did a lot of stuff for him and he loves her, he have to make her be grow confidence about herself, in other words Naruto has to do with Sakura what Minato did with Kushina.
Sakura thinks low about herself and Naruto has to change that, i think this is the only possible way for her to fully love him.

I think both Naruto and Sakura need to prove their love to each other in the final moments. Naruto needs to listen for once and stop being so closed minded while Sakura needs to stop thinking she is a burden. As I did say she thinks she is a burden, it doesn't alter the fact that none of this will be realized until Sasuke comes back into the picture. Until then, Kishi will continue to make them brush it all off.

They have to prove to each other that what they have is real and the best possibly point to do it is to see Sakura stand up to Sasuke before Naruto. To make that choice right there and never regret. That's how I see it unfolding. Speculation of course.

Even though in reality, the guy and girl would have realized their feelings by now. What I said is true, but the problem is as I said is that Kishi is stalling. He purposely makes them both that way not because their character really would feel that way, but because Kishi is forcing those thoughts into them. You know what I am saying? It's like if Sakura and Naruto were real people, these kind of emotions really wouldn't be like that, but because Kishi controls them he is forcing them to go OoC until the time comes.

In other words Naruto did not change Sakura yet.
Sakura has the same problems that Kushina had.

I think he has. It just hasn't sunk in yet. Kushina fell in love with Minato as soon as he proved it. Naruto has proved it the same exact way several times and Sakura is still stubborn for one reason or another. Whether she thinks she is burden or because Kishi is stalling. Whatever the case maybe.

P.S.: I'd also like to bring up something else. It's regarding one of your most recent posts. The one where you were talking about the negativity in this thread.

I'd like to make something clear about my position. I know you didn't direct it at me, but I'd just like to say something.


First of all, while it is fine for everyone to stay positive and optimist, one also needs to have a healthy dose of it. Too much optimism can come back and bite you in the ass. As far as I've been reading in this thread, some optimists are going a bit too far. To be honest, what I'm seeing from the "optimists" in this thread is that they are not hoping rather, they are expecting . Big difference. To me, that reeks of overconfidence if not arrogant.

Codus...the post was to point at the wrong of both parties: optimist and pessimist.

No offense, but even now you are still blaming the optimists for starting a fight and being too "arrogant." No, from the way I saw it, both were at fault. It wasn't even about difference of opinion either, it was the fact that people started to look down at others. Especially the pessimist who were causing fights among members, egging other members on, and being just as arrogant.

The big fight that occurred happened because the pessimist abandoned ship and the optimist wanted to stay on board. We then got riled up because the pessimist started throwing insults like you are doing now in much harsher tone saying that the optimist are arrogant and running on blind faith and not reading the manga. The optimist retaliate and defended themselves because they didn't like being called blind. They didn't like being put down like that and I can understand why. As you should too.

Most of the optimist stayed positive, but still understood the situation. They didn't deny the fact, only tried to reinforce that this chapter should not have wavered as many people as it did. We been through this hundreds of times with the NH fans about how all the facts are stacked in NS favor. Why should this chapter waver us now? And we know the facts and I have pointed them out. You talk about how the optimist were too arrogant and didn't understand the facts, but I saw the pessimist do the same thing. I saw them push all other facts out the window because this chapter wavered them.

We even have some people, I don't even know if they really were pessimist, egging the optimist on and shooting them down no matter what evidence was brought up. No matter what was said, they shot it down without even debating the facts at all. They just put them down just to see the reaction. So who's fault was it? Both. Both sides antagonized each other and caused the war. I am sure there was some optimist who were arrogant, but that didn't mean to retaliate with the same arrogance. That's bad form and not what we NS members really stood for. I understand the situation and why people freaked out, but we lost what really mattered about us as NS fans and the moral of this website.

For that we should all be ashamed.

And Codus, I want you to be aware that the bolded paragraph you typed here is what caused some of those fights in the first place. Sometimes you just got to say "I disagree, but I respect your opinion." You don't need to egg them on, you don't need to call people names like that. Instead of "arrogant," perhaps the better word would have been "overzealous." Because many of the pessimist were overzealous as well and jump ship at just the hint of NH.

All are to blame because we forgot who we were. It wasn't the optimist fault, it wasn't the pessimist fault. It was both. So I blamed both. I even thought about the posts I made before and realized that yes I made the mistake too.

This is not a blame game, my friend. This is me trying to help the members remember who they are and what they represent. We are all NS fans and we all should remember that. We don't need to fight amongst ourselves. We do enough fighting against the NH fans as is.

Oh gosh this is probably old news by now, but I did a small analysis on Sakura's confession on Tumblr. Do you mind if I add this in? Because the way you phrased this was great !

Sure, if you want.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 January 2013 - 08:48 PM.

[Chatte]

Oh gosh this is probably old news by now, but I did a small analysis on Sakura's confession on Tumblr. Do you mind if I add this in? Because the way you phrased this was great !

May I see it?
I love to view different interpretations on that. xd

James you said Sakura knew about what Naruto's answer will be to her confession. Could you say where? I can't remember exactly.
Thanks!

Edited by Chatte, 04 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Here are my theories, from the "NH & SS will be canon" POV:

Why not make NH canon after Hinata's confession:

-Naruto did not know that Hinata was in love with him before Hinata's confession. He had not considered her romantically. The manga needed her confession to put her feelings on the map for Naruto.

-Naruto could not have, after all the years of perfect ignorance about Hinata, suddenly go: "Geewiz, I really love that Hinata!". He needed time to really think about the confession and time to start really seeing Hinata. So what does Kishi do? Give Naruto time to start considering Hinata in romantic light.

Kishi also needed to make it so that Naruto could move on from Sakura so he gave us:

-The summit arc. The disaster with Sakura's confession. This arc really reaffirmed that Sakura still loved Sasuke, and that this was something that Naruto knew perfectly well. One final reaffirmation that Sakura will never be with Naruto, that she has to fake her love to be with Naruto, perhaps? This might be something that Kishi wrote so Naruto can finally move on from Sakura, having realized that Sasuke can try to kill Sakura and she is still in love with him, anyway.

-Now Naruto can finally move on from Sakura. Kishi does it slowly, gradually by simply letting Naruto be apart from Sakura and not reminding the readers about Naruto's love for her for +100 chapters. Naruto also has time to reconsider his feelings for Hinata.

-Current arc: Naruto shows new appreciation for Hinata. Hinata stands next to him, inspiring him, making him feel strong, Naruto takes her hand and acknowledges her support and thanks her. They will fight together.

The next one is really easy:

Why not make SS canon already:

-Sasuke is a major force in the manga and his story is a major part of the entire comic. Kishi has shown that in order for SS to be canon, Sasuke must be redeemed. (Sakura will not join Sasuke on the Dark Side, as seen in the summit arc.) Sasuke's redemption has been set as one of the final arcs. Why resolve one of your biggest plots before the end? What is Kishi going to do once Sasuke's story is done, show the exciting life of Konohamaru?

Kishi also had a chance to make Sakura get over Sasuke. He did not take it. He had a chance to show Hinata let go of her feelings for Naruto. He did not take it. He had a chance to make Sakura be the one to inspire and encourage Naruto. He did not take it. He had a chance to make Naruto hold Sakura's hand. He did not take it. You can come up with your theories about these, I'm sure.

Thoughts about NH and SS:

NH is much easier ship to make canon. Hinata and Naruto are both good, sweet people who have never done anything bad to each other. SS has to overcome the whole "Sasuke on the dark side" plot. NH could be made canon in the next chapter and it would work out. SS needs more work to be made into viable canon pairing. Maybe Kishi resolves NH now, so he can take time to work on SS? NH out of the way, NS to grave, and Kishi is ready to take on Sasuke's redemption and SS.

[PhenixElite]

First of all, while it is fine for everyone to stay positive and optimist, one also needs to have a healthy dose of it. Too much optimism can come back and bite you in the ass. As far as I've been reading in this thread, some optimists are going a bit too far. To be honest, what I'm seeing from the "optimists" in this thread is that they are not hoping rather, they are expecting . Big difference. To me, that reeks of overconfidence if not arrogant.

Mark this: Optimism is never something bad. You can never be too much optimistic nor is it bad in anyway to be too much optimistic.

[Qia]

May I see it?
I love to view different interpretations on that. xd

Here you go

It took me a really long time to come to that decision xD.